Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-05-29

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 29 Maioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 75875001

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 29 Maioy 2007

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei, ayrio stis 10.00, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Geniko Grammatea toy Organismoy gia thn Oikonomikh Synergasia kai Anaptyjh k. Anxel Gkoyria.

" Opws gnwrizete, prin apo ligo oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Kai eidikotera, nomosxedio poy afora ston trapeziko xwro kai entassei sto eswteriko mas Dikaio koinotikes odhgies, oi opoies dieykolynoyn sto ergo toys, toso tis epoptikes arxes, oso kai tis epopteyomenes epixeirhseis. To nomosxedio perilambanei qemata kefalaiakhs eparkeias twn epixeirhsewn ependysewn kai twn pistwtikwn idrymatwn kai proteinontai nees meqodoi askhshs ths epopteias apo tis armodies epoptikes arxes. O Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn exei dwsei hdh leptomereies stoys dhmosiografoys poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh, k. Ypoyrge, katalaba oti mesw aytoy toy plaisioy, qa epiteyxqei h filodojeite na epiteyxqei, meiwsh ths calidas anamesa sta epitokia xorhghsewn kai kataqesewn, ena qema to opoio syzhtame epi xronia. Mporei pragmati ena nomoqetiko plaisio h mia koinotikh odhgia na epityxei kati tetoio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, sthn agora o antagwnismos einai ekeinos o opoios kaqorizei polla pragmata. Me ayto to nomosxedio, to opoio, opws eipa, entassei odhgies ths Koinothtas -poy exoyn problhmatisei oxi mono th dikh mas xwra, alla kai alles koinotikes xwres- ta pragmata problepetai na einai kalytera. Dhladh, einai pio aisiodojh h optikh me thn opoia mporei na dei kapoios, eite einai ependyths kai qelei na anoijei mia epixeirhsh eite aplws daneiolhpths, ta pragmata apo edw kai pera.

XIWTHS: Apo th stigmh poy, opws lete kai eseis  kai etsi einai- o antagwnismos einai eleyqeros, ti qa einai ayto poy qa anagkasei tis trapezes na meiwsoyn ta kerdh toys; Giati peri aytoy prokeitai. Ean meiwqei h calida metajy xorhghsewn kai kataqesewn sta epitokia, qa meiwqoyn ta kerdh twn trapezwn. Pws einai dynaton na epiteyxqei ayto kai pws to proejoflei o ypoyrgos, proanaggellontas to... ;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H eyrwpaikh empeiria einai ekeinh poy dinei thn apanthsh.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw kat` arxhn, ean qewreite oti h epiqesh poy ginetai apo thn pleyra toy Typoy se baros toy proswpoy toy Genikoy Grammatea k. Koyrh, einai apolytws adikh. Metaferw, gia na mh qewreite oti dhmioyrgw entypwseis, meros ths dhlwshs toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti einai adikh epiqesh, poly perissotero poy o Genikos Grammateas, apo th qesh poy katexei, frontise wste to daneio ayto poy synhfqh metajy toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai ths JP Morgan na einai me epwfeleis oroys, pragma profanes gia opoion gnwrizei kai exei melethsei to qema, gia to ellhniko Dhmosio. H epiqesh epanalambanei mia seira apo fhmes, xwris na yparxei oysia se aytes, gia na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti o Prwqypoyrgos h kapoios allos armodios ypoyrgos den ejedwse kapoia anakoinwsh gia thn tragwdia me ta tosa qymata sto Loysio potamo, oyte kan gia na ekfrasei th qlich toy stoys syggeneis twn qymatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ekfrash qlichs stoys syggeneis twn qymatwn einai dedomenh. Opws einai dedomeno to oti apo thn prwth stigmh, o kratikos mhxanismos leitoyrghse kai synexizei na leitoyrgei grhgora kai me swsta syntonismenes kinhseis.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla pisteyete oti den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes oyte gia thn idrysh, leitoyrgia kai elegxo twn etaireiwn poy drasthriopoioyntai sto xwro ayto twn extreme sports, opws lene;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia nea morfh toyrismoy kai perihghsewn, me stoixeia eidikwn morfwn aqlhtismoy, h opoia ejaplwnetai ragdaia, oxi mono sthn Ellada, alla kai se olh thn ypoloiph Eyrwph kai ston ypoloipo kosmo. Meletwntai ola ta sxetika stoixeia. H Ellada einai apo tis prwtes xwres poy sto plaisio ths diypoyrgikothtas exei dhmioyrghsei, edw kai kairo, sxetikh omada ergasias, h opoia meleta ean kai kata poso kai poia morfh einai xrhsimo na labei tyxon qespish nomoqetikwn ryqmisewn. Qelw na symplhrwsw sto reportaz sas oti yparxoyn hdh 70 aqlhtika swmateia, ta opoia leitoyrgoyn organwmena gyrw apo xwroys tetoioy eidoys aqlhshs. Organwmena malista kai se omospondies. Qa mporoysan kapoioi na metexoyn mesa apo ayta ta organwmena se omospondies aqlhtika swmateia. O ragdaios tropos me ton opoio anaptyssontai, exei odhghsei sthn anagkh poy sas eipa prohgoymenws, kati to opoio den isxyei mono sthn Ellada, alla kai se polles alles eyrwpaikes xwres.

