Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-04-26

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 26 Aprilioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 70086641

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 26 Aprilioy 2007

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xrwstate mia apanthsh, oxi eseis, o k. Roysopoylos apo xqes.

ANTWNAROS: Gia poio qema;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton proedro kai dieyqynonta symboylo ths ``TRWILOS''. Eipe oti qa moy apanthsei, qa to balei sto briefing o k. Roysopoylos, den to ebale...

ANTWNAROS: Qa synennohqw mazi toy kai qa sas enhmerwsw.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias exei ajioys kai ikanoys boyleytes oi opoioi qewrhtika qa mporoysan na kalycoyn kai kybernhtikes qeseis h yparxei elleich ikanwn stelexwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den topoqetoymai se ayth thn aiqoysa panw se qewrhtika qemata.

GKOYTZANHS: Den einai kaqoloy qewrhtiko. Exei ikana kai ajia stelexh h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei kamia amfibolia gi` ayto; Kamia.

GKOYTZANHS: Pws den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia amfibolia. Ola ta stelexh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias einai stelexh prwths grammhs. Alla, epeidh to qema einai qewrhtiko, sxetika me ayto poy rwtate, den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy. Ta exoyme pei ayta. Synepws olo ayto to qema exei parafilologikh shmasia.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia na to dieykrinisw den hqela oyte na moy peite gia anasxhmatismo poy to exoyme (den akoygetai)...

ANTWNAROS: H antikatastash ti einai;

GKOYTZANHS: Nai. Meta tis ekloges qa sxhmatistei mia nea kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Nai, qa sxhmatistei. Opws jerete meta apo tis ekloges prokyptei nea Boylh, nea Koinoboyleytikh Omada kata tekmhrio.

KAKALHS: Afoy h kybernhsh exei th syllogikh eyqynh kai leitoyrgia apenanti sto qema twn omologwn, opws eipe xqes o k. Tsitoyridhs, pws qa analabei telika thn politikh eyqynh gia ena adiamfisbhthto skandalo sth diaxeirish twn apoqematikwn twn Tameiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei panw se ayta ta qemata polles fores. Qa hqela omws na pw kai to ejhs: Epeidh ginontai, se orismenh merida twn MME, anafores se osa eipe xqes o Ypoyrgos k. Tsitoyridhs, den nomizw oti ejyphretei thn enhmerwsh twn Ellhnwn politwn na apomonwnontai merikes lejeis twn oswn exei pei, ejw apo ta symfrazomena, gia na dhmioyrghqoyn diafores entypwseis. Ayta poy eipe o k. Tsitoyridhs einai safh. Anaferqhke sthn prospaqeia thn opoia exei analabei h shmerinh kybernhsh, na paei mprosta, na proxwrhsei tis metarryqmiseis, to megalo metarryqmistiko ergo to opoio exei analabei pros ofelos ths xwras kai olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, ayto poy eipate peri apomonwshs orismenwn lejewn afora thn frash toy Ypoyrgoy gia syllogikh leitoyrgia kai eyqynh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Mporw na sas steilw meta olo to keimeno gia na deite se ti akribws anaferotan.

KAKALHS: Den to dieykrinizete omws ean afora ayth th frash h afora kapoia allh frash.

ANTWNAROS: Egw blepw oti ginontai apospasmatikes anafores. Se aytes kai anaferqhka.

SARANTAKOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean eixate kapoia neoterh enhmerwsh apo ton k. Doyka gia thn ypoqesh toy omologoy kai tis syzhthseis poy ginontai me thn JP Morgan. Yphrxan plhrofories stis arxes ths ebdomadas oti entos twn hmerwn qa exei lhfqei oristikh apofash sthn kybernhsh gia to an qa proxwrhsei sthn epanagora toy omologoy.

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparjei kati neotero apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn qa to plhroforhqeite.

SARANTAKOS: Se poio shmeio, se poio stadio briskomaste twra;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Nikhtas Kaklamanhs milwntas to prwi ston radiofwniko staqmo ALPHA eipe oti ean kati poy na ginei kai na fygoyn 4  5 Ypoyrgoi, as ginei. Toys treis toys jeroyme. Oi dyo alloi poioi einai;

ANTWNAROS: Molis topoqethqhka oson afora th synqesh ths kybernhshs me apolyth safhneia prin apo liga lepta. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia osa eipe o Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Den mas eipate pantws an h elleich ikanwn stelexwn einai ayto poy apotrepei ton Prwqypoyrgo apo to na kanei anasxhmatismo.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei proqesh anasxhmatismoy.

