Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-03-26

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 26 Martioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 64509055

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 26 Martioy 2007

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" Ayrio, stis 11:00, qa synedriasei, sto Megaro Majimoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs.

" Se ligh wra, opws exei hdh anakoinwqei, o Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MAYRIDHS: Ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh h dhlwsh toy k. Mperns gia to aytonohto oti o Ai Straths den einai apostratiwtikopoihmenh perioxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhke prin apo ligh wra h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, ejerxomenh toy Megaroy Majimoy, meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai exei dwsei apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Gnwrizete an ayth th dhlwsh toy k. Mperns th zhthse h ellhnikh pleyra kai deyteron, sas ikanopoiei kai to deytero skelos ths dhlwshs toy Mperns oti gia to qema qa apofasisei to NATO;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H k. Mpakogiannh apanta safws sto erwthma sas.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes h KYRIAKATIKH ELEYQEROTYPIA apokalyce mia nomoqetikh ryqmish toy k. Sabba Tsitoyridh, symfwna me thn opoia polles armodiothtes apo ta Tameia perasan ston Eidiko Grammatea toy, ton k. Papadopoylo. O Ypoyrgos, otan eixe erwthqei kai sygkekrimena apo ton k. Pretenterh sthn ekpomph ``Anatroph'' sto MEGA, ean eixe thn opoiadhpote sxesh o k. Papadopoylos me ta Tameia, apantoyse epaneilhmmena ``oxi, oxi, oxi''. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs gi` ayth thn alhqeia poy apekryce o Ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti sygxeete diaforetika pragmata metajy toys kai dhmioyrgeitai mia entypwsh oti yparxoyn eyqynes ekei poy den yparxoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se olh ayth thn ypoqesh egw qelw na rwthsw, poios edwse thn entolh h ypedeije sta Asfalistika Tameia na spasoyn ta omologa staqerhs kai eggyhmenhs apodoshs poy eixan gia na agorasoyn ta nea ychloy riskoy kai amfibolhs apodoshs poy epetrece ayto to ``parti'' me ta xrhmata twn syntajioyxwn; Htan o k. Doykas ypeyqynos, opws ypainissetai o k. Tsitoyridhs kai leei to periballon toy h o k. Alogoskoyfhs, opws deixnei o k. Doykas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: ``Ta Asfalistika Tameia einai aytonomoi, anejarthtoi kai aytodioikoymenoi dhmosioi organismoi poy ependyoyn ta apoqematika toys me apofaseis twn dioikhtikwn symboyliwn toys, twn monwn kata nomo armodiwn kai ypeyqynwn organwn gia th diaxeirish kai ajiopoihsh ths perioysias toys. Shmeiwnetai oti se polla dioikhtika symboylia twn asfalistikwn organismwn, h pleiochfia anhkei stoys airetoys ekproswpoys twn asfalismenwn kai syntajioyxwn''. Sas diabasa molis twra, apospasma apo apanthsh poy doqhke sth Boylh, stis 8 Ioynioy 2001, apo ton tote Yfypoyrgo ths kybernhshs toy PASOK k. Niko Farmakh, se erwthsh toy boyleyth toy PASOK k. Panagiwth Krhtikoy. H apanthsh moy -emmesws se sas, eyqews sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs to opoio prospaqei, me bash ena qema to opoio h kybernhsh xeiristhke me kaqarothta apo thn arxh, na dhmioyrghsei sygxysh- einai tetoia poy epibebaiwnei thn anakoloyqia ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs: Dhladh, alla leei kai prattei otan einai kybernhsh, alla leei kai prattei otan einai antipoliteysh. Qewrw oti exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Moy epitrepete kati kyrie Ekproswpe; Me sygxeete me to PASOK kai den einai swsto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Dieykrinisa apo thn arxh oti den einai apanthsh se sas. Eipa oti dinw mia apanthsh, me aformh ena keimeno toy PASOK. Pisteyw oti sthn apomagnhtofwnhsh einai emfanes ayto poy eipa apo thn arxh. Se kamia periptwsh -na to dhlwsw mias kai to eipate- den sygxew kanena dhmosiografo me kanena komma. Ayth htan h antilhch moy kai ws dhmosiografoy kai twra.