SPYRAKH: Ayto, k. Ekproswpe, ean moy epitrepete, epeidh xqes ekana ena sxetiko reportaz, gnwrizete  ypoqetw- oti gia na dhmioyrghqei mia etaireia h opoia diorganwnei ekdromes kai perihghsh, opws ayth h moiraia ston potamo Loysio, apaiteitai mono mia adeia apo thn oikeia Nomarxia kai h ekdosh twn analogwn parastatikwn oti parexei, h etaireia ayth, yphresies. Skopeyei h kybernhsh, estw kai meta apo ayto to tragiko peristatiko, na mpei sth diadikasia ths dhmioyrgias kanonwn poy aforoyn sthn asfaleia; Dioti ayto poy mas eipate prin gia ta 70 swmateia  kai sygnwmh poy anaferomai sto qema- alla apo oso gnwrizw apo to yfypoyrgeio Aqlhtismoy, to kanioningk, ayto poy xqes, proxqes synebh kai eixe apotelesma ayto to dystyxhma, den entassetai se kapoio organwmeno aqlhma h swmateio, toylaxiston apo ayta poy exei ypoch toy to yfypoyrgeio Aqlhtismoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, gi` ayto sas eipa prohgoymenws oti h Ellada einai apo tis prwtes xwres -giati sas lew oti antistoixa fainomena parathroyntai se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres- poy sto plaisio ths diypoyrgikothtas, exei dhmioyrghsei edw kai kairo, sxetikh omada ergasias h opoia meleta to qema. Dhladh, den einai kati poy jekina me aformh to sygkekrimeno tragiko symban. Exei hdh jekinhsei mia doyleia poy ginetai apo ta synarmodia ypoyrgeia, prokeimenoy na kaqoristei sto telos, ean kai kata poso prepei na ginoyn qesmikes ryqmiseis.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Arxiepiskopos epeteqh, apo ambwnos malista, enantion twn kommatwn toy 2% kai toy 3%, opws eipe, alla kai enantion aytwn poy chfizoyn ayta ta kommata kai ta bazoyn sth Boylh. Qewrw koinotopo oti kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs, ola ta kommata poy pianoyn to orio, prepei na mpainoyn sth Boylh. H erwthsh moy, loipon, einai ean kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs epitrepetai o k. Xristodoylos na kommatizetai, parembainontas se zhthmata poy einai ston pyrhna toy politikoy systhmatos, opws poia kommata prepei na ekproswpoyntai kai poia den prepei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den sxoliazw tis dhlwseis toy Arxiepiskopoy kai to gnwrizete.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw dyo erwthmata se o,ti afora thn periodeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Prwton, ean mporeite kapoia stigmh poy qa to exete (den akoygetai) na mas dwsete to kostos epishmws kai deyteron, ti apantate politika sto politiko erwthma to oti mia prwqypoyrgikh periodeia xrhsimopoihqhke ws mia proeklogikh fiesta kai syndeqhke amesa kai me thn enarjh ths proeklogikhs periodoy sthn Ellada. Eyxaristw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na synennooymaste sta ellhnika, otan lete ``periodeia'', poy anafereste akribws;