MELIGKWNHS: Thn wra poy o k. Tsitoyridhs elege pws kaqysterhse 3 xronia to qesmiko plaisio kai pws h kybernhsh den gnwrize telika th leitoyrgia twn domhmenwn omologwn, o k. Qwmopoylos, o Ypodioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados eipe xqes oti eixe proeidopoihsei apo to 2005 to Ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs sxetika me to risko poy exoyn ta domhmena omologa. Pws to ejhgeite;

ANTWNAROS: Ta exoyme pei ola ayta polles fores. Syndeete kai pali qemata ta opoia den exoyn sxesh metajy toys. H kybernhsh exei safh qesh epi toy qematos. Exei topoqethqei o Prwqypoyrgos epaneilhmmenws kai sth Boylh kai apo alla bhmata. Einai epishs safes oti h kybernhsh exei analabei oles ekeines tis prwtoboylies oi opoies qa qwrakisoyn to qesmiko plaisio to opoio yparxei, wste memonwmena fainomena ta opoia diapistwnontai na mhn epanalhfqoyn sto mellon.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, giati ayth h allagh toy qesmikoy plaisioy qa apotrecei sto mellon kapoies dioikhseis Tameiwn mazi me kapoies ependytikes etaireies h kapoioys xrhmatistes na meqodeysoyn mia tetoia agorapwlhsia omologoy poy qa stoixisei se ena Tameio 42 ekatommyria eyrw;

ANTWNAROS: Den symfwnw katarxhn me ta noymera ta opoia eseis epikaleiste. Sas exoyme pei -kai o k. Roysopoylos kai egw- oti kata kairoys exei ginei epiklhsh h anafora diaforetikwn ariqmwn kai apo ton Typo kai apo stelexh ths antipoliteysews. Ola ta stoixeia einai antikeimeno ths dikastikhs kai ths genikoterhs ereynas h opoia ginetai. H qwrakish akribws toy qesmikoy plaisioy qa bohqhsei. Kaneis den mporei na apokleisei, sas to exoyme pei kai alles fores, kapoia parabatikh symperifora. Qwrakizetai omws to qesmiko plaisio, lambanontai ekeina ta metra ta opoia einai aparaithta, wste na apotrepontai endexomenes tetoies symperifores.

STAQOPOYLOS: Xqes o k. Kastanidhs sth Boylh xarakthrise ton Prwqypoyrgo arxierea ths diaplokhs. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw tis koinoboyleytikes diadikasies.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera, symfwna me dhmosieyma toy BHMATOS yparxei ena qema oson afora tis promhqeies kai thn ekdosh toy omologoy. Dhladh eisepraxqh promhqeia 20 ekatommyriwn eyrw prin akoma ekdoqei to omologo. Symfwna me ta stoixeia poy paroysiazontai shmera stis 22 Febroyarioy toy 2007 to Geniko Logisthrio toy Kratoys ejedwse to omologo enw apo tis 12 Febroyarioy eixe dwsei to ``prasino fws'' sthn JP Morgan na energopoihsei to SWAP. Dhladh, ayto praktika shmainei oti eispraxqh mia iliggiwdh promhqeia ycoys 20 ekatommyriwn eyrw. To sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokyptei tipota tetoio apo thn allhlografia thn opoia h efhmerida, sthn opoia anaferqhkate, paraqetei estw kai tmhmatika. Antiqetws, qa hqela na epishmanw oti einai profanes pws oloi oi oroi enos daneioy, toy kaqe daneioy symfwnoyntai ena diasthma prin apo thn telikh ekdosh. Edw ena mikro akinhto qelei na agorasei kaneis kai kanoyn mia diadikasia synennohsewn, o agorasths me ton pwlhth prin katalhjoyn, ypogracoyn to symbolaio, pane ston symbolaiografo kai katablhqei to timhma. Nomizw oti me to shmerino ths dhmosieyma h efhmerida h deixnei oti den exei katalabei tipote h oti kataballei mia prospaqeia dhmioyrgias entypwsewn.

NASOPOYLOS: Epeidh me mperdecate ligo, to paradeigma me to akinhto to xrhsimopoieite gia na katalaboyme oti yparxei ena poso enanti;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den yparxei kanena poso enanti. Ennow oti ginontai synennohseis. Synennohseis ginontai me ena xrhmatooikonomiko, xrhmatopistwtiko organismo, prokeimenoy na symfwnhqoyn oi oroi. Sas to ejhghsa ayto eisagwgika.

