Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-10-30

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 30 Oktwbrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 38045229

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 30 Oktwbrioy 2006

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 10.00, qa exei synergasia me thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh. Stis 11.00 qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai stis 13.00 o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Proedro toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy k. Xose Mporel Fontegies.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Dyo erwthseis kyrie Ekproswpe: H prwth afora mia xqesinh apokalych ths ``KAQHMERINHS'', h opoia anefere oti exoyme enan proypologismo 8 dis poy einai kryfa kondylia. Bebaia den eyqyneste eseis, eyqynontai kai oloi oi prohgoymenoi. Kai eseis kai oi alloi. Me poia logikh mporei to Ypoyrgeio Ergasias h to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs na exei mystika kondylia; To katanooyme gia to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, gia to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai gia to prwhn Ypoyrgeio Typoy, gia logoys eqnikhs anagkaiothtas. Ti qa kanete me ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste profanws sto qema twn eidikwn logariasmwn poy einai kati jexwristo apo to zhthma poy perigracate sto deytero skelos, toylaxiston, ths erwthshs sas.

SIDERHS: Akribws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas pw oti h pragmatikothta einai oti sthn pleionothta toys ta esoda twn eidikwn logariasmwn xrhmatodotoyn ta eidika epidomata diaforetikwn kathgoriwn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Olo ayto to qema einai entagmeno sth basikh ypoqesh toy eniaioy misqologioy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Kai opws gnwrizete, gia to eniaio misqologio exei jekinhsei hdh dialogos apo thn kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: Qa entaxqoyn ston proypologismo ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa molis twra.

SIDERHS: Eixame mia kataggelia apo to dhmosiografo Triantafyllopoylo. Anejarthta apo th gnwmh poy mporei na exei kaneis gia ton sygkekrimeno, den niwqete thn anagkh na apanthsete se sxesh me ayta poy toy eipate thlefwnika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas pw to ejhs: Yphrje mia synomilia, oxi opws apodidetai. H synomilia egine akribws thn hmera poy h efhmerida, se prwtoselido, alla kai me megalo reportaz mesa, epiteqhke me barbaro tropo enantion twn paidiwn moy. Gia to qema ayto, opws gnwrizete, exw hdh probei se dhmosia aysthrh dhlwsh.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gia ena akomh Sabbatokyriako, toso sto ghpedo ths Larisas, alla kai sto Stadio Eirhnhs kai Filias, eixame nea epeisodia, ektetamena ayth th fora kai bebaia me anypologistes zhmies kai se ektash megala. Qelw na rwthsw, mexri poy qa ftasei ayth h katastash kai ti prokeitai na kanei h kybernhsh gia na stamathsei mia gia panta ayto to fainomeno ths bias sta ghpeda;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti yparxei apo xqes analytikh anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, h opoia bebaiws briskei apolytws symfwno, olo to kybernhtiko epiteleio. Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh exei prospaqhsei, me nomo ton opoio eixe ferei o armodios ypoyrgos k. Orfanos, na bohqhsei sto na pataxqei h bia sta ghpeda. H prospaqeia einai diarkhs, xreiazetai th bohqeia olwn twn pleyrwn.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, omws (den akoygetai) kai to Dioikhtiko Symboylio ths Soyper Ligka poy diorganwnei gia fetos, afoy to prwtaqlhma perase apo thn EPAE, einai adynato mexri ayth th stigmh na dwsei lysh sto problhma ths bias. Nomizete oti h kybernhsh exei kanei laqos poy edwse to prwtaqlhma apo thn EPAE sthn epaggelmatikh omada twn anwnymwn etaireiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Prwton, mh syndeete dyo diaforetika qemata metajy toys. Kai deyteron, se o,ti afora thn ypoqesh ths bias, h kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh exei deijei thn eyaisqhsia poy prepei na deijei kaqe kybernhsh. Exoyn ginei aytes oi energeies poy sas eipa, energeies stis opoies xreiazetai h synergasia olwn gia na exoyn apotelesma.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dedomenoy oti exei proxwrhsei epi makron o dialogos gia to qema ths allaghs toy tropoy leitoyrgias twn AEI, exei h kybernhsh xronodiagramma gia thn kataqesh sth Boylh toy epimaxoy nomosxedioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qymaste oti exoyme pei polles fores pws o dialogos aytos qa prepei na ejantlhsei kaqe periqwrio. Ejantloyntai ta periqwria, dioti akribws to qema ths Paideias einai ena poly shmantiko qema to opoio h Nea Dhmokratia kai ws antipoliteysh, alla kai ws kybernhsh qewrei qema prwths proteraiothtas. Den qa qelame, se kamia periptwsh, na odhghqoyme sto telos aytoy toy dialogoy espeysmena. Ayto den shmainei oti yparxei kapoio xronodiagramma, to opoio sas apokryptw, alla qeloyme na akoystoyn oles oi apoceis. Moy dinete thn eykairia na qymisw oti o dialogos synexizetai sto plaisio ths armodias Epitrophs ths Boylhs kai qa htan eyxhs ergo ean kai oi foithtikes organwseis oi opoies den phgan sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs, mporoysan na kataqesoyn tis apoceis toys, wste na exoyme mia oloklhrwmenh eikona.