KORAH: Sth Nea Zhlandia, sygkekrimena kai thn Aystralia. Stoys omogeneis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste, loipon, sthn epishmh episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Gnwrizete oti ``periodeia'' sta ellhnika -ta dika moy toylaxiston kai fantazomai kai sta dika sas dhmosiografika ellhnika- einai kati teleiws diaforetiko apo thn epishmh episkech enos Prwqypoyrgoy se files xwres. Eidika gia to qema ths Aystralias kai ths Neas Zhlandias, qelw na shmeiwsw oti o Ellhnismos einai arketa isxyros. Yparxoyn sth N. Zhlandia kai thn Aystralia ekatontades xiliades Ellhnwn poy mporei na proseggizoyn kai to ena ekatommyrio. H episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai profanes gia poioys logoys egine. To gnwrizete. Opws ginontai epishmes episkeceis se polles alles xwres. Ws ek toytoy, qewrw ypotimhtiko na anafereste me ayth th fraseologia se mia epishmh episkech. Ta loipa ta opoia prospaqoyn na syndyasoyn thn opoiadhpote...

KORAH: Ean moy epitrepete, den eixa kamia proqesh gia na milhsw ypotimhtika k. Ekproswpe. Metaferw kapoia kritikh poy askeitai ston Prwqypoyrgo apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Den einai kako ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai eleyqerh h kritikh na askeitai, arkei na bazoyme ta pragmata sth qesh toys. Milame, loipon, gia thn epishmh episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy ekei opoy den eixe episkefqei Prwqypoyrgos, edw kai para polla xronia, Ellhnes polites. Ellhnes poy zoyn, drasthriopoioyntai, doyleyoyn, megalwnoyn ta paidia toys kai ta eggonia toys makria apo thn patrida.

KAKALHS: Mhpws exete eikona gia to kostos kalychs ths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy se aytes tis xwres apo thn ERT; Giati grafontai diafora gia to polyplhqes ths apostolhs k.t.l.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa kai egw diafora. Ekeino to opoio einai bebaio einai oti den akoloyqhqhke kamia idiaiterh politikh se o,ti afora thn ERT, apo thn politikh poy akoloyqeitai se tajidia Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy ths Dhmokratias edw kai para polla xronia. Se o,ti afora to kostos, mias kai anaferqhke h k. Korah, gia na mh qewrhqei oti den apantw -diabasa kai egw kapoio dhmosieyma, toylaxiston ena, den jerw ean yphrxe kai deytero gia to kostos-...

KORAH: Yphrxan kai prohgoymena apo antapokriseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Qa pame sta aytonohta. Prin pame sta aytonohta, qa dieykrinisw oti to kostos ths diamonhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths epishmhs antiproswpeias kalyfqhke apo thn kybernhsh poy proskalei. Dioti, epanalambanw, prokeitai gia epishmh episkech kai oxi gia periodeia, opws eipate prohgoymenws. Gnwrizete poly kala oti to kostos twn tajidiwn exei meiwqei, kaqws oi symmetexontes, oi peran twn politikwn proswpwn, edw kai tria xronia kataballoyn to kostos toy aeroporikoy eisithrioy, pragma to opoio den synebaine sto parelqon.

POYLIDOY: Qelw, se synexeia ths erwthshs toy k. Kyritsh, na sas rwthsw ean qewreite, pera apo tis dhlwseis toy Arxiepiskopoy, oti einai symbato me to rolo toy Arxiepiskopoy h ypodeijh sto poimnio toy ti prepei na chfizei o kaqenas.

ROYSOPOYLOS; Epanalambanw oti den qa kanw kanena sxolio.

POYLIDOY: Gia th diakrish twn ejoysiwn den mporeite na kanete sxolio, k. Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antelhfqhn to erwthma ``ean exei na kanei me th diakrish twn ejoysiwn''. Lew oti den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

POYLIDOY: Einai stis armodiothtes toy Arxiepiskopoy na ypodeiknyei ti prepei na chfizei to eklogiko swma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimaste se mia eleyqerh Dhmokratia. H diatypwsh logoy kai malista dhmosia, einai eleyqerh. Kaqenas krinetai analoga me to logo poy diatypwnei. Den antilambanomai to erwthma sas. Pisteyete oti yparxoyn polites poy den exoyn to dikaiwma na diatypwsoyn dhmosia apoch; Sth Dhmokratia mas, egw pisteyw oti isxyei to entelws antiqeto. Kaqe poliths mporei na diatypwsei dhmosia apoch. Mporei kapoios na symfwnei h na diafwnei mazi toy, alla na sterhqei to dikaiwma apo kapoion polith na diatypwsei dhmosia apoch, den nomizw oti briskei oyte ki esas symfwnh.

