Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-01-29

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 29 Ianoyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 54496153

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 29 Ianoyarioy 2007

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei ayrio, stis 09.30, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton anaplhrwth Prwqypoyrgo ths Kinas k. Xoya Gianmin.

Stis 10.30, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to PASOK kybernaei akoma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

SIDERHS: Prepei na sas ejhghsw giati to lew. O k. Giakoymatos jekinhse megalh sygkroysh kata twn ``lamogiwn'' toy PASOK. Etsi dhlwse sth Qessalonikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw akribws th dhlwsh poy moy anaferete.

SIDERHS: An den einai ``anemomyloi'', einai prosxhmata ta opoia shkwnei o k. Giakoymatos gia kapoioys logoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy me rwthsate isxyei;

SIDERHS: Bebaiws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Nea Dhmokratia einai kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: Ta ``lamogia'' poy kollane;

MPOTSARAKOS: Epeidh einai yfypoyrgos ths kybernhshs o k. Giakoymatos, qelw na jerw ean h kybernhsh th stash ayth thn yioqetei h thn apodokimazei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xrhsimopoiw pote tetoia fraseologia. Epishs, den einai fraseologia me thn opoia symfwnei h kybernhsh, ean xrhsimopoihqhke apo ton opoiondhpote.

SARANTAKOS: Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth: Kateqese shmera mia protash o k. Beremhs na ginei dhmochfisma gia to nomo plaisio, ton opoio protiqetai na kataqesei pros chfish, h kybernhsh sth Boylh. Einai kai qesh ths kybernhshs ayth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sebastes oles oi apoceis. H kybernhsh exei dhlwsei oti otan oloklhrwqei o dialogos, qa ferei to nomosxedio sth Boylh.

SARANTAKOS: H deyterh erwthsh moy exei na kanei me tis allepallhles dhlwseis, diadoxikes, toy k. Tatoylh kata toy k. Boylgarakh. O prwhn yfypoyrgos kathgorhse ton Ypoyrgo Politismoy gia agnoia, oti diesyre th xwra sto ejwteriko, oti ekane synallagh me moyseia arxaiokaphlwn. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs ep` aytwn twn barytatwn kataggeliwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den protiqemai na sxoliasw th dhlwsh thn opoia anaferate. Qa shmeiwsw, omws, oti h politikh toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy h opoia exei na kanei me thn epistrofh arxaiothtwn, exei hdh arxisei na apodidei karpoys. Ayto to gnwrizoyn oloi oi Ellhnes.

SARANTAKOS: Me th fraseologia poy xrhsimopoihse o k. Tatoylhs, yparxei qema peiqarxikoy elegxoy apo thn kybernhsh, apo to komma, dedomenoy oti htan poly sobares oi kataggelies poy ekane;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Empiptei sto prwto skelos ths apanthsews, opoy eipa oti den qa sxoliasw.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na moy sxoliasete to dhmosieyma toy BHMATOS, basei toy opoioy enas apo toys astynomikoys poy exei apospastei sto grafeio toy k. Nikhforakh, kathgoreitai oti exei ypopesei se eknomes energeies. Qelw kat` arxhn, na moy sxoliasete ayto kaqayto to gegonos kai deyteron, ean yparxei problhma me ton boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw sth dhlwsh poy exei kanei o boyleyths, h opoia einai kathgorhmatikh kai safhs. Den xreiazetai na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

XIWTHS: H qesh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti qa meinw sth dhlwsh toy boyleyth.

KAPRALOS: Diabazoyme shmera ston Typo -kai oxi mono apo ta shmerina dhmosieymata- qa elega oti to shmerino einai xarakthristiko dhmosieyma gia to oti yphrjan ypogeies symfwnies, symfwnies katw apo to trapezi, metajy ypochfioy toy PASOK gia th Nomarxia ths Kerkyras kai toy kommatos toy k. Karatzaferh. Bebaia kai sth B' Aqhnwn eidame prin apo tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges oti yphrxan tetoioy eidoys symfwnies. Sas anhsyxoyn aytoy toy eidoys oi symfwnies; Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai doyleia toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy na sxoliazei tetoioy eidoys kommatikes diergasies. Sth Dhmokratia ta kommata einai eleyqera na synaptoyn symmaxies kai synergasies. Bebaiws, einai ypoxrewmena, aytes tis symmaxies kai tis synergasies, na tis dhmosiopoioyn, dioti oloi mas logodotoyme stoys polites gi` ayta.

