Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-04-16

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 16 Aprilioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 68124941

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 16 Aprilioy 2007

Xairete kai Xronia Polla.

" Ayrio stis 11.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata twn Ypoyrgeiwn Anaptyjhs kai Dikaiosynhs.

" Qa hqela na sas paroysiasw thn ekdosh toy biblioy gia ta politika gegonota ths xronias apo tis Genikes Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs. H desmeysh poy anelhfqh perysi, sth diarkeia toy prwtoy Dieqnoys Synedrioy gia ta Atoma me Anaphria kai thn Prosbasimothta toys sta MME, ginetai prajh h ekdosh, dhladh, twn politikwn gegonotwn ths xronias se systhma Mpraig. Afora dhladh toys synanqrwpoys mas oi opoioi exoyn problhmata orashs. Einai dyo shmantikes ekdoseis. Sth deyterh de, kanw idiaiterh mneia. Qelw na sygxarw toys dhmosiografoys kai toys ypoloipoys ypallhloys twn Genikwn Grammateiwn Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs poy ergasthkan gi` aytes tis dyo ekdoseis, oi opoies katagrafoyn ta gegonota ths xronias poy perase. Pisteyw oti einai xrhsimes, h men prwth stoys dhmosiografoys poy endiaferontai eidika gia ta arxeia, h de deyterh stoys anqrwpoys ekeinoys oi opoioi mexri twra den eixan th dynatothta prosbashs se tetoioy eidoys enhmerwsh.

Eimai bebaios, omws, oti exete pleistes oses alles erwthseis. Eimai sth diaqesh sas gia na apanthsw h na apopeiraqw.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, giati h kybernhsh den dinei sth dhmosiothta th symbash poy exei ypografei me thn JP MORGAN gia to epimaxo omologo twn 280 ekatommyriwn eyrw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa th dwsei sth Boylh, ap` o,ti gnwrizw.

KORAH: Den exei dwsei sth Boylh kai gi` ayto...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lew oti, ap` o,ti gnwrizw qa th dwsei sth Boylh. H dhmosiothta jerete, exei na kanei me polles parametroys. H mia einai h Boylh, poy einai h shmantikoterh ap` oles tis alles.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta apo enamish mhna h kybernhsh einai se qesh na mas dwsei merikes apanthseis, posa Tameia exoyn paijei se domhmena omologa, posa domhmena omologa exei ekdwsei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, posa Tameia ``espasan'' ta omologa poy eixan gia na paijoyn se ychloy riskoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh exete;

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi. Lew, ean exei h kybernhsh apanthseis se ayta ta erwthmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthsei polles fores h kybernhsh. Den protiqemai na apanthsw kai pali, shmera, se qemata poy exoyn hdh erwthqei kai apanthqei, epishs, polles fores.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh shmera yparxoyn dhmosieymata ston Typo kai malista xarakthristika sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'' gia dyo Tameia poy epaijan se omologa, ``espasan'' ta omologa, opws leei, prokeimenoy na plhrwqoyn syntajeis. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ek meroys ths kybernhshs; Prokeitai gia to TAP-OTE kai ena allo twn Dhmosiwn Ypallhlwn. Den qymamai twra to onoma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia oti diabasa to dhmosieyma kai qa ekana kai egw to idio erwthma poy kanete kai eseis, ean emena mono sthn prwth selida. Dhladh ean diabaza ayto poy leei sthn prwth selida. An diabasei kaneis to reportaz stis mesa selides, diapistwnei oti den yparxei kati tetoio. Dioti, apo thn arxh kiolas toy dhmosieymatos, o reporter milaei gia plhrofories oti isws kai entos toy etoys na proxwrhsoyn se pwlhsh domhmenwn omologwn klp. Antilambaneste oti apo plhrofories oti ``isws na ginei kati entos toy etoys'' sto ````spane'' me meiwsh timwn klp'', yparxei terastia dhmosiografikh diafora, sthn antilhch toylaxiston. En pash periptwsei, den qa pw tipote perissotero. Exei kanei hdh dhlwsh, safestath, o armodios Ypoyrgos.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, milwntas sthn ONNED o Prwqypoyrgos anefere metajy allwn ta ejhs: Efoson diapistwqoyn peristatika ejapathshs twn Tameiwn, tote me thn amesh syndromh toy kratoys ta Tameia qa diekdikhsoyn apozhmiwseis gia na epistrafoyn oi apwleies toys. Qa hqela na to dieykrinisete ligo ayto, dioti den to katalabainw. Prwton, otan leme apwleies, ti eidoys apwleies ennooyme; Diafygonta kerdh, fer` eipein, yperbolikes promhqeies; Epishs, pws diapistwnontai ta peristatika ejapathshs; Einai kati to opoio qa kanei h Dikaiosynh kai meta qa kanoyn kapoies agwges ta Tameia kai poia akribws qa einai h syndromh toy kratoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aporw giati den to katalabainete. Einai poly aplo. Se o,ti afora to prwto, ean yparxei kapoioy eidoys paratypia h paranomia: Hdh ginetai ereyna, opws gnwrizete, apo diaforetikes Arxes kai apo th Dikaiosynh. Se o,ti afora to deytero: Afora thn politikh boylhsh na proxwrhsei h kybernhsh sthn plhrh dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs ayths.

KAKALHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs, se xqesinh toy synenteyjh, dhlwse oti qa synexisoyn ta Tameia na ependyoyn se domhmena omologa. Hqela na rwthsw, h kybernhsh den ebgale kanena symperasma, den katalabe dhladh oti ta domhmena omologa einai eggyhmenh meqodos gia thn katalhsteysh twn apoqematikwn twn Tameiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw giati bgazete pali tetoia symperasmata. Ekeino to opoio eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs...

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai) to symperasma poy bgazei h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakalesw, sthn idiaiterh ektimhsh poy exw se oloys sas kai thn ektimhsh poy exw sthn enhmerwsh, na afhnete na teleiwsei o apantwn kai sth synexeia na janarwtate. En pash periptwsei, mia mono anafora qa kanw, giati den thn eixa pei. Exoyme syzhthsei para polles fores sto press room gia ta qemata twn omologwn. Den exw na prosqesw tipote kainoyrgio. Exoyn dwsei apanthseis kai oloi oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi. Exoyn doqei keimena epi keimenwn. Qa hqela aplws na qymisw oti ena megalo pososto twn omologwn poy exoyn ekdoqei, exoyn agorastei apo idiwtes ependytes kai apo jenoys oikoys. Ayto kati leei se o,ti afora thn apotelesmatikothta toys.

XIWTHS: Akoysa kai egw ton Prwqypoyrgo xqes kai omologw oti me exei mperdecei ligo. Se o,ti afora to kefalaio ``politikh eyqynh'', exw akoysei ypoyrgoys na miloyn oti se ayth thn ypoqesh yparxei syllogikh eyqynh, exw akoysei alloys ypoyrgoys na yposthrizoyn oti yparxei atomikh eyqynh. O Prwqypoyrgos xqes, sthn omilia toy, mas edwse na katalaboyme oti den dexetai oti yparxei eyqynh. Telikws h kybernhsh synolika, kyrie Ekproswpe, ti pisteyei; Exei eyqynh h kybernhsh gi` ayth thn ypoqesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw giati to katalabate ayto. Nomizw oti katalabate laqos.

XIWTHS: Mporei na katalaba laqos, gi` ayto sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw qa sas pw oti exontas apolyth synaisqhsh ths politikhs mas eyqynhs se ola ta qemata -giati mia kybernhsh exei politikh eyqynh gia ta qemata poy diaxeirizetai- proxwrhsame: Prwton, se parapomph ths ypoqeshs gia plhrh diereynhsh ths sth Dikaiosynh. Deyteron, se parapomph ths ypoqeshs sthn Arxh diereynhshs mayroy xrhmatos, thn opoia h kybernhsh, eirhsqw en parodw, exei qesmoqethsei. Triton, se syzhthsh sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs , katopin aithsews toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfh. Tetarton, se qesmoqethsh kanonwn poy den yphrxan mexri twra gia thn krish kai egkrish olwn twn Dioikhsewn twn Tameiwn apo dyo Anejarthtes Arxes, thn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras kai thn Trapeza ths Ellados. Mia kybernhsh h opoia kineitai me ayto ton ryqmo, me ayto ton tropo, ton diafanh kai ton taxyrryqmo, se ena tetoio qema, einai mia kybernhsh h opoia exei synaisqhsh ths politikhs eyqynhs kai thn apodeiknyei sthn prajh.

