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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 10 Dekembrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 110249841

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 10 Dekembrioy 2007

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" Ayrio, stis 11.00, synedriazei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, sto Megaro Majimoy, me qemata Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs.

" To Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, sto plaisio ths merimnas gia th diamorfwsh eynoikoterwn proypoqesewn apasxolhshs twn Atomwn me Anaphries kai anagnwrizontas tis idiaiteres dyskolies poy antimetwpizoyn sthn ekmaqhsh mias jenhs glwssas, opws epishs kai tis dysxereies poy synantoyn sthn prospaqeia toys gia epaggelmatikh apokatastash, ejedwse egkyklio, apeyqynomenh sta ypoyrgeia, tis perifereies, tis nomarxiakes aytodioikhseis kai toys dhmoys ... tis koinothtes, symfwna me thn opoia, otan h gnwsh jenhs glwssas den epiballetai apo eidikh diatajh ws prosqeto proson diorismoy, den qa prepei pleon oi oikeioi foreis na thn problepoyn gia ta Atoma me Anaphries ws prosqeto proson stis prokhryjeis diorismoy prostateyomenwn proswpwn toy N. 2643/1998.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h efhmerida ``TO PRWTO QEMA'' filojenhse dhmosieyma, symfwna me to opoio o Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Basilhs Magginas emfanizetai na apasxolei sthn ejoxikh toy katoikia treis oikonomikoys metanastes, stoys opoioys den kataballei asfalistra. Qa hqela, sas parakalw, na moy peite, an h kybernhsh exei diereynhsei ayto to reportaz kai ti apanta sxetika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta pragmata den einai kaqoloy etsi, opws prokyptei kai apo analytikh anakoinwsh, poy ekane prin apo ligh wra o idios o k. Magginas kai thn opoia, an den exete diabasei, qa th diabasete kai qa parete apanthseis se ola ta qemata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh tyxainei kai thn jerw thn anakoinwsh toy k. Maggina, kat` arxhn, dyo erwthseis: To ena, gia poio logo kaqysterhse na eipwqei, kaqoti exei perasei ena dihmero, ena 48wro apo thn wra poy anakinhqhke to qema kai deytero, an syntrexei logos hqikhs tajews gia ton k. Maggina.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto men prwto erwthma, den mporw na sas dwsw kamia apanthsh, giati ean apantoysa to Sabbato, qa moy legate ``giati biasthke'', ean apantoysa thn Kyriakh, den jerw ti allo qa legate. En pash periptwsei, apanthse o k. Magginas kai ayto exei megalh shmasia. Apanthse me epixeirhmata, ta opoia  nomizw- an ta diabasei kaqe kaloproairetos den qa exei peraiterw erwthseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Twra, den syntrexei, dhladh, kanenas logos hqikhs tajews gia ton k. Maggina.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Synagetai, bebaiws, apo thn prwth moy apanthsh.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, dhladh, einai filanqrwpos o k. Magginas; Paraxwrei to spiti toy, dwrean, se allodapoys gia na toy fylane to spiti;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn eirwnikh sas erwthsh, den qa apanthsw.

KORAH: Giati kanete ayto to sxolio; Den eixa kamia proqesh eirwneias, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalws, to dexomai.

KORAH: Me prosballete... Eyxaristw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: De sas prosballw egw, nomizw oti eseis prosballete ton k. Maggina me th diatypwsh ths erwthshs sas. Kai th filanqrwpia en genei. Den einai kako na einai kaneis filanqrwpos.

KORAH: Giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabaste prwta thn anakoinwsh.

KORAH: Thn exw diabasei kai asxoloymai kai apo xqes me to idio qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalws.

KORAH: Kai einai o Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs o k. Magginas, kyrie Ekproswpe. Kai ayth th stigmh, yparxoyn treis allodapoi oi opoioi mpainobgainoyn sto kthma toy. Apo filanqrwpia mpainobgainoyn; Den yparxoyn eyloga erwthmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai safes apo ayta poy lete oti den exete diabasei thn anakoinwsh toy.

GKOYTZANHS: O k. Magginas exei epikoinwnhsei me ton Prwqypoyrgo; Toy edwse ejhghseis gi` ayth thn ypoqesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na exei yparjei epikoinwnia me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Alla, ayta poy leei o k. Magginas, an me rwtate ws Ekproswpo ths kybernhshs, krinontai apolytws ikanopoihtika.