POYLIDOY: Opoiosdhpote poliths einai o Arxiepiskopos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oloi oi polites einai isoi enwpion toy Syntagmatos.

SPYRAKH: Dedomenoy oti shmera sth Boylh o k. Polydwras eishgeitai to nomosxedio gia thn epanidrysh ths agrofylakhs, qa hqela na rwthsw ean exete eykola diaqesimoys toys ariqmoys twn proslhfqentwn, posoi apo aytoys qa proslhfqoyn se prwth fash, posoi apo aytoys proerxontai apo ton katalogo poy yparxei apo thn kybernhsh Mhtsotakh kai ean qelete na kanete kapoio sxolio sxetika me tis plhrofories poy yparxoyn apo thn pleyra toy PASOK oti se periptwsh poy to PASOK ginei kybernhsh, to swma ayto poy shmera eseis epixeireite na idrysete mesw ths apofashs ths Boylhs, qa katarghqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oti to PASOK mas exei synhqisei se mia isopedwsh politikwn, ayto einai kati poy to exei katagracei h neoterh istoria. Oxi se oles tis ekfanseis toy, alla sigoyra se mia isopedwtikh logikh thn opoia ekfrazei kai ayth h apoch poy eipate. Kata ta loipa, eimai bebaios oti qa ginei analytikh syzhthsh sth Boylh kai qa doqoyn ekei ta stoixeia poy moy anaferete.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h efhmerida ``Eleyqerotypia'' sto kyriakatiko fyllo ths, egrafe oti sthn ypo kratiko elegxo etaireia LARKO apo to 2004, otan anelabe h Nea Dhmokratia mexri kai shmera, oi dieyqyntes exoyn ayjhqei apo toys 14 stoys 50, tines de ej aytwn exoyn analabei aytes tis qeseis me parembash toy prwqypoyrgikoy grafeioy. Qelw to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora ton ariqmo twn dieyqyntwn, den qa kanw kanena sxolio. Kaqe etaireia exei to diko ths tropo dioikhshs. Den gnwrizw kan poios einai o ariqmos kai ola einai anoikta ston koinoboyleytiko elegxo. Se o,ti afora to deytero shmeio, qa sas anagnwsw thn epistolh poy esteile o dieyqynths toy Politikoy Grafeioy k. Aggeloy pros ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs kai h opoia anaferei: ``Kyrie Ypoyrge, sas diabibazoyme to aithma toy k. Antwnh Mpazwth, Dhmarxoy Massapiwn kai parakaloyme gia tis dikes sas energeies, afoy prohghqei h apo meroys sas, logw armodiothtas, aparaithth ajiologhsh''. Einai enas typos epistolwn ton opoio akoloyqei to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Yparxoyn ekatontades epistoles hmerhsiws. Exoyn lhfqei dekades xiliades epistolwn, se ayta ta tria xronia poy eimaste kybernhsh, apo to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, to opoio kai den parembainei, se kamia periptwsh, se opoiodhpote qema, para mono diabibazei tis epistoles kai opws blepete me thn idiaiterh epishmansh, afoy prohghqei h ajiologhsh toy sygkekrimenoy proswpoy.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me to sygkekrimeno diabibastiko feygoyn oles oi epistoles pros toys ypoyrgoys oses aforoyn aithmata proslhcewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me to diabibastiko na ginei elegxos kaqe ypoqesews feygoyn oi epistoles apo to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros toys armodioys ypoyrgoys. Gnwrizete oti den einai ta aithmata twn politwn paremferh. Yparxoyn diafora aithmata...

KYRITSHS: Nai, lew ayta poy einai gia proslhch.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn diafora aithmata se epistoles anqrwpwn oi opoioi briskoyn katafygh sto Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. To Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy kinei th diadikasia thn opoia sas eipa.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema twn omologwn. O Prwqypoyrgos sthn teleytaia omilia toy sth Boylh eixe milhsei gia aparadektes energeies s aythn thn ypoqesh. O ellhnikos laos pote den emaqe poies htan aytes oyte poioi tis dieprajan. Antiqeta, blepoyme mia prospaqeia -me aformh thn epanagora orismenwn omologwn apo trapezes- ths kybernhshs na kleisei to qema kai na sygkalycei thn olh ypoqesh. Pisteyete oti exei lamcei h alhqeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H shmerinh kybernhsh to mono poy den exei kanei se kamia antistoixh periptwsh einai na sygkalycei kapoio qema. To lew, giati sas qymizw pragmata ta opoia ta exoyme pei polles fores. O idios o Prwqypoyrgos anelyse to qema sth Boylh. Epishs exw milhsei polles fores s aythn thn aiqoysa opws exoyn kanei dhlwseis kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi. To mono gia to opoio den mporei na kathgorhsei kanenas thn kybernhsh ayth einai h sygkalych.

