Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-10-25

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 25 Oktwbrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 102564100

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 25 Oktwbrioy 2007

Xairete.

H kybernhsh proxwrei sthn ylopoihsh enos shmantikoy metroy apo to opoio qa wfelhqoyn oles oi Ellhnides kai oloi oi Ellhnes. Prokeitai gia thn ypoxrewsh poy analambanoyn oi foreis kyrias asfalishs, oi megalyteroi foreis kyrias asfalishs sth xwra mas, na kataballoyn se osoys to zhtoyn, dhladh se osoys ypoballoyn aithsh syntajiodothshs, proswrinh syntajh mesa se 15 ergasimes hmeres apo thn ypobolh ths aithshs kai ths sxetikhs ypeyqynhs dhlwshs.

Me thn oloklhrwsh, xqes, sth Boylh, ths syzhthshs kat` arqron gia th sxetikh nomoqetikh ryqmish, o Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias k. Basilhs Magginas apesteile stoys Dioikhtes kai Proedroys twn Organismwn Kyrias Asfalishs, poy einai armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy toy, sxetikh epistolh. Toys dinei odhgies gia thn efarmogh ths ryqmishs. Thn epistolh ayth, gia osoys den thn gnwrizoyn, qa sas th dianeimoyn oi synergates moy meta thn oloklhrwsh ths enhmerwshs. Pera apo ayto, qa hqela na epishmanw tria shmeia poy briskontai sthn kardia ayths ths ryqmishs:

Prwton: Me th ryqmish ayth h Politeia antapokrinetai se mia aytonohth apaithsh olwn twn politwn. Na mporoyn, dhladh, xwris apwleia xronoy, xwris kamia kaqysterhsh, sxedon amesws meta th syntajiodothsh toys  opws sas eipa, se 15 ergasimes hmeres-- na ejasfalizoyn ena staqero eisodhma. Na synexisoyn na exoyn ena staqero eisodhma, opws eixan kai mexri thn hmera poy doyleyan kanonika. Kai ayto einai aparaithto, giati mexri twra, opws gnwrizete, yphrxan megales kaqysterhseis, mhnwn, syxna kai etwn, mexri na anagnwristoyn oi syntajeis se osoys ypebalan thn aithsh. Ayto eixe diafores dysarestes synepeies stoys ergazomenoys. Polloi apo aytoys, epeidh den eixan trexon eisodhma, anagkazontan na jodeyoyn, na katanaliskoyn apotamieyseis poy eixan kanei mia oloklhrh zwh. Osoi den eixan apotamieyseis htan ypoxrewmenoi na daneistoyn, prokeimenoy na kalyptoyn ta trexonta ejoda toys.

Deyteron: Me th ryqmish ayth, antimetwpizetai ena oloklhro plegma grafeiokratikwn dyskamciwn  na to poyme etsi- poy exoyn parathrhqei edw kai polla xronia, kata th diadikasia ths ekdoshs twn syntajewn.

Oi 'Ellhnes polites einai ypeyqynoi polites. H Politeia prepei na toys empisteyetai. Kai toys empisteyetai akribws giati twra toys dinei to dikaiwma, me mia aplh aithsh -opws sas eipa- kai me mia ypeyqynh dhlwsh, na zhthsoyn na toys katablhqei to 80% ths syntajhs poy telika qa toys anagnwristei mesa se 15 ergasimes hmeres. Taytoxrona, me thn ypobolh ayths ths ypeyqynhs dhlwshs katoxyrwnontai kai oi ypallhloi twn Tameiwn, oi opoioi einai fysiko na qeloyn kai ekeinoi na exoyn th bebaiothta oti oi 'Ellhnes polites, ekeinoi poy apeyqynontai stoys asfalistikoys Organismoys opoy exoyn kataballei ola ayta ta xronia tis asfalistikes eisfores, desmeyontai oti ta stoixeia poy kataqetoyn gia th syntajh toys antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Kai ean breqoyn kapoioi ligoi oi opoioi qa qelhsoyn na epwfelhqoyn apo ayto to systhma, ayto den mporei na akyrwsei thn prwtoboylia poy lambanetai gia na wfelhqoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites. Aytoi oi ligoi, loipon, qa ypostoyn tis synepeies.

