Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-02-01

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 1 Febroyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 54998599

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 1h Febroyarioy 2007

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 11:00, qa exei synergasia sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. G. Alogoskoyfh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Me ton k. Stayroy qa synanthqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An yparjei synanthsh, qa anakoinwqei.

BLAXOS: O k. Stayroy qa parameinei sth qesh toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema. Den katalabainw giati me rwtate.

BLAXOS: Giati xqes emfanisthke na chfizei sth synedriash ths epitrophs gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, xwris na einai melos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei dhlwsh, h opoia apanta se ola.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla kai to xeri to shkwne omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei dhlwsh, h opoia apanta se ola.

BLAXOS: Bebaiws, alla kai to xeri to shkwne kai gi` ayto odhghqhke o k. Tragakhs sto (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: To oti den mporw na ycwsw th fwnh, den shmainei oti qa prepei na xalasoyme thn tajh poy exoyme.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ofeilw na pw oti me prokatelabe o synadelfos moy sthn erwthsh, opote qa thn anastrecw kai qa rwthsw ean problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh ta teleytaia synexh kroysmata antarsias apo toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias se o,ti afora ta epimaxa shmeia anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos. Dhladh, xqes eixame thn antarsia gia to arqro poy afora ta dash, shmera se o,ti afora to asymbibasto kai ta kwlymata twn boyleytwn kai an qymamai kala gia to qema ths ayjhshs twn boyleytwn Epikrateias. Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh ayto to fainomeno ths antarsias apo toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se mia kaqara koryfaia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, oi boyleytes exoyn aperioristo dikaiwma se chfo syneidhshs. Epipleon, h diadikasia anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos synista mia dynamikh -kai sta perissotera toy enos stadia ejelissomenh- diadikasia poy aytonohtws epidiwkei thn kataqesh kai th zymwsh twn apocewn, wste h telikh protash na synista to beltiston.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo ayto poy eipate ki eseis oti oi boyleytes sthn anaqewrhtikh diadikasia chfizoyn kata syneidhsh, to problhma poy proekyce xqes me ton k. Stayroy den htan mono oti shkwne to xeri toy enw den htan melos, alla kai mprosta se oloys toys boyleytes sympoliteyshs kai antipoliteyshs kai se oloys toys dhmosiografoys, traboyse apo to maniki toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias poy eixan hdh chfisei ``parwn'', na toys bgalei apo thn aiqoysa. Kai o kaygas poy egine, egine anamesa se treis boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ton k. Stayroy poy toy katebazan to xeri katw, to xeri poy toys trabage kai oxi to xeri poy chfize. Ara, o k. Stayroy, ws Grammateas ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, mprosta se oloys prospaqoyse na apotrecei boyleytes na chfisoyn kata syneidhsh. Ayto einai to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

KYRITSHS: Ystera apo ayth thn politikh apodokimasia ths anaqewrhshs toy arqroy 24, h kybernhsh epimenei sthn anaqewrhsh toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pisteyw oti einai safhs h dhlwsh moy, h opoia anaferetai sto dikaiwma poy exei o kaqe boyleyths na chfisei kata syneidhsh sth diadikasia anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos. Einai kati to opoio den to lew gia prwth fora, to exei pei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos edw kai para poly kairo.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, kyrie Ekproswpe, alla ean o Prwqypoyrgos exei pei oti ``chfizete kata syneidhsh'', kai orqws exei pei, tote giati o k. Stayroy prospaqoyse na katasteilei toys boyleytes toy; Yphrjan tosoi polloi poy to eidan, kai dhmosiografoi kai boyleytes, poy den amfisbhteitai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti ton adikeite. Exei kanei hdh mia dhlwsh, thn opoia egw briskw eparkws ejhghsimh twn pragmatwn. Kata synepeia den qelw na pw tipota perissotero.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eimai ypoxrewmenos na qesw kai pali shmera ayth thn toyrkikh ayqairesia sthn Kypro poy katapata to dieqnes dikaio kai dierwtwmai ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh skeptetai, opws to exei hdh kanei h kypriakh, na proxwrhsei se dieqnh diabhmata kai pros thn toyrkikh kybernhsh alla kai sta dieqnh fora kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh yparjei topoqethsh ths kybernhshs ean milame gia to idio qema. Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h eikona pantws xqes ths koinoboyleytikhs epitrophs prokalese genikh qymhdia. Qelete na peite oti o Prwqypoyrgos thn idia eikona thn eblepe me ikanopoihsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw giati yparxei mia tash merikes fores na bazete fraseis sto stoma moy, tis opoies oyte kan skeptomai na pw, oyte qelw na pw.

