Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-07-05

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 5 Ioynioy 2007

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn epiqesh thn opoia kanei o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE sthn ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'' kai sthn armodia syntaktria poy einai diapisteymenh sto Ypoyrgeio toy.

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn k. Giwrgos Soyflias exei apanthsei me analytikh dhlwsh opoy ekqetei ola toy ta epixeirhmata.

KORAH: Egw qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs. Dhladh, kalyptei thn energeia, ayth thn epiqesh enos Ypoyrgoy se mia efhmerida kai se mia syntaktria apeilwntas thn malista kai me agwges;

ANTWNAROS: Ta epixeirhmata toy Ypoyrgoy ta yioqetei h kybernhsh. To Syntagma den leei poyqena oti enas Ypoyrgos den mporei na askhsei ola ta nomima dikaiwmata toy, ta dikaiwmata poy exei kaqe Ellhnas poliths prokeimenoy na yperaspistei thn timh kai thn ypolhch toy.

KORAH: H agwgh den einai mia prospaqeia ekfobismoy toy dhmosiografoy;

ANTWNAROS: Molis topoqethqhka.

KORAH: Diabasate th dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy. Diabasate thn apanthsh ths armodias syntaktrias kai to arqro ths ``ELEYQEROTYPIAS'' opoy ta epixeirhmata toy Ypoyrgoy einai ewla;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den briskw kaqoloy ewla ta epixeirhmata toy Ypoyrgoy.

KORAH: Ton kalyptete plhrws dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KORAH: Eiste yper ayths ths biotexnias twn agwgwn enantion, malista oyte kan ths idias ths efhmeridas, alla toy dhmosiografoy.

ANTWNAROS: Oi dhmosiografoi exoyn ypoxrewsh na elegxoyn ta stoixeia toys.

KAKALHS: Epeidh eipate, yioqeteite ta epixeirhmata toy Ypoyrgoy, yioqeteite profanws kai to Proedriko Diatagma to opoio eixe kataqesei o k. Soyflias to Flebarh toy 2006, to opoio edine th dynatothta na yparjei domhsh se orismena tmhmata toy Eqnikoy Drymoy ths Parnhqas kai na anaptyxqoyn polypleyres epixeirhmatikes drasthriothtes sto drymo.

ANTWNAROS: Ta Proedrika Diatagmata, opws antilambaneste, einai ryqmiseis poy ekdidontai katopin protasews ths kybernhshs.

SPYRAKH: Einai se gnwsh ths kybernhshs oti xqes to brady o Eisaggeleas Liogas, proxwrhse katopin kataggelias se ereyna sthn oikia stenoy synergath toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfh; Qa hqela na rwthsw, exete plhrofories gia poio logo egine ayth h ereyna kai ti politiko sxolio exete na kanete se mia tetoia kinhsh giati kaqws gnwrizoyme o Eisaggeleas ereyna thn ypoqesh twn omologwn;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den jerw ta sygkekrimena pragmatika peristatika. Deyteron kai ean ta hjera den eprokeito se kamia periptwsh na sxoliasw qemata poy exoyn sxesh me th Dikaiosynh. Den to kanei pote h kybernhsh kai oyte prokeitai na to kanei.

STAQOPOYLOS: Sthn ypoqesh toy k. Papakwnstantinoy, xqes eipate oti den exei apanthsei to PASOK epi ths oysias. H kybernhsh zhtaei thn apomakrynsh toy kai ean qa exoyme kai alles apokalyceis kai gia alla qemata.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai xqes kai to janalew kai shmera: Exei megalo endiaferon oti o Proedros toy PASOK kai arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Giwrgos Papandreoy ejakoloyqei na siwpa. Ejakoloyqei na siwpa o idios kai as isxyrizetai oti einai dhqen diaprysios khrykas gia thn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras kai ths diaplokhs. Ejakoloyqei na siwpa kai as yparxoyn sto ameso periballon toy atoma, opws o shmerinos genikos dieyqynths toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, toy PASOK, o k. Papakwnstantinoy, gia ton opoion exoyn dhmosiopoihqei polla epibaryntika stoixeia. Ejakoloyqei na siwpa o k. Papandreoy kai shmera gia tetarth mera  metraw kai egw tis hmeres- - diathrwntas to geniko dieyqynth toy PASOK sth qesh toy.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas peite giati kathgoreitai o k. Papakwnstantinoy kai gia poio logo qa eprepe na ton apomakrynei o k. Papandreoy;

ANTWNAROS: Ta stoixeia ta opoia dhmosiopoihse o Prwqypoyrgos me thn kataqesh toys sth Boylh einai gnwsta.