KAKALHS: Alla poies einai aytes oi aparadektes energeies stis opoies anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos. Pote qa tis maqoyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos htan safhs stis dhlwseis toy. Epishs htan safes oti: H Dikaiosynh asxoleitai me to qema, h Arxh gia thn katapolemhsh toy mayroy xrhmatos thn opoia idryse ayth h kybernhsh, asxoleitai me to qema. H Epitroph Kefalaiagoras thn opoia ayth h Kybernhsh enisxyse, asxolhqhke me to qema. Kai efere sth dhmosiothta, oti ena ek twn omologwn, to omologo twn dhmosiografwn, epestrafh kai to Tameio twn dhmosiografwn kerdise mesa se 10 mhnes 3.100.000 eyrw. Apo ekei poy to synqhma htan ``ferte ta lefta pisw'', diapistwnoyme oti oxi mono phgan pisw ta xrhmata toy kefalaioy, alla se 10 mhnes oi dhmosiografoi kerdisan 3.100.000 eyrw. Akoysame kai alles yperboles oloys aytoys toys mhnes poy kineitai ayth h ypoqesh. To mono bebaio einai oti ayth h kybernhsh den sygkalyce kai den prokeitai na sygkalycei tipota.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o boyleyths k. Polyzos, milwntas sto radiofwno toy ALPHA yposthrije metajy allwn oti yparxoyn kai alloi Agapioi kai alloi Eygenioi -etsi to eipe xarakthristika- oi opoioi den exoyn apomakrynqei kai paramenoyn ston kratiko mhxanismo. Pws sxoliazete eseis mia tetoia topoqethsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den kanw kanena sxolio. Opoios exei opoiodhpote stoixeio mporei na to kataqesei.

KORAH: O k. Polyzos eipe kai kati allo: Na elegxqoyn oloi oi ypochfioi boyleytes, oi kratikoi ajiwmatoyxoi se o,ti afora thn oikonomikh toys katastash se baqos 10 xronwn kai na symballei pros aythn thn kateyqynsh kai h EYP. Ayto pws to sxoliazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kanena sxolio. Ekeino to opoio qelw na shmeiwsw einai oti yparxei elegxos ``poqen esxes'' twn boyleytwn kai elegxos ``poqen esxes'' pollwn kratikwn ajiwmatoyxwn. Gnwrizete poly kala mia seira apo nomoys oi opoioi eginan ta teleytaia xronia gia ton elegxo twn ``poqen esxes''.

KORAH: H EYP qa mporoyse na symballei sto kalytero ergo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa hdh.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto qema toy omologoy kai pairnontas aformh kai apo thn apanthsh sas oti me to qema asxoleitai kai h Arxh gia thn katapolemhsh toy mayroy xrhmatos, thn opoia h kybernhsh idryse, qa hqela na sas rwthsw an politika qewreite oti mesw ths dhlwshs toy k. Alogoskoyfh oti einai adikh h epiqesh poy ginetai se baros toy Genikoy Grammatea thn opoia epanalabate kai eseis shmera edw apo thn enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn. An qewreite oti ayto to stoixeio den apotelei mia morfh politikoy mhnymatos pros thn Arxh kaqws o epikefalhs ths k. Zormpas feretai etoimos na kalesei ton Geniko Grammatea ews to telos ths ebdomadas pros ejetash.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw oyte kan to syllogismo poy sas odhgei sto erwthma. Ekeino to opoio qa hqela na gnwrizete einai oti o k. Koyrhs exei hdh steilei epistolh ston k. Zormpa, legontas oti aytonohtws einai sthn diaqesh toy na ton episkefqei kai na toy parasxei kaqe stoixeio poy qa bohqhsei thn ereyna toy.

