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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 21 Febroyarioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 122247238

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 21 Febroyarioy 2008

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" Ayrio stis 10.30, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa parastei sth Boylh, sthn wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opoy qa apanthsei se epikaires erwthseis. Stis 14.00 qa exei synergasia sto Megaro Majimoy me thn Ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs k. Fanh Pallh-Petralia.

" Mia anakoinwsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn: To Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy, exei ws stoxo thn eisagwgh newn tropwn organwshs, dioikhshs kai leitoyrgias twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn me skopo thn anabaqmish ths poiothtas twn yphresiwn pros toys polites kai tis epixeirhseis. Basikh proypoqesh gia thn epityxia toy skopoy aytoy, apotelei h thrhsh kanonwn sth leitoyrgia twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn. Kanones oi opoioi qa diasfalizoyn aysthra th nomimothta kai th diafaneia stis energeies twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn kai qa enisxyoyn thn ajiopistia, thn antikeimenikothta kai to adiablhto twn energeiwn toys. Eidikotera, ston tomea synachs symbasewn agaqwn kai yphresiwn, einai idiaitera shmantikh h efarmogh kanonwn diafaneias. Sto plaisio ayto, to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn ejedwse egkyklio, me thn opoia kaloyntai ola ta ypoyrgeia kai ta epopteyomena apo ayta Nomika Proswpa Dhmosioy Dikaioy na dhmosiopoioyn kai na anartoyn sthn istoselida ths yphresias toys, oles tis symbaseis poy aforoyn sthn promhqeia agaqwn kai yphresiwn. Sto metro den perilambanontai oi akoloyqoi foreis: Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, ws pros tis symbaseis poy exoyn sxesh me qemata dhmosias tajhs kai asfaleias ths xwras h aforoyn thn Eqnikh Yphresia Plhroforiwn. Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, ws pros tis symbaseis poy synartwntai me qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, sxetika me qemata eqnikhs asfaleias kai amynas ths xwras (stratiwtiko yliko h amyntikos ejoplismos). Kai Ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias, Aigaioy kai Nhsiwtikhs Politikhs, ws pros tis symbaseis poy exoyn sxesh me qemata asfaleias twn eqnikwn qalassiwn synorwn.

" Prin apo liges wres, o armodios Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Fwlias edwse synenteyjh Typoy sthn opoia anakoinwse 41 metra, se mia prospaqeia katapolemhshs ths akribeias sthn agora kai exei kanei analytikes anafores se ayta. Qa sas pw mono th qematologia sthn opoia analyontai ayta ta metra: Einai ws pros tis eisagwges proiontwn, ws pros thn agrotikh paragwgh, th biomhxanikh epejergasia kai th metapoihsh, th diakinhsh, thn katanalwsh, thn enhmerwsh toy telikoy katanalwth, tis diypoyrgikes synergasies kai th synergasia toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs me tis Nomarxiakes Aytodioikhseis kai thn Anejarthth Arxh ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy, ths opoias epixeireitai anabaqmish toy stelexiakoy dynamikoy ths.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Gnwrizei h kybernhsh, to Megaro Majimoy, ton komisth toy eggrafoy me thn protash Nimits pros to ``BHMA'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa kanw mia dhlwsh gi` ayto to qema: H kybernhsh katadikazei th diarroh toy eggrafoy Nimits, ap` opoy kai an ayth prohlqe. Kai shmeiwnei oti ayth dysxerainei, opws oloi mporoyn na antilhfqoyn, th diapragmateysh. H kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na proxwrhsei, opws polles fores exoyme dhlwsei, se ayth th dyskolh diapragmateysh me stoxo na katalhjoyme se mia amoibaia apodekth lysh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes eixame kapoies diarroes plhroforiwn gia ta onomata poy proteinei o k. Nimits. Shmera, blepoyme mia allh diarroh apo to keimeno toy k. Nimits. Den exei na kanei me to poia efhmerida einai, kata thn apoch moy toylaxiston. H kybernhsh qa apofasisei na enhmerwsei epishmws kai egkyrws ton ellhniko lao h qa afhsei na enhmerwnetai apo chgmata plhroforiwn kai apo diarroes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh epishmws kai egkyrws enhmerwse ton ellhniko lao, dia twn ekproswpwn toy, dhladh, dia twn arxhgwn twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, opws poly kala gnwrizete.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate kai eseis o idios oti h diarroh ayth dysxerainei th diapragmateytikh diadikasia kai akoysa kai prin ton ekproswpo toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn na leei oti ayto to pragma ofeiletai se aytoys poy den qeloyn na katalhjei h diapragmateysh. Exei, loipon, diataxqei sto eswteriko ths kybernhshs kai malista sta armodia grafeia poy eixan to eggrafo, dhladh, sto Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, ereyna gia na doyn pws egine ayth h diarroh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa yparjei opwsdhpote h apanthsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, sto qema poy me rwtate. H ypoqesh, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, einai mia ypoqesh poy blaptei oysiastika th diapragmateytikh diadikasia.

