Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-02-13

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 13 Febroyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 57265995

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Febroyarioy 2007

Xairete.

" Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs me th synhqh ths synqesh ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh kai th symmetoxh toy Ypoyrgoy Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn k. Mixalh Liaph. Sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs syzhthqhke, opws sas eixa allwste anakoinwsei apo xqes, to qema ``Eyryzwnikothta kai chfiakh strathgikh''. Oi armodioi ypoyrgoi, se dhlwseis kata thn ejodo toys apo to Megaro Majimoy, anaferqhkan toso sthn epityxhmenh strathgikh poy akoloyqhqhke apo to 2004 mexri shmera gia thn kalych toy terastioy xasmatos metajy ths Elladas kai twn allwn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, alla kai sthn kalych twn anisothtwn poy yphrxan metajy twn diaforwn gewgrafikwn perioxwn ths xwras mas, kaqws kai stoys neoys stoxoys poy tiqentai gia ta epomena xronia.

Qa hqela, omws, na tonisw kai apo thn pleyra moy dyo-tria stoixeia. Ginetai pragmatikothta to chfiako alma, dhladh h prosarmogh ths xwras mas sth sygxronh texnologia se ayto to shmantiko tomea, opoy, kaqws gnwrizete, h xwra mas eixe terastio elleimma, briskotan oson afora thn eyryzwnikothta sxedon sto mhden. Apo to 0,1% poy htan to pososto dieisdyshs ths eyryzwnikothtas, dhladh  gia na sas to pw apla- toy grhgoroy kai fqhnoy Internet, otan anelabe h shmerinh kybernhsh ton Martio toy 2004, to pososto ayto eftase sto telos toy 2006, me entypwsiakoys ryqmoys ayjhshs, to 4,5%. Kai lew ``entypwsiakoys ariqmoys ayjhshs'' dioti kata to deytero ejamhno toy 2006 to pososto ayjhshs htan 44%, to ychlotero apo opoiadhpote allh xwra ths Eyrwphs. O stoxos toy 7% poy eixe qesei h kybernhsh gia to telos toy 2008 problepetai oti qa exei epiteyxqei sto telos toy trexontos etoys, dhladh toy 2007, ena xrono nwritera apo to sygkekrimeno stoxo. Ta apotelesmata einai xeiropiasta. Olo kai perissoteroi Ellhnes polites, neoi sth megalh toys pleiochfia, alla oxi monon, epixeirhseis alla kai h ellhnikh Politeia, to Dhmosio, wfeloyntai apo thn texnologia toy grhgoroy kai fqhnoy Internet. Me poly grhgoroys ryqmoys h xwra mas prosarmozetai sta eyrwpaika dedomena. Etsi yparxei basimh prosdokia oti qa ftasei syntoma sto meso oro twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

" O Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei ayrio, stis 9.30 to prwi, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs k. Anastash Papalhgoyra.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, antimetwpizei h xwra mas problhma leicydrias kai ekponeitai sxedio gia thn antimetwpish ths me anaprosarmogh twn adeiwn twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn;

ANTWNAROS: To qema poy qigete sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas den to gnwrizw. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw omws einai oti xqes topoqethqhke sto sygkekrimeno qema kai se alla synafh qemata, o Genikos Grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs k. Stefanoy. Sas parapempw, loipon, stis dhlwseis toy.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw dyo erwthseis. Na sas kanw mia prwth poy afora sta ejwterika qemata, ean yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn pleyra toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy se o,ti afora thn apofash ths Toyrkias na proxwrhsei se endexomenh ekmetalleysh koitasmatwn petrelaioy sthn perioxh toy Aigaioy kai ths anatolikhs Mesogeioy.

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei kai thn perasmenh ebdomada oti yparxoyn dieqneis symbaseis, dieqneis kanones toy opoioys kaloyntai na sebastoyn oles oi xwres, ths Toyrkias symperilambanomenhs. Eidikotera, gia thn Kypro exoyme, epishs, topoqethqei: Epanalambanw oti h Dieqnhs Koinothta anagnwrizei ws mono kyriarxo kratos, me thn ennoia oti einai ekeino to kratos poy diaqetei kyriarxika dikaiwmata, thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia.