POYLIDOY: Sthn KYRIAKATIKH ELEYQEROTYPIA diabasa oti o Ypoyrgos Ygeias k. Abramopoylos, agorase eisithrio prwths qeshs gia Oyasigkton, ajias 12.500 eyrw aytos kai oi synergates toy, to opoio epibebaiwse kai o idios o Ypoyrgos Ygeias. Qewreite oti ayto einai synepes pros to pneyma poy exei dwsei o Prwqypoyrgos gia semna kai tapeina, gia perikopes dhmosiwn dapanwn kai ola ayta; Nomotypo einai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Apanthsate, loipon, monh sas sto erwthma.

POYLIDOY: Den sas rwtw an einai nomotypo...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai nomimo. Giati to nomotypo, opws antilambaneste, exei kai mia deyterh ennoia.

POYLIDOY: Sas rwtw an einai mesa sto klima twn protropwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai synolika ths kybernhshs gia perikopes dhmosiwn dapanwn, semnh kai tapeinh symperifora ktl.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas pw, loipon, oti exei proxwrhsei mia seira apo draseis oi opoies perikoptoyn polla apo ta ejoda ta opoia ginontan sto parelqon...

POYLIDOY: Stis apostoles twn dhmosiografwn...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, kai se ayto. Antilambanomai oti yparxei mia prospaqeia  den th xrewnw se esas- na dhmioyrghqoyn entypwseis gia ena qema, sto opoio epi seira etwn, etsi synebaine. Dioti ofeilei kaneis na analogistei oti h kaqe xwra exei mia kybernhsh, h ekproswphsh ths opoias mporei na mh dhmioyrgei tis synqhkes ekeines apo mikra, opws ayto poy anaferate, alla ypoxrewnei se orismenes symperifores. Se kamia periptwsh, h symperifora thn opoia anaferate, den dhmioyrgei thn entypwsh thn opoia qelete na dhmioyrghsete.

POYLIDOY: Eseis me ti eisithrio tajideyete kyrie Ypoyrge;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti problepei o nomos.

POYLIDOY: Prwths qeshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti problepei o nomos.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, an katalaba kala ayta poy eipate prohgoymenws, poy epikalesthkate prohgoymenws ta peri aytonomias twn Tameiwn poy ta elege to PASOK gia na dikaiologhsei th lehlasia twn Tameiwn sth dikh toy diakybernhsh, ta lete gia na dikaiologhqoyn ta shmerina skandala apo thn kybernhsh, apo th dikh sas kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabate kala.

KAKALHS: Ma, den eipate kati diaforetiko. Eipate akribws to idio poy elege kai to PASOK. To idio epixeirhma poy elege kai to PASOK, to idio epikaleiste kai eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwthsate, an katalabate kala. Sas eipa oti den katalabate kala. Epanalabete thn erwthsh sas kai dieykriniste.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas dieykrinisete ti akribws qelete na peite me ayth thn anafora toy PASOK; Den isxyei ayto gia thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To eipa apo thn arxh.

MELIGKWNHS: Shmera synedriase sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs me ton k. Zormpa. Dedomenoy omws oti gi` ayth thn istoria me ta omologa, ektos apo to Ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs, elegxetai wsotoy na diapistwqoyn oi diadromes kai ola ayta, kai to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias. Pws einai dynaton o k. Zormpas, o opoios kata kapoio tropo einai o elegkths, na syskeptetai me toys elegxomenoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai toylaxiston politika afelhs h apoch thn opoia akoysa na ekpempetai kai pali apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs oti sygkalei kapoios dhmosia syskech, prokeimenoy na ephreasei to opoio apotelesma twn ereynwn. Oi ereynes qa proxwrhsoyn kai qa proxwrhsoyn me arxes poy  sas qymizw- oxi aplws qesmika qwrakise ayth h kybernhsh, alla kai dhmioyrghse ayth h kybernhsh.