ROYMELIWTHS: Pws einai dynaton na mh dinete to eggrafo Nimits stoys politikoys arxhgoys kai apla na toys to epideijoyn kai sth synexeia ayto, na filojeneitai shmera se efhmerida; Ektos, dhladh, apo ton k. Basilakh kai to YPEJ, to eggrafo ayto eixe epidoqei kai sto Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To mono poy mporw na epanalabw, einai oti h diarroh aytoy toy eggrafoy, blaptei th diapragmateytikh poreia sto qema ayto, to opoio einai idiaitera shmantiko.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy, an kai hqela na kanw allh erwthsh. Me ton tropo me ton opoio katadikasate kai malista me kathgorhmatiko tropo th diarroh, einai san na deixnete pros kapoia kateyqynsh. Oti apo kapoy dhladh egine h diarroh. Exete kati sygkekrimena ypoch sas prin(den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exoyme tipote perissotero.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to gegonos oti to men Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn afhnei safws na ennohqei oti pisw apo th diarroh einai to Megaro Majimoy. To de Megaro Majimoy katadikazontas epishs thn idia kinhsh, poy egw proswpika qa to dhmosieya sthn ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'', jekaqarizw th qesh moy, den kritikarw to ``BHMA'' dioti to dhmosieyse, kalws epraje, eseis, loipon, deixnete to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Nomizete oti se ayth thn poly krisimh fash poy qa arxisei mia diapragmateysh einai wraio na yparxei ayth h eikona, enas polemos metajy Megaroy Majimoy kai Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai malista gia ena keimeno, to opoio den epidoqhke oyte stoys politikoys arxhgoys xarh ths empisteytikothtas thn opoia ymnhsate xqes, sas qymizw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa kanw dyo parathrhseis, apodexomenos bebaiws oti sto press room mporei na ginetai opoiadhpote erwthsh, akomh kai an ayto apotelei sxolio h ektimhsh toy erwtwntos. Giati, h erwthsh sas, den basizetai se kanena pragmatiko gegonos. H prwth parathrhsh, loipon, einai oti se kamia periptwsh den ``edeije'' kapoios ton opoiadhpote allo. Einai, loipon, mia ayqaireth symperasmatikh diadikasia, sthn opoia odhghqhkate. Den prokyptei, se kamia periptwsh, apo th dhlwsh poy exw kanei egw kai den prokyptei, epishs, se kamia periptwsh apo th dhlwsh poy exei kanei o Ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. H deyterh parathrhsh einai oti eixa polles fores thn eykairia sto parelqon, sta tessera xronia poy hmaste kybernhsh, na anaferw oti qa parakaloysa na mh ginetai anafora -kai se dhmosieymata to exw dei kai malista yparxei kai shmera kapoio dhmosieyma se allo qema- gia diarroes apo to Megaro Majimoy h apo opoydhpote alloy. En pash periptwsei, sto qema poy me rwthsate, ta symperasmata poy bgalate einai entelws ayqaireta.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh exoyme mia diafwnia peri toy esti h enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Eseis lete, oti enhmerwqhkan oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn. Egw, sthn kalyterh periptwsh, ayto to lew oti einai enhmerwsh toy politikoy proswpikoy ths xwras kai oxi toy ellhnikoy laoy. Qa thn diatypwsw alliws thn erwthsh: Skopeyei h kybernhsh, h armodia Ypoyrgos k. Mpakogiannh, na kanei mia synenteyjh Typoy kai na paroysiasei to periexomeno ths protashs, na paroysiasei tis ellhnikes protaseis h qeseis kai na dexqei erwthseis apo toys dhmosiografoys ep` aytoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs, opws gnwrizete -kati to opoio sto parelqon den to eixame dei h en pash periptwsei den to eixame dei oyte syxna, oyte stis taxythtes poy kinhqhke h kybernhsh ayth- egine enhmerwsh twn politikwn arxhgwn, amesws molis o k. Nimits kateqese thn protash toy. Kai shmera to meshmeri ginetai enhmerwsh ths Epitrophs Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn kai Amynas sth Boylh, apo thn k. Mpakogiannh.

