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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 14 Noembrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 105876401

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 14 Noembrioy 2007

Xairete.

" Prin apo ligo, oloklhrwqhke h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, h opoia syzhthse qemata armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs. O k. Magginas exei hdh kanei dhlwseis, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio, stis 13.00, qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton epitimo Proedro ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Kwnstantino Mhtsotakh.

" Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw gia mia anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn se ena qema to opoio einai idiaitera eyaisqhto kai endiaferei: To Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn proebh sthn prowqhsh toy programmatos ESTIA, enos oloklhrwmenoy programmatos drashs gia thn omalh prosarmogh kai koinwnikh entajh twn yphkown tritwn xwrwn poy diamenoyn nomima sthn ellhnikh epikrateia. H diarkeia toy programmatos afora thn periodo 2007-2013. H xrhmatodothsh qa ginei kata 75% apo koinotikoys poroys kai kata 25% apo eqnikoys poroys. Diasfalisthkan, hdh, oi pistwseis apo to neoidryqen Eyrwpaiko Tameio gia thn entajh ws akoloyqws: Gia to etos 2007, 1.527.626 eyrw, gia to 2008, 2.063.575 eyrw, gia to 2009, 2.379.000 eyrw, gia to 2010, 2.550.000 eyrw, gia to 2011, 3.132.000 eyrw gia to 2012, 3.827.000 eyrw kai gia to 2013, 4.275.000 eyrw. To programma perilambanei eji epixeirhsiaka programmata:

Prwton: Plhroforhsh kai ejyphrethsh metanastwn, me dieykolynsh ws pros th glwssa alla kai me synergasia me tis xwres proeleyshs.

Deyteron: Prowqhsh sthn apasxolhsh.

Triton: Dieykolynsh ths prosbashs sthn ekpaideysh.

Tetarton: Prosbash stis yphresies ygeias kai stegashs.

Pempton: Dhmioyrgikh kai gonimh allhlepidrash toy ellhnikoy politismoy kai toy politismoy twn xwrwn proeleyshs twn metanastwn kai

Ekton: Prolhch kai katapolemhsh ths egklhmatikothtas me symboyleytikh sthrijh kai arwgh gia toys fylakismenoys.

To programma perilambanei kainotomies opws thn apokentrwsh, afoy h Topikh Aytodioikhsh, sto plaisio ths arxhs ths eggytidas exei barynonta logo ws pros thn omalh koinwnikh entajh twn metanastwn stis topikes koinwnies, th synergasia me tis xwres proeleyshs twn metanastwn kai th syndesh -gia prwth fora- toy metanasteytikoy fainomenoy me thn anaptyjh kai thn proodo se oloys toys tomeis.

Qa hqela na sygxarw ek meroys ths kybernhshs thn eyrwboyleyth kai Antiproedro toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy k. Rodh Kratsa, sthn opoia anakoinwqhke oti qa aponemhqei to Eyrwmesogeiako Brabeio 2007 gia to dialogo twn politismwn, gnwstotero kai ws brabeio ``ANNA LINT''.

Na shmeiwsw, telos, eisagwgika, oti o Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse to prwi me ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs k. Swthrh Xatzhgakh kai toy zhthse na ejetasei thn aysthropoihsh toy plaisioy gia orismena adikhmata toy Poinikoy Kwdika. Aformh staqhke h gnwsth ypoqesh poy sygklonise to panellhnio, toy biasmoy 9xronoy paidioy. Qa sas dwsw merikes epipleon leptomereies: To Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, loipon, sto plaisio toy nomoqetikoy toy ergoy kai ths anamorfwshs twn basikwn kwdikwn, mesw twn ychlobaqmwn epitropwn poy hdh leitoyrgoyn, meleta -kai qa melethsei meta thn kateyqynsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy- thn allagh toy isxyontos systhmatos twn poinwn poy problepontai gia idiaitera sobara adikhmata -ta opoia, peritto na to pw, syntarassetai h koinh gnwmh- me gnwmona thn aysthropoihsh sth metaxeirish twn ypotropwn kaq` ejin egklhmatiwn kai alla, xarin ths prostasias twn politwn. Syntoma qa yparjoyn metra kai malista drastika.