SMYRNHS: Mia kai eimaste sto qema ths syskechs, giati apoysiazei o k. Tsitoyridhs apo ayth; Den qa htan xrhsimh h paroysia toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei dwsei apanthsh o Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. An den th gnwrizete, mporw na thn epanalabw. O k. Tsitoyridhs elegxei apo thn pleyra twn Tameiwn. To Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn sygkalese syskech me toys yp` ayto -toy Ypoyrgeioy dhladh -foreis gia na syzhthsei to qema ths armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. H entolh toy k. Alogoskoyfh einai entolh ereynas se baqos, prokeimenoy na bgoyn sto fws ola ta stoixeia ta opoia qa apokalycei ayth h ereyna.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mexri to prwi toy Sabbatoy, thn ypoqesh twn omologwn ereynoysan anejarthtoi foreis, opws einai h Dikaiosynh, h Eqnikh Arxh gia ton elegxo toy brwmikoy xrhmatos kai apo to Sabbato kai to SDOE. Den katalabainw giati aytoi oi anejarthtoi foreis eprepe na symmetasxoyn se mia syskech me thn kybernhsh, h opoia mexri to Sabbato toylaxiston den emplekotan stis ereynes poy diejagontan kai den katalabainw poio htan ayto to nohma ths shmerinhs syskechs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei dwsei apanthseis o Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. Epishs nomizw oti sas kalyptei en merei, kai ayto poy sas eipa prohgoymenws.

XIWTHS: Epeidh den me kalyptei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: To Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn einai sth diaqesh twn arxwn aytwn, oi opoies ereynoyn thn ypoqesh, prokeimenoy na diaqesei opoiodhpote stoixeio xreiastei kai brisketai stis yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, gia na dialeykanqei plhrws to qema.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epanelqw sto arxiko moy erwthma dedomenoy oti h ypoqesh twn omologwn einai ena meizon qema me to opoio deixnei na asxoleitai sobara h kybernhsh, exei zhthsei eis baqos ereyna, ola sto fws, ayto einai to mhnyma poy qelete na steilete. Otan, loipon, enas Ypoyrgos o opoios malista exei amesh sxesh me thn ypoqesh twn omologwn apokryptei kati shmantiko, leei cemata den einai sobaro qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epanelqw sthn arxikh moy apanthsh.

NASIOPOYLOS: Einai kanonikh h diadikasia dhladh na kalei enas Ypoyrgos sto grafeio toy, sto Ypoyrgeio toy anejarthtoys foreis, anejarthtes elegktikes arxes gia na pei oti eimaste sth diaqesh sas na kanete ereyna; Einai synhqes ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai kati to opoio emperiexei thn opoiadhpote paratypia. Ean synergastw, eite phgainontas egw sto Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs eite erxomenos o Proedros toy ESR sto grafeio moy, ayto monon se analyseis opws ayth thn opoia xarakthrisa prohgoymenws, mporei na qewrhqei spoydaio. Qa moy epitrecete na epanalabw oti einai toylaxiston politika afelhs h analysh ekeinwn poy pisteyoyn oti h syskech, dhmosia, ginetai prokeimenoy na ephreastoyn ta melh twn arxwn.

KAKALHS: Ayth h entolh ereynas se baqos poy exei dwsei h kybernhsh, mporeite na mas peite se ti afora; Apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh den apodexetai oti yparxei oyte diaxeiristiko skandalo, oyte politiko, giati akribws exete dwsei entolh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete mia mikrh sygxysh sta qemata. Apo thn prwth stigmh h kybernhsh kinhqhke me poly sygkekrimenoys tropoys. Qa toys epanalabw, paroti foboymai oti qa sas koyrasw.