GKOYTZANHS: Xeiropedes qa doyme telika s aythn thn ypoqesh; Exoyn perasei 3 mhnes alla oyte katalogismo eyqynwn exoyme dei, oyte kamia diwjh se kapoion ypeyqyno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas pw ti den qa deite s ayth thn ypoqesh: Den qa deite mia kybernhsh na sygkalyptei. Ayto poy blepate, epi seira etwn, den qa to deite.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na rwthsw to ejhs se sxesh me to sygkekrimeno dieyqynth ths LARKO, den exw sygkrathsei to onoma toy, alla moy ekane entypwsh poy peripoy qewreite oti htan fysiologiko gegonos oti xiliades epistoles aithmatwn dexetai to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio kai tis diabibazei armodiws. To logiko einai to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio na diabibazei aithmata, na kanei to diamesolabhth aithmatwn politwn h stelexwn pros armodia Ypoyrgeia, yphresies h na apanthsei sto sygkekrimeno oti den einai dikh mas doyleia, apeyqynqeite ston armodio forea; Den to katanow (den akoygetai) giati einai logiko kai en pash periptwsei otan fqanei mia epistolh apo to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio s ena ypoyrgeio h se mia yphresia kai leei parakaloyme gia ton kyrio, elegjte to plaisio toy nomimoy. Pws to eklambanei ayth h yphresia ayto to eggrafo apo to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poly apla opws grafetai sto eggrafo.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh prohgoymenws poy anaferqhkate sta xrhmata apo to omologo twn dhmosiografwn, eixate kai ena qriambiko tono sxetika me to kerdos, qelw na sas rwthsw an kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs, h epistrofh twn xrhmatwn alloiwnei ton poiniko xarakthra twn ypoqesewn aytwn. Dhladh an einai pio elafry to endexomeno adikhma efoson exei prohghqei h epistrofh twn xrhmatwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh den dikazei kanenan. Ekeino to opoio, epishs, gnwrizete -h ofeilete na gnwrizete- einai oti o poinikos kwdikas einai safhs. Dhladh, an yparxei opoiadhpote parabash toy kwdika, aytos o opoios ton exei parabei, qa plhrwsei me thn apofash poy qa labei h Dikaiosynh.

N.PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate dyo fores, an den apatwmai, oti h kybernhsh den sygkalyptei sto qema twn omologwn. Ayto poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai oti to PASOK diarkws leei, sas kathgorei pio swsta, oti den dinete to plhres keimeno twn diaforwn symbasewn. Giati ginetai ayto; Pote qa to dwsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw giati to PASOK to kanei. H mallon gnwrizw: Giati to PASOK exei epilejei na kinhqei politika, qewrwntas o,ti to symferei, panw se mia ypoqesh -opws ayth twn omologwn- h opoia mexri stigmhs exei anadeijei oles tis ptyxes toy qematos, exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas ola ta stoixeia. To PASOK qewrei oti ayto to ejyphretei kai gi ayto to kanei. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero gia ton tropo poy exei epilejei to PASOK na kinhqei politika sto opoiodhpote qema kai dh sto sygkekrimeno. Sas qymizw mono tis anakoloyqies stelexwn toy PASOK poy qriambika bghkan tis prwtes meres legontas oti poylhqhke ena omologo 300.000.000 eyrw kai emeinan 280.000.000 eyrw. Ara kapoy xaqhkan ta 20.000.000 eyrw. Sas qymizw oti ta elege ayta ychlobaqmo stelexos toy PASOK, agnowntas to yp ariqmon ena stoixeio: To omologo htan ycoys 280.000.000 eyrw kai oxi 300.000.000, opws elege.

KYRITSHS: To nomosxedio gia thn chfo twn omogenwn qa chfistei ap thn Boylh prin na kleisei h Olomeleia h molis jananoijei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh exei desmeytei na kataqesei to nomosxedio ayto sth Boylh se ayth th Synodo. Den jerw an qa prolabei o armodios Ypoyrgos. Isws einai etoimos ews otoy teleiwsei h Olomeleia. Dhladh, milame gia to telos Ioynioy, arxes Ioylioy. Den gnwrizw pote exei apofasistei na kleisoyn oi ergasies ths Olomeleias. Epishs, to bebaio einai oti xreiazontai ta 2/3 toy eklogikoy swmatos twn eklektorwn gia na perasei ena tetoio nomosxedio.