Deyteron, parallhla, epanejetazetai sto synolo toy to qesmiko plaisio twn xorhgoymenwn se katadikoys h ypodikoys adeiwn apoysias apo ta katasthmata krathshs. Gia osoys ekmetalleyontai to eyergethma ayto ths Politeias pros synexish toy egklhmatikoy toys ergoy, stoxos einai h apotelesmatikoterh prostasia toy eyryteroy koinwnikoy synoloy.

Triton, h diafylajh kai prostasia twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn, alla kai twn proswpikwn dedomenwn stis ypoqeseis teleshs sobarwn egklhmatwn kata ths zwhs, kata twn hqwn, egklhmatwn paiderastias, pornografias kai allwn synafwn, xrhzei eyryterhs epanejetashs, me apokleistiko gnwmona th megisth dynath ayjhsh toy aisqhmatos asfaleias kai dikaiosynhs twn dikaiwmatwn toy synoloy ths koinwnias, twn anypociastwn politwn kai twn eypaqwn kai eyalwtwn proswpwn, opws anhlikwn kai hlikiwmenwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhmioyrghqhke xqes mia eikona oti h kybernhsh peran twn gnwstwn allagwn poy etoimazei gia ton eklogiko nomo, dhladh thn ayjhsh ths primodothshs kata 10 edres sto prwto komma kai ton periorismo gia th xrhsh ths apo synaspismo kommatwn oti meleta kai to endexomeno na kocei, na diairesei tis megales eklogikes perifereies se mikroteres. Antimetwpizei h kybernhsh ayto to endexomeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh den exei dwsei stoixeia gia tis allages. Se kaqe periptwsh, oi allages aytes qa anakoinwqoyn apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. H basikh kateyqynsh sthn opoia kineitai h allagh ston eklogiko nomo, einai ayth thn opoia o idios o Prwqypoyrgos exei dhlwsei stis programmatikes dhlwseis sth Boylh.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. H kybernhsh symfwnei me mia protash poy legetai oti qa kanei o Proedros toy PASOK gia yioqethsh toy germanikoy monteloy, toy germanikoy systhmatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporei na symfwnhsei h kybernhsh me mia protash h opoia legetai oti qa ginei. Se o,ti afora ayto poy moy lete twra, gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyn yparjei fwnes sto parelqon -kai mesa sth Nea Dhmokratia- ychlobaqmwn stelexwn, ta opoia exoyn taxqei yper aytoy toy monteloy. Wstoso, den qelw na mpw se peraiterw syzhthsh giati kindyneyei na odhghsei se symperasmata poy isws einai ayqaireta, ypo thn ennoia oti oi basikes allages einai aytes tis opoies exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos. Kai de gnwrizw kati perissotero egw ayth th stigmh na sas dwsw.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa mpei se syzhthsh omws gia ton eklogiko nomo; Qa anoijei dialogo dhladh gi` ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H diadikasia thn opoia akoloyqoyme pantote sta nomosxedia einai gnwsth. Yparxei h logikh ths diaboyleyshs, h opoia akoloyqeitai se ola ta nomosxedia.

SPYRAKH: Hdh, o boyleyths sas k. Mhtsotakhs exei taxqei shmera yper toy germanikoy systhmatos kai sas ypenqymizw palaioteres dhlwseis ths k. Mpakogiannh kai toy k. Soyflia. Endexomenws se aytes na anaferosastan otan legate gia ta stelexh. H kybernhsh antimetwpizei to endexomeno na anoijei dialogo meta thn allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy gia ena neo eklogiko systhma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero gia to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy.