POYLIDOY: Epeidh eipate oti yparxei mia chfos kata syneidhsh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino to opoio lew einai jekaqaro. Oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias apedeijan to profanes: H chfos kata syneidhsh, otan ayto legetai apo ta xeilh toy arxhgoy ths Neas Dhmokratias, sth Nea Dhmokratia, nai, w ths ekplhjews, isxyei. Mporei se alla kommata na mhn isxyei kai na einai logos kenos periexomenoy. Sto diko mas komma, otan leme ``kata syneidhsh'', ennooyme oti o boyleyths einai eleyqeros kata syneidhsh na apofasisei. Ayto einai pragmatikh dhmokratia, ayto einai pragmatikh eswkommatikh dhmokratia. Makari na to doyme kai alloy.

POYLIDOY: Kai otan to deite qa to xairethsete ejisoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, me thn idia xara.

POYLIDOY: Wraia, tote na sas qesw kai to erwthma diaforetika. H eikona ths zabolias poy yphrxe xqes sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia prokalei ikanopoihsh ston Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw sxolio gia mia eikona poy moy perigrafete ws dikh sas apotypwsh ths pragmatikothtas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ap` o,ti qymamai, an qymamai kala, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos eixe proteinei thn ayjhsh toy ariqmoy twn boyleytwn Epikrateias. Kai shmera se mia diadikasia opoy apeixan malista oi boyleytes toy PASOK, katachfisthke ayth h protash toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo toys idioys toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias. Den synista dhladh ayto politiko zhthma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eidate pws h dhmokratia exei proodeysei se ena komma opws h Nea Dhmokratia; Elpizw na proodeysei kai sta ypoloipa kommata.

KAKALHS: Epeidh epikalesthkate xqesinh chfoforia gia na milhsete gia pragmatikh Dhmokratia, eswkommatikh kai pragmatikh Dhmokratia, den sas problhmatizei to endexomeno oti h protash sas gia thn anaqewrhsh toy arqroy 24 brisketai se kraygalea anantistoixia me thn pleiochfia toy laoy; Giati den kanete ena dhmochfisma gia na apodeijete to antiqeto, ean pragmatika eisaste opadoi ths Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn diadikasies poy problepontai apo toys qesmoys mas, oi opoioi einai isxyroi qesmoi Dhmokratias, katoxyrwmenoi kai dokimasmenoi se baqos xronoy. Kai aytoys akoloyqoyme.

GALIATSATOS: Milhsate prohgoymenws gia zymwsh twn apocewn, wste na yparxei to beltisto apotelesma. Kati tetoio sygkrathsa. Ennoeite me ayto oti einai piqano endexomenws na allajoyn oi protaseis ths Neas Dhmokratias ws pros to frastiko toys skelos se kapoia shmeia wste na mporesoyn na perasoyn apo th Boylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se mia zwntanh diadikasia mporei na yparjoyn protaseis oi opoies na tyxoyn megalyterhs apodoxhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla edw prokyptei mia aporrich kapoiwn protasewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo ta melh ths koinoboyleytikhs toy omadas. To erwthma einai, ean eixe ginei kapoia proergasia prin jekinhsei h Syntagmatikh Anaqewrhsh h ean qa ftasoyme sto telos na chfistei mono to arqro 16, kata pleiochfia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pisteyw oti sas kalyptei h apanthsh poy edwsa nwritera se dyo synadelfoys sas.

LEONTITSH: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite poio htan to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs kai ths synergasias poy eixan shmera o Prwqypoyrgos me thn Proedro ths Boylhs kai ean syzhthsan telika ta osa xqesina eginan sth Boylh, oxi ayta poy aforoyn thn ekfrash ths pragmatikhs Dhmokratias, opws eipate, alla opws htan to fainomeno ths laqroxeirias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai apo kairoy eis kairon me thn Proedro ths Boylhs kai syzhta qemata poy aforoyn th Boylh kai thn kybernhsh. Den exw na pw kati perissotero. Ayth h synanthsh htan programmatismenh apo kairo.