KYRITSHS: Protiqeste na kanete kapoies paraxwrhseis pros thn kateyqynsh poy zhtoyn ta kommata kai to SAE; Nomizw oti yparxei eniaia stash ths antipoliteyshs kai toy SAE se sxesh me ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diapistwnw mia prospaqeia toy PASOK na mhn chfistei to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio. Oi logoi poy to odhgoyn einai profaneis. Einai bebaio oti an den synainesei sto na chfistei ena nomosxedio poy dinei th dynatothta stoys Ellhnes poy zoyn makria apo ton topo toys na chfizoyn, tote to PASOK qa prepei na ejhghsei stoys Ellhnes poy zoyn makria apo ton topo toys giati arneitai na toys parasxei ena tetoio dikaiwma to opoio na qymisw to exoyn ean paroyn ena aeroplano kai tajidecoyn sthn patrida gia na chfisoyn.

KALARITHS: Eipate oti to Tameio twn dhmosiografwn me thn epistrofh toy omologoy exei kerdisei peri ta tria ekat. eyrw to de omologo twn 280 ekat eyrw htan 280 kai oxi 300 ekat eyrw, ara den leipoyn xrhmata apo kei. H kybernhsh qewrei oti ayth h diadikasia agoras twn omologwn htan epwfelhs gia ta asfalistika Tameia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino to opoio shmeiwsa htan oti yphrjan ychlobaqma stelexh toy PASOK poy edinan ceydh stoixeia apo thn arxh, eite apo proxeirothta kai agnoia eite apo skopimothta. As dialejoyn kai na mas poyn gia poioys logoys to ekanan. Kai epishs shmeiwsa oti se ena Tameio, to Tameio twn dhmosiografwn ena omologo poy agorasthke, epistrafhke me kerdos gia toys dhmosiografoys 3.100.000 eyrw. Qymizw epishs oti oi dhmosiografoi ekanan kai dyo 24wres apergies me to aithma ``ferte pisw ta lefta''. Kai epanalambanw: Oxi aplws phgan pisw sto Tameio twn dhmosiografwn ta lefta, alla kai me kerdos, se 10 mhnes, 3.100.000 xiliadwn eyrw. Ayto lew. Facta, dhladh gegonota, anaferw.

GKOYTZANHS: To erwthma omws einai an yphrjan promhqeies h poy phgan aytes oi promhqeies kai an yparxei kati paratypo se ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta maqhmatika en prokeimenw, einai apla: Oi dhmosiografoi agorasan ena omologo 130.000.000 eyrw kai se 10 mhnes kerdisan 3.100.000 eyrw. Phran pisw 133.100.000 eyrw. Se osoys elegan ta osa elegan, apeyqynw aytes tis epishmanseis, perimenontas thn elaxisth eyaisqhsia na bgoyn kai na zhthsoyn an oxi sygnwmh, na poyn oti   nai ayto synebh to opoio leei o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos to opoio allwste to eipan kai oi dhmosiografikes Enwseis. Den to lew mono egw.

MAYRIDHS: Ayto to kerdos twn 3 ekat. eyrw ofeiletai sth kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na kanete ligo pio ``liana'' to erwthma sas; Giati foboymai oti einai poly synqeto kai dysnohto kai den to katalaba.

MAYRIDHS: Lete oti agorasan ena omologo kai se 10 mhnes kerdisan 3 ekat... ..

ROYSOPOYLOS: ...100 xiliades eyrw.

MAYRIDHS: ... Ayto ofeiletai sth kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo poy prokyptei ayto; Giati den katalabainw giati me rwtate. Epanalambanw: Akoysthke oti xaqhkan lefta apo ta Tameia. Symfwnoyme mexris edw; Akoysthke polles fores to aithma. Kai malista o dhmosiografikos klados katebhke se dyo 24wres apergies me to aithma na pane ta lefta pisw sto Tameio. Malista. Ta lefta htan 130 ekat. eyrw. Phgan pisw 133 ekat. 100 xiliades eyrw. Exasan h kerdisan; Ayto to epanalambanw kai qa to epanalambanw gia na katadeijw thn proxeirothta me thn opoia orismenoi xeirizontai tetoia qemata.

KYRITSHS: k. Ekproswpe apo poion prepei na zhthsoyn sygnwmh oi dhmosiografoi poy eipate prohgoymenws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa: Na zhthsoyn sygnwmh aytoi oi opoioi kathgorhsan thn kybernhsh akrita...