Telos, qa hqela kai apo ayth th qesh  opws kanei kai o Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Basilhs Magginas- na apeyqynw kai egw me th seira moy mia paraklhsh pros toys ypallhloys olwn twn Tameiwn, poy einai anqrwpoi empeiroi kai doyleyoyn me megalh eysyneidhsia ola ayta ta xronia: Eimai bebaios oti qa antapokriqoyn sto ergo toys, qa thrhsoyn tis proqesmies kai qa ejyphrethsoyn toys asfalismenoys. Giati kai apo aytoys ejartatai se poly megalo baqmo h efarmogh kai h epityxia toy sygkekrimenoy metroy. H Politeia -to lew gia mia akomh fora- kanei to aytonohto. Dhladh, dinei, xwris kamia xronotribh, stoys ergazomenoys poy ginontai syntajioyxoi apo th mia hmera sthn allh, to eisodhma poy dikaioyntai na exoyn. Den epitrepei na emfanizetai, na to pw etsi, keno eisodhmatos. Oi polites poy doylecan mia oloklhrh zwh exoyn dikaiwma na pairnoyn th syntajh toys grhgora kai xwris grafeiokratikes diadikasies.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Oi ergazomenoi sto IKA amfisbhtoyn oti yparxoyn ypodomes -dhladh mhxanorganwsh, o ariqmos twn ypallhlwn- gia na antapokriqei h kybernhsh se ayth th desmeysh gia proswrinh syntajh se 15 hmeres. Pws qa antapejelqei h kybernhsh se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakalesw na diabasete thn epistolh toy k. Maggina pros toys Dioikhtes kai Proedroys twn Organismwn. Na sas epishmanw, omws, oti lambanontai oles oi sxetikes pronoies. Dinetai sta Tameia ena protypo ypeyqynhs dhlwshs poy mporei ekeinoi na prosarmosoyn, kaqe Tameio analoga me tis anagkes toy h me ta stoixeia ta opoia krinei oti prepei na exei. Epishs, se kaqe Tameio, se kaqe asfalistiko Organismo qa yparjei ena eidiko grafeio, akribws gia th diekperaiwsh aytwn twn aithsewn. Eidika sto IKA, opoy anaferqhkate, yparxei opws gnwrizete, edw kai ligo kairo, h dynatothta kapoios o opoios problepei oti qa bgei sth syntajh  kai synhqws oi perissoteroi ergazomenoi gnwrizoyn pote qa bgoyn sth syntajh- ena xrono prin elqei ayth h wra na ypobaloyn ola ta dikaiologhtika toys, wste na meiwqei akomh perissotero o xronos anamonhs. Na mhn yparxei, loipon, kamia dikaiologia gia thn kaqysterhsh kata thn ekdosh twn syntajewn.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Eipate oti einai gia tis prowres syntajeis ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, de milhsa gia prowres syntajeis. Anaferqhka stis kyries syntajeis kai se sygkekrimena Tameia. Einai ta megalytera  lew apo apocews ariqmoy asfalismenwn- Tameia ta opoia ypagontai sthn armodiothta toy Ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs. Kai ola ayta ta Tameia, basei ths nomoqetikhs ryqmishs, h opoia opws sas eipa chfisthke apo th Boylh, ypoxrewtika prepei na efarmozoyn ayth th diadikasia, prokeimenoy oloi oi asfalismenoi na wfeloyntai.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na anaferqw sthn apokalych poy exei kanei h ``Eleyqerotypia'' gia mia apeyqeias anaqesh, mia ``xrysh'' symfwnia toy OPAP pros thn INTRALOT, ycoys 230 ekat. eyrw ths opoias malista to megalytero tmhma, gyrw sta 130 ekat. eyrw, den eginan gnwsta. Apekrybhsan. O men OPAP, sth dhlwsh toy, eipe oti ayto to poso, to opoio aforoyse sthn oysia th synthrhsh kai thn yposthrijh toy oloy mhxanismoy, den mporei na ypologistei, h de INTRALOT eipe oti mporei na prosdioristei monon apologistika. Omws, kai oi dyo pleyres den edwsan alhqh stoixeia, dioti symfwna me ta arqra 2 kai 3 ths symbashs, ta epimeroys timhmata einai kostologhmena, apodekta ekaterwqen, symbolaiopoihmena, anaprosarmozomena kai kataballontai kaqe mhna kai gia 36 synolika mhnes. Ola ayta den deixnoyn oti oi diakhryjeis ths kybernhshs peri diafaneias kai kata ths diaplokhs menoyn ston aera;

ANTWNAROS: Menw stis apanthseis poy sas edwse xqes o k. Roysopoylos.