SPYRAKH: Se o,ti afora to eswteriko: Xqes, apokalyfqhke apo th dhmosiografikh ereyna oti o martyras o opoios emfanisthke na kalei to EKAB epaneilhmmena gia na eidopoihsei gia to oti o eklipwn Giannhs Barqolomaios eixe xtyphqei, htan promhqeyths, htan stelexos etaireias poy promhqeye to IKA sta telh ths dekaetias toy '90 kai oti epishs gnwrizotan me th gynaika thn opoia episkefqhke o Giannhs Barqolomaios. Qelw na rwthsw, ean -ektos apo to oti ta stoixeia ayta sigoyra exoyn perielqei en gnwsei ths kybernhshs, dioti hdh exoyn doqei sth dhmosiothta- aytes oi symptwseis problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh kai qetoyn ypoch ths kai mia allh endexomenh diastash, th diastash toy skeloys ths syzhthshs gia tis promhqeies sto IKA.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei ayto poy sas eipa xqes: Oti kai h aqliothta exei ta oria ths.

KAKALHS: Na epanelqw sta ejwterika. Ektos apo tis ereynes sto Aigaio, poy proanhggeile h Toyrkia, xarakthrise kai aneparkh ta metra gia th meionothta. Me bash ayth thn epiqetikothta ths Agkyras, mporeite na mas peite poia qa einai h atzenta ths episkechs toy k. Gkioyl; Qa einai mono ta qemata twn diekdikhsewn poy qetei h Toyrkia;

ANTWNAROS: Milate gia mia episkech, gia thn opoia, se erwthsh synadelfoy sas thn Paraskeyh, edwsa safh apanthsh. Prwton, den exei oristei kamia episkech toy Toyrkoy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sthn Aqhna. Deyteron...

KAKALHS: To exei anaggeilei o idios.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei epi toy qematos. To na epanerxeste kaqe hmera sto idio qema, einai aney oysias kai aney shmasias. Opws gnwrizete, sthn Ellada yparxei mia meionothta, h moysoylmanikh. H moysoylmanikh meionothta, to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora, apolambanei, opws allwste oloi oi Ellhnes polites -kai as mhn jexname oti oi Ellhnes moysoylmanoi einai Ellhnes polites- ta agaqa ths isonomias kai ths isopoliteias poy isxyoyn sth xwra mas. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Einai qema poy afora thn ellhnikh Politeia kai monon.

KAKALHS: Apo ayth th skopia, pws antimetwpizete thn parembash toy toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti einai qema poy afora thn ellhnikh Politeia kai monon.

GKOYTZANHS: Qelw na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema, giati eipate oti kai h aqliothta exei ta oria ths. Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, kamia antirrhsh. Ws pros to proswpiko skelos ths ypoqeshs, den mas endiaferei, o,ti kai an exei symbei. To erwthma einai, kapoia pragmata ta opoia prokyptoyn siga-siga apo thn ereyna. Ena htan ayto poy eipe h synadelfos k. Spyrakh prohgoymenws. Prokyptoyn omws kai kapoia alla pragmata, opws gia paradeigma oti -apokalyfqhke se ekpomph, ean den apatwmai, toy k. Pretenterh- me fwtografikh diatajh o makariths eixe dwsei th dynatothta sthn k. Brakatselh na einai proistamenos epitrophs, allazontas ton eswteriko kanonismo, enw eixe mono apolythrio Lykeioy. Epishs, yparxoyn shmera plhrofories oti o eisaggeleas prosanatolizetai na anoijei toys logariasmoys ths k. Brakatselh. Den qeloyme na poyme tipota gia ton atyxo anqrwpo me olo ayto poy egine. Wstoso, prokyptei ena qema leitoyrgias enos dhmosioy organismoy. Gi` ayto to qetoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw th dhlwsh poy sas exw kanei oti h aqliothta exei ta oria ths. Na sas ypenqymisw: Exoyme ena biaio qanato toy opoioy oi akribeis synqhkes diereynwntai ayth th stigmh apo tis armodies arxes ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

SMYRNHS: Xqes, o k. Soyflias, se mia synanthsh poy eixe kai htan parwn kai o k. Arapogloy, ekane logo oti yparxoyn poly ychla kerdh stis trapezes kai kata kapoio tropo ``jefloydizoyn toys pelates''. H kybernhsh symmerizetai ayth thn apoch;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy th sygkekrimenh dhlwsh.