KAKALHS: To erwthma einai aplo. Apodexeste oti yparxei skandalo, nai h oxi; Diaxeiristiko h politiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na ypobalw ki egw me th seira moy ena erwthma to opoio sas exw ypobalei toylaxiston treis fores sto parelqon: Otan rwtate qelete apanthsh h aplws nomizete oti me katagrafomenh thn apoch sas ikanopoieite plhrws thn apostolh sas;

KAKALHS: Nomizw oti to erwthma moy einai safes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti me rwtate gia na parete apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Akribws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An, loipon, otan me rwtate kai arxizw na sas apantw me diakoptete gia na moy kanete nea erwthsh h parathrhsh, qa hqela na to gnwrizw. Peite moy ``over, teleiwse h erwthsh moy'' na arxisw ki egw thn apanthsh moy. Teleiwsate thn erwthsh sas;

KAKALHS: Oxi. Gia na mhn talaipwreiste me makroskeleis apanthseis. Apanthste apla, an kata thn kybernhsh yparxei skandalo, diaxeiristiko h politiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia aploikh proseggish h opoia perikleietai sto kata ta alla endiaferon erwthma sas. Dioti qemata ta opoia einai toso synqeta, opws ayto poy gnwrizoyme oloi mas -ws synqeto nomizw oti to antilhfqhkame oloi mas tis teleytaies hmeres- den epidexontai oyte aploikwn erwthsewn, oyte aploikwn apanthsewn.

KAKALHS: Zhmia sta Tameia yparxei mexri twra apo tis kinhseis poy exoyn ginei; Mporeite na apanthsete se ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn apanthqei ta erwthmata ayta. Ekeino to opoio einai meizon -qa to epanalabw- einai: Prwton, ekeinoi poy apokalycan thn ypoqesh ayth, den einai kapoioi tritoi h kapoioi jenoi. Doqhke entolh apo thn enisxymenh, apo ayth thn kybernhsh, Epitroph Kefalaiagoras gia ereyna. Doqhke entolh apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs gia ereyna h opoia oloklhrwqhke entos 10 hmerwn. To porisma ayths ths ereynas estalh apo ton idio Ypoyrgo ston Eisaggelea kai zhthqhke h syndromh ths Dikaiosynhs. Deyteron, h Dikaiosynh kanei th dikh ths ereyna drwntas anejarthtws, opws panta, ws anejarthth ejoysia. To trito kai shmantikotero shmeio, to opoio epanelabe o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh thn perasmenh Paraskeyh, einai: Ayth h kybernhsh oxi mono den kalyptetai pisw apo profaseis, oxi mono den apokryptei, den koykoylwnei, alla otan apokalyptetai to opoiodhpote problhma, ekeino poy prwtistws kanei, afoy zhthsei th diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs apo th Dikaiosynh, einai na enisxysei qesmika -wste na mh dhmioyrghqoyn fainomena ta opoia dhmioyrgoyn yponoies sto mellon- thn kaqe jexwristh arxh, thn kaqe jexwristh periptwsh. Sas qymizw, gia paradeigma, oti apoqematika Tameiwn xrhsimopoihqhkan se alles periodoys. Den qa kanw megalh anadromh, giati pisteyw oti den einai toso konth h mnhmh toy Ellhna polith gia na milhsw gia ta apoqematika twn Tameiwn kai kyriws gia ta kefalaia poy xaqhkan apo ta Tameia. Qa pw mono oti mia seira apo problhmata poy anakalycan oloi sthn poreia, oyden eprajan oi prohgoymenoi kybernwntes gia na to diorqwsoyn. Lew, loipon, opws dhlwse o Prwqypoyrgos thn Pempth sthn pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh sth Boylh, oti ayth h kybernhsh qesmika qwrakizei diarkws to dhmosio systhma, etsi wste to xrhma toy Ellhna polith na mhn kindyneyei. Einai gia paradeigma, megalh kainotomia, mia kainoyrgia arxh, h apofash ths kybernhshs na nomoqethsei prokeimenoy na mhn diorizei  opws epi dekaeties synebaine- h kaqe kybernhsh tis dioikhseis twn Tameiwn, alla na diorizontai katopin egkrisews ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras kai ths Trapezas ths Ellados. Kai an mas kathgorei kapoios oti kaqysterhsame, qa epanalabw ayto poy eipe o Kwstas Karamanlhs sth Boylh: ``Emas mporei na mas phre dyo h tria xronia na maqoyme ena problhma, shmasia exei oti den to koykoylwsame, shmasia exei oti to ereynoyme se baqos kai shmasia exei oti pairnoyme qesmikes apofaseis gia na mhn janasymbei ayto to problhma''.

