Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-05-09

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 9 Maioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 72106384

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 9 Maioy 2007

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" Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, sthn opoia o Ypoyrgos kai o Yfypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfas kai k. Papaqanasioy eishghqhkan gia ta qemata twn eqnikwn kai eyrwpaikwn ypodomwn sto xwro ereynas, texnologias kai kainotomias. H kybernhsh enekrine to sxetiko sxediasmo gi` ayta ta zhthmata. Exei hdh kanei dhlwseis o armodios ypoyrgos.

" Epishs, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfhs ekane enhmerwsh gia qemata oikonomias. Me aformh ayto, qelw na pw pws shmera symplhrwnontai 50 xronia apo thn ypografh ths Synqhkhs ths Rwmhs. H xwra mas, mia katejoxhn xwra eyrwpaikoy prosanatolismoy apo tote, einai apo tis palaioteres xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, me isxyrh paroysia kai syneisfora. Sympiptei h xronia ayth me ena megalo oikonomiko epiteygma eyrwpaikoy epipedoy, to opoio einai apotelesma sobarhs strathgikhs ths kybernhshs, sklhrhs doyleias kai katanohshs apo toys Ellhnes polites. Einai enas shmantikos staqmos sthn oikonomia ths xwras, alla oxi kai to telos toy dromoy. H apografh poy egine apo thn Eyrwpaikh Statistikh Yphresia kai katedeije to megalo elleimma ths tajews peripoy 8% poy afhse pisw ths h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, odhghse se mia seira apo apofaseis gia th noikokyremenh diaxeirish twn oikonomikwn, thn opoia epetyxe h shmerinh kybernhsh. Mia diaxeirish poy gia prwth fora mas epitrepei na eimaste synepeis me tis ypoxrewseis poy exoyme analabei sto plaisio ths ONE, dhladh, se elleimma katw apo to 3%. Kai ayto me thn politikh ths hpias prosarmoghs, h opoia apedwse karpoys. Hdh anakoinwqhke apo ton armodio Epitropo Xoakin Almoynia oti h Ellada petyxe toys stoxoys kai to elleimma to 2006 kategrafh sto 2,6%, enw to 2007 qa einai sto 2,4%.

Ypenqymizw oti prosfata h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph apofasise na ferei dyo xronia nwritera, dhladh to 2010 anti gia to 2012, thn ypoxrewsh poy exoyn oles oi xwres  melh ths ONE na katartizoyn isoskelismenoys proypologismoys. Sto plaisio ayto, h kybernhsh exei proxwrhsei sthn efarmogh ths politikhs thn opoia desmeythke na akoloyqhsei apo to programma ths Neas Dhmokratias: Dhladh sth meiwsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn toso stis epixeirhseis oso kai sta noikokyria. Desmeyseis gia thn ayjhsh toy EKAS, desmeyseis gia thn ayjhsh twn syntajewn toy OGA, desmeyseis gia thn katarghsh toy LAFKA, h opoia malista, opws jerete, synodeythke kai me thn epistrofh anadromikwn, xrhmatwn dhladh poy paranomws kai ektos kaqe politikhs logikhs parakratoyse h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Xwris yperboles, alla me syneth diaxeirish sthn oikonomia, apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai ola ta ypoloipa ypoyrgeia perioristhke h spatalh sto Dhmosio, antimetwpisthke h forodiafygh kai doqhke emfash sthn enisxysh ths koinwnikhs synoxhs. H prospaqeia synexizetai, wste h xwra na diathrhsei se monimh bash to shmerino kyros ths, se eyrwpaiko kai dieqnes epipedo. Oi Ellhnes polites gnwrizoyn kai qa gnwrizoyn thn alhqeia gia ta oikonomika kai kata synepeia, ola ayta ta stoixeia bohqoyn sto na enisxyqoyn oi megaloi hdh ryqmoi anaptyjhs, h meiwsh ths anergias me thn ejeyresh newn qesewn ergasias kai h enisxysh toy koinwnikoy kratoys.

O Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, se ligh wra, qa dwsei synenteyjh stoys armodioys oikonomikoys syntaktes, analyontas peraiterw ta apotelesmata ayths ths politikhs.