NASOPOYLOS: Ara, den yparxei katabolh xrhmatwn.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai den yparxei katabolh xrhmatwn. Kamia katabolh xrhmatwn den yparxei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh eimai adahs peri ta trapezika kai xrhmatisthriaka, an katalaba kala eipate oti oi oroi toy daneioy, toy kaqe daneioy symfwnoyntai prin apo thn telikh ekdosh;

ANTWNAROS: Symfwnoyntai ena sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma, bebaiws, prin apo thn telikh ekdosh. Ti shmainei telikh ekdosh; Telikh ekdosh einai ekeinh h stigmh poy ypografetai h symbash kai kataballetai to poso toy daneioy. Den prepei na exoyn symfwnhqei oi oroi; Pws qa ftasoyme sth symfwnia ean den exoyme syzhthsei gia toys oroys;

PALAIOLOGOS: Epimenw kai pali...

ANTWNAROS: Dikaiwma sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: ... me aformh ayto poy eipate oti edw den yparxei mia piqanothta h toylaxiston den apotrepetai to endexomeno na yparjei mia synallagh katw apo to trapezi apo th stigmh poy yparxei mia enhmerwsh prin apo thn ekdosh toy omologoy;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den antilambaneste ti sas lew. Apla: Metajy toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai ths trapezas h opoia analambanei thn ekdosh toy daneioy ginontai syzhthseis. Gia na mhn polylogoyme se ligo qa yparjei kai mia anakoinwsh ep` aytoy toy qematos apo to Geniko Logisthrio toy Kratoys, opote qa exete ola ta stoixeia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Entajei. To dia tayta apo olh ayth thn aporia, giati sas eipa kai pali oti eimai adahs peri ta trapezika kai ta xrhmatisthriaka einai oti to dhmosieyma ayto, den jerw kata poso aphxei h oxi thn pragmatikothta, eseis lete oti den thn aphxei, fwtografizei politikes eyqynes toy k. Doyka. Ayto einai an den kanw laqos to dia tayta. Ep` aytoy ti exete na peite;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipota tetoio. Profanws den egine antilhpto se esas fantazomai osa eipa molis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes.

GKOYTZANHS: Bohqhste mas ligo, kyrie Ekproswpe, giati pragmatika einai poly dyskoles aytes oi ypoqeseis. Telika ayth h allhlografia poy dhmosiopoiei shmera h efhmerida, ti deixnei; Oti egine kapoia symfwnia prin apo thn telikh ekdosh opoy periexontai oi oroi ths symfwnias h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Ginetai synennohsh. Sas to eipa. Qa yparjei anakoinwsh toy Genikoy Logisthrioy toy Kratoys.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla sthn arxh mas eipate oti den tekmairetai tetoio pragma apo thn allhlografia poy paraqetei h efhmerida.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti einai profanes pws oloi oi oroi enos daneioy, toy kaqe daneioy symfwnoyntai se ena xroniko diasthma prin apo thn oristikh ekdosh.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara, dikio eixe h efhmerida, apla mas lete oti ayto ginetai panta. Oti den synista kati idiaitero.

ANTWNAROS: Xairomai poy to diapistwnete.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, lew an ayto prepei na katalaboyme, giati einai lepta zhthmata.

ANTWNAROS: Xrhsimopoihsa th frash: ``se kaqe daneio''. H lejh kaqe daneio ti shmainei;

GKOYTZANHS: Kaqe daneio.

ANTWNAROS: Safestera den mporoysa na to pw.

GKOYTZANHS: Entajei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Rwtw dieykrinistika. Dhladh, se kaqe daneio exei prosymfwnhqei h promhqeia poy qa parei...

ANTWNAROS: Milhsa egw gia promhqeies; Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma, twra giati milame edw pera; Otan milame gia daneio, milame gia tis promhqeies.

ANTWNAROS: Gia toys oroys milaw. Qa sas ypenqymisw...

PALAIOLOGOS: Den eimai toso adahs gia na mhn antilambanomai oti mesa stoys oroys mias symfwnias einai kai oi promhqeies.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas ypenqymisw oti sthn arxikh anakoinwsh, thn opoia ejedwse to Geniko Logisthrio toy Kratoys --den qymamai prin apo poses ebdomades-- ginetai safhs anafora oti, toso gia to omologo poy ekdoqhke, oso kai gia thn ep` aytoy symfwnia antallaghs epitokioy, den katablhqhke kamia promhqeia, alla oyte kai ejoda pashs fysews sthn anadoxo trapeza h se tritoys. Loipon, mhn epanerxeste se qemata ta opoia exoyn ginei safh ejarxhs.

KAKALHS: Apo ayta poy eipate prohgoymenws, omws, afhnete na ennohqei oti stoys oroys symperilambanotan kai h promhqeia twn 20 ekatommyriwn.