SARANTAKOS: Thn apoch poy diatypwse o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Zagoriths, oti einai aytonohto oti prepei oi ergazomenoi na einai asfalismenoi, oikonomikoi metanastes h mh, th symmerizeste;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta aytonohta den xreiazetai na ta leme.

KAKALHS: Mhpws to paradeigma toy k. Maggina ejhgei me poly parastatiko tropo giati h kybernhsh afhnei sto apyroblhto ths ``asfalistikhs metarryqmishs'' to qema ths eisforodiafyghs; Giati dhladh, enw ypotiqetai oti exei stoxo th lysh toy Asfalistikoy kata tropo biwsimo klp, omws den exei aggijei kan to qema ths eisforodiafyghs, to opoio einai 5,8 dis to xrono kai an to antimetwpize, qa elyne to problhma toy Asfalistikoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Toylaxiston dyo fores, gia na mhn pw kai perissoteres, exw apanthsei se sxetikh erwthsh, sto press room. Den allazei tipote apo ayta poy exw pei.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh h dhlwsh toy k. Maggina egine prin apo ligo, qa hqela gia thn oikonomia ths diadikasias na mas peite ton pyrhna ths epixeirhmatologias poy ypoqetw oti gnwrizete, gia na mporoyme kai emeis na sas rwthsoyme parapera. Ayto einai to prwto. To deytero: Qa hqela na rwthsw, me aformh th syzhthsh me thn k. Korah, an nomizete oti o armodios gia thn koinwnikh asfalish ypoyrgos, prepei na dinei ton tono sth filanqrwpia kai oxi stis koinwnikes diadikasies kai stoys nomoys oi opoioi diepoyn ayta ta zhthmata. Alla, proexei h prwth erwthsh, na jeroyme ti akribws leei, gia na mporoyme na sas rwthsoyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H deyterh erwthsh ejagetai ws symperasma apo to oti, opws eipate kai eseis, den exete prolabei na anagnwsete th dhlwsh toy.

KYRITSHS: Dikaiwnei thn prwth erwthsh, h deyterh, nomizw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejartatai, ti shmainei ``dikaiwnei''.

KYRITSHS: Peite mas, ti leei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa th diabasete. Dhmosieyqhke...

KYRITSHS: Pws qa sas rwthsw omws meta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa rwthsete ayrio, loipon, h argotera.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla se alles eykairies diabazete ektenws oloklhra apospasmata apo anakoinwseis poy eixan prohghqei. Twra, qelete na apofygete tyxon enoxlhtikes...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Krateitai h parathrhsh sas. Kai ayrio edw qa eimaste.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh qewrei oti o Ypoyrgos Ergasias exei stoxopoihqei apo dhmosiografoys logw twn eperxomenwn metarryqmisewn sto asfalistiko systhma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti den qa jekinhse aifnhs mia ereyna, entos h ektos eisagwgikwn, gia ton k. Maggina...

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, katagomai apo ena xwrio ejw apo thn Kyparissia, poy einai kata bash agrotiko xwrio. Yparxoyn para-para polloi anqrwpoi ekei poy xrhsimopoioyn allodapoys, toys paraxwroyn kapoia katalymata (den akoygetai) kai gia episkeyes to xeimwna kai gia ta opwrokhpeytika to kalokairi. Syxna-pykna exoyn polla problhmata me to qema ths asfalishs toys. Na toys diabibasoyme oti h kybernhsh kai dh o Ypoyrgos Ergasias diabibazei ena mhnyma se aytoys toys anqrwpoys (den akoygetai);

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to opoio lete qa isxye, ean den yphrxe apanthsh sthn anakoinwsh toy k. Maggina, h opoia, safws, dieykrinizei oti den yparxei sxesh ergasias me th sygkekrimenh oikogeneia. Ayto poy lete, loipon, einai se mia allh ypoqesh, se ena allo qema. O k. Magginas ayto dieykrinizei, oti den yparxei kamia sxesh ergasias, den yparxei kamia ejarthsh yphresias gia toys sygkekrimenoys anqrwpoys. Diabaste, parakalw, th dhlwsh toy. Nomizw oti qa parete polles apanthseis.