KAKALHS: Gia ton k. Soyflia moy epitrepete kati; Den gnwrizei o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE oti h kybernhsh exei meiwsei th forologia twn trapezwn, exei lysei to asfalistiko pros ofelos toys kai exei afhsei tis trapezes na lehlatoyn tis apotamieyseis kai toys...

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia dikh sas ermhneia, thn opoia egw den symmerizomai. Jerw oti oi arxes ths Politeias kanoyn o,ti epiballetai, prokeimenoy na prostateyontai oi katanalwtes.

KAKALHS: Ayjanoyn ta kerdh twn trapezwn!

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, ayto isxyei kai sthn periptwsh twn trapezwn;

ANTWNAROS: Oi Arxes ths Politeias, ek twn opoiwn polles opws gnwrizete leitoyrgoyn ws anejarthtes arxes, kanoyn o,ti epiballetai, prokeimenoy na prostateyontai ta dikaiwmata twn politwn kai twn katanalwtwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: An den apatwmai, ayto moiazei me apodokimasia, emmesh estw, twn apocewn toy k. Soyflia.

ANTWNAROS: H ermhneia thn opoia kanete den me briskei symfwno.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tis alles apoceis toy k. Soyflia gia to asylo tis exete ypoch sas, mia poy eipate kai eseis...

ANTWNAROS: Erwthsh exete;

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh eipate oti den exete ypoch sas mia dhlwsh poy htan gnwsth, pagiws toylaxiston se emas sth dhmosiografikh piatsa. Apo thn allh, o k. Soyflias diafwnei kai me to qema toy asyloy, sygkekrimena me thn parembash ths Astynomias ston panepisthmiako xwro. Ekei blepoyme oti yparxei mia antifash me ta osa toylaxiston exei proanaggeilei h k. Giannakoy.

ANTWNAROS: H kyria Giannakoy, kat` arxas, den exei proanaggeilei sygkekrimena pragmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes to proanaggeile sthn ekpomph toy k. Polith.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei na anamenete to sxedio nomoy gia ta Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata, wste na deite synolika tis qeseis ths kybernhshs. Allwste, exoyme topoqethqei kai o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, o k. Roysopoylos kai egw, epaneilhmmenws, se ayth thn aiqoysa. Sas exoyme pei pws antilambanomaste thn ennoia toy asyloy. To asylo exei qespistei, prin apo polla xronia, ws aspida prostasias gia thn eleyqerh diakinhsh idewn. Den mporei na apotelei prokalymma gia thn organwsh parabatikwn symperiforwn sta Panepisthmia. Ayth h qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs kai den epidexetai kamias amfisbhthshs. Thn exw diatypwsei epaneilhmmenws, se ayth thn aiqoysa.

SPYRAKH: Prokalymma eipate;

ANTWNAROS: Prokalymma gia thn organwsh, to sxediasmo parabatikwn, paranomwn symperiforwn.

KOTTARIDHS: H kybernhsh qewrei oti ta Ejarxeia pleon einai ena gketo kai gi` ayto probainei se mazikes prosagwges atomwn ta opoia feroyn kai taytothtes mazi toys sth GADA gia ejakribwsh stoixeiwn; Xqes, eixame mia epixeirhsh me 500 astynomikoys sto kentro ths Aqhnas.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy leptomereies apo epixeirhsiakes energeies ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Ayto afora th leitoyrgia ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

KAKALHS: Asydoth einai h Astynomia kyrie Ekproswpe; Den exei eyqynh kamia; Den katalabainw giati parapempete ta panta; Den orrwdei poyqena h Astynomia;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston armodio Ypoyrgo.

NASOPOYLOS: Qelw na epanelqw ligo sto qema toy IKA, oxi toso gia th diaxeiristikh politikh toy idrymatos, alla gia thn ptyxh poy afora nomoqetikes prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs pia. Ayto poy katalaba egw apo ta thleoptika reportaz, einai oti me nomoqetikh ryqmish, systaqhke sth Dieyqynsh Promhqeiwn toy IKA eidiko tmhma dienergeias diagwnismwn me thn problech oti mporei epikefalhs aytoy toy tmhmatos na einai kai ypallhlos apofoitos Deyterobaqmias Ekpaideyshs. Yparxei ayth h nomoqetikh ryqmish kai poia skopimothta eixe ayth h allagh;

ANTWNAROS: Ef` oson epikaleiste ``thleoptika reportaz'', exete asfalws th dynatothta na kanete to sxetiko elegxo, th sxetikh ereyna, wste na diapistwsete kata poson einai basimoi diaforoi isxyrismoi.