ANTWNAROS: Se kamia periptwsh. Ayth einai dikh sas ayqaireth ermhneia.

KAKALHS: Oxi. Perilambanetai ayto sto eggrafo, stoys oroys poy antallajan, oti einai 20 ekatommyria eyrw h promhqeia. Prepei na to dieykrinisoyme ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na diabasete me prosoxh ayta ta pragmata. Den prokyptei tipote tetoio.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla stoys oroys antallaghs epitokiwn (den akoygetai) to eggrafo poy eftase sto Logisthrio toy Kratoys den anaferotan oti qa eisprajei ayta ta 20 ekatommyria eyrw san promhqeia h JP MORGAN; Ayto rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na diabasete thn anakoinwsh toy Genikoy Logisthrioy toy Kratoys. Den exw na prosqesw kati panw se ayto to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: As bgaloyme ejw thn promhqeia, giati mallon ayto mas mperdeyei.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis xrhsimopoieite lejeis, tis opoies egw den xrhsimopoihsa kaq` olh th diarkeia toy briefing, monos moy, se kamia periptwsh.

GKOYTZANHS: To poso ayto to opoio qa eisepratte h trapeza gia tis yphresies poy prosferei, prokyptei h oxi; Mhn kollhsoyme sth lejh.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete thn anakoinwsh toy k. Doyka. O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw ypoch moy oti prohgoymenws anaferqhkate se apomonwsh sygkekrimenwn ekfrasewn apo ta mesa mazikhs enhmerwshs se o,ti afora, profanws, th xqesinh kataqesh toy k. Tsitoyridh, sth xqesinh syzhthsh poy egine me th symmetoxh toy k. Tsitoyridh sthn Epitroph Koinwnikwn Ypoqesewn. Omws, parola ayta, epimenw, giati aytes kategrafhsan apo to synolo toy Typoy kai aforoyn sth diadikasia ths xrhshs ths ekfrashs ``syllogikh eyqynh''. O Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs eipe oti h kybernhsh dra synolika se o,ti afora ola ta zhthmata kai se ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den eipe kati tetoio.

SPYRAKH: Malista.

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos eipe oti h kybernhsh exei th syllogikh eyqynh na paei mprosta tis metarryqmiseis. Ayto einai kati entelws diaforetiko apo ayto poy lete eseis. H kybernhsh, me epikefalhs ton Prwqypoyrgo, exei desmeyqei --kai to kanei prajh-- na ejasfalisei th diafaneia kai na patajei, na odhghsei sth Dikaiosynh, na mhn afhsei kamia skia opoy yparxei opoiadhpote yponoia gia diafqora apo opoydhpote kai ean proerxetai.

RABANOS: Epeidh anaferqhkame sthn paroysia toy k. Tsitoyridh, xqes, sth Boylh, h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo th xqesinh emfanish toy Ypoyrgoy Apasxolhshs kai tis apanthseis poy edwse;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Tsitoyridhs kalyce ola ta qemata sta plaisia ths armodiothtas poy askei ws melos toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

MELIGKWNHS: Epeidh to exw mprosta moy ayto to apospasma ...

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy to exete mprosta sas;

MELIGKWNHS: Apo efhmerida.

ANTWNAROS: Qa parakaloysa, loipon, na exete ta praktika ths Boylhs, dioti phgh moy emena en prokeimenw den einai oi efhmerides.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh apanthsate sxetika gia to kata poso eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo ta osa eipe o k. Tsitoyridhs, to gegonos oti fwtografhse kai tis eyqynes toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy kai gia na mhn tis proswpopoihsw, ti exete na apanthsete;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den briskw tipota tetoio. Aytes einai dikes sas ermhneies.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oyte apo ta praktika den tis briskete, poy tis fwtografhse aytes tis eyqynes... ;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Asfalws kai oxi.

SPYRAKH: Den eipe kai mono ayto, ean moy epitrepete. Endexomenws eipe oti einai syllogikh eyqynh na proxwrhsoyn oi metarryqmiseis, alla eipe epishs oti ejhghseis edwse o Prwqypoyrgos enwpion ths Boylhs, edwse kai qa dwsei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias. Ayto eseis qewreite oti dinei thn aisqhsh mias syllogikhs eyqynhs se o,ti afora to xeirismo ths ypoqeshs h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh dra syllogika. Einai syllogiko organo.

MELIGKWNHS: Kai sto qema ayto, opws eipe o k. Tsitoyridhs; O k. Tsitoyridhs ayto eipe: H Kybernhsh kai sto qema ayto dra syllogika. Eipe ayto akribws.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh einai syllogiko organo. Apoteleitai apo ypoyrgoys. Ena organo poy apoteleitai apo sygkekrimeno ariqmo anqrwpwn einai syllogiko organo. Mh me anagkazete na ermhneyw aples ellhnikes ennoies.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qewreite piqanh thn yparjh melwn ths Al Kainta h synergazomenwn sth xwra mas;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tetoies plhrofories.