" Ayrio stis 17.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei gia to Zagkremp, opoy qa symmetasxei sth 10h Synodo Koryfhs Diadikasias Synergasias Xwrwn Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs. To analytiko programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy exei hdh doqei apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Eipate prohgoymenws, sxoliazontas th diadikasia ejodoy apo thn epithrhsh, oti ayto den einai to telos toy dromoy. Bebaiws, gnwrizw kai apariqmhsate kai eseis kapoia apo ayta poy kanate gia toys polites, alla ayto to ``den shmainei to telos toy dromoy'', shmainei oti oi polites den exoyn na perimenoyn kati epipleon, plhn aytwn poy exete hdh kanei kai apariqmhsate prohgoymenws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi desmeyseis mas, opws sas eipa hdh kai opws gnwrizete, ginontai pragmatikothta. Oi desmeyseis poy exei analabei h Nea Dhmokratia se ena topio to opoio oloi sth xwra nomizan diaforetiko kai to opoio apedeixqh apo thn ereyna, apo thn apografh poy ekanan oi yphresies ths Eyrwpaikhs Statistikhs Yphresias, oti htan teleiws diaforetiko. Me tis dyskolies, me thn hpia prosarmogh prospaqhsame, prospaqoyme na eimaste synepeis se aytes tis desmeyseis. Kai opws gnwrizete -hdh anefera merikes apo aytes, tis pio basikes apo tis oikonomikes mas desmeyseis- eimaste synepeis.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to rwtw giati den jerw, an eiste se qesh na peite kati pio sygkekrimeno, dhladh aytes oi ekfraseis toy typoy ``enisxysh toy koinwnikoy kratoys'' h ``enisxysh twn xamhloterwn oikonomikwn strwmatwn'' einai kati to opoio to akoyme epi xronia. Qa einai se qesh h kybernhsh toys epomenoys mhnes, an oxi shmera, na pei kati pio sygkekrimeno gia to ti mporoyn na prosdokoyn oi polites apo ayth thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas dinw to paradeigma toy EKAS. To 2005 kai to 2006, oi ayjhseis kai sto EKAS alla kai ston OGA htan diplasies apo ton plhqwrismo. Sas lew kai to jerete oti to 2006 ayjanetai to EKAS -ayjhqhke hdh- kata 35 eyrw to mhna. To 2007 ayjanetai epishs kata 35 eyrw to mhna. Apo 1/1/2008 exoyme ayjhsh kata 50 eyrw to mhna, ston OGA, opws eixame hdh ayjhsh fetos ston OGA. Exoyme dhladh mia seira pragmatwn ta opoia eginan meta apo tis desmeyseis poy eixame analabei kai oi opoies ginontai prajh para tis dyskoles synqhkes -tis opoies sas anelysa kai gnwrizete, allwste den einai h prwth fora poy to leme oti brhke h kybernhsh- apo thn prohgoymenh oikonomikh diaxeirish.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti oi Ellhnes polites gnwrizoyn thn alhqeia gia thn oikonomia, gia ta oikonomika. Wstoso, oi Ellhnes polites den jeroyn giati h kybernhsh ekoce prin apo merikes ebdomades 430 ekatommyria apo tis dapanes toy Proypologismoy, den jeroyn akomh poies dapanes aforoyn kai den exei dieykrinisei h kybernhsh ean aforoyn prwta kai kyria tis koinwnikes dapanes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka ekeinh thn hmera, giati allwste sas to anakoinwsa egw sto press-room meta apo mia synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Kai sas exw dwsei hdh apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Den mas exete pei omws, poies einai oi dapanes aytes, sygkekrimena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na eiste bebaios oti qa ginoyn ola gnwsta thn wra poy prepei, otan dhladh exoyn oloklhrwqei oi diadikasies. H kybernhsh akoloyqei tis desmeyseis tis opoies exei analabei h xwra kai to kanei gia prwth fora me syneto tropo  gia prwth fora ayth h kybernhsh, giati h prohgoymenh eixe apodeixqei oti den to ekane me syneto tropo- etsi wste na diasfalistei ayto to hdh katakthmeno kyros ths xwras sto eyrwpaiko epipedo, sto opoio anaferqhka prohgoymenws.