GKOYTZANHS: Den einai gnwsta. Kateqese ta stoixeia sth Boylh. Mporoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites na pane sth Boylh na paroyn to fakelo me ta stoixeia;

ANTWNAROS: Oi dhmosiografoi pantws mporoyn, ej oswn gnwrizw.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara den lete giati kathgoreitai, mas parapempete sth Boylh.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sthn omilia toy se ayta ta stoixeia.

GKOYTZANHS: Eseis epanalambanete kai xqes, etsi krinete, to kathgorhthrio enantion toy...

ANTWNAROS: Oydepote milhsa gia kathgorhthrio. Mh moy bazete sto stoma moy lejeis tis opoies egw den xrhsimopoihsa. Sas parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Entajei. Ma den eipa oti th xrhsimopoihsate eseis th lejh. Einai dikh moy apoch.

ANTWNAROS: Kalo einai na to kanete safes tote.

GKOYTZANHS: O tropos me ton opoio eseis katafereste enantion toy k. Papakwnstantinoy, egw to lew kathgorhthrio. Balte to entos eisagwgikwn san dikh moy lejh.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenw thn erwthsh sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai. Enw anafereste ektetamena se ayto kai deyterh fora kai epanalambanete kai trith, arneiste na kanete enan kopo kai na mas epanalabete giati kathgoreitai o k. Papakwnstantinoy.

ANTWNAROS: An qelete, na sas diabasw th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Oxi.

SPYRAKH: Hqela kyrie Ekproswpe na rwthsw se sxesh me to prohgoymeno kai epitrecte moy aplws na epanelqw, eipate oti den sxoliazete qemata poy sxetizontai me th Dikaiosynh, h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

SPYRAKH: Wstoso, h ereyna, epeidh yparxei kai h paradoxh apo thn pleyra toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias, afora se steno synergath, se poly steno synergath toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias. Qelw loipon na rwthsw ean kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs, h diejagwgh dikastikhs ereynas gia th drasthriothta enos stenoy synergath toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias apotelei ``skia'' gia to proswpo ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa prohgoymenws. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

ARMENHS: Eipate prin gia epibaryntika stoixeia. Akoyme gia ypoptes synallages toy k. Papakwnstantinoy, wstoso, me bash ola ayta, de shmainei oti o k. Papakwnstantinoy einai enoxos. Ara gia poio logo mexri na apodeixqei an einai h oxi enoxos zhtate thn paraithsh h thn apomakrynsh toy.

ANTWNAROS: Dioti yparxoyn ``skies'' gia sygkekrimenh symperifora sthn oysia ths opoias den exei apanthsei kaneis. Gyrw-gyrw anaferontai oi kyrioi toy PASOK kai o Proedros toy PASOK. Kai gia thn oysia kanoyn oti den katalabainoyn.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh eixe milhsei th Deytera kai gia to xrwma twn aetonyxhdwn, oti htan prasino kai me to anakatema olhs ayths ths skandalologias. Dhladh, to dilhmma poy exei o ellhnikos laos na dialejei to xrwma twn aetonyxhdwn, an qa einai prasino h galazio;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino poy exei shmasia einai oti twra oloi perimenoyn tis apanthseis toy PASOK. Kai tis perimenoyn gia para polles meres. Tis perimenoyn oloi, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, edw kai 8,5 xronia. Giati --basei twn stoixeiwn ta opoia kateqese o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh, opws sas eipa se prohgoymenh syzhthsh-- apo to 1999 kai to 2000 ginontan apo ta idia peripoy proswpa, xrhmatistes, tetoies poly ypoptes synallages. Kai gia na kanoyme ton ypologismo, 8,5 xronia epi 365 hmeres einai peripoy 3100 hmeres stis opoies to PASOK einai ypologo enanti toy ellhnikoy laoy kai prepei na ferei pisw ta lefta poy oi tote dioikhseis twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn, oi diorismenes apo tis kybernhseis toy PASOK diaxeiristhkan me ayto ton entelws aneyqyno, an oxi ypopto, tropo.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh yioqetei tis kataggelies poy ekane sth Boylh o boyleyths toy kybernwntos kommatos o Giannhs Manwlhs poy aforoyn sto diorismo ths syzygoy toy k. Papakwnstantinoy se IEK thn periodo poy o k. Papakwnstantinoy htan antiproedros toy Organismoy Epaggelmatikhs Ekpaideyshs kai Katartishs xwris, kata ton k. Manwlh kai symfwna me thn kataggelia, na diaqetei h en logw kyria ta analoga typika prosonta. Tis yioqetei aytes tis kataggelies h kybernhsh; Einai meros twn skiwn stis opoies anafereste gia to proswpo toy genikoy dieyqynth toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw se anakoinwsh toy Organismoy Epaggelmatikhs Ekpaideyshs kai Katartishs, anakoinwsh h opoia ekdoqhke, nomizw, me shmerinh hmeromhnia. Oytws h allws h armodiothta gia thn apodosh poinikwn h allwn eyqynwn  alla poinikwn eyqynwn en prokeimenw-- se proswpa, anhkei sth Dikaiosynh.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den apanthse akomh h kybernhsh peistika gia poio logo stoixeia ta opoia einai epibaryntika, opws ta xarakthrizete, ta opoia aforoyn ton k. Papakwnstantinoy apokalyptontai twra kai ta kataggellei (den akoygetai)...