XIWTHS: Moy apariqmhsate mia seira apo energeies poy ekane pragmati h kybernhsh, afoy apokalyfqhke h ypoqesh ayth twn kratikwn omologwn. Egw erwtw, an h kybernhsh analambanei thn eyqynh gi` ayto poy synebh gia na fqasoyme sthn ypoqesh poy polloi apokaloyn skandalo, egw akomh den qa to apokalesw. Alla, en pash periptwsei, gia o,ti synebh, gia to oti h kybernhsh empisteythke kapoioys anqrwpoys poy den antapokriqhkan, ap` o,ti fainetai, stis prosdokies ths, h kybernhsh anagnwrizei oti exei kai h idia eyqynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa kindyneye na parejhghqei, an sas eyxaristoysa gia thn erwthsh. Qa to kanw omws giati moy qymizei kai qymizei kai se oloys toys ypoloipoys oti h kybernhsh einai ekeinh h opoia jekinhse to qema. Etsi apokalyfqhke to qema. Apo ereyna h opoia egine, h opoia odhghqhke sthn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras, enisxymenh pia, oxi opws sto parelqon, apo ereyna toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy kai oytw kaqejhs. Epanerxomaste se ena qema poy to syzhthsame prin apo ena mhna omws.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw, ean ston programmatismo toy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy yparxei gia tis epomenes hmeres synanthsh me ton Ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala, oti sto press room h apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sas anakoinwnw ta ranteboy ths epomenhs hmeras. Den blepw to logo giati na allajei ayth h taktikh poy thn akoloyqoyme edw kai tria xronia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Yphrje meta to Pasxa synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy h synergath toy Prwqypoyrgoy entos h ektos toy Majimoy me ton k. Tsitoyridh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa sthn kyria Spyrakh.

KARAMPASHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, symfwna me xqesino dhmosieyma, ths efhmeridas ``TO ARQRO'', to ellhniko Dhmosio ekxwrhse to 26% twn mellontikwn dikaiwmatwn toy apo to Eqniko Laxeio kai genika apo ta kratika laxeia se mia off shore etaireia gia na parei ena daneio 650 ekatommyria eyrw. Qa hqela kat` arxhn na moy peite ean einai mia synhqismenh praktikh, ean to qewreite logiko kai ean einai se gnwsh ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa yparxei apanthsh pros thn efhmerida apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete tis plhrofories oti 24 Tameia exoyn ``spasei'' omologa eggyhmenhs apodoshs gia na ependysoyn sta domhmena 1,26 dis. Genikotera h kybernhsh pote qa dwsei ta stoixeia se sxesh me tis ``ependyseis'' twn Tameiwn sta domhmena omologa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws, ston k. Gkoytzanh.

KORAH: Dyo erwthseis kyrie Ekproswpe. Qa epanelqw sth symbash ths JP MORGAN me thn kybernhsh. Giati den mas dinete mia eikona apo twra. Einai poly kaqarh ayth h symbash giati me tis plhrofories poy yparxoyn, mexri twra, einai oti ekane ena dwro 9 ekatommyriwn eyrw me ena poly kalo epitokio sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias gia to sygkekrimeno omologo alla eixe parallhla kai th desmeysh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias, na ths brei ton teliko agorasth poy htan ta Tameia kai ta opoia bebaia to xrysoplhrwsan to sygkekrimeno omologo. Jekaqarizei ayto to topio h symbash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti sebeste toys qesmoys. Otan loipon eipa prohgoymenws oti qa doqei sth Boylh, fantazomai oti qa sebasteite to gegonos oti h Boylh prohgeitai olwn twn allwn qesmwn kai twn dhmosiografikwn toioytwn.

KORAH: Wraia. Th deyterh erwthsh moy, mporw na thn kanw: Tetarth h Pempth chfizetai h tropologia h opoia qa orisei th nea diadikasia epiloghs twn melwn D.S. twn Tameiwn. H kybernhsh qa zhthsei tis paraithseis twn yparxontwn melwn gia na mh milhsw gia karatomhseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa ginei krish kai epanakrish. Qa apofasisoyn pia h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras kai h Trapeza ths Ellados gia ta qemata ayta.

KORAH: H kybernhsh rwtaw ti qa kanei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, h kybernhsh qesmoqetei ena neo tropo...

KORAH: Kai diorizei kai exei diorisei tis yparxoyses Dioikhseis. Qa zhthsei tis paraithseis toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw an to katalabate, allazei. Einai diaforetiko pia.

KORAH: Qewrw...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afhste me na oloklhrwsw, ean exete thn kalosynh. H kybernhsh apofasizei na qesmoqethsei oti tis Dioikhseis twn Tameiwn qa tis krinoyn kai qa tis egkrinoyn pleon h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras kai h Trapeza ths Ellados. Perimenete na deite to qesmiko plaisio. Qa yparxoyn apanthseis sto qesmiko plaisio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos qa perimenei thn oloklhrwsh twn anakrisewn, aytwn poy exei diatajei h kybernhsh gi` ayta ta omologa kai meta qa kanei anasxhmatismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apeyqynqei h idia erwthsh toylaxiston treis fores tis teleytaies 15, 20 hmeres. Isxyei h apanthsh poy exw dwsei. Bebaiws prepei na omologhsw oti thn diatypwnete diaforetika. Brhkate pio endiaferonta tropo kai me mperdecate pros stigmhn.