BLAXOS: Mexri pote qa synexizetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oso xreiastei wste na mporesoyme na ejantlhsoyme kaqe periqwrio synennohshs.

BLAXOS: Mexri tis ekloges dhladh... ;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite tis eqnikes ekloges; Oxi.

BLAXOS: Mexri tis epomenes eqnikes ekloges, opote ginoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, to qema qa ejantlhqei nwritera. Den qa paei ws tis epomenes ekloges.

BLAXOS: Qa einai antikeimeno proeklogikhs diamaxhs to nomosxedio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa ejantlhqei nwritera, ara den qa einai antikeimeno proeklogikhs diamaxhs. Se kaqe periptwsh, emeis ekeino to opoio exoyme na poyme, einai oti h Paideia xreiazetai thn eyryterh dynath synennohsh. Kai ayth th synennohsh einai poy prospaqei h kybernhsh na epityxei sto plaisio ths Boylhs, ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias, twn kommatwn kai bebaiws twn diaforwn forewn. Einai endiaferon to gegonos oti yparxei ena ``kinhma'', to opoio to blepoyme -entos eisagwgikwn h lejh ``kinhma'', giati parapempei se alles skeceis- me thn ennoia toy oti kai foithtes kai kaqhghtes kai politikoi ap` oles tis paratajeis dhlwnoyn dhmosiws oti xreiazetai ayth h kinhtopoihsh na odhghsei se ena kainoyrgio periballon gia thn Paideia. Eidika gia thn Anwtath Ekpaideysh, ena periballon -opws exw pei kai allh fora- pio antagwnistiko, yper twn dikwn mas panepisthmiwn, twn dikwn mas foithtwn, se sxesh me to ypoloipo eyrwpaiko periballon.

BLAXOS: Qa chfistei apo thn paroysa Boylh h mporei na paei sthn epomenh Boylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh sto erwthma sas.

BLAXOS: Einai shmantiko na mas peite, ean qa chfistei apo thn paroysa Boylh. Dhladh, teleiwsei o dialogos kai chfistei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. Nomizw oti den xreiazetai na to pw toso kaqara. To exw pei me diaforetikoys tropoys polles fores.

BLAXOS: Qeloyme na to akoyme.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh moy qa htan dieykrinistikh, bebaiws o Blaxos rwtaei gia to an qa einai sthn paroysa Boylh. Egw qelw na to kanw pio sygkekrimeno. Qa einai me th lhjh ths ekpaideytikhs periodoy, dhladh sta telh Ioynioy, h qa parei kai peraiterw apo ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero. Exw hdh pei arketa.

PALAIOLOGOS: H deyterh erwthsh poy qelw na kanw exei sxesh me th DEKA. Epeidh apo shmera jekina pali h dikh ths DEKA kai stelexh toy PASOK me prwto ton k. Aqanasakh exoyn pei oti me ayth th dikh ejyphretoyntai kommatikes skopimothtes se baros toy PASOK. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio apo th stigmh poy to qema brisketai sth Dikaiosynh.

KAKALHS: Efoson exei anaireqei sthn prajh h desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia ayjhsh twn dapanwn gia thn Paideia sto 5% gia to AEP, mporeite na mas peite th nea desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Pote dhladh qa ayjhqoyn oi dapanes gia thn Paideia sto 5% ws pros to pososto toy AEP; Kai deyteron, pws qa lyqoyn ta problhmata gia thn Paideia, ta opoia prokaloyn kai tis kinhtopoihseis poy briskontai ayth th stigmh se ejelijh kai prohghqhkan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora stis kinhtopoihseis daskalwn kai kaqhghtwn poy prohghqhkan, gnwrizete oti yphrje mia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys daskaloys kai toys kaqhghtes. Yparxei diarkhs dialogos me thn ypoyrgo Paideias kai en genei me to ypoyrgeio Paideias. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero. Ta eipame ola thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Se o,ti afora to mellon, paroti exoyme pei hdh polla pragmata, qa epanalabw gia mia akomh fora: Xreiazetai na ginoyn oi metarryqmiseis ekeines poy qa bohqhsoyn to ellhniko panepisthmio na exei akoma pio isxyrh qesh. Mia pragmatika isxyrh qesh sto eyrwpaiko kai to pagkosmio periballon.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti yphrje mia epikoinwnia dikh sas me ton k. Triantafyllopoylo, aplws to periexomeno den apodoqhke swsta. Poio htan akribws to periexomeno ths epikoinwnias poy eixate me ton ekdoth ths efhmeridas ekeinh thn Kyriakh; Htan mia diamartyria, htan ayto poy leei o idios oti exete kapoia stoixeia enantion kapoiwn allwn ekdotwn; Ti akribws einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw sth dhlwsh poy exw kanei.

