Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-05-14

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 14 Maioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 73190379

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 14 Maioy 2007

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, Trith 15 Maioy, stis 11.00, synedriazei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, me qemata armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me dedomeno oti probeblhmena stelexh ths kybernhshs, opws o k. Sioyfas, o k. Abramopoylos, alla kai o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs k. L. Zagoriths eqesan to zhthma ths allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy sthn periptwsh poy to PASOK synainei, h kybernhsh meta thn aporrich ths protashs ayths, sxediazei na proxwrhsei monh ths se mia tetoia kinhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai gnwsth kai exei ekfrastei epaneilhmmena apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa hqela na ypenqymisw oti ta sygkekrimena stelexh ta opoia anaferate h orismena ej aytwn exoyn ekfrasei aytes tis qeseis, oi opoies allwste problepontai kai apo to Syntagma kai sto parelqon. Ekeino to opoio blepw einai oti yparxei mia yperantidrash kapoiwn apo topoqethseis stelexwn poy eixan allo nohma. H yperantidrash ayth prodidei agwnia kai paniko. Prodidei poso foboyntai aytoi poy qa einai deyteroi. H kybernhsh pantws den fobatai. Giati stis epomenes ekloges den qa einai deyterh. Qa einai prwth.

PALAIOLOGOS: Poly proeklogikh moy akoysthke ayth h anafora sas.

ANTWNAROS: Exete thn tash na blepete pantote ekloges. Gia tis ekloges isxyoyn osa sas exoyme pei.

GKOYTZANHS: Entajei, prwth lete oti qa einai h Nea Dhmokratia, wstoso eseis qelete kai isxyres kybernhseis kai o eklogikos nomos, me tis diafores poy sas dinoyn twra oi dhmoskophseis, den sas ejasfalizoyn kai kapoia isxyrh kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: As perimenete thn hmera twn eklogwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Twn fronimwn ta paidia prin peinasoyn mageireyoyn, kyrie Ekproswpe...

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh, opws jerete, kai o Prwqypoyrgos ths den aifnidiazoyn kanenan kai sebontai toys qesmoys. Alloi htan ekeinoi poy sto para pente allazan, analoga me tis anagkes toys, toys eklogikoys nomoys kai malista gia tis amesws epomenes ekloges.

NASOPOYLOS: Anejarthta apo tis proswpikes apoceis (den akoygetai) opws lete, twn stelexwn (den akoygetai)...

ANTWNAROS: Den xrhsimopoihsa egw th lejh ``proswpikes''. Egw eipa oti einai apoceis oi opoies exoyn ekfrastei me ayth th morfh kai alles fores apo ta idia stelexh.

NASOPOYLOS: Oxi apo oloys, o k. Abramopoylos einai nea...

ANTWNAROS: Eipa, orismena ej aytwn.

NASOPOYLOS: H erwthsh moy einai h ejhs: Yparxei ayth h apoch twn stelexwn. H kybernhsh apo thn pleyra ths protiqetai na proskalesei to PASOK na syzhthsoyn gi` allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy;

ANTWNAROS: Menw se ayta poy sas exw pei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Entajei, h kybernhsh den mporei na allajei monh ths to nomo, xwris th symbolh toy PASOK; Giati proteinoyn na ginei synainetikh allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na diabasete to Syntagma. Den qa kanw egw anafores se syntagmatikes pronoies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To Syntagma leei oti me synainesh allazei o eklogikos nomos;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na diabasete to Syntagma.

ROYMELIWTH: H kybernhsh exei proqesh, estw kai an den to kanei, etsi wste na isxysei stis epomenes ekloges, me synainesh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, entos ayths ths kybernhtikhs qhteias, na proxwrhsei se mia metarryqmish poy qa perilambanei mia metatroph, mia allagh, mia metarryqmish toy eklogikoy nomoy;

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei o Prwqypoyrgos ep` aytoy.