KORAH: Na sas qymisw ti mas apanthse o k. Roysopoylos; Eipe sygkekrimena  safws kai eipe oti den einai hssonos shmasias to qema kai eipe oti ``egw sigoyra qa maqw...

ANTWNAROS: Se dikh sas erwthsh.

KORAH: Nai, se dikh moy. Ayto eipe. Eipe ``den qewrw oti einai hssonos shmasias to qema'' kai eipe ``pantws, egw sigoyra qa maqw ti akribws exei symbei''. O k. Roysopoylos ypoqetw den erxetai edw ws fysiko proswpo, erxetai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Eseis eiste anaplhrwths toy. Maqate, loipon, ti egine;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, o OPAP einai mia etaireia eishgmenh sto Xrhmatisthrio, h opoia opws sas eipe kai xqes o k. Roysopoylos qa dwsei apanthseis sta osa tiqentai sta dhmosieymata ths ``Eleyqerotypias''.

KORAH: Eimaste sthn anamonh dhladh.

ANTWNAROS: Menw s` ayto poy sas eipa. Asfalws, omws, gnwrizete mia anakoinwsh poy ekane o OPAP me hmeromhnia 23/10.

KORAH: Oles tis gnwrizoyme kai anaferqhka kai prin.

ANTWNAROS: Aplws to epishmainw. Eimai bebaios. Den amfisbhtw thn eparkeia me thn opoia kalyptete to qema.

KORAH: Kai xqes syzhthqhke kai eipame oti den exei akribh stoixeia o OPAP, dioti h idia h symfwnia thn opoia exei h ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'' sta xeria ths, deixnei oti einai diaforetika ta sympefwnhmena.

MPESKENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, plhroforhqhkame oti prin apo ligh wra kai sth diarkeia ths hmeras malista, o k. Giannhs Kefalogiannhs kai o k. Giannhs Barbitsiwths, stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias me makra politikh poreia, exoyn taxqei yper twn diagrafwn an synexistoyn aytes oi gkrinies opws emfanizontai apo stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Malista, o k. Barbitsiwths to estiase idiaitera kai se prwhn Ypoyrgoys. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se tetoioy eidoys metra;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia tetoia plhroforia.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas parakalesw na mas peite pws skeftetai h Ellada na antidrasei sth nea poly krisimh troph poy pairnoyn ta pragmata sto kypriako problhma. Me eggrafo poy ypegracan, ws gnwsto, h Megalh Bretania kai h Toyrkia kai opoy ta Katexomena onomazontai Toyrkikh Dhmokratia ths Boreias Kyproy kai opoy sthn oysia h Agglia anagnwrizei ta Katexomena kai wqei ta pragmata pros th dixotomhsh kai opoy bebaiws h Megalh Bretania parabiazei tis ypoxrewseis ths pros thn Kypro poy kaqorizontai sth Synqhkh Eggyhsews.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws, gnwrizete th dhlwsh thn opoia ekane xqes, se dhmosiografikh erwthsh sxetika me ayto to qema, h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh. H dhlwsh ayth thn opoia ekane h k. Mpakogiannh einai kai h apanthsh thn opoia dinei h kybernhsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na prosqesw to ejhs: Mhpws o k. Karamanlhs skeptetai na epikoinwnhsei endexomenws me ton Toyrko Prwqypoyrgo h kai me ton Agglo Prwqypoyrgo, prokeimenoy na kanei parastaseis gi` ayth thn kinhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh ths k. Mpakogiannh. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, parakoloyqei ayta ta qemata me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia kai kanei se ola ta dieqnh epipeda oti apaiteitai prokeimenoy na proaspistoyn ta eqnika symferonta kai na mhn epitrecei na anagnwristei, opws eipe kai o k. Roysopoylos xqes, emmesws h amesws to katexomeno meros ths Boreias Kyproy.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Shmera, h k. Mpenakh eipe oti me to na katachfistei mia diatajh den xaqhke kai o kosmos, yponowntas tis diafwnies poy exei ekfrasei o k. Polydwras, kai oxi mono, oti mporei na katachfisoyn kapoies diatajeis h kai nomosxedia ths kybernhshs. To sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epanerxomai sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy. Eipate oti den exete kamia tetoia plhroforhsh. Se sxesh me ti; Me to an exoyn ginei oi dhlwseis toy k. Barbitsiwth kai toy k. Kefalogiannh gia diagrafes h me to an qa yparjoyn diagrafes; Mia dieykrinish.