GKOYTZANHS: Opote h kybernhsh exei pleon mia kaqarh eikona poia htan ta Tameia ta opoia espasan ta omologa poy dieqetan kai ependysan se ayta ta kainoyrgia ychloy riskoy kai me ti diadikasies; Exei mia synolikh eikona na mas dwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan oloklhrwqei ayth h ypoqesh  kai elpizw, den mporw na gnwrizw, na einai syntoma- qa yparxei dhmosiopoihsh olwn twn stoixeiwn.

NASOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite poy epistrefw sto idio qema. Rwtw gia to prohgoymeno, gia th (den akoygetai) toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Epeidh epikalesthkate kai kapoio paradeigma poy afora th dikh sas qesh kai to Radiothleoptiko Symboylio. To zhthma den einai ayto, ean eseis ws ypoyrgos synergazeste me to ESR gia ena qema h ean o k. Alogoskoyfhs, ws ypoyrgos Oikonomias, fwnajei tis elegktikes arxes gia ena qema poy proekyce me kapoies biomhxanies, gia paradeigma. Edw, to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kat` oysian einai emplekomeno. Fainetai oti exei dwsei ena omologo, kapoioi to exoyn xarakthrisei ``kryfo'' kai kapoia Tameia to exoyn parei, exontas kanei ayto to omologo ena kyklo. H ereyna, typois toylaxiston, afora kai to idio to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo thn perasmenh ebdomada exoyn doqei apanthseis kai se ayth thn aiqoysa kai apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, peri ths ekdosews ths ajias, toy ycoys dhladh, toy omologoy kai toy ycoys poy eftase sta Tameia. Sas qymizw oti htan 280 ekat. to omologo poy ejedoqh. Htan 280 ekat. to omologo h ta omologa poy agorasthkan apo ta Tameia.

GKOYTZANHS: Se sxesh me ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai to epanalabate eseis, oti mporei esas na sas phre tria xronia gia na diapistwsete ena problhma, alla kanate kinhseis, afhnontas aixmes oti to PASOK den eixe kanei antistoixes kinhseis. Kat` arxhn, milame gia to idio problhma; Otan memfeste to PASOK oti epi twn hmerwn toy den eixe kanei kinhseis, milame gia to idio problhma; Milame gia ta omologa ta opoia diakinoysan ta Tameia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milame gia thn politikh antimetwpish qematwn synafwn me th diaxeirish dhmosioy xrhmatos.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai otan leei oti ``emas mas phre tria xronia'', poioys ennoei; Ennoei ton eayto toy kai to Megaro Majimoy h ennoei kai ton k. Alogoskoyfh kai ton k. Doyka;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai safhs. Ean prospaqhsei kapoios na parei mia politikh anafora, h opoia einai eidikh ws pros thn ajia ths, genikh ws pros th qematologia, qa bgalei to symperasma. Legontas ``eidikh ws pros thn ajia ths'' ennow oti exei ajia otan mia kybernhsh antilambanetai ena problhma. Kai yparxoyn xiliades problhmata poy gennioyntai kaqhmerina se mia polysynqeth koinwnia, se enan polysynqeto mhxanismo, opws einai ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai sth xwra mas kai se alles xwres. Exei shmasia ean ayth h kybernhsh analambanei politikh drash, lambanei prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy antistoixa qemata na lyqoyn kai na mhn emfanistoyn sto mellon ws problhmata. Ayth loipon einai h eidikh anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Se o,ti afora to genikotero zhthma toy omologoy poy syzhtoyme aytes tis hmeres, nomizw oti den xreiazetai peraiterw dieykrinish. Oi prajeis, opws tis anefera mia pros mia, dinoyn apanthsh.