KAKALHS: Ta kybernhtika stelexh poy milhsan gia thn allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy proballoyn to epixeirhma ths aneths aytodynamias. Mporeite na mas peite, ti th qelei h kybernhsh ayth thn aneth aytodynamia, me dedomeno oti me ton isxyonta eklogiko nomo einai sxedon apiqano na mhn yparxei aytodynamia, afoy yparxei ena dwro 40 edrwn sto prwto komma; Thn aneth pleiochfia, thn aneth aytodynamia, ti th qelei h kybernhsh; Mhpws exei na kanei ayto me tis apofaseis ths, dhladh me tis apofaseis poy prokeitai na parei sto asfalistiko, stis apokratikopoihseis klp.;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws jerete, se ola ta megala qemata - kai ayto to exei apodeijei sthn prajh-- zhtei, alla kai kanei prajh to dialogo, epidiwkei th megisth dynath synainesh kai en pash periptwsei, proxwrei sthn pragmatopoihsh twn programmatikwn ths desmeysewn, sta plaisia ths entolhs poy ths exei dwsei o ellhnikos laos.

KAKALHS: Mia aplh aytodynamia, sto baqmo poy h politikh ths kybernhshs enarmonizetai me ta laika aisqhmata, den qa eixe kanena problhma. Thn aneth, giati th qelete; Epeidh qa einai antilaikes oi apofaseis ths epomenhs tetraetias;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ekeino poy den exw katalabei einai, poy apodidei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti ta idia ayta stelexh apo kairoy eis kairon epanerxontai se ayth thn topoqethsh, petwntas to ganti sto PASOK na symfwnhsei se ayth thn allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy; Dhladh, an katalabainw, to exoyn pei, egw symfwnw, kai o k. Sioyfas to exei pei sto parelqon kai o k. Meimarakhs kai kapoioi alloi, giati epanerxontai, ayto den katalabainw.

ANTWNAROS: Ekane pro oligoy dhlwsh ep` aytoy kai o k. Sioyfas. Diabaste tis dhlwseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ekane shmera o k. Sioyfas;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qelw omws thn apoch ths kybernhshs, th dikh sas.

ANTWNAROS: Egw, ws Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, topoqethqhka kai sas eipa oti kalon einai na mhn parafrazontai, na mhn allazoyn kapoioi to nohma oswn exoyn pei ta stelexh ayta. Shmasia exei ekeino poy diapistwnw egw: Oti diakatexontai apo mia poly megalh agwnia, enan poly megalo paniko, ena poly megalo fobo, ekeinoi oi opoioi fainetai, me sigoyria, oti perimenoyn na einai deyteroi. Dhladh, to PASOK. Tetoia agwnia den exei h shmerinh kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to qema to qetoyn ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias, den to qetoyn ta stelexh toy PASOK. Poy thn eidate thn agwnia ths antipoliteyshs;

ANTWNAROS: Thn agwnia ths antipoliteyshs th blepw ston tropo antidrashs, se orismenes idees. Jerete, sth Dhmokratia oi idees syzhtoyntai, ginontai protaseis. Afaireite eseis apo ta stelexh to dikaiwma na exoyn apoceis;

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto lew.

NASOPOYLOS: Exw thn ejhs aporia, k. Ekproswpe: Gia ton Prwqypoyrgo, to eipate kai nwritera, einai gnwstes oi dhmosies dhlwseis toy. To qema exei kleisei toy eklogikoy nomoy. Den peiqontai oi koryfaioi Ypoyrgoi, ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai epanerxontai se ayto to qema; Gia poio logo anakyklwnetai ayto to qema, thn wra poy exei kleisei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste tis dhlwseis twn stelexwn prosektika, kaqws kai th dhlwsh poy ekane, shmera, o k. Sioyfas. Kai egw ejakoloyqw na lew oti shmantikos einai o fobos, h agwnia, o panikos poy bgainei apo tis tajeis toy PASOK. To PASOK leei, alla profanws den pisteyei oti mporei na kerdisei tis ekloges.

LEONTITSH: Se allo qema. Shmera, se kapoio dhmosieyma efhmeridas anaferetai oti epta domhmena omologa ekdoqhkan to prwto trimhno toy 2005 kai to prwto ejamhno toy 2006, ycoys 1,5 dis eyrw kai oti ayta den katagrafontai sta apografika deltia toy ODDHX. Poios einai o logos poy den katagrafhkan;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ean oi plhrofories aytes tis opoies moy metaferete --oxi eseis, ws anagrafomenes ston Typo-- antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Jerw oti throyntai gia ola ta omologa oi diatajeis poy problepontai. Gia perissoteres plhrofories, parakalw apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