ROYMELIWTHS: Xqes, h topoqethsh sas, gia to poso shmantikh einai h empisteytikothta gia na yparjei to kalytero dynato apotelesma gia th xwra, htan kai proeidopoihsh pros kapoioys gi` ayta poy pisteyate oti qa akoloyqhsoyn sth synexeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai h aplh logikh poy nomizw oti ensternizetai kaqe poliths, antilambanomenos thn eyaisqhsia me thn opoia prepei na proseggisei kapoios ta eqnika qemata.

KAKALHS: Symplhrwmatika s` ayto. Epeidh polles fores mexri twra, ypogrammisate to sebasmo ths kybernhshs sthn empisteytikothta ths diadikasias, to erwthma einai ti metra phrate gia na perifroyrhsete ayth thn empisteytikothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete, hdh, synagagei me thn erwthsh sas kai isws kai me erwthseis allwn synadelfwn sas symperasmata. Egw, den speydw na bgalw kanena symperasma...

KAKALHS: Kaqoloy. Kanena symperasma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennow gia to pws egine ayth h diarroh.

KAKALHS: Den einai apo thn kybernhsh ayth h diarroh;

PALAIOLOGOS: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy synadelfoy, mexri xqes, ontws h kybernhsh swsta epikaloyntan th empisteytikothta kai toy keimenoy kai twn diapragmateysewn. Shmera, ayto to, as to legame, kryfo xarti, apwlesqh. Ayth h perifhmh empisteytikothta. Kai nai men, eseis paradexeste oti ayto blaptei th diadikasia, nai men, lete oti qa ginei ereyna kai qa bgei anakoinwsh, epi ths oysias omws, apo th stigmh poy ayto to pragma twra pia bghke sto fws, mporeite na mas peite poies qa einai oi epomenes kinhseis ths kybernhshs ws pros thn oysia, ws pros to periexomeno, pia, ths diapragmateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den paradexomai, aplws, oti blaptei th diadikasia. Einai kati, to opoio exw speysei na to pw apo hmerwn, opws kai h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akribws. Stekomai sta dika sas ta logia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw, einai koinos topos, sth logikh olwn mas ennow. Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, h kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei se ayth th dyskolh diapragmateysh, me stoxo na katalhjoyme se mia amoibaia apodekth lysh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kapoia stigmh h diapragmateysh qa teleiwsei. H kybernhsh qa katalhjei se mia qesh. Eite qa dexqei kati apo tis protaseis Nimits eite qa aporricei. Skopeyei se kapoio stadio ayths ths diadikasias na qesei thn apofash ths ypo thn krish kai thn egkrish toy ellhnikoy laoy me opoiondhpote tropo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka xqes.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, den eipate gia dhmochfisma. Mporei na mhn einai dhmochfisma. Eipa, me opoiondhpote tropo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h idia apanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Oti;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai gia ton opoiondhpote tropo poy lete. Den jerw ti ypainisseste, alla isxyei h apanthsh. H kybernhsh ejelegh gia na diaxeiristei ta qemata, na xeiristei ta qemata poy apasxoloyn toys Ellhnes polites, eite einai qemata eswterikhs politikhs, eite einai eqnika qemata, eite einai qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, eite opoiodhpote allo.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Giannopoylos, milwntas sto radiofwno toy ``ANTENA'' ejefrase thn apoch oti qa ginoyn prowres ekloges logw toy zhthmatos twn Skopiwn. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epimeinw ligo sto qema ths diarrohs. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Prin moy apanthsate oti to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn qa bgalei mia anakoinwsh. Egw, sas rwthsa an qa ginei ereyna synolika sthn kybernhsh sto plaisio ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den sas eipa oti qa ekdwsei anakoinwsh.