KYRITSHS: Ypo to fws twn proxqesinwn symbantwn sto ghpedo, qewrei h kybernhsh oti yparxei kapoio zhthma me thn eqnikh diapaidagwghsh sthn Ellada thn opoia prosferei h oikogeneia, to ekpaideytiko systhma, h Ekklhsia kai oi ypoloipoi ideologikoi mhxanismoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas kai ws ek toytoy den mporw na apanthsw.

KYRITSHS: To mats to eidate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Hmoyn sth Germania.

KYRITSHS: Na sas perigracw, en taxei, ti ginotan stis ejedres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy kanete pio safes to erwthma sas.

KYRITSHS: Moy kanei entypwsh to gegonos oti mia koinwnia bgainei sta thleoptika paraqyra kai wryetai otan kapoioi Ellhnes polites kaine th shmaia toys kai h idia koinwnia meta phgainei sto ghpedo kai gioyxarei ton eqniko ymno mias allhs xwras. Kai rwtw, ayto synista kapoio problhma diapaidagwghshs kata thn kybernhsh; Exete kapoio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi energeies einai apodokimastees kai stis dyo periptwseis. Qa moy epitrecete na kanw mia mono parathrhsh: Den qewrw oti h koinwnia einai ws mia kai eniaia, opws thn anaferate, poy probainei stis a', b' h g' prajeis. Sth Dhmokratia mas yparxoyn meiochfies  eytyxws- oi opoies droyn me ton tropo poy perigracate kai poy den tima, bebaiws, th xwra. Den tima toys idioys, prwtistws toys idioys. Se o,ti afora th diapaidagwghsh, antilambanomai oti prospaqeite na anakalycete kati to opoio den qa sas to prosferw.

KYRITSHS: O k. Giakoymatos einai se aytes tis meiochfies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw gia poio qema me rwtate. Qelete na kanete sygkekrimenh thn erwthsh sas;

KYRITSHS: Nai. O k. Giakoymatos bghke meta to mats kai anti na prospaqhsei na kateynasei ta pneymata eixe yfos ejorgismenoy xoyligkanoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai; Moy zhtate na krinw to yfos;

KYRITSHS: Giati oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na mhn to kanw.

KYRITSHS: Goysto sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Na sas kanw mia erwthsh ligo istorikoy periexomenoy; Mias kai ypoqetw oti san...

ROYSOPOYLOS: San ejetaseis ths G' Lykeioy;

GKOYTZANHS: ... boyleyths kai ypoyrgos poy eiste qa exete diabasei opwsdhpote ellhnikh istoria. Nomizete oti to 1922 yphrje jafnika megalos synwstismos sto limani ths Smyrnhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai oti mesa apo to erwthma sas ypokryptetai olh ayth h endiaferoysa syzhthsh gia to biblio ths Istorias ths ST' Dhmotikoy. Sas qymizw oti exw hdh dwsei apanthsh. Exei dwsei apanthsh kai h ypoyrgos Paideias.

GKOYTZANHS: Sto sygkekrimeno erwthma h genikws gia to biblio; Sto sygkekrimeno, den nomizw na exete dwsei apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean qymhqeite thn apanthsh poy sas eipa, qa diapistwsete oti den yparxei logos o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos h h ypoyrgos Paideias na arxisoyn na anaferontai se ena pros ena shmeia enos biblioy.