MAYRIDHS: Eipate oti oi boyleytes chfizoyn kata syneidhsh. Wstoso, h prwtoboylia toy k. Stayroy dhloi oti hqele na epanaferei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias. Edrase apo monos toy o k. Stayroy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei se ayta ta erwthmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias kai oi boyleytes poy metexoyn sthn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos eixan kanei polles synedriaseis kai eixan symfwnhsei. Ti mesolabhse kai allajan gnwmh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai toylaxiston h pempth h h ekth fora se ayth thn aiqoysa poy exw apanthsei, erwtwmenos gia diadikasies ths Boylhs. Kai eidika gia to qema toy Syntagmatos, h diadikasia ayth einai anejarthtws kybernhtikoy ergoy. Kata synepeia, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos den mporw na mpw sth logikh, na anazhthsw tis syzhthseis poy eginan, tis apofaseis poy elhfqhsan, to pws o kaqe boyleyths apofasise me ton alfa h bhta tropo. Prepei na sas kalyptei h apoch -h opoia einai safhs kai exei epanalhfqei hdh treis fores se ayth thn aiqoysa- oti o boyleyths chfizei kata syneidhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixan symfwnhsei, omws, tote. Allaje h syneidhsh toys, dhladh, twra; Kati mesolabhse.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ayto poy moy lete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kati mesolabhse.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh moy einai synexeia ths erwthshs toy k. Stamatopoyloy kai ayto giati den amfisbhteite to dikaiwma toy boyleyth na chfisei kata syneidhsh. Ekeino poy den katalabainw einai pros ti tote to parapono poy ejefrase shmera dhmosia o k. Stayroy oti aifnidiasthke apo th stash twn boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias kai oti den ton eixan enhmerwsei gia th stash poy qa kratoysan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epi ths oysias kai ths diadikasias isxyei h apanthsh, h opoia exei prohghqei se prohgoymenh erwthsh. Isxyoyn akribws ta idia.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe proteinei stoys prytaneis, sth synanthsh poy eixe kanei to kalokairi mazi toys, na metatrapoyn ta panepisthmia se nomika proswpa idiwtikoy dikaioy; Ayto pws syndyazetai me thn protash poy lete oti eiste kata ths idiwtikopoihshs twn panepisthmiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo o,ti gnwrizw, den yparxei tetoia protash.

KAKALHS: O Grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias k. Karamanos to eipe xqes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi protaseis poy exoyn ginei apo thn kybernhsh einai dhmosies. Den exei yparjei kapoia mystikh protash.

MAYRIDHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti exei yparjei topoqethsh ths kybernhshs sto qema me thn Toyrkia. Mporeite na mas peite se poia anafereste sthn erwthsh toy k. Kwnstantinidh gia to an protiqeste na probeite se diabhmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anazhteiste tis apanthseis twn teleytaiwn hmerwn sto press-room -ean milame gia to idio qema- kai qa tis breite.

GKOYTZANHS: Shmera, sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'' yparxei mia epistolh toy prwhn stratiwtikoy akoloyqoy sth Boylgaria pros ton k. Aggeloy poy anaferetai se erga kai hmeres toy Yfypoyrgoy k. Mixaloliakoy sth Boylgaria. Ta osa toy katamartyrei, nomizete oti synadoyn me to yfos kai hqos ths neas diakybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Yfypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas k. Mixaloliakos qa aposteilei -ean den exei aposteilei hdh- apanthsh sto dhmosieyma, entos ths hmeras.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara, ek prooimioy, dhladh, kalyptetai h kybernhsh apo thn apanthsh toy k. Mixaloliakoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai.

MANH: Sthn efhmerida ``TO PONTIKI'', shmera, yparxei ena reportaz symfwna me to opoio melos ths ADAE diathroyse emmisqh sxesh me thn etaireia ERICSSON prin kai sth diarkeia ths ereynas gia tis ypoklopes. Katopin toytoy h kybernhsh skeftetai na antimetwpisei jana to qema sth Boylh h qewrei to qema sth Boylh lhjan kai o,ti bgalei h dikastikh diereynhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite genikotera to qema twn ypoklopwn;

MANH: Nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei parei qesh.

MANH: Oxi genikotera. Oi sygkekrimenes ypoklopes poy antimetwpisthkan apo ta sygkekrimena melh ths ADAE ek twn opoiwn o enas diathroyse thn emmisqh sxesh me thn ERICSSON.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eida kai egw to dhmosieyma. Nomizw oti prepei na apeyqynqeite sthn Anejarthth Arxh gia na dwsei kat` arxas mia apanthsh, an isxyei ayto poy anaferei to dhmosieyma. Kai fantazomai h Anejarthth Arxh exei th dynatothta kai thn proqesh na dwsei kapoioy eidoys apanthseis h ejhghseis, an xreiastei. H kybernhsh den exei na pei tipote gi` ayto.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizei kati h kybernhsh gia kinhseis toyrkikwn polemikwn ploiwn sthn Kypro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yphrxan kapoies plhrofories apo eidhseografika praktoreia, alla den epibebaiwnontai.