GALIATSATOS: Kai epanerxomai sto erwthma moy. Qa ginei ereyna kai sto prwqypoyrgiko grafeio gia to pws egine ayth h diarroh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw! Qewrw thn erwthsh sas ybristikh ws pros to proswpo toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto isxyei, bebaiws, an ginotan antistoixh erwthsh  den einai proswpiko pros esas, gia na mhn parejhghqw- kai gia thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai stelexh ths kybernhshs.

GALIATSATOS: Gia to grafeio milhsa kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh moy einai safhs, mhn parejhghqei. Se kamia periptwsh den einai kaqoloy proswpikes oi erwthseis kai oi apanthseis.

GALIATSATOS: Sto idio, gia na kleisoyme ayto to qema. To PASOK me shmerinh anakoinwsh toy -epeidh eipate oti o k. Kakalhs bgazei symperasmata, ta bgazoyn ki alloi ayta ta symperasmata- milaei loipon o k. Mpegliths gia ena sobaro zhthma entimothtas gia thn kybernhsh kai to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Epishmainei oti xqes, sthn synanthsh poy egine me toys politikoys arxhgoys h k. Mpakogiannh edeije to eggrafo pros anagnwsh, alla to phre pisw, epikaloymenh thn empisteytikothta. Se ayto ti apantate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti ap` ola osa exoyme pei aytes tis hmeres, h apanthsh einai dedomenh. Bebaiws kai h empisteytikothta einai ekeinh h opoia qa bohqhsei th diapragmateysh. Bebaiws kai h diarroh dhmioyrgei problhma.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate arketes fores shmera oti h diarroh toy eggrafoy blaptei th diapragmateytikh diadikasia. Giati kai me poio tropo th blaptei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xreiazetai na pw perissotera.

KORAH: Apo th stigmh poy to sygkekrimeno keimeno pleon einai gnwsto, h protash Nimits, skeftetai h kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos, na sygkalesei Koinoboyleytikh Omada na enhmerwsei kai toys boyleytes, peran twn ypoyrgwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H diadikasia h opoia exei akoloyqhqei einai gnwsth mexri stigmhs. Dhladh, enhmerwqhke xqes h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. H kybernhsh meleta kai qa katalhjei syntoma stis epishmanseis kai tis parathrhseis poy exei na kanei ws pros thn protash toy k. Nimits kai qa kataqesei aytes tis epishmanseis ston k. Nimits.

KORAH: To lew, dioti yparxoyn boyleytes kai apo xqes kai xwris na exei ginei gnwsth h sygkekrimenh protash Nimits, p.x. o k. Orfanos apo th Qessalonikh, o boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias, o opoios eipe oti emeis pantws den qa dexqoyme thn onomasia ``Makedonia''. H protash Nimits anaferetai mono sthn onomasia ``Makedonia''. Ayto sas problhmatizei gia tis antidraseis poy mporei na exete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mia parathrhsh mono: Oti den anaferetai mono sthn onomasia. Alla, en pash periptwsei, o kaqenas mporei na parakoloyqei to qema.