KAKALHS: Ean oloklhrwqei h epanagora toy omologoy me thn protash poy jekinhse h JP MORGAN ayto qa apotelesei prohgoymeno kai gia ta ypoloipa Tameia na diekdikhsoyn pisw tis ependyseis se omologa ta opoia exoyn paqei zhmies;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa apanthsw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

KAKALHS: Giati ypoqetikes;

ANTWNAROS: Giati einai ypoqetikh. Arxizete me ``an''.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei apo to prwi mia seira dhlwsewn probeblhmenwn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, oi opoies anaferontai sthn ypoqesh twn omologwn.

ANTWNAROS: Ola ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias einai probeblhmena.

GKOYTZANHS: Den einai ola, k. Ekproswpe.

SPYRAKH: Entajei. Yparxoyn kai kapoia poy caxnoyme na broyme th fwtografia toys, gi` ayto to eipa.

GKOYTZANHS: To probeblhmeno den einai ajiologikh krish.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Ajiologikh krish einai. Gi` ayto kai egw lew oti ola ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias einai probeblhmena. Egw den kanw diakriseis metajy twn stelexwn.

GKOYTZANHS: To ``probeblhmena'' exei na kanei me thn probolh. Den exoyn oloi thn idia probolh kai den ejartatai apo thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto, eseis mporeite na to krinete, oxi egw.

SPYRAKH: Wraia. Sto qema mas. O k. Miltiadhs Ebert eipe ston ``ALPHA 9,89'' oti h eyqynh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias ejantleitai sthn ekdosh toy omologoy kai apo ekei kai pera den yparxei kanena allo qema. Pws krinete ayth thn topoqethsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw. Prokeitai, allwste, gia qemata ta opoia exoyn apanthqei --qa to pw gia mia akomh fora-- para polles fores tis teleytaies hmeres. Den yparxei tipota kainoyrgio na prosqesei kaneis. Kai osa emfanizontai ws kainoyrgia stoixeia, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw einai janazestameno faghto.

SPYRAKH: Malista. Ep` aytoy, loipon, qa hqela na sas rwthsw. H eikona twn stelexwn sas --poy enw kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs den yparxoyn kainoyrgia stoixeia kai einai janazestameno faghto ayto poy paroysiazoyn ta mesa mazikhs epikoinwnias-- ths kybernhtikhs paratajhs apo thn opoia proerxontai oles aytes oi dhlwseis, ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti qelete na peite me to ``ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh''.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na pw oti shmera yparxei ena qema, dioti yparxoyn diafora stelexh, probeblhmena h oxi, ta opoia kanoyn dhlwseis gia to qema twn omologwn, miloyn gia eyqynes, zhtoyn apo ypoyrgoys na fygoyn. Olh ayth h syzhthsh poy ginetai sto eswteriko toy kybernwntos kommatos, pws thn antimetwpizei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, exete kapoia protash na kanete, wste na ypodeixqei stoys anqrwpoys na mhn kanoyn eleyqera dhlwseis, opws ginetai sth Dhmokratia;

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi. Alla, mhpws exete eseis na toys kanete kapoia protash oti se mia ypoqesh poy exei lhjei, giati den exei kainoyrgia stoixeia kai giati einai janazestameno faghto, qa eprepe na stamathsoyn kai ekeinoi na thn janazestainoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den kanw tetoies ypodeijeis. Egw sebomai thn eleyqeria ekfrashs logoy...

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh ennow. Eseis proswpika oxi. Se kamia periptwsh k. Ekproswpe. Den qa hqela na parermhneyqei.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, h kybernhsh einai ayth poy sebetai prwta ap` ola thn eleyqeria ekfrashs logoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean mporeite na mas ejhghsete. Lete oti den yparxoyn kainoyrgia stoixeia. Tote giati kratietai ayth h ypoqesh dyo mhnes sthn epikairothta; Mhpws yparxei kapoia ejhghsh gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Cajte na to breite.

NASOPOYLOS: Problhmatizetai toylaxiston h kybernhsh, giati den peiqontai ayta ta stelexh apo th diaxeirish toy qematos apo kybernhtikhs pleyras, apo th stash poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh; Dioti otan yparxei mia anakyklwsh tetoiwn dhlwsewn kai fwnes gia apopompes h gia paraithseis, ayto prokyptei, oti den peiqontai ayta ta stelexh.