MPESKENHS: Se allo qema, epishs. Exw thn entypwsh oti h xwra mas emfanizetai mallon apomonwmenh, sxetika me to zhthma toy Patriarxeioy, me th sthrijh. Exei kapoio sxolio me tis ejelijeis h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, hdh apo xqes exei kanei sxetikh dhlwsh o ekproswpos Typoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Giwrgos Koymoytsakos sthn opoia kai sas parapempw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den qewreite kaqysterhmenh thn antidrash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, toy k. Koymoytsakoy en prokeimenw, se ayth thn istoria; Dhladh, ean katalabainw kala, h politikh einai h texnh ths problechs, den eixe problefqei mia tetoia antidrash ek meroys ths Iordanias poy sto katw ths grafhs htan kai h monh poy eixe anagnwrisei ton Patriarxh;

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw jana sth dhlwsh toy k. Koymoytsakoy. Kai prosqetw ta ejhs: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, h ellhnikh Politeia parakoloyqei osa symbainoyn apo konta, stena, me idiaitero endiaferon, symparasteketai sto qesmo toy Patriarxeioy kai kanei o,ti einai anqrwpinws dynaton gia na ton enisxysei. Sas ypenqymizw, ejalloy, oti thn perasmenh ebdomada yphrjan, pera apo thn poly energo paroysia twn diplwmatikwn yphresiwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn sthn perioxh, kai thlefwnikes epikoinwnies, toso ths Ypoyrgoy k. Mpakogiannh me ton Iordano omologo ths kai me ton Patriarxh, oso kai toy armodioy Yfypoyrgoy k. Kassimh me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Palaistiniakhs Arxhs. Pera apo ayto h k. Mpakogiannh qa synanthqei shmera, sto periqwrio mias dieqnoys Diaskechs poy ginetai stis Bryjelles, me ton Iordano Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, kaqws kai ton Palaistinio Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, me antikeimeno, metajy twn allwn, kai to sygkekrimeno qema.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh symparistatai sto qesmo toy Patriarxeioy.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Symparistatai kai sto proswpo, to opoio ayth th stigmh einai epikefalhs;

ANTWNAROS: O qesmos toy Patriarxeioy ekfrazetai kai apo ton Prokaqhmeno toy Patriarxeioy. To Patriarxeio einai to meizon.

GKOYTZANHS: Sto qema twn omologwn, k. Ekproswpe, yparxoyn kai plhrofories oti oi ypeyqynoi ths AKROPOLIS XRHMATISTHRIAKHS, poy enexetai se olh ayth thn istoria, proeidopoioyn thn kybernhsh oti qa anoijoyn ta stomata toys kai endexomenws qa poyne kai alla proswpa ta opoia emplekontai. Fantazomai oti tis exei ypoch ths aytes tis plhrofories h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia tetoia plhroforia. En pash periptwsei, h kybernhsh exei antapokriqei me ton kalytero dynato tropo se ola ta epipeda, sto sygkekrimeno qema.

KAKALHS: Mias kai eimaste sto qema twn omologwn, me aformh thn ayrianh apergia poy exoyn khryjei ta syndikata, h kybernhsh aisqanetai oti exei apanthsei sta zhthmata poy exoyn teqei; Dhladh, oi asfalismenoi akoma, dyomish mhnes meta, den jeroyn poio einai to megeqos ths zhmias poy exei ginei sta Tameia kai pws qa anaplhrwqei, qa antikatastaqei ayto. H kybernhsh pote qa dwsei apanthseis se ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme dwsei oles tis plhrofories poy apaitoyntai kai kyriws exoyme diabebaiwsei oloys toys Ellhnes asfalismenoys oti den yparxei kaneis apolytws logos anhsyxias, oson afora sta asfalistika toys kai ta syntajiodotika toys dikaiwmata. Opws gnwrizete, h ereyna, se dikastiko epipedo, synexizetai.

NASOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw epishs gia ta omologa to ejhs, epeidh kai se ayto to qema 2,5 mhnes eimaste se anamonh mias apanthshs...

ANTWNAROS: Apanthshs apo poy;

NASOPOYLOS: Apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei dwsei oles tis apanthseis. Sas exei pei kai o k. Roysopoylos epaneilhmmenws oti ayth th stigmh oi dikastikes arxes diejagoyn thn ereyna. Oi dikastikes arxes den leitoyrgoyn me xronoys dhmosiografikoys.