NASOPOYLOS: Sto plaisio ayths ths ereynas sas rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, loipon, na anatrejete kai na deite ean yparxei kati tetoio. Se ypoqetika erwthmata toy typoy ``ean yparxei'', egw den prokeitai na sas apanthsw.

NASOPOYLOS: Gia nomoqetikh ryqmish milhsa.

ANTWNAROS: Sas aphnthsa. Oi nomoqetikes ryqmiseis, opws gnwrizete, einai diafanestates ryqmiseis, oi opoies opws oles oi ryqmiseis, dhmosieyontai ekei poy prepei na dhmosieyqoyn.

SMYRNHS: Opws rwthse o synadelfos, einai sto nomosxedio gia to TSMEDE, ferei ypografh Tsitoyridh kai yparxei mesa diatajh sygkekrimenh poy xarakthrizetai kai ``fwtografikh''. Den milame dhladh xwris stoixeia. Einai nomosxedio.

ANTWNAROS: Xarakthrizetai ``fwtografikh'' apo poion, kyrie;

SMYRNHS: Otan mila oti mporei kapoios na analabei mia qesh xwris na exei ta antistoixa ptyxia panepisthmioy, den einai ``fwtografikh'';

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia diko sas xarakthrismo, ton opoio kai den apodexomai.

GKOYTZANHS: Na mhn analysoyme ti einai ``fwtografikh'', to jerete.

ANTWNAROS: Xarakthrismo ton opoio egw, bebaiws, den apodexomai se sxesh me nomoqetikes ryqmiseis ths shmerinhs kybernhshs.

GKOYTZANHS: Malista.

SPYRAKH: Na sas rwthsw, ean exei apofasisei h kybernhsh to xrono poy qa kataqesei to nomosxedio gia thn Paideia; Epanaferw to erwthma kyrie Ekproswpe, giati xqes, h kyria Giannakoy sthn NET, eipe oti to nomosxedio einai sxedon etoimo.

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqei na isxyei ayto poy sas eipa xqes. To nomosxedio qa katateqei sth Boylh kata th diarkeia ths qhteias ayths ths Boylhs. Den exw na prosqesw h na allajw kati.

GKOYTZANHS: Sygnwmh, ean den apatwmai, den eipe xqes h k. Giannakoy oti qa katateqei stis arxes Martioy;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dhlwsh thn opoia ekana.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh me to IKA, epeidh twra, anamfisbhthta meta thn ypoqesh toy biaioy qanatoy toy Dioikhth toy IKA Barqolomaioy, den prokyptei ena keno; Ayto to keno, exete ypoch sas, pws kai pote qa kalyfqei;

ANTWNAROS: Ennoeite o diorismos neoy Dioikhth;

PALAIOLOGOS: Akribws.

ANTWNAROS: Otan erqei h wra qa plhroforhqeite to onoma. Den exei lhfqei tetoia apofash.

KAKALHS: Pws ermhneyete to gegonos oti ta dyo prohgoymena xronia oi nees qeseis apasxolhshs prohlqan apo ton dhmosio tomea enw o idiwtikos tomeas meiwse ton ariqmo twn ergazomenwn toso me plhrh apasxolhsh oso kai me proswrines morfes apasxolhshs. Ti eginan ayta ta kinhtra toy anaptyjiakoy nomoy, oi foroapallages kai ola ayta ta anaptyjiaka programmata ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs poy eimai bebaios oti exei ola ta sygkekrimena stoixeia.

KAKALHS: Lew, pws ejhgeite oti den exei ston idiwtiko tomea...

ANTWNAROS: Eseis epikaleiste stoixeia...

KAKALHS: Oxi, stoixeia poy prokyptoyn apo th Statistikh Yphresia kai ta paroysiase to Institoyto ths GSEE.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na menw sta stoixeia ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias kai oxi ta stoixeia ta opoia epikaloyntai alla institoyta.