ANTWNAROS: Na sas pw kati: Se ayth thn aiqoysa, treis-tesseris fores shmera, orismenoi apo toys parontes synadelfoys sas  kai kaqoloy den toys adikw, giati to qema einai kai poly dyskolo kai polyploko kai polyepipedo-- eipan oti den exoyn antilhfqei to qema. Den einai kako na paradexetai kapoios oti den to antilambanetai.

SARANTAKOS: Ws melos toy Epikoinwniakoy Epiteleioy ths kybernhshs k. Ekproswpe, krinete oti se ayth th diaxeirish ayths ths ypoqeshs...

ANTWNAROS: Egw eimai Anaplhrwths Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

SARANTAKOS: Symmetexete sth diamorfwsh...

ANTWNAROS: Eimai Anaplhrwths Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Den apodexomai titloys, oi opoioi den yparxoyn qesmoqethmenoi.

SARANTAKOS: Entajei. Ws Anaplhrwths Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, qewreite oti yphrjan laqh sthn epikoinwniakh diaxeirish aytoy toy qematos tis teleytaies 55 hmeres;

ANTWNAROS: Allh erwthsh.

SARANTAKOS: Nai h oxi; Aplws ean qewreite...

ANTWNAROS: Ola ayta einai qewrhtikes syzhthseis.

SARANTAKOS: Qewrhtikes; Ti ennoeite; Tis qetei o k. Meimarakhs.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, exete polles hmeres na erqete sto briefing. Gia ola ayta ta qemata exoyn ypoblhqei erwthseis kai exoyn yparjei topoqethseis.

SARANTAKOS: O k. Meimarakhs to leei kaqe mera, me sygxwreite. Ti ennoeitai an egw erqei polles fores;

ANTWNAROS: Egw milw me ton k. Meimarakh taktikotata. Oles aytes oi erwthseis exoyn ypoblhqei kai exoyn apanthqei.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh ta epanaferei o k. Meimarakhs, gi` ayto kai sas janarwtw egw.

ANTWNAROS: Kai egw sas exw apanthsei. Egw parapempw stis apanthseis poy exoyme dwsei. Einai akribws oi idies. Den allazei tipote.

MELIGKWNHS: ``Laqrepibates'' sthn paratajh ths Neas Dhmokratias yparxoyn; Giati kati tetoio eipe o k. Kammenos.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den sxoliazw. Exoyme apanthsei.

GKOYTZANHS: Hqela na rwthsw gia ena allo qema, sxetika me tis eidikothtes twn foithtwn ths Iatrikhs. Xqes, o k. Giannopoylos ekane mia dhlwsh kai eipe oti qa enhmerwnontai, apo edw kai sto ejhs, arketa nwritera gia th diadikasia twn eidikothtwn. Wstoso, to qema einai me ton tropo me ton opoio egine ayth h diadikasia prosfata, opoy ekei prokyptei oti kapoioi anqrwpoi poy perimenan oti qa mpoyn se mia diadikasia eidikothtwn, twra xanoyn xronia, endexomenws katastrefoyn th zwh toys...

ANTWNAROS: Molis xqes o k. Roysopoylos, sas parepemce sto Ypoyrgeio Ygeias to opoio kai ejedwse anakoinwsh. Den exw na pw tipote allo panw s` ayto. Einai eidiko qema. Parakalw, loipon, na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

NASOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto to qema epeidh ebgale dhlwsh kai epeidh kat` oysian to Ypoyrgeio leei, o armodios Yfypoyrgos o k. Giannopoylos leei oti gia allagh, tropopoihsh nea, sto ejhs qa enhmerwnontai dyo mhnes nwritera oi foithtes. To erwthma einai gia poio logo egine h teleytaia tropopoihsh.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ygeias. Einai eidiko qema, to opoio den mporw na gnwrizw.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas rwtame kyrie Ekproswpe, giati kataggelletai mia paratypia apo thn pleyra toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ygeias. O,ti kataggelletai --oi opoioi isxyrismoi diatypwnontai-- den antapokrinetai panta sthn pragmatikothta. Ayto einai h dikh sas doyleia, na cajete na to breite. Kai sas lew oti to Ypoyrgeio einai anoikto, diaqesimo na sas dwsei oles tis plhrofories poy xreiazeste.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se ena allo qema. Qelw to sxolio sas gia thn apofash toy Synhgoroy toy Katanalwth poy zhtaei apo tis arxes na probainoyn sthn katasxesh twn pornografikoy ylikoy DVD poy dianemontai apo orismenes efhmerides.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, se apofaseis anejarthtwn Arxwn, opws einai kai o Synhgoros toy Katanalwth, den topoqeteitai h kybernhsh. Leitoyrgoyn, akribws, anejarthta.