ANTWNAROS: Kai gia ta dyo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Malista. Mhpws exete plhroforhsh gia to an exoyn ginei prospaqeies proseggishs apo to Megaro Majimoy h apo stelexh toy Megaroy Majimoy h ths Rhgillhs pros kapoioys apo toys as to poyme antartes h diafwnoyntes boyleytes;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kanena sxolio h kamia plhroforhsh edw;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

MPESKENHS: Na synexisw ligo sto qema ths k. Mpenakh poy eipe kai o k. Papadhmhtrioy prohgoymenws. H tews Proedros ths Boylhs kai xqes sthn Epitroph, alla kai shmera se radiofwniko staqmo xarakthrise aparadekth th ryqmish gia toys metaklhtoys. Einai h epimaxh ryqmish toy nomosxedioy toy k. Paylopoyloy. Egw, kalopista qa dexqw ayto poy elege proxqes o k. Roysopoylos kai o k. Paylopoylos oti den eprokeito kai den xreiazetai kamia dieykrinish gia toys metaklhtoys. Giati den exei peistei h k. Mpenakh, wste na xarakthrisei aparadekth th ryqmish ayth kai na anaferqei se metaklhtoys ypallhloys;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Menw, omws, stis dhlwseis tis opoies exei kanei sth Boylh xqes, o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Prokophs Paylopoylos.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema poy eqese h k. Korah. Pws ejhgeite oti aytoys poy kathggeile proeklogika o Prwqypoyrgos ws eqnikoys promhqeytes kai ergolaboys, synexizoyn na kyriarxoyn kai stis kratikes promhqeies kai sta kratika erga. Einai mia emprakth omologia oti h kybernhsh den mporei na antimetwpisei th diaplokh poy elege proeklogika o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, se ayto ton tomea ton opoio anaferqhkate exei parei sygkekrimena metra kai malista me poly apotelesmatiko tropo.

KAKALHS: Ta apotelesmata omws den dikaiwnoyn ayta poy leei h kybernhsh oti qa antimetwpize th diaplokh. To akribws antiqeto symbainei.

ANTWNAROS: Ta apotelesmata dikaiwnoyn thn kybernhsh.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Prin ligo, me dhlwseis toy sto radiofwniko staqmo ``FLASH'', o boyleyths toy PASOK, k. Berelhs, eipe oti mesw toy proskeimenoy sthn kybernwsa paratajh Typoy, to Megaro Majimoy epixeirei na xeiragwghsei tis ejelijeis sto PASOK. To sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den sas aggizei, dhladh, ayth h kathgoria, ayth h momfh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia qemata poy aforoyn tis eswkommatikes ejelijeis sto PASOK.

MPESKENHS: Pws einai oi sxeseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh me ton k. Xatzhdakh;

ANTWNAROS: Para poly kales.

MPESKENHS: Epeidh maqainoyme kapoia dysareskeia ek meroys toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias, sxetika me thn epilogh toy k. Xatzhdakh na diorisei sto Dioikhtiko Symboylio ths ``Olympiakhs'', anqrwpoys poy den ekproswpoyn to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias. Exete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy; Ean alhqeyei, estw.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia ena kaqara diadikastiko qema, sto opoio doqhke lysh.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai gnwsto oti kai eseis kai o k. Roysopoylos, de sxoliazete tis ejelijeis sto PASOK, alla edw h momfh omws afora to Megaro Majimoy oti epixeirei na xeiragwghsei, epanalambanw, tis ejelijeis sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den kanoyme kanena sxolio, sxetika me tis eswkommatikes ejelijeis sto PASOK.

KAKALHS: Sth xqesinh Synodo Ypoyrgwn Amynas toy NATO, o Ypoyrgos Amynas k. Meimarakhs, anelabe kapoia desmeysh gia ayjhsh twn ellhnikwn strateymatwn sto Afganistan;

ANTWNAROS: De gnwrizw na egine kati tetoio. Oxi.