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei. Den hsaste tis teleytaies meres sto briefing.

KORAH: Tis parakoloyqw, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Me xaropoiei idiaiterws ayto to gegonos.

KORAH: Kai den me exete peisei.

ANTWNAROS: Ta stoixeia, omws, poy exw dwsei kai oi apanthseis, kat` eme, einai apolytws peistika kai diafwtistika.

KORAH: Moy epitrepete na sas qymisw ti exete pei; Exete pei oti: Shmasia exoyn ayta kaqayta ta stoixeia. Yparxei omws, epanalambanw, ena erwthma oti ola ayta ta stoixeia htan eis gnwsh Ypoyrgwn edw kai xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw kati tetoio.

KORAH: Giati loipon apofasisate twra;

ANTWNAROS: Exw hdh apanthsei. Den exete diabasei oles tis apanthseis moy Eyxaristws, loipon, na sas dwsw to proxqesino briefing, na to diabasete.

KORAH: To porisma to opoio epikaleitai o k. Manwlhs einai edw kai tria xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis anafereste ston OEEK. Egw rwthqhka gia ta omologa. Kai en pash periptwsei, sas eipa pro oligoy oti gia tis legomenes treis porismatikes ekqeseis oi opoies anaferontai sthn anakoinwsh toy Organismoy Epaggelmatikhs Ekpaideyshs kai Katartishs, armodia gia na krinoyn einai ta dikasthria. Egw den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se ayth th diadikasia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn kai alla stoixeia sta syrtaria ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ths kybernhshs se sxesh me ypoqeseis adiafaneias opoy emplekontai prasina stelexh h stelexh ths kybernhshs Shmith klp;

ANTWNAROS: Sta syrtaria den yparxei tipota.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ennow mhpws exete sta xeria sas.

ANTWNAROS: Sta xeria mas kai sta syrtaria mas den yparxei tipota. Ola ta stoixeia molis erqoyn se gnwsh mas ta dhmosiopoioyme, opws prepei na ginei.

GKOYTZANHS: Afoy ola ta stoixeia molis erqoyn sta xeria sas ta dhmosiopoieite, kai to sygkekrimeno stoixeio to eixate apo to 2004, giati...

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh. Parapempw kai esas sth sygkekrimenh apanthsh poy exw dwsei epi toy qematos.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela mia ajiologikh erwthsh: H kybernhsh ti krinei ws pio shmantiko, ti ajiologei ws pio shmantiko; Thn katastrofh toy Eqnikoy Drymoy ths Parnhqas h tis, endexomenws kai pros to paron den exoyn apodeixqei, ypoptes energeies (den akoygetai);

ANTWNAROS: Allo qema to ena kai allo qema to allo. Kai den katalabainw ton ypainigmo poy kanete.

GKOYTZANHS: Den yparxei kanenas ypainigmos. Einai safhs erwthsh (den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Loipon, allo qema to ena kai allo qema to allo. Mia kybernhsh asxoleitai me polla qemata taytoxrona.