SMYRNHS: Xqes, o Epitropos, k. Almoynia, kata kapoion tropo erije ena mastigio sthn kybernhsh gia to Asfalistiko. Kai me dedomenh ayth thn ejelijh pws qa pate na lysete to Asfalistiko otan yparxoyn tosa anoixta qemata gia thn ypoqesh twn omologwn kai balletai kaqe mera h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai giati syndeete ta dyo pragmata.

SMYRNHS: Giati ypotiqetai oti to qema toy Asfalistikoy einai ligo dyskolo na arxisei na syzhtietai otan ginetai xamos me thn ypoqesh twn omologwn poy afora Tameia.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Almoynia sthn omilia toy, topoqethqhke genikotera gia to asfalistiko qema kai thn ghransh twn plhqysmwn stis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Einai gnwsto oti h kybernhsh exei pei sygkekrimena pragmata gia to Asfalistiko, ta opoia kai isxyoyn apolyta. Den yparxei kamia allagh sth qesh mas gia to Asfalistiko.

NASOPOYLOS: Qelw na synexisw ligo thn erwthsh toy synadelfoy, toy k. Sarantakoy, nwritera kai epeidh eipate pio prin oti den exoyn antilhfqei to qema ta stelexh ths N.D...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw kati tetoio. Eipa oti opws se ayth thn aiqoysa --kai einai apolytws fysiko, den to qewrw katakriteo-- yparxoyn orismenoi oi opoioi dyskoleyontai na parakoloyqhsoyn ayto to qema, den sas krybw allwste oti kai gia mena to qema twn omologwn einai ena poly dyskolo qema, den einai ena aplo qema gia na to parakoloyqhsei kaneis. Einai ena qema xrhmatopistwtiko to opoio einai synqeto, apaitei eidikes gnwseis. Einai fysiko loipon kai orismena stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias na mhn exoyn tis eidikes gnwseis ekeines oi opoies xreiazontai gia na antilhfqoyn. Alla den anaferomai mono sth Nea Dhmokratia. Kai polla stelexh toy dhmosioy bioy, polloi anqrwpoi oi opoioi kata ta alla einai idiaitera proikismenoi, poly morfwmenoi, exoyn mia platia gnwsh para pollwn qematwn dyskoleyontai. Einai ena idiaitera dyskolo qema. Ayto eipa kai ayto isxyei.

NASOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto to logo, yparxoyn kai kapoies ekrhjeis, ayto katalaba egw, yparxoyn antidraseis.

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw. Koitajte, tis topoqethseis anqrwpwn as mhn tis blepoyme panta san ekrhjeis. Apoceis einai. H topoqethsh, h ekfrash mias apochs, mias diaforetikhs gnwmhs, den einai panta khryjh polemoy. Qa prepei na stamathsoyme na to blepoyme ayto to pragma etsi.

NASOPOYLOS: Telos pantwn. Ayto poy hqela na rwthsw, einai: Qewreite oti kai o k. Meimarakhs entassetai endexomenws se ayta ta stelexh poy profanws den exoyn antilhfqei epakribws to qema ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Giati to lete ayto;

GKOYTZANHS: Giati ebale kai ekeinos thn ypografh toy gia thn ekdosh toy omologoy, opws jerete, mazi me ton k. Doyka.

ANTWNAROS: Epanerxeste diarkws sto idio qema. Kai aytes oi erwthseis exoyn apanthqei. Yparxoyn anakoinwseis stis opoies kai parapempw. Ayto akribws, ayth h syzhthsh --kai xairomai poy ginetai ayth h syzhthsh edw shmera-- apodeiknyei ayto poy sas eipa eisagwgika. Oti den yparxei tipote to kainoyrgio. ``Janazestainetai to faghto'' synexeia. Kai den sas krybw oti aytos einai enas logos poy eyxaristws apantw tis diatypoymenes erwthseis, giati diapistwnw oti den yparxoyn kainoyrgia stoixeia, den perilambanoyn oi erwthseis kainoyrgia stoixeia. Ektos ean oi erwthseis stoxeyoyn sto na me odhghsoyn na pw kati diaforetiko ap` ayto poy eipe o k. Roysopoylos xqes h egw thn perasmenh ebdomada, pragma poy den mporei na symbei. Den mporeis na peis kati diaforetiko, otan den yparxei kati diaforetiko.