ROYMELIWTHS: To qema ths xrhmatodothshs twn Tameiwn ekleise oristika gia thn kybernhsh; Sas rwtw, giati kai ta syndikata kai h GESEBE qewroyn aneparkh th lysh poy doqhke gia to qema ths xrhmatodothshs kai malista lene oti ean den janapesei sto trapezi twn diapragmateysewn to qema, qa yparjei problhma me to sxedio enopoihshs twn Tameiwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh endiaferetai na bohqhsei ta Tameia, etsi wste na einai biwsima. Kaqe sobarh kybernhsh ayto qa eixe ws prwto ths melhma. Ayto exei, loipon, h shmerinh kybernhsh ws prwto ths melhma kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kineitai me thn allagh sto asfalistiko systhma. H syzhthsh ginetai anoikta sto plaisio ths armodias Epitrophs ths Boylhs. Ekei topoqeteitai h kybernhsh. Den exw na prosqesw, oyte na afairesw tipota apo ta osa exoyme pei dhmosiws mexri twra.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. Pws symbibazetai h desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den qa meiwqoyn oi syntajeis kai den qa ayjhqoyn ta oria hlikias, otan me tis prowqoymenes enopoihseis Tameiwn ftanoyme akribws se ayto to shmeio. Na ayjanontai kai ta oria hlikias gia ekatontades xiliades asfalismenoys mexri twra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejartatai. Ean gia paradeigma ennoeite syntajiodothsh sta 38, nomizw oti kanenas swfrwn h exefrwn poliths den qa yposthrize oti prepei h syntajiodothsh na ginetai sta 38 h sta 40.

KAKALHS: Akraia paradeigmata pianete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean milame gi` ayto to paradeigma. Giati yparxoyn tetoia paradeigmata.

KAKALHS: Ayta ta prowqei h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kata ta loipa, epeidh ginetai dialogos sth Boylh kai epeidh ekei tiqentai ta qemata poly anoikta den qelw na pw perissotera pragmata. H diadikasia einai anoikth, h diaboyleysh eleyqerh, h prosbash twn kommatwn kai twn koinwnikwn forewn kai paragontwn epishs eleyqerh kai epiqymhth. Den qelw na pw tipote perissotero edw.

GKOYTZANHS: Blepw shmera mia ekqesh toy OOSA poy deixnei oti h Ellada einai teleytaia stis dhmosies dapanes gia thn ygeia kai h prwth stis idiwtikes dapanes. Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo tis epidoseis ths ayta ta teleytaia xronia poy kyberna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Zhthsa stoixeia apo to armodio ypoyrgeio. Ta osa mporw na sas pw einai ta stoixeia poy dinontai shmera. Aforoyn dapanes ths periodoy 1995-2005 poy dhmosieyontai sthn ekqesh ``Panorama of health'' toy 2007 toy OOSA. Gia thn periodo ayth, sto pososto poy analogei se noshleytiko proswpiko ws pros ton ariqmo twn giatrwn, h xwra mas erxetai teleytaia me pososto 0,8%, enw gia tis idiwtikes dapanes ygeias gia thn idia periodo erxetai prwth me 57%. H eikona ayth exei pleon allajei kai den antapokrinetai sth shmerinh katastash ston tomea ths ygeias opoy me tis proslhceis poy exoyn hdh ginei h dromologhqei kai me thn ayjhsh toy posostoy dapanwn ygeias kata 7,5% ston Proypologismo toy 2008 -se sygkrish me ton Proypologismo toy 2007- dhmioyrgoyn mia nea pragmatikothta, h opoia qa apotypwqei sthn ekqesh toy OOSA poy qa afora thn periodo 2007-2008.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh anaferqhkate mono stoys noshleytes, qelete na peite oti h synolikh eikona gia tis dhmosies dapanes se sxesh me tis idiwtikes exei anatrapei epi twn hmerwn sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anaferqhka, ws paradeigma, sto noshleytiko proswpiko. Apo ekei kai pera, epanalambanw oti ta stoixeia ayta aforoyn thn periodo 1995-2005. Sas edwsa hdh ena-dyo stoixeia, ta opoia deixnoyn thn allagh gia to 2008 kai th bebaiothta toy armodioy ypoyrgoy, o opoios kalytera apo mena, oti h apotypwsh ths kalytereyshs ayths ths katastashs sthn ekqesh toy OOSA qa fanei gia thn periodo 2007-2008.