NASOPOYLOS: Anejarthta apo thn ereyna twn dikastikwn arxwn einai kai aithma ths antipoliteyshs, ap` o,ti diapistwnoyme, pleon. Yparxei to ejhs: Skopeyei h kybernhsh na dwsei enan epishmo pinaka me ta domhmena omologa poy exoyn ekdoqei, thn timh ekdoshs toys kai posa omologa katelhjan apo ayta sta Tameia kai se ti timh... ;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn doqei, ej oswn gnwrizw, ta perissotera ej aytwn twn stoixeiwn poy anaferate apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh to teleytaio diasthma emfanizontai diafora dhmosieymata kai kataggelies kyriws apo thn pleyra toy PASOK kai toy boyleyth toy, toy k. Kaxrimakh gia ton gio toy k. Kedikogloy, nomizw oti o k. Kaxrimakhs epimenei kai kataggellei oti paroti exei zhthqei na yparjei elegxos apo tis armodies forologikes arxes, to palai pote SDOE, telos pantwn, den exei ginei akomh oson afora ta perioysiaka stoixeia toy Proedroy toy Areioy Pagoy kai toy gioy toy.

ANTWNAROS: Poy to zhtaei o k. Kaxrimakhs ayto;

PALAIOLOGOS: Nomizw oti to zhtaei pantiotropws qa elega kai koinoboyleytika kai ejwkoinoboyleytika.

ANTWNAROS: Koinoboyleytika, opws gnwrizete, akoloyqeitai h synhqhs diadikasia. Gia ta alla stoixeia exei topoqethqei h kybernhsh. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia na meinw sto qema toy k. Kedikogloy, xqes h efhmerida TO PRWTO QEMA apokalyce oti o gios toy Proedroy toy Areioy Pagoy einai diorismenos se Epitroph toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. Den dhmioyrgei ayto ena qema hqikhs tajhs, ena qema sxesewn ths hgesias toy Anwtatoy Dikasthrioy me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs kai qema anejarthsias ths Dikaiosynhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den to blepw etsi. To Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs apo ton Martio toy 2004, afotoy dhladh anelabe thn eyqynh kai th diakybernhsh ths xwras h shmerinh kybernhsh, exei systhsei synolika anw twn 70 Nomoparaskeyastikwn Epitropwn stis opoies metexoyn panw apo 300 melh, dikastikoi, kaqhghtes Panepisthmioy kai dikhgoroi. Se kaqe Epitroph, to synhqes einai na perilambanontai oxi mono palaioi kai empeiroi dikhgoroi alla kai neoi, oi opoioi analambanoyn thn ereyna, th syllogh nomikwn stoixeiwn, th sygkentrwsh ths sxetikhs bibliografias, ths nomologias kai olwn twn sxetikwn. Poly syxna oi idioi oi proedroi twn Nomoparaskeyastikwn aytwn Epitropwn zhtoyn na plaisiwqoyn apo neoys episthmones ths epiloghs toys poy qa einai oi amesoi synergates toys h bohqoi toys. Etsi kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, o proedros ths Nomoparaskeyastikhs ayths Epitrophs sthn opoia anaferqhkate, o kaqhghths toy Poinikoy Dikaioy sto Panepisthmio Aqhnwn o k. Kotsalhs, zhthse apo to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs me epistolh toy, hmeromhnias 25hs Maioy 2006, na symperilhfqoyn sthn Epitroph oi dikhgoroi k. k. Kedikogloy kai Moyzakhs, diplwmatoyxoi toy metaptyxiakoy Poinikwn Episthmwn toy Panepisthmioy Aqhnwn kai ypochfioi gia didaktoriko, aitiologwntas malista epakribws giati toys zhtei. H amoibh gia symmetoxh se oles tis Nomoparaskeyastikes Epitropes, opws fantazomai qa gnwrizete, einai symbolikh. Gia th sygkekrimenh malista den exei akomh oyte oristei, oyte katablhqei. Einai profanes, opws me enhmerwse o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs o k. Papalhgoyras, oti anakribws anaferetai pws o k. Kedikogloy, o gios toy Proedroy toy Areioy Pagoy symmetexei se dhqen ``Epitroph Sofwn''. Oyte bebaia oristhke en kryptw, dedomenoy oti h symmetoxh toy dhmosieythke sto fyllo ths Efhmeridas ths Kybernhsews me ariqmo 859/10.07.2006, opws allwste symbainei me oloys toys symmetexontes se oles tis Nomoparaskeyastikes Epitropes.