KORAH: Sygnwmh na to dieykrinisw, se oti afora tis proteinomenes onomasies...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na kanw mia genikh dhlwsh, h opoia leei to ejhs: H protash exei shmeia ta opoia den mporei na ginoyn apodekta, ws exoyn. Yparxoyn alla shmeia ta opoia xrhzoyn aposafhnisews. Kai alla shmeia poy kat` arxas qa mporoysan na ginoyn dekta ypo orismenes proypoqeseis. Den mporw na pw tipote perissotero kai den qa pw tipote perissotero.

ROYMELIWTHS: Yparxei, dhladh, akomh kai to endexomeno anoixto; Protiqetai h kybernhsh na apempolhsei to dikaiwma na xrhsimopoiei apokleistika to onoma ``Makedonia'' h ``Makedonikh''; Dhladh, yparxei to endexomeno allaghs onomatos toy aerodromioy Makedonia h toy Panepisthmioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den isxyei kati tetoio poy lete. Den jerw pws ejagete ayto to symperasma.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den jerw an exoyme kleisei me to qema ayto -bebaiws den kleinei ayto to qema- alla shmera yparxei ena prwtoselido, sygkekrimena ths efhmeridas ``TA NEA'', to opoio anaferetai sthn ypoqesh ths Siemens. Symfwna me ta osa leei, o epikefalhs ths eisaggelias toy Monaxoy yposthrizei oti ta stoixeia exoyn fqasei sthn ellhnikh Politeia, stis ellhnikes arxes, sta telh toy 2006 kai oti apo tote, sthn oysia, h kybernhsh qa mporoyse kallista an eixe kinhsei egkaira tis diadikasies na plhroforhqei gia to poioi enexontai sthn ypoqesh ``ladwmatos'', na to pw etsi xontra. Giati h kybernhsh, an qewrhsoyme toys isxyrismoys toy k. Zomerfelnt ws alhqh, den endiaferqhke na plhroforhqei gi` ayto to zhthma poy opws fainetai twra ejelissetai se mia krisimh politikh ypoqesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na sas pw, loipon, to xroniko twn energeiwn toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs gi` ayth thn ypoqesh: Ta aithmata dikastikhs syndromhs -opws me enhmerwnei to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs- diabibasthkan apo ton armodio eisaggelea sto ypoyrgeio stis 7 Dekembrioy 2006. H armodia dieyqynsh toy ypoyrgeioy diabibase ta aithmata ayta pros ton eisaggelea Bernhs kai ton eisaggelea toy Monaxoy stis 14 Dekembrioy 2006, afoy prwta ta eixe steilei gia metafrash sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, opws ginetai panta me ta dhmosia eggrafa. To prwto aithma dikastikhs syndromhs ikanopoihqhke me to apo 11 Maioy 2007 eggrafo ths germanikhs Dikaiosynhs. To eggrafo ayto eishlqe sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs stis 18 Ioynioy 2007. Sth synexeia, to germaniko keimeno apostelletai gia thn anagkaia metafrash sto YPEJ stis 4 Ioylioy 2007. Apo to YPEJ epestrafhsan 186 selides epishmhs metafrashs stis 7 Aygoystoy 2007. Stis 31 Aygoystoy 2007 to ypoyrgeio stelnei ta sxetika eggrafa ston eisaggelea Efetwn Aqhnwn. Stis 30 Ianoyarioy 2008 o eisaggeleas epanerxetai zhtwntas nea symplhrwmatika stoixeia me neo aithma dikastikhs syndromhs poy diabibasthke sto Monaxo stis 5 Febroyarioy 2008. Parallhla, stis 6 Febroyarioy 2008 diabibasthke stis elbetikes arxes to apo 1hs Febroyarioy 2008 aithma ths Eisaggelias Prwtodikwn Aqhnwn me to opoio dhlwnetai oti zhteitai h ektelesh toy arxikoy aithmatos dikastikhs syndromhs kai h proqesh metabashs eisaggelikwn leitoyrgwn poy xeirizontai thn ypoqesh gia apeyqeias enhmerwsh epi twn dikografiwn. Stis 12 Febroyarioy 2008 perihlqe sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs to apo 11 Febroyarioy 2008 aithma dikastikhs syndromhs toy idioy eisaggelea Prwtodikwn pros tis dikastikes arxes ths Germanias gia amesh metabash sto Monaxo, tis epomenes hmeres, eisaggelikwn leitoyrgwn gia th gnwsh ths dikografias kai energeia anakritikwn prajewn kai prowqeitai amesws. Oi hmeromhnies paramonhs sth Germania einai oi hmeres poy dierxomaste. Ta osa exoyn anagrafei se diafora kata kairoys dhmosieymata gia elbetika empodia kai germanikes apories den aphxoyn thn pragmatikothta. Oi dieqneis symfwnies epilyoyn kaqe eidoys amfisbhthsh kai aporia kai desmeyoyn tis symballomenes xwres. Allwste, h apofasisqeisa apo tis eisaggelikes arxes epi topoy metabash stis xwres Elbetia kai Germania stoxeyei sthn amesh epilysh toy opoioydhpote hqele prokycei dikonomikoy zhthmatos. Hdh, exei epilhfqei h armodia dieyqynsh dikastikwn leitoyrgwn, prokeimenoy na parasxei tis deoyses dieykolynseis stoys treis eisaggeleis oi opoioi metabainoyn se aytes tis dyo xwres, isws de hdh exoyn metabei aytes tis hmeres, se ayto kratw mia epifylajh, den eimai bebaios. O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, prokeimenoy na lamcei grhgora h alhqeia, askhse to dikaiwma poy toy parexei o Kwdikas Poinikhs Dikonomias pros ton k. Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy gia thn kat` apolyth proteraiothta diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs symfwna me to arqro 30 par. 3.