KAKALHS: Mia deyterh erwthsh sta oikonomika: H ejafanish toy plhqwrismoy thn wra poy h akribeia ``zemataei'' to laiko eisodhma, einai kai ayto mesa stis ikanothtes ths kybernhshs; Pws to exete kataferei ayto to qayma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Foboymai oti den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas.

KAKALHS: Oti o plhqwrismos epese sto 2,5%, anakoinwqhke shmera, ton Aprilio, th stigmh poy akribws ola anebainoyn panw kai oi yphresies kai ta proionta, idiaitera ta proionta laikhs katanalwshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete mia proseggish ideologikoy periexomenoy, thn opoia egw sebomai. Ekeino to opoio qa hqela na sas pw gia trith fora  kai qa hqela na to sebasteite- einai oti edw den prokeitai gia stoixeia ta opoia dinei tyxaia h kybernhsh. Milame synexws gia stoixeia ta opoia apoteloyn antikeimeno endelexoys ereynas apo tis armodies arxes ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Akoysthke polles fores, as poyme, gia thn apografh, ti stoixeia dinei h kybernhsh gia thn apografh. Einai stoixeia ta opoia dinei h Eyrwpaikh Statistikh Yphresia. Sas qymizw oti otan erxontan oi apestalmenoi ths Eyrwpaikhs Statistikhs Yphresias sthn Ellada, yphrxe mia seira apo fwnes poy kraygazan oti eimaste ypo epitropeia, oti exoyn erqei oi ypallhloi ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai mas elegxoyn k.o.k.. Kai omws ayto, den apetrece kapoioys apo to na fwnazoyn sth synexeia oti ta stoixeia ths apografhs den htan ayta ta opoia einai pragmatika stoixeia. Einai h prwth fora poy se Ekqesh ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, ta teleytaia xronia, den yparxei yposhmeiwsh me epifylajeis gia ta stoixeia poy paroysiazontai sthn Ekqesh ayth. Ayto kati leei gia thn ajiopistia ths kybernhshs kai twn stoixeiwn.

KAKALHS: Na to peite ston ellhniko lao ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, ston ellhniko lao milaw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sas rwthsa kai proxqes gia to Patriarxeio Ierosolymwn. Shmera, exoyme ejelijeis. Exete na kanete kapoio kainoyrgio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na pw oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh sthrizei apolyta to qesmo toy Patriarxeioy kai ton Patriarxh. Oloi prepei na sebontai tis qrhskeytikes eleyqeries kai thn aytoteleia toy Patriarxeioy. H Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Mpakogiannh kai o yfypoyrgos k. Kassimhs epikoinwnhsan, sxetika me to qema poy exei anakycei, me ola ta emplekomena merh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Meta th xqesinh synanthsh poy eixe o k. Polydwras, o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs me ton Prwqypoyrgo, h opoia htan kai polywrh, exete thn aisqhsh oti hrqhsan oi epifylajeis kai oi enstaseis poy eixe diatypwseis prosfatws o k. Polydwras se sxesh me to keno dioikhshs sthn hgesia ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Polydwras exei kanei dhmosiws dhlwseis kai gia to qema poy anaferete. Den antilambanomai pws syndeetai h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Polydwra me ayto to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh einai prosfates.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na pw oti den katalabainw th syndesh poy kanete. Mporeite na moy peite me leptomereia thn erwthsh sas, giati den exw katalabei. O armodios ypoyrgos exei topoqethqei gia qemata toy ypoyrgeioy toy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Bebaiws. Ean moy epitrepete, h synanthsh ayth, omws, egine dyo h tria 24wra meta, afotoy o k. Polydwras eixe milhsei apo to bhma ths Boylhs, dhmosia dhladh, gia elleimma sthn hgesia ths Astynomia, gia elleimma dioikhshs, gia keno sthn oysia ejoysias kai eixe ekfrasei kapoia parapona gia to oti den ginetai h doyleia toy swsta. Ypociazomai h toylaxiston olh h aisqhsh poy edwsan oi dhlwseis toy k. Polydwra, htan oti o idios exei entones enstaseis se sxesh me to proswpo ths hgesias ths EL.AS, me to proswpo poy hgeitai sthn EL.AS. Aytes oi epifylajeis, meta th xqesinh synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, hrqhsan apo pleyras toy k. Polydwra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ypociazeste kai etsi opws to diatypwnete einai san na yparxoyn dyo diaforetikes pleyres. O k. Polydwras, me safhneia sth dhlwsh toy xqes, anefere oti exei thn empistosynh poy exei ws ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs stoys ajiwmatikoys kai sthn hgesia ths EL.AS.. Kai anefere epishs oti ta ypoloipa qemata yphresiakhs fysews poy einai qemata me ta opoia prepei na apasxoleitai enas ypoyrgos  ton apasxoloyn bebaiws ws ypeyqyno anqrwpo- einai zhthmata ta opoia o idios prospaqei na ta lysei kai se synergasia me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto poy rwta o k. synadelfos einai ean mesa se aytes tis treis hmeres poy mesolabhsan den yparxei pia elleimma dioikhshs sthn Astynomia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa eparkws kai exei apanthsei hdh kai o k. Polydwras apo xqes.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na epistrecw sto erwthma toy k. Kakalh, epeidh h apanthsh peri ideologikhs epejergasias twn stoixeiwn emena proswpikws den me kalyptei. Qelw na moy ejhghsete eseis pws ginetai na peftei o plhqwrismos kai na ayjanontai oi times. Ektos kai an den ayjanontai oi times. Giati ean ayjanontai oi times kai peftei o plhqwrismos shmainei oti ``peirazontai'' oi times sth deigmatolhcia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas pw oti den exei allajei kamia meqodos apo tis eyrwpaika paradektes meqodoys gia to pws ektimatai o plhqwrismos sth xwra.