GKOYTZANHS: Tis teleytaies 15 hmeres, apokleietai k. Ekproswpe, giati den hsastan edw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto htan ypenqymish; Eyxaristw poly.

STAQOPOYLOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia ta epeisodia poy eixame kai ayth thn Kyriakh stoys podosfairikoys agwnes. Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti h bia sta ghpeda synexizetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apodeixqei kai exei anadeixqei h politikh boylhsh poy yparxei apo ayth thn kybernhsh gia thn katapolemhsh ths bias. Me ton idio tropo prepei na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys oi aqlhtikes arxes, epiballontas poines stoys prwtagwnistes twn epeisodiwn, opoy ayta ginontai. En pash periptwsei kai oi idioi oi prwtagwnistes qa prepei na mhn rixnoyn ladi sth fwtia me tetoies prajeis. Ofeiloyn, prwtoi apo oloys, na dinoyn to paradeigma toy filaqloy pneymatos.

NASOPOYLOS: Qelw na sxoliasete ena shmerino dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``TA NEA''. Yparxei thn teleytaia periodo ena sxedio apo thn pleyra twn toyrkikwn aeroskafwn, anaxaitisewn h anagnwrisewn sth mesh toy Aigaioy, panw apo thn Andro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia tetoia qemata, qa hqela na apeyqynqeite sta synarmodia ypoyrgeia Ejwterikwn kai Amynas.

GKOYTZANHS: H eikona gia to posa Tameia exoyn paijei, den mporei na mas dwsei h kybernhsh. Mhpws mporei na mas bohqhsei se kati allo, ean ektos apo ta Tameia yparxoyn kai alloi organismoi toy Dhmosioy h DEKO poy exoyn paijei domhmena omologa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa kanw mono mia parathrhsh sto rhma ``paizw''. Kata ta loipa, qewrw oti exw apanthsei.

KYRITSHS: Oles aytes oi prwtoboylies elegxoy tis opoies anelabe h kybernhsh den shmainoyn oti h kybernhsh anagnwrizei oti ektos apo to TEADY yparxei problhma kai me alla Tameia h mono logw toy TEADY exei jekinhsei olh ayth h istoria me tis treis Arxes poy elegxoyn kai tis allages olwn twn dioikhsewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti yparxei mia prospaqeia. Thn anelysa prohgoymenws se tessera shmeia sto peri politikhs eyqynhs erwthma poy moy eteqh apo synadelfo sas. Den blepw to logo giati prepei na epanalabw thn idia apanthsh. Exei jekinhsei mia ereyna, h opoia synexizetai. As perimenoyme ta apotelesmata ths.

KYRITSHS: H egkrish twn dioikhsewn twn Tameiwn apo thn Epitroph ths Kefalaiagoras kai thn Trapeza ths Ellados den dinei thn entypwsh oti apo edw kai pera ta Tameia qa asxoloyntai mono me ependyseis; Dioti den einai ekei gia na dinoyn syntajeis ta Tameia kai na asxoloyntai me toys asfalismenoys; Einai mono kai mono gia na kanoyn ependyseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den symfwnw mazi sas. Den dinei ayth thn entypwsh.

KYRITSHS: H Trapeza ths Elladas kai h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai bebaio oti xreiazontai nees dioikhseis, me thn ennoia twn dioikhsewn aytwn poy mporoyn na askhsoyn kalytera to ergo toys. Einai dyo Arxes oi opoies exoyn sxesh me thn agora, exoyn sxesh me toys tropoys dioikhshs -na mhn epanalabw ton oro management poy xrhsimopoieitai poly entona kai sta ellhnika- kai kata synepeia, ws ejeidikeymenes se ayta ta qemata, exoyn sigoyra kalyterh gnwsh apo thn opoiadhpote topoqethsh qa mporoyse na kanei opoiosdhpote tritos.

KYRITSHS: Akribws ayto sas lew. Me thn asfalish exoyn kapoia sxesh; Ta Tameia ayta einai asfalistika. Dinoyn syntajeis kai kanoyn tetoies doyleies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, kaqe Tameio exei toylaxiston dyo basikes pteryges doyleias. H men prwth exei na kanei me ta eswterika ths dioikhshs toy Tameioy. H de deyterh exei na kanei me ta apoqematika.

KARAMPASHS: To Sabbatokyriako qa eidate kai eseis oti yphrjan mexri kai prwtoselida se orismenes efhmerides oti stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs einai h allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy, anaptyssontas diafora senaria. Yparxei tetoio qema mexri th lhjh ths qhteias ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Isxyei h apanthsh poy exw dwsei kai allh fora.