Ayth einai h analytikh enhmerwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, poy nomizw oti apodeiknyei pws h ypoqesh ayth se kamia twn periptwsewn den afeqhke sthn tyxh ths.

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto poy leei o germanos dikastikos kai poy einai kai aporia nomizw kai twn Ellhnwn einai giati oi ellhnikes dikastikes arxes, oi Ellhnes eisaggeleis den kalesan toys Ellhnes ypeyqynoys ths Siemens Hellas prokeimenoy na kataqesoyn gia to ean edinan mizes, poy tis edinan k.o.k. Ayto einai to erwthma kai mexri stigmhs, apo o,ti jerw, oi dyo ypeyqynoi ths Siemens Hellas den exoyn klhqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ws Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs gnwrizete oti qa sas apanthsw  kai apanthsa, hdh, analytika- gia tis energeies poy exoyn ginei apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Kata ta loipa, den ypeiserxomai se kanenos eidoys sxoliasmo gia tis energeies ths idias ths Dikaiosynhs, giati eimai bebaios oti leitoyrgei me toys tropoys poy ekeinh krinei skopimoys.

GKOYTZANHS: Ektos apo ena shmeio, ean epitrepete. Oti h entolh gia thn katepeigoysa ejetash qa mporoyse na exei doqei nwritera etsi wste oi Ellhnes eisaggeleis na kinhqoyn sto eswteriko ths xwras kai oxi mono zhtwntas dikastikh syndromh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti to symperasma to opoio synagete den einai swsto, afoy sas diabasa mia seira apo energeies poy eginan entos ths xwras mas gia to qema ayto kai malista me poly sygkekrimenes hmeromhnies.

GALIATSATOS: Mas eipate prohgoymenws oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me thn k. Petralia thn Paraskeyh. Shmainei ayto oti qa prepei na perimenoyme to asfalistiko nomosxedio sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph ths Triths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na anakoinwsw kati. Gnwrizete poly kala oti thn atzenta ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs thn anakoinwnoyme mia hmera nwritera.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto Skopiano. Epanalabate prohgoymenws oti stoxos ths kybernhshs einai h amoibaia apodekth lysh. Mexri twra hjera oti h qesh ths kybernhshs htan gia mia synqeth kai enanti olwn -na to pw etsi- onomasia. Ayto, oti twra den to epanalambanete kai milate genikws gia amoibaia apodekth lysh, parapempei oti h kybernhsh exei prosxwrhsei sth diplh onomasia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den epanalambanw polla pragmata xarin oikonomias xronoy. O Prwqypoyrgos exei kanei dhlwseis, h ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn exei kanei dhlwseis polles fores kai se synenteyjeis kai sth Boylh. Isxyoyn ola osa exoyme pei.