KYRITSHS: Opote, ti exei ginei; Qayma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai. Foboymai oti prospaqeite na dhmioyrghsete entypwseis me lektika sxhmata.

KYRITSHS: Sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prospaqhste. Alla, se kaqe periptwsh sas lew oti ta stoixeia ta opoia h kybernhsh dinei  oi armodies yphresies dinoyn- gia prwth fora den amfisbhtoyntai. Jerete poso shmantiko einai na mhn yparxei yposhmeiwsh, opws yphrxe gia xronia, stis ekqeseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs gia ta stoixeia, dhladh ean einai alhqina h oxi; Aytes htan yposhmeiwseis. Den yparxoyn pia. Ara, loipon, einai poly shmantiko to gegonos oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, se kentriko epipedo, me yphresies poy einai armodies, poy gnwrizoyn, anagnwrizoyn ayth th megalh prospaqeia poy egine gia thn allagh sta oikonomika toy topoy. Mia prospaqeia h opoia exei ws apotelesma, prwton kai meizon th meiwsh toy elleimmatos. Enos terastioy elleimmatos gia ta eyrwpaika dedomena poy mas klhronomhse h prohgoymenh kybernhsh.

KYRITSHS: Na kanw mia deyterh erwthsh; Mia ploysia kai filanqrwpos kyria anelabe mia ajiepainh prwtoboylia gia thn kataskeyh sthn Ellada enos ogkologikoy nosokomeioy gia paidia, kati to opoio logika qa eprepe na exei kanei to kratos. Parathrhsame proxqes, se ena thleoptiko thlemaraqwnio, toylaxiston tesseris h pente ypoyrgoi na bgainoyn kai na prosferoyn se ena ergo idiwtikhs prwtoboylias dhmosia lefta gia kati poy qa eprepe na exoyn kanei oi idioi. Pws to sxoliazei ayto h kybernhsh; Symfwnei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apolytws.

KYRITSHS: Sygnwmh, den qa eprepe to ypoyrgeio Ygeias na exei frontisei na kanei ena ogkologiko nosokomeio anti na dinei lefta toy Ellhna forologoymenoy se ena idiwtiko project;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti exei mia antifash h erwthsh sas apo th gennhsh ths. Dhladh, ean to ypoyrgeio Ygeias edine lefta gia to synolo toy kostoys enos tetoioy nosokomeioy qa plhrwne o Ellhnas forologoymenos poly perissotera apo o,ti qa plhrwsei twra poy polloi Ellhnes polites, me thn eyaisqhsia poy edeijan, prospaqhsan, synainesan, ebalan to xeri sthn tseph kai bohqhsan gia na ginei tetoio ergo. Makari na ginoyn polla tetoia erga sthn Ellada.