KYRITSHS: ... oi dhmosiografoi metajy allwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa: Aytoi oi opoioi kathgorhsan thn kybernhsh akrita. Epanelaba, loipon, ta gegonota.

KYRITSHS: Apo thn kybernhsh na zhthsoyn sygnwmh; H kybernhsh parenebh gia na ginei ayth h istoria;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H texnikh ths propagandas thn opoia prospaqeite na anaptyjete me to erwthma sas, qa odhghsei sth synexeia se ena dhmosieyma poy qa leei oti o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos eipe stoys dhmosiografoys na zhthsoyn sygnwmh.

KYRITSHS: Oxi. Oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai apolytws bebaios oti ekei to phgainete.

KYRITSHS: Me adikeite.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqoloy, exw empistosynh sthn eyfyia sas kai tis propagandistikes sas ikanothtes. Egw, loipon, ekeino to opoio lew einai: Eginan dyo 24wres apergies apo toys dhmosiografoys. Malista. Eipwqhke polles fores pros thn kybernhsh oti prepei na epistrafoyn pisw ta lefta. ``Ferte pisw ta xamena'', htan to synqhma. Malista. Ta lefta twn dhmosiografwn htan 130.000.000 kai oi dhmosiografoi kerdisan se 10 mhnes, 3.100.000 eyrw. Ayta einai gegonota. Ta gegonota apeyqynontai pros osoys me proxeirothta h politikh skopimothta- den prosaptw alloy eidoys skopimothta- prospaqoyn na spekoylaroyn panw se ena qema to opoio me maqhmatikh akribeia apodeiknyetai opws sas to lew egw me toys ariqmoys poy eipa prohgoymenws.

KYRITSHS: H kybernhsh parenebh s ayto; Prokeimenoy na symbei ayth h epistrofh twn xrhmatwn parenebh h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh dexthke tis epiqeseis, akrites kai adikes. H zwh hrqe na apodeijei oti htan kai akrites kai adikes.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai ligo pio synqeto, nomizw, to erwthma kai gia to omologo twn dhmosiografwn kai gia to TEADY. Entajei to synqhma htan ``ferte pisw ta xamena h ta klemmena'' den exei shmasia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista.

GKOYTZANHS: Mia deyterh anagnwsh elege oti oi apodoseis aytwn twn xrhmatwn aytwn twn Tameiwn qa htan mikroteres apo ekeines poy qa mporoyse, poy qa eprepe, ean den yphrxe mia seira apo mesazontes kai megales promhqeies. Isws epeidh eleipa den exw parakoloyqhsei ean exei apanthqei kai ayto to erwthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas janalew oti, me anakoinwsh toy, to Tameio twn dhmosiografwn eipe oti agorazei pisw to omologo. To dinei pisw sthn Trapeza, h opoia to agorazei sthn timh ayth thn opoia anefera prohgoymenws. Bgalte ta symperasmata sas.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se kati allo, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada enas sympoliths mas apo th Qessalonikh dikaiwqhke apo to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn gia biaiopragia ek meroys astynomikwn. Kata symptwsh enas apo toys astynomikoys poy eixe anameixqei tote sto peristatiko, eixe anameixqei kai sto allo peristatiko, ekeino sth plateia Syntribanioy me qyma enan Kyprio foithth. Epeidh mas eixate anaggeilei tote apo ayto to bhma oti qa dienerghqei h mallon dienergeitai EDE eis baros twn astynomikwn, mhpws mporeite na mas plhroforhsete gia ta apotelesmata ayths EDE; Pollw mallon poy opws maqainw epikefalhs ths Asfaleias ths Qessalonikhs poy htan tote sto peristatiko sth plateia Syntribanioy metateqhke dysmenws sto Kilkis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia poio apo ta dyo peristatika lete gia thn EDE;

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Gia to peristatiko sthn plateia Syntribanioy me ton Kyprio foithth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Exete profanws na erqete poly kairo sto press room h den exete parakoloyqhsei ayta poy exw pei egw kai ayta poy exei pei o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs. Hdh edw kai poly kairo-mhnes exoyn anakoinwqei oi poines se ennea ajiwmatikoys kai astyfylakes. Einai gnwsto dhladh.

NASOPOYLOS: Kai mia proswpikh erwthsh. Enocei toy Synedrioy, eseis qa qelate na eiste ypochfios gia th qesh toy Grammatea toy kommatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalo meshmeri.

Sas eyxaristw.

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