ROYMELIWTHS: Ginetai mia prospaqeia peristolhs twn dapanwn sto Dhmosio. Wstoso, o Proypologismos ths Boylhs paroysiazei ayjhseis sta leitoyrgika ejoda poy einai triplasia toy posostoy toy plhqwrismoy. Qa hqela ena sxolio ep` aytoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, opws gnwrizete, eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai kata synepeia, pote den sxoliazw ta ths Boylhs. Deyteron, einai bebaion oti oi ayjhseis poy apofasizontai exoyn na kanoyn me thn apotypwsh mias pragmatikothtas, me tis anagkes poy dhmioyrgoyntai. Dhladh, den einai ayqairetes kai einai anoiktes se oloys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den jerw ean eidate shmera kapoia dhmosieymata, moy fainetai sta ``NEA'' gia to oti oi ypeyqynoi gia thn peribohth ``ypoqesh ths zarntinieras'' den exoyn timwrhqei plhn enos kai oti ayto to gegonos to ferei barews kai o idios o paqwn, o Kyprios foithths, ean qymamai kala. Exete ypoch sas gia poio logo exoyn meinei atimwrhtoi oi ypeyqynoi gi` ayth thn istoria;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw kati perissotero, peran twn stoixeiwn poy moy eixe promhqeysei sto parelqon to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai ta eixa dwsei sth dhmosiothta.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh anaferqhkate sthn arxh stis systaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia aysthropoihsh ths poinikhs nomoqesias kai sth xorhghsh twn adeiwn, mhpws skeftetai h kybernhsh na kanei kai mia ereyna gia to poioi einai ekeinoi oi opoioi xorhgoyn kai me poies diadikasies; Giati nomizw oti to qema me to biasth den einai mono qema aysthropoihshs ths nomoqesias. O -den jerw pws na ton xarakthrisoyme ayton- eixe syllhfqei se adeia toy na epanalambanei to adikhma kai parola ayta eixe pali meta xaristikh antimetwpish. Ayto den einai qema nomoqesias. Ayto einai qema toy Symboylioy to opoio krinei aytes tis katastaseis. Einai safes dhladh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H aysthropoihsh einai to prwto bhma. Apo ekei kai pera, opws gnwrizete, o anqrwpinos paragontas einai para poly shmantikos. O kaqe poliths exei thn ypoxrewsh apenanti sto Syntagma, apenanti sth Dhmokratia, na threi to nomo. Exei thn ypoxrewsh na skeftetai, stis qeseis eyqynhs tis opoies analambanei ws ergazomenos, tis synepeies toy na mhn threi to nomo. Kai oxi mono tis synepeies gia ton idio, alla gia thn koinwnia. Ayto einai ena paradeigma to opoio dinei aformh na anaferqw, en taxei, kai se ena deytero qema poy to syzhthsame kai xqes edw. Gia paradeigma, egine  kai kalws egine- dhmosiopoihsh enos qematos to opoio h kybernhsh agnooyse. Opoios yposthrijei h pisteyei oti mia kybernhsh h ena opoiodhpote komma gnwrizei ola ta qemata poy symbainoyn ston topo, qa pistecei laqos. Opws kai eseis den gnwrizete ola ta qemata poy symbainoyn sthn ellhnikh dhmosiografia h ston idio ton topo. Kai anaferomai sto aparadekto qeama, paidia epi oktw xronia na didaskontai se aiqoyses -konteiners. Ayth h ypoqesh, loipon, eftase to 2004 se ypallhloys toy ypoyrgeioy PEXWDE. Kai parakalw, mh speysei kapoios na pei oti h kybernhsh ta ``rixnei'' se ypallhloys. Giati qewrw oti h eyqynh toy kaqenos mas einai diakrith kai prepei na einai diakrith. Molis proxqes, meta apo olh ayth th fasaria, eftase sto grafeio toy genikoy grammatea. O armodios ypoyrgos edwse entolh na ginei h dioikhtikh ejetash gia na breqoyn poioi exoyn aytes tis eyqynes. Ayto apotypwnei thn analghsia kapoiwn. Den mporei na synodeyetai h analghsia kapoiwn apo xaristikh symperifora. Kai aytoi oi ``kapoioi'' mporei na einai se ola ta klimakia ths dhmosias Dioikhshs, eite einai o xamhlobaqmos ypallhlos, eite einai o idios o ypoyrgos. Den aqwwnoyme kanenan. Kai en pash periptwsei den einai o rolos mas na dikasoyme, alla sto baqmo poy ws politika proswpa exoyme dhmosio logo, ofeiloyme na skeftomaste tis eyqynes enos ekastoy. To idio isxyei kai sto qema poy anaferate. Pisteyw, loipon, oti kapoios o opoios yphretei ws dhmosios leitoyrgos se opoiadhpote qesh, ofeilei na synypologizei tis epiptwseis twn apofasewn toy. Kai den ennow tis epiptwseis -epanalambanw- tis nomikes ws pros ton idion kai thn ejelijh toy ws ypallhloy. Ennow tis epiptwseis mias apofashs, shmantikhs opws ayth en prokeimenw, sthn idia thn koinwnia.