KYRITSHS: Gnwrizete to pososto symmetoxhs toy diorganwth se ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Makari, lew, na ginoyn polla tetoia erga sthn Ellada, me thn eyaisqhsia poy diakrinei toys Ellhnes polites se antistoixes periptwseis. Kai den einai h prwth fora. To exoyn apodeijei se polles periptwseis.

KYRITSHS: Me eranoys doyleyei to Dhmosio, k. Ekproswpe; Den plhrwnoyme foroys; Giati toys plhrwnoyme toys foroys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas enoxlei poy oi Ellhnes polites eyaisqhtopoioyntai kai dinoyn xrhmata ...

KYRITSHS: Me enoxlei poy oi Ellhnes polites plhrwnoyn foroys kai meta toys zhta h thleorash na enisxysoyn diafora idiwtika filanqrwpika project.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Kalws.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas kanw dyo erwthseis, ean moy epitrepete. H prwth afora sto ean gnwrizei h kybernhsh pote qa doqoyn sth Boylh ta stoixeia gia thn perioysiakh katastash toy yioy toy Proedroy toy Areioy Pagoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn doqei ola ta stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn zhthqei se dyo erwthseis, opws me enhmerwse o armodios ypoyrgos.

SPYRAKH: H kybernhsh qewrei oti h kinhsh ayth kleinei to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta stoixeia einai eparkestata.

SPYRAKH: To deytero poy qelw na rwthsw, afora sthn erwthsh poy exei kataqesei o k. Miltiadhs Ebert sth Boylh kai zhta thn aposyrsh toy biblioy ths Istorias. H erwthsh apeyqynetai sthn ypoyrgo Paideias. Antimetwpizei h kybernhsh ena tetoio endexomeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa apanthsei opwsdhpote h ypoyrgos Paideias sthn erwthsh poy exei ginei sth Boylh. Gnwrizete th qesh poy exei labei to ypoyrgeio Paideias kai h kybernhsh kentrika. Exoyn ginei allwste antistoixes syzhthseis, polles fores, se ayth thn aiqoysa.

KAKALHS: Gia th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Polydwra, qa hqela na kanw dyo erwthseis. O k. Polydwras dhlwse oti sto epikentro ths synanthshs breqhke idiaitera to qema twn epiqesewn kai ths politikhs bias poy dexomaste. Qa hqela, ean mporeite, na moy prosdiorisete ton oro ``politikh bia''. Dhladh, pws h kybernhsh prosdiorizei to periexomeno toy oroy ``politikh bia''; Perilambanei ws pros ayton kai tis diadhlwseis, gia paradeigma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, oi diadhlwseis den apoteloyn bia. Oi diadhlwseis einai syntagmatika katoxyrwmeno dikaiwma se oles tis Dhmokraties kai fysika kai sth dikh mas. Bia, omws, diapistwnoyme se polles periptwseis sto periqwrio h sto plaisio kapoiwn diadhlwsewn. H bia ayth xarakthrizetai ws politikh bia.

KAKALHS: Sth synanthsh o k. Polydwras ton enhmerwse gia th skech poy eixe gia xrhsh sfairwn apo kaoytsoyk kata diadhlwtwn, opws eixe dhlwsei se Kyriakatikh synenteyjh toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw ayto. Alla, se kaqe periptwsh, metra poy lambanontai kai se alles xwres toy kosmoy gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy eidoys ths bias, h opoia eirhsqw en parodw qa prepei na apomonwqei hqika -kai nomizw oti sth syneidhsh ths pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn exei apomonwqei hqika- mporoyn na lhfqoyn kai sth xwra mas.

XIWTHS: Sto idio qema. Epeidh h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Polydwra htan kai idiaitera asynhqista megalh. Dihrkhse para poly. Exete thn eikona oti apo ayth th synanthsh allazei kati ston tropo me ton opoio qa leitoyrgei h astynomia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora th xronikh diarkeia mias synanthshs, ayth poikilei analoga me ta qemata ta opoia exoyn na syzhthqoyn. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