KAKALHS: Epejergasia twn stoixeiwn ekane.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti menw sta stoixeia ta opoia epejergazetai kai paroysiazei h Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia kai oxi se epejergasies poy kanoyn alla institoyta.

KAKALHS: Ektos ean epalhqeyontai ta stoixeia, eseis mporeite na mas peite ayrio mia qesh, mia topoqethsh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

KAKALHS: Nai, lew, ean ayrio mporeite na mas dwsete mia oloklhrwmenh apanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa mporoysate kallista na apeyqynqeite o idios ston Geniko Grammatea ths Statistikhs Yphresias, ton k. Kontopyrrakh.

MAYRIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw qelw na epanelqw sto qema ths eyryzwnikothtas. Yparxei ena sxedio 210 ekatommyriwn eyrw, ean akoysa kala, opws eipe o k. Liaphs. Einai arketa ta xrhmata kai qa hqela na moy peite ean gnwrizete poies etaireies einai ekeines oi opoies qa symmetexoyn se ayto ton diagwnismo.

ANTWNAROS: Na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio, dioti einai eidiko qema. Asfalws yparxoyn diadikasies oi opoies problepontai apo thn keimenh nomoqesia. Alimono ean kanw egw anafora se etaireies.

SMYRNHS: Sygnwmh poy kataxrwmai ton xrono sas. Shmera yphrjan sygkekrimenes kataggelies gia biaies symperifores elegktwn toy OASA apenanti se maqhtes poy den eixan eisithrio. Se kapoies periptwseis kapoioys toys phgan sto astynomiko tmhma, alloys toys afhsan sth mesh ths diadromhs. Qa hqela ena sxolio kai th qesh ths kybernhshs ep` aytoy kai deyteron, ean yparxei kapoia skech na yparjei telos pantwn mia ateleia, na epitrepetai stoys maqhtes na kykloforoyn xwris na plhrwnoyn eisithrio sta lewforeia.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete pragmatika apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo na topoqethqei se ena peristatiko to opoio moy metaferete h se peristatika gia ta opoia lete oti eginan stis topikes sygkoinwnies; Profanws exete streblh entypwsh toy roloy toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ti lete kyrie Ekproswpe, giati qa to rwtoysa kai egw ayto to pragma. Dhladh, den yparxei epishmo sxolio ths kybernhshs gia mia apotropaih symperifora, mia biaih symperifora (den akoygetai) koritsaki;

ANTWNAROS: Moy metaferete mia symperifora thn opoia, opws antilambaneste, lypamai poy sas to lew, den mporw na th gnwrizw. Den einai antikeimeno sxoliasmoy apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo memonwmena peristatika. Oso dysaresta kai na einai kai oso katakritea kai na einai. Gi` ayto prepei na apeyqynqeite h sth dioikhsh toy sygkekrimenoy organismoy h sto armodio Ypoyrgeio h sta synarmodia Ypoyrgeia.

NASOPOYLOS: To ``oso dysaresta kai oso katakritea'' na to eklaboyme ws sxolio apo thn pleyra sas;

ANTWNAROS: Peristatika kata ta opoia askeitai bia pros opoiondhpote Ellhna polith, den xwrei kamia amfibolia oti einai dysaresta kai katakritea. Den qa me breite pote symfwno me tetoies symperifores. Egine anafora, omws, se ena ypoqetiko peristatiko toy opoioy den gnwrizw ta stoixeia. Den mporw na katadikasw synepws kati toy opoioy ta pragmatika systatika moy einai agnwsta.

MAYRIDHS: Epitrecte moy, kyrie Ekproswpe, na epimeinw ligaki: Eipate oti einai eidiko to qema omws einai kai baqytata politiko dedomenoy to poies etaireies qa paroyn ayto to ergo exei na kanei kai me kapoies palaioteres anafores ths kybernhshs kai se sygkekrimenes sxeseis epixeirhmatiwn me...

ANTWNAROS: Ti ypainisseste;

MAYRIDHS: Oxi, den ypainissomai tipota.

ANTWNAROS: Opoies apofaseis pairnei h shmerinh kybernhsh diakrinontai apo apolyth diafaneia. Ep` aytoy den xwrei kamia amfibolia.

MAYRIDHS: Gia to endexomeno poy qa mporoyse na yparjoyn kapoies yponoies h otidhpote allo. Gi` ayto to anaferw.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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