KAKALHS: De gnwrizete, h ontws de synebh;

ANTWNAROS: De gnwrizw na egine kati tetoio.

MPESKENHS: Dieykrinistika ths prohgoymenhs erwthshs moy: Mas lete oti egine kapoio laqos ek meroys toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa sthn erwthsh sas. Sas eipa oti prokeitai gia ena kaqara diadikastiko qema, to opoio lyqhke sthn prajh. Den yparxei logos, loipon, ena diadikastiko qema na megalopoieitai kai na toy didontai politikes diastaseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: H synanthsh poy egine shmera, metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy k. Ebert, aforoyse to qema toy Skopianoy kai to na kateynastoyn oi antirrhseis poy eixe ekfrasei dhmosiws o prwhn Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws jerete, synantatai syxna me ton prwhn Proedro ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Miltiadh Ebert, me ton opoio antallasei apoceis gia polla qemata ths trexoysas epikairothtas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai gia to Skopiano. Ayto moy lete.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, gia polla qemata ths trexoysas epikairothtas. Eseis to estiazete se ena qema. Egw sas lew akribws to antiqeto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, to estiazw epeidh o k. Ebert prosfata, prin apo mia ebdomada ejefrase th diafwnia toy sto qema, sto endexomeno mallon, na pame se synqeth onomasia me ta Skopia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai polles fores me ton k. Ebert. Syzhtoyn oi dyo antres, poy opws gnwrizete exoyn kai poly palia gnwrimia, polla qemata apo thn trexoysa epikairothta.

PALAIOLOGOS: Symfwnhsane; Symfwnoyn se ola ta qemata;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw enhmerwqei gia to periexomeno ths synanthshs.

KAKALHS: Th stigmh poy h kybernhsh omnyei sthn anabaqmish toy dhmosioy Panepisthmioy, thn idia stigmh proxwra sthn DE FACTO idiwtikopoihsh toy me thn anagnwrish twn ptyxiwn twn idiwtikwn kollegiwn. Telika me poion einai h kybernhsh; Me toys idiokthtes twn kollegiwn kai toys epixeirhmaties;

ANTWNAROS: Balate se mia erwthsh para polla stoixeia me ta opoia den qa symfwnhsw synolika mazi sas. Symfwnw mono se ena. Oti h kybernhsh ayth exei analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies kai oi nomoqetikes ths prwtoboylies, alla kai oles oi kinhseis poy kanei, apoblepoyn akribws ekei poy eipate. Sthn anabaqmish ths dhmosias ekpaideyshs. Ayth proxwraei oysiastika kai me tropo ton opoio antilambanontai oloi oi Ellhnes, poy spoydazoyn, foitoyn sta sxoleia, sta panepisthmia ths dhmosias ekpaideyshs kai oi oikogeneies toys. To allo to opoio qigete afora, opws gnwrizete, mia koinotikh odhgia sthn opoia topoqethqhka kai egw thn perasmenh Paraskeyh, an enqymoymai kala kai o k. Roysopoylos xqes. Eyxaristws, an qelete na sas janadiabasw thn topoqethsh. H dikh sas perigrafh den apeikonizei ton tropo me ton opoio egine h dikh mas topoqethsh.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epanelqw sto qema ths symbashs poy ypegrace o OPAP me thn INTRALOT. Kai eseis kai o k .Roysopoylos xqes, oyte ligo oyte poly, deijate ws ypeyqyno ton OPAP. To erwthma moy einai h kybernhsh den asxolhqhke me to sygkekrimeno qema; Den einai kai politiko qema, otan ginontai tetoioy ycoys symbaseis me ap eyqeias anaqesh kai otan melh toy D.S. toy OPAP einai ths epirrohs toy Megaroy Majimoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na ermhneysw ayta ta opoia eipe o k. Roysopoylos xqes, molonoti kai eseis h idia eipate oti oi topoqethseis mas einai taytoshmes. Qa hqela omws na sas pw oti den nomizw oti katalogisame eyqynes oyte o k. Roysopoylos oyte kai egw. Opws eipate eseis eisagwgika sthn erwthsh sas.

KORAH: Se kanenan den katalogisate eyqynes, ayto einai to problhma...

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti menw stis apanthseis tis opoies exoyme dwsei. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo sto sygkekrimeno qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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