NASOPOYLOS: Exete, kyrie Ekproswpe, allo ena paradeigma dikhgoroy poy exei ena xrono bgei apo thn dikhgorikh askhsh kai diorizetai melos Nomoparaskeyastikhs Epitrophs... ;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, mporeite na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Eimai bebaios oti qa sas dwsoyn ola ta sxetika stoixeia.

GKOYTZANHS: To ``Epitroph Sofwn'' einai dhmosiografikos titlos.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti bebaiws den amfisbhtw to dikaiwma twn dhmosiografwn na epilegoyn toys titloys, alla dhmioyrgei omws kai esfalmenes entypwseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Entajei. Oi dhmosiografikoi titloi mporoyn na dhmioyrgoyn entypwseis...

ANTWNAROS: Oxi esfalmenes, omws.

GKOYTZANHS: Ena symplhrwmatiko erwthma, politiko. O Proedros toy Areioy Pagoy, eite me thn perioysia toy gioy toy, eite me ayto to diorismo, balletai kai ayto dhmioyrgei ena problhma sth Dikaiosynh, stoys alloys dikastes. Den einai ena politiko zhthma gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme apanthsei se ola ayta ta qemata. Kai gia to prwto, opws sas exoyme pei, me eparkestato tropo.

MPESKENHS: Se allo qema, kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o SKAI kai h KAQHMERINH proxwrhsan sthn prwtoboylia, diorganwnontas ekstrateia kaqarismoy ths koiths toy Khfisoy me th symmetoxh aplwn politwn. Qa moy kanete parakalw ena sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe prwtoboylia h opoia symballei sth beltiwsh toy periballontos gia oloys toys polites, stis megales alla kai stis mikres poleis, stis poleis alla kai sthn ypaiqro, einai ajiepainh. Giati oxi mono beltiwnetai to periballon poy se polles periptwseis einai epibarymeno, alla kai giati taytoxrona enisxyetai kai h eyaisqhtopoihsh twn politwn gia tetoia shmantika qemata poy aforoyn emas oloys, alla kai to mellon twn paidiwn mas.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla apo ton SKAI perimenoyme na kaqarisei ton Khfiso; H kybernhsh ti kanei;

ANTWNAROS: Exete mia tash kai se alles periptwseis, poy den me briskei symfwno, na apajiwnete tis prwtoboylies politwn, idiwtwn. Dikaiwma sas.

KAKALHS: Ayto mhn to bazete sto stoma to diko moy, den to eipa egw ayto. Egw lew h kybernhsh ti ekane.

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh, pantws, enisxyei prwtoboylies kai idiwtwn kai politwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se allo qema, gia periballon pantws. Exete ypocin sas kapoia kataxwrish poy exei ginei sto egkyro dieqnes periodiko NEWSWEEK, apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, mia kataxwrish 14 selidwn, opoy ejhgeitai h politikh katastash sthn Ellada h analyetai, telos pantwn. Den jerw an thn exete ypoch sas.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den thn exw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa hqela na to cajoyme ligaki, an einai dynaton, gia na exoyme mia apanthsh. H erwthsh moy einai, ean einai kai plhrwmenh h kataxwrhsh apo to ellhniko Dhmosio, ap' to ellhniko Kratos.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o Epitimos Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias, o k. Mhtsotakhs, se mia synenteyjh toy poy profanws thn jerete, prokeimenoy na epixeirhmatologhsei yper toy anasxhmatismoy poy eqese --den zhtaw na moy sxoliasete ayto-- eipe oti kapoioi Ypoyrgoi exoyn koyrastei kai kapoioi alloi prokaloyn me th symperifora toys toys polites, giati qewroyn ta ypoyrgeia ws feoydo. Ena sxolio ep' aytoy. Oxi epi toy anasxhmatismoy, giati fantazomai oti gia ton anasxhmatismo qa peite oti den yparxei qema.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw tis dhlwseis toy Epitimoy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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