GKOYTZANHS: Makria apo mas tetoies proqeseis, alla mporw, mias kai to qesate etsi, na sas pw oti edw kai dyo mhnes exei empedwqei pia sth syneidhsh enos shmantikoy tmhmatos ths koinwnias, oti edw kati exei ginei. To qema paramenei, estw kai me ta idia erwthmata, dioti poly apla den exoyn doqei ikanopoihtikes apanthseis.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn doqei apolytws ikanopoihtikes apanthseis kai apo thn idia thn kybernhsh, h opoia einai ekeinh poy anedeije to sygkekrimeno qema to opoio yparxei. To anedeije mesw ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras, h opoia enisxyqhke kai qwrakisthke apo th shmerinh kybernhsh wste na antapokrinetai plhrws sto ergo ths, kati poy oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis kai ta melh ths --twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn-- kai nyn ocimoi epikrites olwn aytwn twn fainomenwn, eixan amelhsei, den eixan frontisei na kanoyn. Kai h kybernhsh h shmerinh, molis apokalyfqhke ayth h ypoqesh, ekane oti eprepe na kanei, apepemce aytoys poy eprepe na apopemcei kai esteile thn ypoqesh sth Dikaiosynh, opoy kai ereynatai. Kai edw stamataei ayto to kommati drashs ths kybernhshs, dioti analambanei h Dikaiosynh. Kai taytoxrona h kybernhsh lambanei ekeines tis qesmikes prwtoboylies oi opoies krinetai oti einai aparaithtes prokeimenoy tetoia fainomena, san ki ayto to ena, na mhn epanalhfqoyn sto mellon.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean moy epitrepete, epeidh exete pei polles fores oti h kybernhsh anedeije mesw ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras to zhthma, oi plhrofories oi dikes mas, oi dhmosiografikes, lene oti enas fakelos me stoixeia phge sthn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras. Kai epeidh malista oso to skeftotane h ekane tis dikes ths ereynes eixe kaqysterhsh, ths estalh kai ena anwnymo faj, opoy th rwtoysan ean skopeyei na kanei kati gia to qema h ean qa...

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw ti plhrofories exete. Fantazomai tis plhrofories poy exete, ws empeiros dhmosiografos, na tis dhmosieysete ekei poy prepei na tis dhmosieysete. Egw jerw pantws kai epanerxomai se ayto to qema, oti h sygkekrimenh Epitroph Kefalaiagoras, h opoia enisxyqhke kai qwrakisthke apo th shmerinh kybernhsh, ekane oti eprepe na kanei. Kai ayto einai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh. Kai ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora, oti h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras epi prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn, den mporoyse na kanei tipote.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia na mhn yparxei parejhghsh, egw den amfisbhtw oti ekane o,ti eprepe na kanei, etsi; Na einai safes ayto. Ayto poy lew einai oti to qema den proekyce apo dikh ths ereyna. Efoson tis estalhsan ta stoixeia ekane ayto poy eprepe na kanei. Proswpikh moy apoch, den mporoyse na kanei kai alliws.

ANTWNAROS: Tis proswpikes sas apoceis tis sebomai, alla mporeite na tis krathsete gia ton eayto sas. Edw einai xwros ypobolhs erwthsewn.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anagkazomai na epanelqw. Lete oti h kybernhsh ekane o,ti eprepe na kanei apo th dikh ths pleyra. Apepemce osoys eprepe na apopemcei kai apo ekei kai meta to qema to exei h Dikaiosynh, to exoyn oi armodies Arxes. Kai rwtw loipon pali: Ayta ta stelexh ths N.D. kai kybernhtika akomh stelexh, poy zhtoyn apopompes ypoyrgwn, yfypoyrgwn, Genikwn Grammatewn, qewroyn oti h kybernhsh profanws den exei kanei osa eprepe na kanei. Gia sas ayto einai ekfrash gnwmhs aplh; Den yparxei politiko qema se ayth thn istoria;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme apanthsei panw se ayto. Den prokeitai na epanelqw.

KAKALHS: Mporei na einai ena dyskolo qema ayto poy eipate, oi ependyseis se domhmena omologa. Oi pantes omws exoyn katalabei oti prokeitai gia ependyseis ychloy riskoy kai ayto to exei omologhsei kai o idios o k. Alogoskoyfhs, otan eipe oti prokeitai gia epikindyna omologa. Giati h kybernhsh den apegklwbizei ta tameia apo ayth thn ependysh; To politiko dia tayta ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei parei sygkekrimenes apofaseis oi opoies sas exoyn gnwstopoihqei edw kai para polles meres.

KAKALHS: Exei apagoreysei mexri na isxysei to kainoyrgio qesmiko plaisio. Meta omws qa synexisei.

ANTWNAROS: Protrexete.

Sas eyxaristw.

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