KAKALHS: Exei shmasia oti den to epanalambanete meta th dhmosiopoihsh toy eggrafoy Nimits, to opoio einai protash gia diplh onomasia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa eixe shmasia ean apantoysa diaforetika sthn erwthsh sas. Otan sas apantw oti exoyn ginei safeis dhlwseis apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, thn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, ton Ekproswpo toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, antilambanetai kapoios oti den mporei na ejagei allo symperasma apo ayto poy lew.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sthn ypoqesh ths Siemens. Giati apo mia grhgorh, estw proxeirh katagrafh twn hmeromhniwn, prokyptei -an moy epitrepete- h krish kwlysiergia ek meroys twn ellhnikwn dikastikwn arxwn. Edw toylaxiston, an einai alhqh ayta poy ferontai na exei pei mesa se eisagwgika o epikefalhs ths eisaggelias Monaxoy, einai oti ``apo ta telh toy 2006 emeis eixame dwsei ola ta stoixeia stis ellhnikes arxes. Apo ekei kai pera, to pws kinhqhkan oi dikastikes arxes einai diko toys zhthma''. Apo ayto synagetai oti edw ontws yparxei oligwria sto na kalesoyn toys Ellhnes ekproswpoys ths Siemens.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa kanw dyo parathrhseis: Prwton, apanthsa hdh se antistoixo erwthma. Deyteron, nomizw oti den tairiazei na xrhsimopoiei kapoios baries ekfraseis gia thn ellhnikh Dikaiosynh. Milhsate gia ``kwlysiergia'' poy den einai toso baria ekfrash, alla milhsate kai gia ``oligwria'' poy einai baria ekfrash. Nomizw oti den exete logo na to kanete ayto.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh aporriptei kapoia h kapoies apo tis pente proteinomenes onomasies toy k. Nimits;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambaneste oti se kamia periptwsh den prokeitai na mpw se leptomereies sth syzhthsh. Exei kalyfqei genika h apanthsh sas me ta osa eipa nwritera sxetika me to oti h kybernhsh meleta kai qa kataqesei tis apoceis ths.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh qa enhmerwsei thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias kai thn Kentrikh Epitroph se kapoia fash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw ypoch moy kati tetoio. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh me th deoysa sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta xeirizetai to qema. H diadikasia einai gnwsth se oloys: Dhladh, kataqetoyme tis protaseis kai tis parathrhseis poy exoyme ston k. Nimits kai perimenoyme na doyme thn antapokrish poy qa yparxei, ennoeitai kai apo thn pleyra pros ton k. Nimits.

KORAH: Yparxei mia eikona gia to pote qa einai etoimh h kybernhsh na kataqesei tis protaseis ths me bash to keimeno Nimits;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa prohgoymenws ``syntoma''. Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Meta th shmerinh dhmosiopoihsh twn protasewn Nimits h kybernhsh antimetwpizei to endexomeno na yparjoyn to trexon 15nqhmero ojyteres eswterikes antidraseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa kati -na mhn to epanalabw- gia ta shmeia poy exei h protash. Nomizw oti ayto apanta. Se kaqe periptwsh, h ojythta den bohqa se ena eqniko qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xwris na amfisbhtw th sobarothta kai thn ypeyqynothta poy epikalesthkate kai me thn opoia xeirizetai h kybernhsh to qema ths onomasias twn Skopiwn, qa moy epitrecete na rwthsw gi` ayto to meizon zhthma: Qa xreiastei h sygklish toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy; Qa enhmerwqei kai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia tis apofaseis ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei se diafora sxetika erwthmata. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero gi` ayto poy me rwtate.

Sas eyxaristw.

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