GKOYTZANHS: Parakoloyqhsa kai thn deyterh ypoqesh sthn opoia anaferqhkate, me to sxoleio to opoio htan sta konteiner. Eseis mphkate se mia syzhthsh peri ths grafeiokratias. Swsta einai ayta poy lete. Wstoso kapoios prepei na katalogisei eyqynes stoys anqrwpoys ekeinoys oi opoioi den kanoyn thn doyleia toys, eite einai ypallhloi poy enhmerwsan molis xqes thn politikh hgesia toy YPEXWDE. Kapoios prepei na katalogisei tis eyqynes kai se aytoys toys ypallhloys gia thn kaqysterhsh toys kai oti den askhsan swsta ta kaqhkonta toys kai gia thn allh ypoqesh me thn metaxeirish poy epifylajan sto biasth. Qa katalogistoyn aytes oi eyqynes; Ayto einai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto shmainei h Enorkh Dioikhtikh Ejetash. Ofeilw na sas pw, meta apo triamisi xronia ypoyrgos, oti apo ta pio dyskola pragmata poy exei na kanei enas ypoyrgos, einai na katalogisei eyqynes se ypallhloys. Einai apo ta pio dyskola pragmata. Kai den einai, giati leipei h politikh boylhsh, sas diabebaiw gia ayto. To exw antimetwpisei proswpika sta xwro poy briskomaste, twn dyo Genikwn Grammateiwn. Den leipei h politikh boylhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Allajte th diadikasia k. ypoyrge.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai toso eykolo giati den einai qema mias diadikasias. Einai qema proswpwn. An, gia paradeigma, kapoios einai systhmatikos ``kopanatzhs'' apo th doyleia toy kai ton kalyptei o proistamenos toy, qa prepei o ypoyrgos na kanei diarkws, kaqhmerina, efodoys gia na briskei an ton kalyptei kapoios proistamenos. Otan apokalyfqei kai paei sto peiqarxiko symboylio, epeidh o proistamenos einai kai aytos synypeyqynos qa epimeinei sto cema toy. Kai epeidh yparxei kai enas allos proistamenos, o opoios einai synergaths toy se diplano grafeio, qa kalycei ayto to cema. Peite moy sas parakalw eseis: Otan den yparxei entimoths sth symperifora toy kaqenos, oso kai na qelei h politikh hgesia, orismena pragmata den exoyn na kanoyn mono me politikh apofash. Exoyn na kanoyn me thn synaisqhsh ths ypoxrewshs apenanti se ayto to opoio exoyme analabei. Kai sas dinw ena paradeigma to opoio einai apo ta pio elafra paradeigmata.