GKATSIOS: Thn Paraskeyh, o hgeths twn Toyrkokypriwn k. Talat apeilhse profanws, me ypodeijeis ths Agkyras, me polemo thn Kypro, se periptwsh poy jekinhsoyn oi ereynes gia petrelaio. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi` ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn dhlwseis poy jefeygoyn ths logikhs. H Kypriakh Dhmokratia exei kanei anakoinwseis. H eleyqeria ston kosmo mas einai katoxyrwmenh. Den xreiazetai th symfwnh gnwmh kapoioy proswpoy gia na mporesei na proxwrhsei h Kypriakh Dhmokratia stis apofaseis poy exei labei kai oi opoies den blaptoyn ta dieqnh nomima. Tetoies dhlwseis einai dhlwseis apostaqeropoihshs kai ws ek toytoy, emeis tis xarakthrizoyme aparadektes. To megalo zhtoymeno sthn ypoqesh toy kypriakoy zhthmatos, genikotera, einai na epideijei h toyrkokypriakh pleyra epoikodomhtikh stash gia thn ejeyresh lyshs sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE kai na yparjei proodos meta ta osa symfwnhqhkan ton perasmeno Ioynio.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Otan o Talat kanei ayth th dhlwsh gia apeilh polemoy kata ths Kyproy, toy Libanoy kai ths Aigyptoy ean synexistoyn oi ereynes gia petrelaio sthn perioxh ths Kyproy, den antanakloyn mono ston k. Talat. Antilambaneste oti aytes einai dhlwseis ths Toyrkias mesw Talat. Epomenws, to zhthma pairnei mia allh diastash kai den mporoyme etsi na to xarakthrizoyme aplo qema. Einai sobaro to zhthma.

ROYSOPOYLOSa Ean qymamai kala, den to xarakthrisa aplo. Eipa -kai epanalambanw- oti tetoies dhlwseis apostaqeropoihtikhs logikhs einai aparadektes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ena apo ta qemata poy apasxolhsan th shmerinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn antiproswpeia twn Amerikanwn geroysiastwn htan to qema ths tromokratias, alla kai to qema toy Afganistan. Ep` aytoy, qa hqela na jerw, yparxei kati diaforetiko se sxesh me th stash ths kybernhshs, toso gia to qema ths tromokratias, oso kai gia to qema toy Afganistan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi eixan polles fores thn eykairia na milhsoyn dhmosiws gi` ayta ta qemata. Den exei allajei tipota.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yphrje kapoioy eidoys piesh apo thn pleyra twn geroysiastwn se o,ti afora to qema ths tromokratias kai toy Afganistan; Dhladh, na ayjhqei o ellhnikos stratos ston Afganistan h kati allo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai gnwsth. O Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas exei milhsei gi` ayta ta qemata prosfata, nomizw, meta th synedriash toy KYSEA. Tetoioy eidoys synanthseis qa tis xarakthriza ws eqimotypikoy xarakthra, oi opoies enisxyoyn toys desmoys twn dyo xwrwn.

BLAXOS: Skeptetai h kybernhsh na kanei kati me to Tatoi, meta to qorybo poy exei jespasei; Dhladh, na to ekmetalleytei, na to ftiajei, na kanei moyseio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei jekinhsei mia prospaqeia, edw kai para poly kairo -sxedon ligoys mhnes meta thn analhch ths diakybernhshs apo th Nea Dhmokratia- gia thn ajiopoihsh toy xwroy. Gnwrizete oti tote eginan kai anakoinwseis. Yparxei prospaqeia ejeyreshs xrhmatwn apo ta koinotika kondylia gia na mporesei na ajiopoihqei o xwros me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Den exw kati kainoyrgio h kati perissotero. Mporw na enhmerwqw apo to Ypoyrgeio Politismoy kai na sas apanthsw, isws ayrio. Alla, qymamai ayto ws gegonos, prin apo dyo xronia, oxi parapanw.