ROYMELIWTHS: Thn Tetarth einai programmatismenes oi kinhtopoihseis twn ergazomenwn gia to Asfalistiko. Se o,ti afora ta metra gia tis poreies, oi kameres qa deijoyn, qa gracoyn tis poreies aytes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti problepetai apo toys nomoys.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta to qorybo poy exei proklhqei gia ton k. Maggina me tis dyo ypoqeseis, th mia ths korhs toy kai thn allh me ayth thn ypoqesh gia to Asfalistiko, fronei h kybernhsh oti o k. Magginas exei thn ajiopistia kai to kyros gia na proxwrhsei mia toso megalh metarryqmish, opws to Asfalistiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai.

SARANTAKOS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh sthn apanthsh poy dwsate sto synadelfo, prin apo ligo: Blepete, eipate, kapoio kinhtro pisw apo tis apokalyceis poy yparxoyn gia ton k. Maggina, eite se o,ti afora thn korh toy, eite se o,ti afora to qema me toys oikonomikoys metanastes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na dwsete opoia ermhneia qelete. Egw apanthsa sthn erwthsh.

SARANTAKOS: Den moy to dieykrinizete twra, gia na mh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na dwsete opoia ermhneia eseis nomizete.

KAKALHS: Apo ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws, oti o k. Magginas dhlwnei oti den yparxei sxesh ergasias, kamia ejarthsh yphresiwn klp, ayto einai mia kalh dikaiologia thn opoia proballei malista o armodios ypoyrgos gia na isxyei se oles tis periptwseis poy apasxoloyntai oikonomikoi metanastes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H bebaiothta sas, pws prokyptei, alhqeia;

KAKALHS: Prokyptei apo ayto poy leei o ypoyrgos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, sygnwmh, prokyptei apo ayto poy diabasate, apo dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas, thn Kyriakh.

KAKALHS: Malista.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Den prepei na diabasete kai thn allh apoch;

KAKALHS: Safws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den einai basikos kanonas na diabazoyme kai thn allh apoch;

KAKALHS: Ena apospasma poy sas afora...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exete diabasei kai thn allh apoch; Pws odhgeiste se symperasmata;

KAKALHS: Ma, eseis dwsate apanthseis me bash ayto, me bash thn apanthsh (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw sas eipa oti o k. Magginas exei kanei mia arketa ektenh, analytikh anakoinwsh h opoia dinei apanthseis se ola ta qemata.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla twra epilejate na peite ayto, omws, sygkekrimena eseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh, yparxei;

ROYMELIWTHS: H symmetoxh, ta apotelesmata twn apergiakwn kinhtopoihsewn poy koryfwnontai thn Tetarth, endexomenws, qa ephreasoyn thn kybernhsh sta epomena bhmata ths gia tis allages sto Asfalistiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh ephreazetai apo tis apoceis, otan aytes katatiqentai sto dialogo.

GKOYTZANHS: Otan kapoioi anqrwpoi katebainoyn sto dromo den einai kai aytos enas tropos na ekfrasoyn kapoies apoceis h mia antidrash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti akoyme tis apoceis. Allwste, den einai kati kainoyrgio, to exoyme pei kai alles fores: Akoyme tis apoceis -o dialogos einai akomh anoiktos, den exei kleisei- gia na diamorfwqei to teliko keimeno toy nomosxedioy.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge, sthn periptwsh toy Asfalistikoy, oi dhmoskophseis kai ta symperasmata toys mporei na apoteloyn xrhsimo ergaleio gia thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantote einai xrhsimo ergaleio.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh ephreazetai apo tis apoceis poy akoygontai sto dialogo. Dhladh, den sas arkei poy qa ginei mia panergatikh apergia thn Tetarth, qelete na katebainoyn diarkws sto dromo gia na katalabete thn antiqesh ths koinwnias apenanti sth metarryqmish ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An ayto eseis ennoeite ws dialogo, exoyme mia allh apoch gia to ti einai dialogos.