MELIGKWNHS: Skies den yparxoyn kai gia tis feromenes ws ypoptes synallages toy k. Koyrh, toy k. Doyka, gia thn politikh eyqynh toy k. Alogoskoyfh; Se ayth thn periptwsh...

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

MELIGKWNHS: Pws den yparxoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia politikh skia h politikh eyqynh. H apanthsh moy einai safhs: Oxi.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na epanelqw sto qema poy eqese h k. Korah sthn arxh. Tis proalles otan eixate klhqei na sxoliasete mia allh antidikia me entelws diaforetika xarakthristika metajy enos stelexoys toy PASOK kai mias allhs efhmeridas, eixate pei tote oti h kybernhsh yperaspizetai thn eleyqerotypia, thn eleyqeria toy Typoy ennow...

ANTWNAROS: Den htan akribws to idio. Oxi.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: ... me entelws diaforetika xarakthristika. To qema einai an me tis agwges ginetai ayto katorqwto.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka ep` aytoy toy qematos. Den exw na pw kati allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh kaqysterhsa na erqw, erwthqhkate kaqoloy gia thn enoxlhsh poy yparxei se koryfaioys Ypoyrgoys epeidh o k. Soyflias anagoreythke syntonisths gia meta thn katasbesh ths fwtias;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei kamia enoxlhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai ta dhmosieymata...

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw dhmosieymata. Egw den gnwrizw na yparxei kamia enoxlhsh, kamia ekpefrasmenh enoxlhsh gia to aytonohto. Dioti o k. Soyflias einai armodios, basei toy nomoy, gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Profanws, diafeygei ths prosoxhs kapoiwn oti yparxei foreas diaxeirishs toy Eqnikoy Drymoy ths Parnhqas, poy systhqhke me to nomo 2742 toy 1999 epi kybernhsews PASOK. Kai o opoios nomos ypagei ton Eqniko Drymo ths Parnhqas sth dikaiodosia, thn armodiothta toy ypoyrgoy Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn. Ayto kai mono dinei mia apolytws peistikh apanthsh gia to syntonistiko rolo poy exei analabei gia to sygkekrimeno antikeimeno o k. Soyflias. Einai to aytonohto. Ekplhjh qa prokaloyse mia diaforetikh ejelijh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, oi diarroes einai ek toy ponhroy.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw an yparxoyn diarroes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oi diarroes yparxoyn, alla an einai ek toy ponhroy...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai diko sas qema. Egw gnwrizw tis epishmes topoqethseis apo tis opoies den gnwrizw na prokyptei kapoia enoxlhsh.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mia kai eimaste sto qema twn pyrkagiwn, qelw na sas rwthsw, emfanizetai wstoso h kybernhsh na kanei mia proseggish mesw twn koryfaiwn Ypoyrgwn poy ypodeiknyei safws eyqynes sthn pleyra ths Pyrosbestikhs. Na sas pw giati. Xqes, o k. Soyflias eipe oti oi dromoi htan anoiktoi. Ara, h Politikh Prostasia eixe kanei th doyleia ths. Giati den sbhsthke h fwtia; Profanws, giati den eftasan mexri ekei oi pyrosbestes. Xqes, o k. Paylopoylos, epishs, eipe oti o k. Foyrlas kanei para poly kala th doyleia toy, xwris na aqwwsei plhrws thn Pyrosbestikh. Eseis qewreite oti epixeirhsiaka h Pyrosbestikh epitelese sto akeraio to rolo ths kata th diarkeia ths pyrkagias;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei jana kai jana se ayto to qema. Sas parapempw sth xqesinh ektenestath anakoinwsh Typoy ths Pyrosbestikhs Yphresias, toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos, sthn opoia perigrafontai me analytiko tropo ola ta sxetika qemata.

SPYRAKH: Den sas rwtw kati epixeirhsiako, sas rwtw kati politiko: Ean h kybernhsh einai...

ANTWNAROS: To qema, omws, einai epixeirhsiako.