BLAXOS: Ean akoysa kala prohgoymenws, apantwntas se erwthsh gia to pws sxoliazete tis dhlwseis toy k. Tatoylh enantion toy k. Boylgarakh, eipate ``den qa tis sxoliasw''. Otan enas prwhn ypoyrgos kai nyn boyleyths leei oti o ypoyrgos exei synergastei me arxaiokaphloys, ti allo prepei na pei aytos o boyleyths enantion enos ypoyrgoy gia na to sxoliasei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw oti exei pei kati tetoio. Kata mia diastaltikh ermhneia anaferetai ayto. Oxi apo esas mono, alla kai apo dhmosieymata. Ektimw oti den exei pei kati tetoio. Se kaqe periptwsh, qa meinw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa molis pro oligoy. Sas qymizw oti perilambane kai mia apanthsh peri ths apodotikothtas poy exei hdh h politikh gia thn epistrofh keimhliwn ths politistikhs mas klhronomias, kati to opoio epi seira etwn -ean oxi dekaetiwn- epidiwke h ellhnikh Politeia kai molis ton teleytaio kairo exei arxisei na ginetai pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: O Amerikanos Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Nikolas Mperns dhlwse proxqes oti h Ellada qa mporoyse na kanei perissotera kai na symbalei me megalytero ariqmo dynamewn sto Afganistan. Qelw na rwthsw, ean sth synodo Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn toy NATO h Ellada desmeythke gia na steilei perissotera strateymata sto Afganistan, ektos apo th bohqeia kai ta mesa poy qa steilei dwrean.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio, mporw omws na rwthsw to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs. Exw thn entypwsh oti exei ginei dhlwsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs, alla ayrio qa eimai paraskeyasmenos kai qa sas dwsw analytikh apanthsh.

BLAXOS: H dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, mhnyma pros ta Tirana gia sebasmo ths meionothtas exei sxesh me tis epikeimenes dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges; Einai kati dhladh poy anhsyxei thn kybernhsh gia to pws qa diejaxqoyn aytes oi ekloges;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qewrw oti yparxei kapoios tetoios symbolismos sth dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Den qa ermhneysw th dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Pisteyw oti o Proedros eipe to aytonohto, ayto to opoio epi xronia lene oles oi politikes paratajeis.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symfwna me dhmosieyma ths Kyriakatikhs Eleyqerotypias, mporei kaneis mpainontas se enan dhmofilh diktyako topo, opoy antallassontai binteo (den akoygetai), na katebasei binteo ta opoia eixan trabhxtei apo tis kameres asfaleias twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Qelw to sxolio ths kybernhshs gi` ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an isxyei ayto. Eimai bebaios oti an isxyei qa tyxei ereynas apo thn armodia epitroph.

KYRITSHS: Poia einai armodia gi` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn armodioi gia th diasfalish twn proswpikwn dedomenwn, toy aporrhtoy twn epikoinwniwn k.o.k., kai opws gnwrizete, einai Anejarthtes Arxes. Epishs, gnwrizete oti h nomoqesia toso h dikh mas oso kai allwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn -epeidh milame gia ena xwro poy anaptyssetai diarkws kyriws texnologika- exei arketa ellipeis probleceis h den exei probleceis.

KYRITSHS: Ayto einai kati poy afora thn kykloforia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati akribws einai kati...

KYRTITSHS: Kapoioi ta dwsane omws kai gi` ayto ypotiqetai oti yparxei kapoia problech asfaleias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na oloklhrwsw: Gi` ayto akribws den mporw na pw kati poy exei na kanei me to nomo h thn thrhsh nomimwn, se o,ti afora to Internet. Pantws, sigoyra, den mporei kapoios na parabiazei aporrhta stoixeia, apo th stigmh poy ta stoixeia ayta anhkoyn sth dikaiodosia ths ellhnikhs Politeias h aporrhta stoixeia poy anhkoyn se opoiondhpote idiwth. Ean, loipon, yparxei kati tetoio, eimai bebaios oti oi armodies arxes qa epilhfqoyn.

KYRITSHS: To endexomeno na arxisoyn na kykloforoyn kai proionta thlefwnikwn ypoklopwn to exete skefqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na mhn kanw eikasies panw se diafora endexomena.

MAYRIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ean eixate kapoio troxaio atyxhma...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Straba jekinate. Ean eixa kai troxaio atyxhma...

MAYRIDHS: ... Kai hsastan ypaitios eseis, eseis to eixate prokalesei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Trito strabo.

MAYRIDHS: ... Qa dexosastan kapoios synergaths sas na kataqesei yper sas gia na apozhmiwqeite kai na kerdisete th dikh; Giati to lew ayto...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti kapoy qelete na to pate. Den to pate kateyqeian, na rwthsete eyqews anti na kanete ayta ta slalom;

MAYRIDHS: Yparxei mia erwthsh toy k. Karximakh sth Boylh, me thn opoia leei oti o k. Mixaloliakos ebale kapoio synergath toy na ceydomartyrhsei prokeimenoy na kerdisei dikh kai ychlh apozhmiwsh. Apodeixqhke sth synexeia oti o kyrios aytos, o opoios phge na kataqesei ws martyras, htan diorismenos sto politiko grafeio toy Ypoyrgoy apo tis 30 Martioy toy 2004. Opws antilambaneste prokyptei ena zhthma hqikhs tajhs, gi` ayto kai sas eqesa ayth thn erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paroti exw mperdeytei, kai to lew eilikrina xwris kamia dosh ypotimhshs sthn erwthsh sas h toy boyleyth toy PASOK, qa sas pw oti stis erwthseis yparxei mia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia h opoia akoloyqeitai. Apantatai h kaqe erwthsh sth Boylh.