XIWTHS: Qelw na pw oti prin th synanthsh yphrxe mia paradoxh kai apo pleyras toy Ypoyrgoy kai emmesws kai apo ths kybernhshs, oti h astynomia den apodidei to ergo poy qa ofeile na apodidei. Meta apo mia toso megalh synanthsh kai fantazomai mia toso diejodikh syzhthsh poy egine, allazei kati h ta pragmata paramenoyn ws exoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H katalhjh ths dhlwshs toy k. Polydwra exei anafora sto qema. Thn epanelaba prohgoymenws. Sthn prospaqeia gia to kalytero, antilambaneste oti xreiazetai kaqhmerinos kopos, kaqhmerinh doyleia. Kai ayto einai poy prospaqei na kanei o armodios Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs. Kai sth synergasia me ton Prwqypoyrgo einai profanes oti eqese mia seira tetoiwn zhthmatwn, peran ths enhmerwshs thn opoia toy ekane.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sth shmerinh enhmerwsh poy ekanan oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi Anaptyjhs, Ypoyrgos kai Yfypoyrgos, ejhghsan mhpws kai gia thn anodo twn timwn twn petrelaioeidwn kai ths benzinhs kai to pws ayta paroti epibarynoyn ton timariqmo, entoytois den dhmioyrgoyn problhma ston plhqwrismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den egine syzhthsh gia tis times to petrelaioy. Opws sas eipa to qema aforoyse ereyna, kainotomia kai nees texnologies.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sto erwthma ths synadelfoy k. Spyrakh. Eipate oti se sxesh me ta stoixeia poy aforoyn ton gio toy k. Kedikogloy einai eparkestata. Ayto shmainei oti den qa zhthqei endelexesteros elegxos apo thn pleyra toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs se o,ti afora to qema twn stoixeiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den yparxei tetoia proqesh.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara h kybernhsh qewrei oti ta stoixeia poy pareqese o k. Kedikogloy ejhgoyn thn perioysia poy apekthse o yios toy apo ta 19 toy mexri ta 25;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh exei dwsei apanthsh o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs thn opoia xarakthrisa prohgoymenws.

SPYRAKH: Aplws qa hqela mia dieykrinish gia th dhlwsh sas se sxesh me ta metra poy lambanontai gia thn antimetwpish ayths ths bias kai se alles xwres. Se ayta sygkatalegetai kai h xrhsh plastikwn sfairwn kai xrwmosfairidiwn; Einai kati entelws eidiko, gi` ayto to rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh einai eidiko qema, eimai bebaios oti o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs otan qa exei na anakoinwsei kati, qa to kanei. Ekeino poy eipa einai to aytonohto: Sth shmerinh epoxh, mia epoxh synergasias twn yphresiwn, opws einai ayth gia thn asfaleia toy polith se eyrwpaiko kai dieqnes epipedo, ginontai energeies oi opoies se alles xwres exoyn apodeijei sthn prajh kata poso einai apotelesmatikes. H xwra mas den exei logo, efoson aytes einai apotelesmatikes se alles xwres, na mhn tis akoloyqhsei.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na rwthsw, an kai apo thn enhmerwsh poy ekane o k. Polydwras ston Prwqypoyrgo h apo alles phges, einai enhmerh h kybernhsh gia to gegonos oti apo th xrhsh plastikwn sfairwn, mono sth Boreio Irlandia exoyn skotwqei 14 atoma, metajy twn opoiwn 9 paidia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti o armodios Ypoyrgos ereyna me tis yphresies toy ola ta qemata. Syzhta me alles yphresies eyrwpaikoy epipedoy kai otan einai etoimos na proxwrhsei se kapoies apofaseis, qa to kanei. As mhn prokatabaloyme tis apofaseis toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti to krithrio einai an einai apotelesmatikes aytes oi meqodoi, ayta ta metra, qa efarmostoyn kai edw. Ma, nomizw oti kai h xrhsh twn alhqinwn sfairwn, apotelesmatikes einai. Qa proxwrhsete kai se alhqines sfaires, poy xrhsimopoioyntai se alles xwres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws exete prosejei sthn politikh bia, poy orqws onomazei o k. Polydwras, aytoi oi opoioi petoyn bombes molotof kai exoyn tetoioy eidoys opla sta xeria toys, den einai h organwmenh Politeia, den einai h astynomia. Bombes molotof petoyn enantion astynomikwn, enantion perioysiwn Ellhnwn politwn, stoixeia ejtremistika ta opoia pareisfryoyn kaqe fora se diadhlwseis san aytes poy anefera prohgoymenws apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Twra me bazete se peirasmo, alla telos pantwn. Xqes o Prwqypoyrgos eixe peripoy 5 synanthseis, kati to opoio den mas synhqizei, kai etyxe xqes na einai h apergia twn dhmosiografwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To erwthma;