SPYRAKH: ... ean einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo tis epidoseis ths Pyrosbestikhs, apo thn epixeirhsiakh ths apotelesmatikothta. Ayto rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sthn anakoinwsh toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw qa epanelqw: Giati twra bgazete ta stoixeia ta opoia xarakthrizete epibaryntika kai aforoyn ton k. Papakwnstantinoy, otan o Proedros ton opoio h dikh sas kybernhsh topoqethse sto Tameio Eqnikhs Odopoiias, o k. Delhmhtsos, yposthrije oti apo ton Dekembrio toy 2004 eixe enhmerwsei kai ton k. Doyka kai ton k. Soyflia; Pws, loipon, h kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos ta emaqan twra, treisimish xronia meta;

ANTWNAROS: Twra pia eimai apolytws pepeismenos oti den exete diabasei to proxqesino briefing!

MELIGKWNHS: Shmera, sto radiofwno ``STO KOKKINO'' o boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Miltiadhs Barbitsiwths dhlwse oti qa perimene apo kapoioys epixeirhsiakoys paragontes na timhsoyn ta galonia toys kai na paraithqoyn gia thn katastrofh sthn Parnhqa. Symfwnei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KAKALHS: Tis proalles eixate arnhqei oti ginontai basanisthria sthn EL.AS. kai ta eixate apokalesei alliws, ``memonwmena peristatika'', ``askhsh bias''. Omws, h eisaggelikh diwjh poy askhqhke xqes mila sygkekrimena gia basanisthria kai alles prosboles ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias. Mhpws qelete na anakalesete thn proxqesinh sas...

ANTWNAROS: Egw pisteyw oti einai askhsh bias. Apagoreymenh askhsh bias, apolytws katadikastea apo oloys. Kai to logo twra exei h Dikaiosynh, opws prepei na ton exei.

KAKALHS: H politikh topoqethsh, ean moy epitrepete, ypodhlwnei kai to oti sygkalyptete ta basanisthria.

ANTWNAROS: Lypamai ean ayto katalabate. Giati katalabate laqos.

KAKALHS: Ayto eipate. Giati o eisaggeleas mila gia basanisthria kai eseis lete oti den yparxoyn basanisthria. Ayto lete.

ANTWNAROS: Epimenete sth lejh kai oxi sthn oysia...

KAKALHS: Oxi. Einai qema politikhs oysias.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh einai qema oysias, egw qelw na rwthsw: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Organismos Hnwmenwn Eqnwn exei dwsei enan orismo gia ta basanisthria. Den qa sas ton pw egw. Mporeite na ton breite.

ANTWNAROS: Wraia. Qa anatrejw.

GKOYTZANHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh den ton dexetai ayton; Einai apo tis... (den akoygetai) Synqhkes.

ANTWNAROS: Askhsh tetoioy eidoys bias se memonwmena peristatika, apo ligoys andres ths EL.AS., einai apolytws katadikastea, alla den xarakthrizei se kamia periptwsh th megalh pleiochfia kai to synolo twn andrwn kai gynaikwn poy yphretoyn sthn EL.AS..

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes, ektos apo tis kataggelies poy diatypwse o k. Manwlhs se baros ths syzygoy toy Genikoy Dieyqynth toy PASOK, yphrjan kai kataggelies apo thn pleyra toy idioy boyleyth gia thn grammatea toy k. Eyqymioy. Kai o k. Eyqymioy ebgale mia apanthsh, milhse gia lasph. Eseis, kat` arxhn ws kybernhsh, symmerizeste aytes tis kataggelies poy ekane o k. Manwlhs;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas pw kati poly aplo: Ekeinoi gia toys opoioys yparxoyn skies, oi opoies edrazontai panw se stoixeia, exoyn ypoxrewsh na apanthsoyn sthn oysia kai oxi na katafeygoyn se apanthseis oi opoies einai genikologes kai den qigoyn thn oysia twn sygkekrimenwn stoixeiwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto afora kai thn periptwsh gia thn opoia sas rwthsa k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Einai safhs h topoqethsh moy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Einai genikhs fysews. Omws egw sas rwthsa gia tis sygkekrimenes kataggelies se baros toy ekproswpoy Typoy toy PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa molis.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin ligo o k. Polydwras sth Boylh, milwntas gia thn katastrofh sthn Parnhqa, eipe oti h katastrofh den einai apolyth, epipleon den mporoyse na apofeyxqei, enw ekane logo kai gia kakodaimonikh yparjh twn pylwnwn ths DEH. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tis sygkekrimenes dhlwseis poy, opws eipate, eginan pro oligoy sth Boylh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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