SARANTAKOS: Oti den apodoqhke swsta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw sth dhlwsh thn opoia exw kanei. Parakalw diabaste th.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto qema twn Skopiwn. Exei gnwsh h ellhnikh kybernhsh, ean ta Skopia throyn th symfwnia se o,ti afora to qema na apexoyn apo kaqe propagandistikh energeia sxetika me to onoma h me thn politistikh klhronomia ths Makedonias, kati poy problepetai apo thn endiamesh symfwnia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Foboymai oti den katalaba to erwthma sas. Eipate, ean exei sxesh me ti;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ean einai se gnwsh ths kybernhshs oti ta Skopia apexoyn apo kaqe propagandistikh energeia, dhladh den probainoyn se kapoies energeies, endexomenws sta sxolika biblia, se diafora alla fylladia k.t.l. me ta opoia na kaphleyontai -na to pw xontra- to onoma ths Makedonias kai thn politistikh klhronomia ths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs. Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Rwtw, ean exei perielqei se gnwsh sas to gegonos oti ta Skopia mporei kai na mhn throyn ayth th symfwnia kai na probainoyn se kapoies tetoies prajeis propagandistikes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati perissotero.

BLAXOS: Exoyn ftasei ston Prwqypoyrgo oi antirrhseis twn kyriwn Soyflia kai Sioyfa gia tis apokratikopoihseis sthn EYAQ kai DEH;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: Den gnwrizete na yparxoyn antirrhseis h den gnwrizete ean exoyn ftasei ston Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ta dyo mazi.

SARANTAKOS: Xqes, sto ``EQNOS THS KYRIAKHS'' o k. Anagnwstopoylos eipe oti den mporei na metatrepetai se hfaisteio enas nomos -ennooyse to nomo Karditsas- apo symperifores kapoiwn ypoyrgwn. Shmera, o k. Argyrhs Ntinopoylos, se arqro toy se apogeymatinh efhmerida, eipe oti den prospaqhsame oloi oso qa eprepe gia na kerdhqei h yperonomarxia. Poio einai to sxolio sas gia tis dyo aytes epishmanseis stelexwn toy kybernwntos kommatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

SPYRAKH: Tis hmeres poy den hsastan entos, eixame dyo symperifores boyleytwn poy qa sas parakaloysa na sxoliasete ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, mia kai oi boyleytes anhkoyn sthn kybernhtikh pleiochfia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti den sxoliazw symperifores -opws eipate- boyleytwn. Oyte dhlwseis boyleytwn, alla mporeite na kanete thn erwthsh sas.

SPYRAKH: Kanete shmera mia ejairesh. Qa hqela na sxoliasete ta legomena toy k. Xaitidh stis Serres kai tis dhlwseis toy k. Nikolopoyloy sthn Axaia. O k. Xaitidhs stis Serres ypainixqhke dhmosiws apo thleorasews sxeseis dhmosiografoy me ton ypochfio nomarxh ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Papanagiwtoy kai o k. Nikolopoylos sthn Axaia eipe oti den qelei na einai boyleyths ths pitzamas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na mhn kanw ejairesh.

BLAXOS: (den akoygetai) na kanete ejairesh gia na epibebaiwsete thn kanona.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa breqei allh eykairia.

PASISHS: Yparxei qema diagrafhs twn antartwn ths Neas Dhmokratias twra poy exoyn teleiwsei oi dhmotikes ekloges, osoi dhladh den peiqarxhsan me thn kommatikh grammh na chfisoyn toys epishmoys ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Einai qema to opoio prepei na apeyqynqei ston Grammatea toy kommatos.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epairesqe gia tis diarqrwtikes allages sas. Pws paei h idiwtikopoihsh ths DEH, ths EYAQ, h Olympiakh, h enopoihsh twn asfalistikwn tameiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti exoyn proxwrhsei se para poly megalo baqos oi proeklogikes desmeyseis ths kybernhshs. Deite, as poyme, ton OTE, deite thn Emporikh Trapeza. Se o,ti afora th DEH, egw ontws den qymamai na yparxei kapoy idiwtikopoihsh ths DEH sto proeklogiko programma ths Neas Dhmokratias me bash to opoio chfisthke gia na ginei kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: H enopoihsh twn asfalistikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia ta asfalistika gnwrizete oti exei jekinhsei enas dialogos, exoyme hdh dhmosia topoqethseis apo toys koinwnikoys foreis. O dialogos jekinhse edw kai para poly kairo. To armodio ypoyrgeio brisketai se synergasia mazi toys.