MELIGKWNHS: Gnwrizete ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa paei ayrio sth Boylh gia na apanthsei se erwthseis toy k. Alabanoy sxetika me thn Paideia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Isxyei h apanthsh poy exw dwsei sto parelqon: Otan den phgainei o Prwqypoyrgos, phgainei o armodios ypoyrgos, opws problepei o kanonismos ths Boylhs.

NASOPOYLOS: Sto qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei me ton Yfypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas, epeidh kai xqes o Anaplhrwths Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos eipe oti exei dwsei eparkh stoixeia o Yfypoyrgos gia thn istoria me to troxaio, eparkh stoixeia gia thn kybernhsh odhgoyn sto symperasma oti den yphrje epistrateysh ceydomartyra h ejhghqhke eparkws giati epistrateythke ceydomartyras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti einai eparkhs h xqesinh apanthsh toy k. Antwnaroy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh proanaggeilate sthn oysia thn apanthsh poy qa dwsei o k. Mixaloliakos, na ypoqesw egw basimws oti yphrje thlefwnikh epikoinwnia metajy ymwn kai toy k. Mixaloliakoy kai sas edwse eparkeis ejhghseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na to ypoqesete basimotata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Basimotata!

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw pei oti milw kaqhmerinws me oloys toys ypoyrgoys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, gia shmera lew ean yphrje thlefwnikh epikoinwnia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai kati allo: O k. Mixaloliakos, meta apo osa telos pantwn blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas, apolambanei ths apolytoy empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai. Den blepw to logo na mhn apolambanei kapoios ypoyrgos h yfypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, shmera, ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Mia aporia. Rwthsate ton k. Mixaloliako, ean qelei na ginei arxhgos ths Neas Dhmokratias; Ton rwthsate kai ti sas apanthse; Giati etsi feretai na leei, oti rwthse ena mentioym ean qa ginei arxhgos ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diagrafetai kai to erwthma, opws nomizw symfwneite kai eseis.

BLAXOS: Oxi, oxi! Den symfwnoyme. Me sygxwreite, etsi grafei. O ajiwmatikos grafei...

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, sygnwmh. Diabasate thn epistolh ayth; Ayto den einai... Ean eseis th diabasate thn epistolh ayth toy...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei prohgoymenws.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, se ayto to erwthma den apanthsate: An diabasate thn epistolh toy ajiwmatikoy pros ton k. Aggeloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

NASOPOYLOS: Gia to idio qema, anejarthta apo thn apanthsh toy Yfypoyrgoy poy qa akoloyqhsei, epeidh h epistolh ayth einai sto Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eixe elegxqei mexri to prwi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite ean exei elegxqei h basimoths twn stoixeiwn;

NASOPOYLOS: Malista.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ypo to fws twn xrhmatwn ta opoia qa klhqei na plhrwsei h Ellada logw ths ayjhshs toy AEP, mhpws h kybernhsh ektima oti htan laqos h en pash periptwsei prwqysterh, h apografh, prin diapistwqei to poio einai to AEP;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kanenas logos na allajw thn apanthsh poy exw dwsei, edw kai para poly kairo -kai exw epanalabei epishs- gia thn ypoqesh ths apografhs. Htan mia ypoqesh h opoia oxi mono htan aparaithth, alla epibeblhmenh oxi mono gia thn ajiopistia ths xwras sto ejwteriko, alla gia thn ajiopistia ths Politeias stoys idioys toys polites, alla kai gia thn kainoyrgia arxh h opoia eprepe na ginei, me bash ta pragmatika oikonomika stoixeia.

KYRITSHS: Den qa mporoyse na exei apofeyxqei dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apografh, oxi.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla prokyptei twra ena erwthma ariqmhtiko kyrie Ekproswpe. Oti to pososto toy elleimmatos einai diaforetiko sto arxiko AEP kai diaforetiko sto anaqewrhmeno. Ti ginetai edw pera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti exw apanthsei me poly sygkekrimena stoixeia, poia einai ta pososta toy elleimmatos eite me ton A' eite me ton B' tropo. Sas parapempw se prohgoymenh enhmerwsh, sthn opoia eixa dwsei ariqmhtika stoixeia.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite: Ayta ta 4 dis poy prokyptoyn, apo thn ayjhsh toy AEP, epipleon, poios qa ta plhrwsei san symmetoxh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H xwra exei sygkekrimenes desmeyseis se o,ti afora th symmetoxh ths sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Tis gnwrizete. Den exei allajei kati, ap' o,ti gnwrizw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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