KAKALHS: Pantws, den ennow dialogo na kaqomai sto krebati toy Prokroysth, giati asfalistika dikaiwmata qa afaireqoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Palaiologe.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh eipate oti h kybernhsh ephreazetai apo tis apoceis poy katatiqentai sto dialogo, na symperanw to idio isxyei kai sthn periptwsh ths Olympiakhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan yparxei anoiktos dialogos gia ena qema, nai. Otan yparxei ena problhma, to opoio gnwrizoyme oloi oti prepei na lyqei me sygkekrimenoys tropoys, kaqe idea einai eyprosdekth. Se kaqe periptwsh, prepei na lyqei kai ayto to problhma.

KORAH: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia th genikh apergia ths Tetarths. H kybernhsh qa parei ta mhnymata, k. Ypoyrge; Qa ta metrhsei h anejarthta apo ta mhnymata poy qa steilei h diadhlwsh kai h genikh apergia, anejarthta apo ayto h kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei anypoxwrhth stis epiloges poy exei kanei mexri twra, eite sto Asfalistiko, eite sthn Olympiakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H monh epilogh sthn opoia eimaste anypoxwrhtoi einai na kanoyme dialogo gia to megalo ayto qema, ton opoio kai exoyme anoijei, opws gnwrizete. Opoios, loipon, symmetexei se ayto to dialogo, dinei th dikh toy pleyra. Yparxoyn polles piqanothtes na akoystoyn endiaferonta pragmata apo oles tis pleyres. Pragmata ta opoia na einai shmantika, na bohqhsoyn sto na allajei to asfalistiko mas systhma epi ta beltiw. Se ayto, loipon, h kybernhsh paramenei staqerh, opws paremeine staqerh kai ston antistoixo dialogo poy egine gia thn Paideia kai gia mia seira allwn qematwn.

TSIOYFOS: Sto dialogo ayto entassete mono th syzhthsh poy egine sto plaisio ths Epitrophs sth Boylh h sto dialogo entassontai kai oi epafes poy ekane o k. Magginas ektos Boylhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola metrane. Bebaiws, to typiko kai to oysiwdes einai ayto poy ginetai sth Boylh.

TSIOYFOS: To rwtw, giati thn perasmenh ebdomada o anaplhrwths sas eipe oti sth Boylh ginetai o dialogos kai oi ypoloipes synanthseis einai aplws antallagh apocewn. Qewrw oti kai stis synanthseis aytes yphrjan protaseis. Aytes tis protaseis tis lambanei ypoch ths h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oytws h allws, oi foreis me toys opoioys synanthqhke o k. Magginas, an den me apata h mnhmh moy, symmetexoyn kai sto dialogo. Kata synepeia, oi apoceis poy exoyn katateqei sth mia periptwsh, dhladh stis kat` idian syzhthseis  oso kat` idian mporei na einai, giati einai synanthsh enos ypoyrgoy me toys synergates toy kai enos dioikhtikoy symboylioy Enwsews apo thn allh- exoyn katateqei sto plaisio toy dialogoy sthn Epitroph apo tis idies tis Enwseis. Nomizw oti kai oi Enwseis aytes poy episkefqhke, symmetexoyn sto dialogo.

ROYMELIWTHS: Polloi isxyrizontai k. Ekproswpe oti h ryqmish toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias gia ton OTE den mporei na staqei sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai oti isws odhghsei thn kybernhsh se mia analogh ypoqesh san ayth toy basikoy metoxoy. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei kanei mia qesmikh parembash, dieykrinizontas toys kanones apokratikopoihshs twn etaireiwn poy diaxeirizontai diktya. Sas qymizw oti, symfwna me th qesmikh parembash, gia na perasei kapoios th symmetoxh toy 20% apo mia antistoixh etaireia poy diaxeirizetai diktya, xreiazetai na exei prohgoymenws thn egkrish ths Epitrophs Apokratikopoihsewn. Ayth einai h parembash ths kybernhshs. Apo ekei kai pera, den mporw na sxoliasw toys diaforoys isxyrismoys poy akoygontai.