GKOYTZANHS: Tyxaio einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw pei kai se allh periptwsh, polles fores, oti h kybernhsh den leitoyrgei oyte me thleoptikoys xronoys oyte me xronoys en genei dhmosiografikhs doyleias. Gnwrizete oti to kratos leitoyrgei kai otan apergoyn oi dhmosiografoi.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla jerete poia entypwsh dhmioyrgeitai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Oti ekmetalleythkate thn eykairia gia na balete synanthseis kai na apofygete toys dhmosiografoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poly fqhnh einai h entypwsh etsi opws thn anaferete. Makran de kaqe skechs ths kybernhshs.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na rwthsw an isxyei h plhroforia oti meta ta teleytaia gegonota stis fylakes den epitrepetai ston Synhgoro toy Polith na episkeftei ta swfronistika idrymata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa kai egw kapoia dhmosieymata. Epikoinwnhsa me ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs, o opoios me enhmerwse oti oi Eisaggeleis einai aytoi oi opoioi epopteyoyn tis fylakes. Yparxoyn malista kai sygkekrimenes apofaseis toy Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, toso toy prohgoymenoy Eisaggelea toy k. Linoy, oso kai toy nyn Eisaggelews toy k. Sanida - oi dyo xronologoyntai to 2004 kai h allh to 2007- poy anaferoyn xarakthristika oti oi Eisaggeleis exoyn thn epopteia twn fylakwn, oti sthn armodiothta toy Synhgoroy toy Polith yparxoyn poly sygkekrimena qemata ta opoia ejantloyntai ston elegxo ths askhshs twn dioikhtikwn kaqhkontwn ek meroys twn armodiwn ypallhlwn. Ola ta ypoloipa , dhladh h diabiwsh, oi synqhkes klp. stis fylakes einai kaqara qema Eisaggelews kai oxi Synhgoroy toy Polith.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mia poy anaferqhkame stis xqesines synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, mporeite na mas peite poio htan to antikeimeno ths synanthshs poy eixe xqes to brady me ton Geniko Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas k. Stayroy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Synergasia gia qemata Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto qelw na pw. Qa exoyme synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas prosexws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati den to lete kateyqeian;

PALAIOLOGOS: E! Siga-Siga.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to jerw.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh prohgoymenws apanthsate se mia erwthsh toy k. Kakalh sxetika me th xrhsh pragmatikwn pyrwn kai ferate to paradeigma...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti pragmatika pyra xrhsimopoioyn aytoi oi diadhlwtes, ta akraia stoixeia kai oxi h astynomia.

KYRITSHS: Nai, nai. Sas rwthse o k. Kakalhs an yparxei periptwsh na doyme pragmatika pyra  sfaires dhladh, ayta einai ta pragmatika pyra- se diadhlwseis. Kai eseis apanthsate me to paradeigma twn molotof. Apo ayto na bgaloyme to symperasma oti h astynomia qa apanthsei se diadhlwsh, se molotof me sfaires; H laqos katalaba;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den me exete synhqisei na mhn akoyte tis apanthseis moy, alla profanws den tis akoysate.

KYRITSHS: Gi' ayto zhtaw dieykrinish. Qelw na moy dieykrinisete oti h astynomia den prokeitai na apanthsei se mia diadhlwsh, sto plaisio ths opoias mporei na pesoyn molotof, me sfaires.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino to opoio htan safes apo thn apanthsh moy einai oti pragmatika pyra -kai to ``pyra'' exei olh thn ajia kai thn ennoia ths lejews- xrhsimopoioyn tines twn diadhlwtwn.

KYRITSHS: Ara to apokleioyme gia thn astynomia. Ayto qelw na akoysw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H astynomia, opws jerete, kineitai entos toy Syntagmatos. Aytoi poy kinoyntai ektos toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn, einai ayta ta ejtremistika stoixeia poy dhmioyrgoyn aytoy toy eidoys thn anastatwsh sthn polh kai thn anasfaleia se orismenoys Ellhnes polites.