SPYRAKH: Epeidh apanthsate sto endexomeno toy anasxhmatismoy, qelw na sas pw oti o symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Giannhs Kefalogiannhs, pro hmerwn sto EQNOS, milhse gia isxyres politikes prwtoboylies apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai shmera epanhlqe me dhlwseis toy sto SKAI kai eipe oti o Prwqypoyrgos prepei na proxwrhsei se anasxhmatismo, dioti yparxoyn stelexh ta opoia den exoyn ajiopoihqei. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio, dedomenoy oti to sygkekrimeno proswpo einai symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Gi` ayto to lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oytws h allws, se kaqe erwthsh apantw. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio se ayth thn erwthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mias kai mas ypenqymisate prohgoymenws oti h ereyna ayth apokalyfqhke se sxesh me ta omologa apo thn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras, exei perielqei se gnwsh ths kybernhshs kai proswpika se gnwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy to porisma ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na sas pw kati perissotero. Den gnwrizw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai mia deyterh erwthsh ep` aytoy. Se sxesh me to porisma poy anamenetai apo thn pleyra toy k. Zormpa, ths arxhs diereynhshs gia to jeplyma toy ...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apokleiw, pantws, h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras na steilei to porisma ston Prwqypoyrgo. Gi` ayto sas lew oti den exw kati peraiterw na pw. Qewrw oti merika pragmata einai aytonohta.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai. Qewrw, omws, egw oti ayto to porisma qa prepei na exei perielqei h na perielqei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ereyna ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras den katalhgei ston Prwqypoyrgo. Exoyme synhqisei na skeftomaste ligo yperbatika. Parakalw, qa hqela na skeftoyme me sygkekrimenoys oroys, kanones.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na moy epitrecete na skeftw tote kai na milhsw me oroys kai kanones. Den prepei na perielqei ayto to porisma sta xeria toy k. Alogoskoyfh ws armodioy ypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis ti nomizete;

PALAIOLOGOS: Nomizw pws nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tote, apeyqynqeite ston k. Alogoskoyfh. Allo erwthma;

PALAIOLOGOS: Na synexisw se sxesh me ta porismata; Giati hqela na rwthsw, ean exete gnwsh, pote anamenetai to porisma toy k. Zormpa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthste sthn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras. Rwthste sthn Arxh diereynhshs mayroy xrhmatos.

MPESKENHS: Prin apo ligo o k. Ris ekane ena sxolio, legontas oti oi xwres poy exoyn energeiakes elleiceis, opws h Ellada, ginontai omhroi twn xwrwn poy toys parexoyn energeia. Profanws ypainissomenos thn epektash sxetikhs symfwnias metajy Elladas-Rwsias. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw tetoia dhlwsh. Eipate oti egine prin apo ligo. Se kaqe periptwsh -asxetws toy prwtoy skeloys toy erwthmatos sas- exoyn ginei symfwnies, oi opoies exoyn anakoinwqei apo thn kybernhsh. Exoyn ypografei dhmosiws me bash dieqneis synqhkes kai symbaseis, me bash dimereis synqhkes kai symbaseis poy einai ep` amoibaia wfeleia ths xwras kai bebaiws ths xwras paroxoy.

XIWTHS: Qa epistrecw sthn erwthsh gia thn opoia me eyxaristhsate. Isws sas dwsw to dikaiwma na me eyxaristhsete kai deyterh fora. Kat` arxas, ayto poy eipate oti ``h kybernhsh apokalyce thn ypoqesh'' den isxyei. Thn ypoqesh, opws eseis eipate, thn apokalyce h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras poy den exei sxesh me thn kybernhsh kai gi` ayto ths empisteyeste na diorisei tis nees dioikhseis sta Tameia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean sas akoyge kapoios -epitrecte moy na sas diakocw- qa elege ``nai, etsi einai ta pragmata''. Ean, omws, miloysame gia mia allh periodo, otan dhladh h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras den eixe kamia tetoia armodiothta. Giati synebhsan kai ean synebhsan ena swro pragmata ston xrhmatisthriako xwro. Eixe h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras tis armodiothtes poy apekthse, epeidh ayth h kybernhsh tis edwse; Den tis eixe. Ara, loipon, na mhn jexname oti kai ta kala aryontai apo mia kybernhsh h opoia frontise na enisxysei, na qwrakisei qesmika mia Epitroph, opws h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras gia na mporei na leitoyrghsei etsi opws leitoyrgei shmera kai na mhn ``koykoylwnei''. Ypo ayth thn ennoia milw