SIDERHS: Kai qa to afhsete meta tis ekloges.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. En genei gia to asfalistiko, exoyme milhsei. Alla eidika aytes oi periptwseis, poy den einai mikres, einai shmantikes gia to asfalistiko, gnwrizete poly kala oti entassontai sthn poreia aytoy toy dialogoy.

BLAXOS: Anasxhmatismos qa ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pali oxi. Den blepw kati tetoio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh sas egine erwthsh gia to asfalistiko, den jerw ean exete ypoch sas tis hmeres poy hsastan sthn Amerikh, o Proedros ths Epitrophs gia to asfalistiko k. Analyths, ejefrase mia apoch - den jerw bebaia, kata poso h kybernhsh th symmerizetai h oxi- na primodotoyntai osoi den bgainoyn nwris sth syntajh kai bebaiws to orio ths syntajimhs hlikias na paei sta 67. H kybernhsh symmerizetai -kai epeidh egine ayth h dhlwsh meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton armodio ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs ton k. Tsitoyridh- thn apoch toy k. Analyth gia ayjhsh toy orioy hlikias sta 67 xronia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi

MAYRIDHS: Epeidh yparxei mia genikoterh aisqhsh oti olh ayth h praktikh ths kybernhshs gia diarkh dialogo kai sto qema ths paideias kai sto asfalistiko poy anaferqhkate prohgoymenws, yparxei mia genikoterh aisqhsh oti anaballetai h anastelletai h diadikasia twn metarryqmisewn. Pws apantate se ayth thn aisqhsh poy yparxei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edwsa dyo paradeigmata ta opoia mono to antiqeto apodeiknyoyn. Kai to paradeigma toy OTE kai to paradeigma ths Emporikhs Trapezas apodeiknyoyn akribws to antiqeto. Oti dhladh exoyn proxwrhsei ta pragmata se megalytero baqos apo oti orismenoi pisteyoyn. Yparxoyn kai metarryqmiseis oi opoies proxwroyn, einai en tw gennasqai. H ypoqesh ths Paideias, thn opoia syzhthsame prohgoymenws einai mia metarryqmish se baqos megaloy xronoy, h opoia einai anagkaia kai anamenetai na oloklhrwqei apo ayth thn kybernhsh.

SPYRAKH: Ep' aytoy hqela na sas rwthsw. Mexri na oloklhrwqei h qhteia ths kybernhshs, poies einai  giati mas anaferate prohgoymenws ton OTE poy einai mia  oi alles metarryqmiseis poy h kybernhsh exei sxediasei me orizonta tis kalpes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An ejairesete oti xreiazetai allagh toy Syntagmatos gia na exoyme ta mh kratika mh kerdoskopikoy xarakthra panepisthmia, ara loipon den mporei na ejantlhqei to qema entos ths 4etias, oi ypoloipes desmeyseis ofeiloyn na ginoyn prajh  kai h kybernhsh ayth prospaqei na kanei  entos ths 4etias.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh syntassetai yper ths epibolhs kyrwsewn se baros ths Toyrkias se periptwsh poy ayth den symmorfwqei me tis ypoxrewseis ths pros thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, gnwrizete poly kala, oti exei topoqethqei gia to qema, pisteyontas oti h Toyrkia qa prepei na akoloyqhsei oloys ekeinoys toys kanones poy orizei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh sthn poreia ths gia thn entajh ths.

KAKALHS: Kai pws sxoliazete thn ekklhsh toy Epitropoy pros toys ``25'' na proxwrhsoyn sthn yioqethsh toy kanonismoy gia apeyqeias emporio pros ta katexomena;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Toyrkia ofeilei na antapokriqei stis ypoxrewseis ths. Ean den antapokriqei, kati to opoio emeis apeyxomaste, tote einai fysiko na yparjoyn -prepei na yparjoyn- kat` efarmogh symfwnhmenwn eyrwpaikwn keimenwn kapoia metra kai kyrwseis. Nomizw oti apantw kai sta dyo erwthmata sas.

Sas eyxaristw.

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