GKOYTZANHS: Prospaqw na katalabw th qesh ths kybernhshs gia thn istoria me ton k. Maggina. Polloi ej hmwn kai egw, exoyme kapoia allodaph h opoia kaqarizei to spiti. Fantazomai kai eseis. An erqei kapoios elegxos, eite apo to Ypoyrgeio Ergasias, eite apo to IKA kai toy pw oti apla thn filojenw, eimai kalymmenos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei shmasia to ti akribws kanei o kaqenas. Sas epanalambanw oti yparxei mia apanthsh toy k. Maggina, h opoia einai analytikh kai an th diabasete, nomizw oti den qa exete aytes tis apories. An para tayta tis exete, poly eyxaristws na sas apanthsw.

SARANTAKOS: Gia to qema ths Olympiakhs hqela na sas rwthsw. An eseis exete katalabei poio montelo qa akoloyqhsei h kybernhsh. Akoyme koryfaio ypoyrgo, meta to KYSEA, an den kanw laqos, na mila gia to montelo Sabena.. Ton k. Xatzhdakh na milaei thn Paraskeyh sth Boylh gia to montelo EL AL. Xqes, se synenteyjh toy, o k. Xatzhdakhs epanaferei to montelo Sabena. Ti akribws qa ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Emeis qeloyme ena apotelesmatiko montelo. Ayto einai poy anazhta h kybernhsh sth diaboyleysh poy kanei, toso me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, oso fysika kai lambanontas ypoch ths tis apoceis twn ergazomenwn.

SARANTAKOS: Fantazomai, sygnwmh dieykrinistika, to anazhteite akoma. Den to exete brei poio einai ayto to montelo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia seira apo leptomereies se tetoia megala qemata, oi opoies xreiazontai poly xrono gia na breqoyn. Basika qemata exoyn anaferqei apo ton k. Xatzhdakh se pleiada synenteyjewn tis opoies exei dwsei. Kai nomizw oti me arketa dieykrinistiko tropo exei orisei to topio twn epomenwn mhnwn. Wstoso, den mporei na einai bebaio oti mesa se liges ebdomades h liges hmeres qa exoyn lyqei oles ekeines oi leptomereies, texnikes h mh, poy apaitoyntai gia na lyqei ena zhthma toso megalo, opws einai ayto ths Olympiakhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia thn Olympiakh. Epeidh akoygontai diafores protaseis apo eidikoys kai armodioys, apo ton k. Mparo shmera ston ``Eleyqero Typo'', apo ton kyrio Sabena proxqes sta ``NEA'', wstoso oi apoceis aytes einai antifatikes. Dhladh, polloi apo aytoys qewroyn oti oyte to ena montelo einai prosforo, to montelo ths Sabena, oyte to montelo ths EL AL einai prosforo, to opoio malista epikalesthke dhmosiws o k. Xatzhdakhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti emeis qeloyme ena apotelesmatiko montelo. Mias kai eipate gia th Sabena. H Sabena aifnhs ekleise gia enamish mhna. Den einai ayth h epidiwjh mas. Lew ena paradeigma: Yparxei mia seira apo zhthmata, ta opoia den metriwntai sta daxtyla toy enos xerioy, alla einai xiliades zhthmata poy egeirontai, allote ws problhmata, ws erwthmata, ws ypoqeseis h proypoqeseis, gia mia toso synqeth ypoqesh.

KAKALHS: Sto qema ths Olympiakhs, eipate oti qelete ena apotelesmatiko montelo, alla taytoxrona exete pei  kai o ypoyrgos nomizw to exei pei polles fores- oti h kybernhsh epidiwkei mia lysh symbath me to koinotiko dikaio. O armodios Epitropos, omws, jekaqarizei oti afenos prepei na einai mia lysh typoy Sabena kai afeteroy koniortopoiei tis diabebaiwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy exei dwsei gia thn tyxh twn ergazomenwn, thn kalych twn nhsiwn k.t.l. Apo ola ayta prokyptei, apo th synenteyjh poy exei dwsei shmera, oti den isxyei kamia apo aytes tis diabebaiwseis. Pws loipon qa proxwrhsei h kybernhsh kontra ston Epitropo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwto qema, exei anaferqei mia seira apo zhthmata, opws einai h eqeloysia ejodos. Deytero qema, opws einai oi metatajeis. Trito qema, opws einai oi aporrofhseis sth nea etaireia. Tetarto qema, opws einai to zhthma twn symbasioyxwn kai h antimetwpish toy. Akoma kai sto zhthma twn ergazomenwn, loipon, blepei kapoios oti den einai mia ypoqesh poy ejantleitai se ena zhthma, se ena qema. Oi ergazomenoi, ws genikos titlos, nai. Alla, allh einai h tyxh toy ergazomenoy o opoios qa epiqymhsei na fygei me thn eqeloysia ejodo, allh aytoy o opoios qa metatagei kai allh aytoy poy qa paei sth nea etaireia.