KAKALHS: Parola ayta, mhpws katantaei ayth h metaqesh se atomiko epipedo eyqynwn, sto grafeiokratiko epipedo, mia politikh ypoqesh gia thn idia thn kybernhsh; Giati prwta ap ola einai politikes oi eyqynes gia th lysh twn problhmatwn. O laos den eklegei toys grafeiokrates. O laos eklegei kybernhsh kai ap` ayth perimenei na lysei ta problhmata toy. Prwta ap` ola eseis, dhladh, prepei n analabete thn eyqynh kai na diorqwsete ta kakws keimena poy lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo mia aristerh qewrhsh twn pragmatwn, endexomenws exete dikio. As pame se mia qewrhsh twn pragmatwn h opoia prospaqei na apotypwsei ayto poy ginetai filosofika den qa diafwnhsei kaneis mazi sas. Sthn prajh omws sas edwsa ena paradeigma. Kai parakalw poly peite moy, an eisaste eseis ypoyrgos h Genikos Grammateas ypoyrgeioy, se ayto to paradeigma poy sas edwsa, opoy o enas kalyptei ton allon, ti qa kanate. Kai edw einai atomikh h eyqynh, einai ontws atomikh h eyqynh. Den einai oti egw prospaqw na aposeisw apo panw moy th dikh moy atomikh eyqynh, ws politikoy proswpoy. Kai den qa parabiasw kanones na pw oti me gnwrizete poly kala kai xronia. Qa pw omws oti prospaqeis na kaneis th doyleia soy se ayto ton tomea kai briskesai antimetwpos me mia seira paragontwn tetoiwn, opws aytes poy anefera prohgoymenws. Den einai kaqoloy proswpiko to qema, gia kanenan ypoyrgo.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws epeidh to qetetai ws erwthma pros emas, k. Ekproswpe, sthn periptwsh me toys dhmosioys ypallhloys poy kalyptoyn, einai ligo dyskolo. Alla sthn periptwsh toy symboylioy poy apofylakize ton biasth o opoios ebgaine me adeia gia na biazei kai alla paidia, nomizw oti qa mporoyse na toys steilei spiti toys me synoptikes diadikasies kai na exei kai to xeirokrothma ths koinhs gnwmhs. Merika pragmata einai apla.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi synoptikes diadikasies den sas krybw oti kamia fora kai mena me intrigkaroyn. Den sas to krybw ayto giati nomizw oti enas anqrwpos o opoios skeptetai opws skeptetai h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn - kai qelw na qewrw ton eayto moy ws enan tetoio - nai, etsi qa skeftotan opws to lete eseis. Apo kei kai pera, h Politeia h idia ofeilei na threi toys nomoys. Dioti an h idia h Politeia dwsei to paradeigma oti den threi toys nomoys kai tis diadikasies poy exoyn balei aytoi oi nomoi, tote arxizei na ``jhlwnei ena poylober'' poy den gnwrizoyme poy qa ftasei.

GKOYTZANHS: (Den akoygetai) ... toys nomoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, h xrhsh toy nomoy einai ekeinh h opoia kaqysterei mia seira apo katastaseis.

XIDIROGLOY: Mas perigracate mia katastash arxikh. Ti kanei o enas proistamenos, ti kanei o proistamenos poy einai katw apo ton allo proistameno k.l.p. Emena h erwthsh moy qewrw oti einai aplh: Einai h kybernhsh etoimh na sygkroystei me syntexniakes logikes sygkalychs eyqynwn kai malista se gegonota meizonos koinwnikhs shmasias prokeimenoy na yparjei mia kaqarsh kai na antilhfqoyn kai aytoi oi opoioi leitoyrgoyn grafeiokratika oti exoyn kapoies ypoxrewseis stoixeiwdeis enanti toy koinwnikoy synoloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa me boleye na parw ta wraia logia poy eipate kai na ta epanalabw. Pragmatika sas to lew. Protimw omws na eimai pragmatisths kai na blepw thn pragmatikothta katamata. Akomh kai an epanalabw ayta ta wraia logia poy eipate, peri sygkroysewn k.l.p., den payoyn na einai wraia logia. Egw sas periegraca mia pragmatikothta. Kai h pragmatikothta ayth shmainei allagh koyltoyras, allagh paideias, allagh symperiforas kai nootropias. Ayth h allagh symperiforas kai nootropias den mporei na ginei oyte me nomoys, oyte me apofaseis monon.

Sas eyxaristw.

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