XIWTHS: Malista. Exete dikio. Thn ypoqesh apokalyce h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras kai apokalyce mia ypoqesh h opoia anagnwrizoyme oloi  fantazomai kai eseis- oti einai idiaiterws sobarh. Ayto poy rwtw einai, ean h kybernhsh qewrei oti exei eyqynh gia thn apokalych ayths ths ypoqeshs apo th stigmh poy prwtagwnisthsan proswpa ta opoia h idia eixe diorisei. Kai epekteinw to erwthma moy gia na sas rwthsw, epishs, ean qewreite oti ayth h eyqynh poy profanws qa anagnwrisete einai syllogikh h atomikh. Dhladh, ean barainei synolika thn kybernhsh h ean barainei sygkekrimena proswpa mesa sthn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas eyxaristhsw giati me mperdecate. Qa sas pw oti isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

KAKALHS: Genikotera pisteyete oti h kybernhsh den exei thn ypoxrewsh na prostateyei thn perioysia twn Tameiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai exei apolyth ypoxrewsh na prostateyei, oxi mono thn perioysia twn Tameiwn, alla kai ta xrhmata toy Ellhna polith, to dhmosio xrhma.

KAKALHS: Kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, pws to ekane; Pws to kanei dhladh; Pws exei pei ston kosmo oti ...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oy sas peisw k` an sas peisw. Exw dwsei tis apanthseis moy. Parakalw poly, ta sxolia sas sthn efhmerida sas.

KAKALHS: Kaqoloy peistikes apanthseis (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta sxolia sas sthn efhmerida sas.

MELIGKWNHS: Akoysame xqes ton Prwqypoyrgo na milaei peri mhdenikhs anoxhs sth diafqora. Wstoso, meta apo toys Pakistanoys, tis ypoklopes, ta omologa, oles aytes tis ypoqeseis gia tis opoies den exei analhfqei kan politikh eyqynh, qewreite oti peiqei ayto, dhladh h mhdenikh anoxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na moy dwsete akribws thn ennoia ths diafqoras sthn ypoqesh twn Pakistanwn, twn ypoklopwn; Ligo mperdemena moy fainetai oti ta lete h egw mperdeythka. Ean exei teleiwsei h erwthsh sas, den exw na apanthsw tipota giati pragmatika den antilambanomai to erwthma sas.

MELIGKWNHS: H mhdenikh anoxh sth diafqora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai. Th diafqora sthn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn kai twn Pakistanwn, mporeite na thn entopisete; Giati balate mia seira ypoqeseis se ena tsoybali...

MELIGKWNHS: Na prosqesw kai thn ypoqesh twn koymparwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Parakalw, to erwthma sas poio einai;

MELIGKWNHS: Mporei na peisei meta apo aytes tis ypoqeseis to peri mhdenikhs anoxhs sth diafqora, opws epishs kai to oti o Prwqypoyrgos den ekane kamia anafora sthn politikh eyqynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na moy apanthsete, kai pali rwtw, ti sxesh exoyn ta men me ta de; Den mporeite na moy apanthsete. Na sas pw egw eyqews: Se o,ti afora th mhdenikh anoxh sth diafqora einai kati to opoio den apotelei keno periexomenoy logo, alla einai kati to opoio fainetai sthn prajh. Apodeiknyetai hdh edw kai ena mhna kaqhmerinws me mia seira apo energeies tines, tis opoies epanelaba shmera edw.

KAKALHS: Ap` oles aytes tis energeies poy exei kanei h kybernhsh mexri twra; Eiste sigoyros oti o ellhnikos laos, oi asfalismenoi jeroyn ti exei ginei sta Tameia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite ean exoyn enhmerwqei swsta;

KAKALHS: Oxi. Gia to...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to an exoyn enhmerwqei swsta...

KAKALHS: Gia to megeqos ths katalhsteyshs poy exei ginei sta Tameia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xrhsimopoieite mia frash h opoia den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, den exei ginei tipota, me ta Tameia. Ayth einai h apoch ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Prwton, xrhsimopoieite mia frash thn opoia qa hqela na janaskefqeite. Deyteron, ayth h kybernhsh...

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Loipon, na sas apanthsw: Ayth h kybernhsh parelabe thn perioysia twn Tameiwn sta 21 disekatommyria eyrw kai thn exei paei sta 31 disekatommyria eyrw mesa se tria xronia.

KAKALHS: Logistika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, qa me akoysete.

KAKALHS: Ma, den mas exete dwsei stoixeia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Kakalh, qa me akoysete. Kanete erwthseis kai exete thn tash na patate to koympi kai na parembainete gia na mhn akoystei h apanthsh. Parakalw qa me akoysete.