KAKALHS: Ayto to lete shmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai xqes, ayto elega.

KAKALHS: Mexri xqes, legate oti kanenas ergazomenos den qa xasei th qesh toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An diabasete tis dhlwseis moy apo to 2005 kai meta gia to qema, qa deite oti einai oi idies.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera to prwi, o boyleyths toy kybernwntos kommatos k. Miltiadhs Barbitsiwths, milwntas sto radiofwno toy ``Aqhna 9,84'' eipe oti sto qema toy asfalistikoy, an exei mia eyqynh h kybernhsh, einai oti den exei kataqesei to sxedio ths, oloklhrwmeno kai plhres sxedio gia tis proqeseis ths. Ean den exoyn peistei oi idioi oi boyleytes sas oti diaqetete tetoio sxedio h den to jeroyn, tote pws na peistoyme emeis oti sto dialogo poy kanete, exete kataqesei to sxedio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti h apanthsh poy edwsa nwritera kalyptei kai ayto to erwthma.

ROYMELIWTHS: Qa zhthsete dieykriniseis apo ton k. Alabano; Prin apo ligo ekane mia dhlwsh sthn opoia zhthse apo thn kybernhsh na kataqesei momfh kata toy k. Mparo gia endexomeno xrhmatismo. Einai mia poly sobarh kataggelia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh toy arxhgoy toy SYRIZA, opote den mporw na kanw antistoixo sxoliasmo.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, omws, o k. Mparo, me th synenteyjh toy shmera ston ``Eleyqero Typo'' afhnei kai aixmes kata toy prokatoxoy toy k. Xatzhdakh, dhladh toy k. Liaph, oti den htan h synergasia ayth poy qa hqele h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kanena sxolio. Sas eipa, hdh, pws o,ti eixe na pei h kybernhsh gia to qema ayto, to exei analysei me polles leptomereies o k. Xatzhdakhs. Den eimai bebaios oti afhnei kapoies aixmes gia ton k. Liaph, etsi opws to lete eseis. Qewrw oti mallon anaferetai sth synenteyjh toy, me safhneia kai enargeia, sth dekaetia toy '90 kai sta laqh poy eginan tote. Den exw na sxoliasw tipote perissotero.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: An moy epitrepete. Leei, pantws, oti ``sxetika me plhrofories poy zhtoysame epaneilhmmena apo thn perasmenh anoijh''. To prosdiorizei o k. Mparo kai molis twra doqhkan aytes oi apanthseis apo ton k. Xatzhdakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis, loipon, ermhneysate mia apostrofh toy logoy toy me tropo poy den me briskei symfwno sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epanerxomai pali sto qema toy k. Maggina. Epeidh epikaleiste thn anakoinwsh ayth, th diselidh, sthn opoia epikaleitai filojenia kai to problhma anaphrias enos paidioy. Tyxainei kai to jerw. Kai anarwtiemai, me olo to qarros, gia poio logo kaqysterhse o k. Magginas na ekdwsei anakoinwsh, an to qema einai toso aplo kai den yparxei kamia ypocia mh nomimothtas, paranomias, parabatikothtas kai to afhse na kylaei ena Sabbatokyriako etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti qa kleisoyme thn enhmerwsh, opws thn anoijame, an den yparxei kamia allh erwthsh, giati to idio pragma me rwthsate kai sthn arxh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apolambanei, dhladh, ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ths amerisths kiolas, o k. Magginas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den janarwthqhka;

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla me apanthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poses fores qelete na apanthsw gi` ayto;

GKOYTZANHS: Den nomizete oti oi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs den ftanei na einai timioi, alla QA prepei kai na fainontai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An epikaleiste mia palaia rhsh, bebaiws. Alla, den nomizw oti parabiazetai ayth h palaia rhsh se ayth thn periptwsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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