XIWTH: Qelw na epistrecw stis dhlwseis toy k. Beremh. Eipate oti h kybernhsh exei anakoinwsei -kai pragmati- oti qa kataqesei to nomo-plaisio sth Boylh en eyqetw xronw. O k. Beremhs den eipe kati to antiqeto, aplws prosqetei thn protash toy, legontas malista oti einai symfwnh h politikh hgesia na pragmatopoihqei epipleon kai ena dhmochfisma. An qymamai kala, h kybernhsh htan qetikh sth diejagwgh dhmochfismatwn oso htan sthn antipoliteysh kai problepetai kai syntagmatika ayth h diadikasia. Rwtw loipon, ean h kybernhsh protiqetai na qesei ayto to zhthma se dhmochfisma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti htan safestath h apanthsh poy edwsa se prohgoymenh erwthsh. Epanalambanw: Yparxei mia diadikasia thn opoia exoyme anakoinwsei. Ayth h diadikasia qa akoloyqhqei. H eis atopon apagwgh den einai mono maqhmatikos oros, akoloyqeitai sth filosofia kai alloy.

XIWTHS: Tote ti sas kostizei na peite ``oxi, den syzhtame dhmochfisma'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan analabete Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, mporeite na apantate opws eseis nomizete.

SIDERHS: To gegonos ths dhmosieyshs aytwn twn binteo apo tis kameres asfaleias...

ROYSOPOYLOS: An einai gegonos.

SIDERHS: ... Dhmosieyqhkan fwtografies sthn ``Kyriakatikh Eleyqerotypia''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qelw na diaceysw kanena dhmosieyma...

SIDERHS: Ma sas ejhgw epeidh lete oti den einai gegonos. Fwtografies apo atyxhmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. H erwthsh poia einai;

SIDERHS: Ek prooimioy den deixnei oti ta proswpika dedomena einai episfalh kai me ayth th diarqrwsh poy exoyn aytes oi yphresies, opoy kapoia stigmh mporei kapoios na trakarei -na exei mia paranomh sxesh- kai na dei ton eayto toy sto internet h na apotelesei antikeimeno ekbiasmoy; Enas politikos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn tromokrateite ton kosmo.

SIDERHS: Gia politikoys lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw kati perissotero apo ayta poy eipa prohgoymenws.

SARANTAKOS: Protiqetai h k. Giannakoy na paroysiasei amesa tis protaseis ths kybernhshs gia to panepisthmiako asylo; Kai otan lew amesa ennow sthn synodo twn prytanewn poy qa ginei to Sabbatokyriako sto Bolo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Mporw na th rwthsw kai na sas apanthsw.

BLAXOS: Akoysa me poly megalh periergeia mia ejelijh to prwi gia to qema twn prytanewn, oti oi prytaneis den qa kanoyn th genikh toys syneleysh sto Bolo kai oti yphrxe problhma asfaleias gia thn paroysia ths k. Giannakoy kai etsi qa kanoyn th syneleysh sthn Aqhna. Den mporei se ayth th xwra h Ypoyrgos Paideias na kykloforhsei kai na paei na metasxei se mia synedriash sto Bolo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw leptomereies, alla kai gi' ayto mporw na rwthsw kai na sas apanthsw to apogeyma h ayrio.

XIWTHS: Qelw na epistrecw sto qema toy Afganistan, dioti dhmosiografikes plhrofories kai shmerina dhmosieymata anaferoyn oti h amerikanikh kybernhsh syndeei ayto to zhthma me to zhthma ths ejaireshs ths xwras mas apo to kaqestws ths bizas. Legetai oti ayto htan ena apo ta antikeimena syzhthshs ths k. Rais kai ths k. Mpakogiannh thn Paraskeyh stis Bryjelles. Qelw na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh dexetai na syndeqei ayto to zhthma ths bizas me to Afganistan kai ean ypo aytes tis synqhkes syzhta ayjhsh ths stratiwtikhs dynamhs sthn Kampoyl.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh einai aytonohth. To ena qema den exei sxesh me to allo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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