KAKALHS: Egw panta sas akoyw. Den mporw na kanw alliws. (Den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws egw den mporw na kanw alliws giati blepw oti synexws patate to koympi kai me diakoptete. Epanalambanw loipon, oti ayth h kybernhsh parelabe  opws eipe kai o arxhgos toy PASOK, sas qymizw, sth Boylh- 21 disekatommyria eyrw thn perioysia twn Tameiwn prin apo 3 xronia. To PASOK eixe paralabei 6 disekatommyria, kai mesa se 10, 11, 12 xronia ta ekane 21. Etsi den mas eipe o k. Papandreoy; Egw sas lew, loipon, oti se poly ligotero xroniko diasthma, se molis 3 xronia, ayjhqhke h perioysia twn Tameiwn kata 42,5%. Apo ta 21 phge sta 31 disekatommyria. Ayto eseis to lete katalhsteysh; Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti einai katalhsteysh ths logikhs kai ths antikeimenikhs dhmosiografias.

KAKALHS: Qa moy epitrecete na apanthsw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, kyrie Kakalh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edw kanete erwthseis. An qelete na kanete erwthsh, parakalw. Den ginetai dialogos.

KAKALHS: Pws apodeiknyete ayta poy lete; Mas exete dwsei pote stoixeia; Einai kaqara logistikh h ayjhsh. Einai eikonikh h ayjhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lypamai, alla diapistwnw oti den qelete na peisteite akomh kai an prospaqei kapoios me sobaro tropo kai me stoixeia na sas peisei. An den sas peiqoyn ta stoixeia...

KAKALHS: Alla mono me logia. Den mas exete dwsei stoixeia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An den sas peiqoyn ta stoixeia poy sas lew, den prokeitai na sas peisei tipota. Dioti erxeste prokateilhmmenos na mhn peisteite.

KAKALHS: Ferte ta stoixeia na peistoyme.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h ennoia ths politikhs eyqynhs pws orizetai apo thn kybernhsh; Enan orismo gia thn politikh eyqynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Thn orisa nwritera.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h ayjhsh ths perioysias twn Tameiwn apo ta 21 disekatommyria eyrw sta 31 thn opoia petyxe h kybernhsh, pws akribws epeteyxqh ektos apo thn anodo toy Xrhmatisthrioy; Egw den mporw na skeftw kati allo kai thn anodo toy Xrhmatisthrioy den jerw an thn petyxe h kybernhsh. Ekane kapoies alles ependyseis h kybernhsh; Pws ta ayjhse;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh den ypotimw th nohmosynh sas kai eimai bebaios oti den ypotimate th nohmosynh kanenos, na sas qesw ena aplo erwthma: Lete ``ektos apo thn anodo toy Xrhmatisthrioy'', to akoysa kai ayto to epixeirhma apo to PASOK. Ma, otan ta Tameia exoyn dynatothta, plhn elaxistwn ejairesewn poy phran sygkekrimenh adeia, na ependysoyn ews 14% se metoxes kai h ayjhsh einai 42,5%, to ypoloipo pws epeteyxqh; Gia dwste moy eseis thn apanthsh.

KYRITSHS: Ayto akribws sas rwtw ki egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dwste moy, loipon, thn apanthsh. Lete ``pws einai dynaton''; Eseis amfisbhteite me emmeso plhn safh tropo thn ayjhsh opws thn amfisbhthse o synadelfos sas nwritera.

KYRITSHS: Oxi, oxi...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai erxeste na moy peite, ``ektos apo thn ayjhsh toy Xrhmatisthrioy poy mas edwse kalyteres times to Xrhmatisthrio, den yparxei kati allo''. Kai sas lew, loipon, oti sthn ayjhsh toy Xrhmatisthrioy, to pososto sta Tameia einai poly mikro giati einai sto 14%.

KYRITSHS: Ayto den eimai se qesh na to elegjw ayth th stigmh. Den eimai proxeiros. Alla sas erwtw, apo kei kai pera, ektos apo ayto loipon, ti allo egine, to opoio to diekdikei h kybernhsh ws tropo me ton opoio thn idia ayjhsh (den akoygetai)...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai ta erwthmata ean kati den exei paei kala. Alla, gia erwthmata, ean kati exei paei kala, prokeimenoy na apodeijoyme eikazontas xwris kanena apolytws stoixeio apo thn pleyra toy dhmosiografoy oti den exei paei kala ayto poy emfanws phge, ti na sas pw;

KYRITSHS: Poy apodidete (den akoygetai);

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas lew sygkekrimena stoixeia, sygkekrimenoys ariqmoys, den toys dexeste kai anti aytwn moy lete oti den exei paei kala to pragma.

KYRITSHS: Toys dexomai, toys dexomai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An toys dexeste, loipon, den katalabainw ti einai ayto gia to opoio egkaleite thn kybernhsh.