KYRITSHS: Giati den moy lete oti h astynomia den qa rijei sfaires kanonikes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qewrw aytonohto.

KYRITSHS: A mprabo! Ayto hqela.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pros Qeoy!

GKOYTZANHS: Ypoqetw oti pragmatika pyra, ektos apo ta ejtremistika stoixeia, xrhsimopoioyn kai oi zarntinieres eniote, alla to erwthma moy einai: Xarakthrisate aytes tis ejtremistikes energeies, opws th rich bombwn molotof, politikh bia. Sas qymizw oti kapoia alla egklhmata sth dikh ths 17 Noembrh den anagnwristhke oti eixan xarakthra politikoy egklhmatos. Mhpws yparxei edw pera ena problhma...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai to erwthma. Qelete na to epanalabete isws kalytera; Den katalabainw ti qelete na peite.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai. Lew oti sth dikh ths 17 Noembrh den anagnwristhke oti oi ejtremistikes energeies poy ekanan eixan to xarakthra politikoy egklhmatos. Eseis mas eipate twra oti h rich bombwn molotof synista politikh bia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Prwton, den katalabainw giati kanete tetoioys syneirmoys, epeidh den exoyn sxesh o enas me ton allon. Kai deyteron, oxi giati leitoyrghse etsi h kybernhsh kai o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Polydwras, alla nomizw oti to ajizei h antikeimenikh antilhch twn pragmatwn. Sthn ypoqesh ths zarntinieras thn opoia epanaferate  kai exete epanaferei kai alles fores kai eseis kai alloi synadelfoi sas- giati monimws jexname oti ennea anqrwpoi, ajiwmatikoi kai astynomikoi, breqhkan me baries poines kai ektos yphresias, eis ekplhrwsin toy Syntagmatos, toy nomoy, ths Dhmokratias, katopin energeiwn poy ekane o armodios Ypoyrgos;

Giati dhladh qymomaste to ena peristatiko miso, memonwmeno kai to apodidoyme sthn koinh gnwmh, sthn dhmosiothta -kai epanalambanw miso kai memonwmeno apo thn alhqeia- kai oxi oloklhrh thn alhqeia; Qa htan orqh h emmesh anafora sas, me thn ennoia ths aixmhs pros ton armodio Ypoyrgo h thn Kybernhsh, ean den eixe thn eyaisqhsia o k. Polydwras kai h Kybernhsh na leitoyrghsei opws leitoyrghse. Otan blepete loipon oti h Politeia leitoyrgei sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn -den qa sas pw egw pws qa kanete th doyleia sas, pros Qeoy, makran emoy ayto- nomizw oti ofeiloyme oloi sthn antikeimenikh proseggish twn pragmatwn, sthn antikeimenikh proseggish toy dhmosiografikoy epaggelmatos, na to anaferoyme h en pash periptwsei na mhn to jexname.

GKOYTZANHS: Twra egw bebaia prepei na apanthsw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An nomizete oti prepei na apanthsete, egw eimai edw gia na sas akoysw. Giati epi apanthsewn den apantw.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws akomh den mas exei pei an egine kanenas elegxos, an askhqhkan otidhpote gia ekeinoys poy eixan syllhfqei kai meta afeqhkan eleyqeroi kai toys aqwwse kai to dikasthrio, alla ypeyqynos den yphrje an qymamai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pate se allo qema. Eipa oti epi apanthsewn den apantw, alla isxyei h parathrhsh moy gia to prohgoymeno.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti pragmatika pyra xrhsimopoioyn tines twn diadhlwtwn. Ayto poy jerw egw kai nomizw jerei kai o perissoteros kosmos einai oti tis perissoteres fores einai koykoyloforoi, oi opoioi pote den syllambanontai. Kai taytoxrona prosferoyn polytimes yphresies sto Kratos kai sth Kybernhsh, gia na pairnei metra opws ayta poy proanaggeilate prohgoymenws me xrhsh plastikwn sfairwn. Ayto to qewreite tyxaio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia apoch poy exete epanalabei kai alles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa. Exw dwsei apanthsh. Den qa pw tipota kainoyrgio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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