GKOYTZANHS: Egw gia ena istoriko gegonos sas rwthsa, oxi gia to biblio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na kanoyme th syzhthsh mas, an qelete, sto plaisio mias hmeridas h dihmeridas. Sto press-room einai allos o stoxos ton opoio prospaqoyme na yphrethsoyme kai oi dyo pleyres.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, fainetai oti yparxei mia syzhthsh kai stoys kolpoys toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias. Dhladh, o yfypoyrgos k. Kalos ekane logo gia aposyrsh toy biblioy, h k. Giannakoy shmera sthn ``APOGEYMATINH'' kanei logo gia diorqwsh. Yparxei eniaia stash gia to qema ayto sto ypoyrgeio Paideias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei eniaia stash. Milhsa to prwi me ton k. Kalo. Den apodidontai  toylaxiston sto apospasma to opoio dhmosieyqhke kapoy- oi dhlwseis toy opws akribws eginan.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh lambanei ypoch ths thn apofash ths Olomeleias toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias me thn opoia antitiqetai toso sthn anaqewrhsh toy arqroy 24, oso kai sthn idrysh syntagmatikoy dikasthrioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oles oi apoceis einai eyprosdektes kai sebastes. Qymizw, omws, oti h diadikasia anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos einai amigws koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Epishs, qymizw oti toso h kybernhsh, oso pisteyw kai ta alla kommata, synektimwntas tis apoceis diaforwn pleyrwn, proxwrhsan sth diatypwsh qesewn toys.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, otan lete ``amigws koinoboyleytikh diadikasia'' ayto shmainei oti h kybernhsh, agnowntas tis apoceis twn armodiwn forewn, apofasizei, qewrwntas oti exei parei mia leykh epitagh apo to eklogiko swma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den niwqw oti sas edwsa eidhsh. Ayto poy sas eipa aporreei ek toy Syntagmatos gia to ti problepei gia thn anaqewrhsh toy. Den yparxei kapoia eidhsh se ayto poy sas eipa.

KAKALHS: Sth nootropia. Gia thn politikh antilhch sxoliazw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H politikh antilhch  qelete na thn peite nootropia- aporreei ek toy Syntagmatos. Ayto poy sas eipa, to leei to Syntagma. Den to leei o Roysopoylos ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, oyte opoiosdhpote allos politikos. Sas eipa oti einai sebastes oles oi apoceis. Proseggizoyme me endiaferon tis diaforetikes ekfraseis aytwn twn apocewn. Qymizoyme oti h anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos einai amigws koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

GKOYTZANHS: Egw qa epimeinw sto biblio ths ST' Dhmotikoy. Yparxoyn kapoioi eqnikoi myqoi, ean qelete, stoys opoioys exei basistei h syllogikh eqnikh mas syneidhsh. To na allajoyn aytoi oi myqoi, eite aytoi epibebaiwnontai me istorika stoixeia, eite oxi  poy einai mia allh syzhthsh- nomizete oti einai qema mono orismenwn ekpaideytikwn poy syggrafoyn to biblio; Den einai ena eyrytero politiko zhthma poy afora thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H armodia ypoyrgos kai egw topoqethqhkame dhmosiws, polles fores. Shmera malista ejedoqh kai syntomh anakoinwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Pisteyw oti hdh thn exete parei hdh. Apanta sta zhthmata twn apocewn, ``oi opoies zhthqhkan apo diaforetikoys foreis, opws egine, gia paradeigma, apo thn Akadhmia Aqhnwn, apo thn ekpaideytikh koinothta, apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias ths Kyproy, prokeimenoy na yparjoyn oi anagkaies diorqwseis kata thn epanekdosh toy biblioy gia tis anagkes ths neas sxolikhs xronias''. Sas diabazw akribws apospasma apo thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn.

MAYRIDHS: Sas anhsyxoyn epikeimenes ejelijeis sto Kosobo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero apo ta osa dhlwse, prosfata, dhmosiws kai o Prwqypoyrgos gia to Kosobo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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