KYRITSHS: Den sas egkalw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati ayjhqhke h perioysia twn Tameiwn se 3 xronia kata 42,5%; Gi` ayto egkaleite thn kybernhsh kai me rwtate;

KYRITSHS: Den sas egkalw. Exete th myga kai mygiazeste. Sas rwtaw me poion tropo egine ayto to pragma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na maqete me poion tropo.

KYRITSHS: Nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti ean pate sta antistoixa Tameia kai kanete reportaz qa to breite.

TSIOYFOS: Efoson ayjhqhke kata 42%...

ROYSOPOYLOS: 42,5%.

TSIOYFOS: ... 42,5% ta apoqematika twn Tameiwn giati speydete na allajete tis dioikhseis toys; Efoson ekanan kala th doyleia toys, petyxane. Giati speydete na tis allajete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti oi dioikhseis qa krinontai kai qa epanakrinontai. Ayto eipa. Eipa dyo lejeis ``krinontai kai epanakrinontai''. Kapoioi, loipon, qa epanakriqoyn, kapoioi qa kriqoyn eyqys ejarxhs. Otan lew oti qa epanakriqoyn, ennow oti aytoi poy yparxoyn hdh qa epanakriqoyn. Kapoioi alloi mporei na kriqoyn ejarxhs gia na topoqethqoyn neoi.

SPYRAKH: Anaferate, kyrie Ekproswpe, mia seira apo prwtoboylies sto erwthma toy k. Xiwth se o,ti afora th diadikasia ths analhchs ths politikhs eyqynhs gia to qema. Qelw na rwthsw ean oi prwtoboylies poy anaferate einai aytes kai den yparxei kati peraiterw. Dhladh, ean qewreite oti ola ayta poy kanate, thn parapomph sth Dikaiosynh, sthn Arxh gia to jeplyma toy ``brwmikoy'' xrhmatos ktl, ta opoia eipate, einai ayta ta stadia sta opoia ejantleitai h diadikasia ths analhchs ths eyqynhs apo thn kybernhsh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan xreiazetai otidhpote, apodeiknyetai oti ayth h kybernhsh to kanei prajh. An dhladh xreiastei kai kati akomh, to otidhpote xreiastei, poy na einai sthn kateyqynsh ths diafaneias sth leitoyrgia -oxi mono twn Tameiwn, genikotera allwn organismwn- ths antimetwpishs problhmatwn poy tyxon yparxoyn kai den gnwrizoyme ayth thn wra, oyte eseis oyte egw, na eiste bebaioi -kai ayto apotelei apodeijh- oti h kybernhsh qa to kanei prajh.

SPYRAKH: Ayto poy lete perilambanei kai energeies sto politiko pedio, kyrie Ypoyrge;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti na sas apanthsw; Exw dexqei thn idia erwthsh me 10 diaforetikoys tropoys.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa moy epitrecete giati kati den exw katalabei h yparxei kapoia anakoloyqia sth skech sas. Apo th mia zhtate na pistwqei sthn kybernhsh oti h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras apokalyce thn ypoqesh, opws epishs zhtate na pistwqei oti paroti leitoyrgoyn aytonoma oi dioikhseis twn Tameiwn, ayjhse thn perioysia toys, kai apo thn allh den dexeste oti exei eyqynh kai sthn ypoqesh twn Tameiwn h kybernhsh. H exei synolika thn eyqynh kai gia ta qetika kai gia ta arnhtika h den thn exei. Den mporei na thn exei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa se mia isopedwtikh logikh h opoia elege: Prwton, se o,ti afora ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs oti to PASOK ayjhse thn perioysia twn Tameiwn. Apanthsa, loipon, se ayto dinontas stoixeia, legontas oti apo thn periodo A ews thn periodo B eixame ayth thn ayjhsh. Apo thn periodo B ews thn periodo G ekeinh thn ayjhsh. Apanthsa sto oti oi dioikhseis twn Tameiwn diorizontai ayth th stigmh, opws jeroyme, apo thn kybernhsh, leitoyrgoyn aytonomws. To oti diorizontai apo thn kybernhsh to gnwrizete kai eseis kai egw, to gnwrizoyn oloi. Gi` ayto kai h kybernhsh erxetai me ena neo qesmiko plaisio na pei oti qa diorizontai diaforetika. Apanthsa se mia isopedwtikh kritikh, se mia isopedwtikh logikh, dinontas ola ta stoixeia. O kaqe poliths, loipon, o opoios den exei thn idea fijarismenh sto myalo toy, mporei na bgalei ta symperasmata toy. Bgalte ta symperasmata sas. Den mporw na sas bohqhsw se ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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