Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-10-18

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 18 Oktwbrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 35901510

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 18 Oktwbrioy 2006

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 10.00 to prwi, qa synanthqei me th synqetida k. Eyanqia Rempoytsika, h opoia kerdise to dieqnes brabeio ``Anakalych ths xronias'', sto dieqnes festibal ths Gandhs, gia thn tainia ``My father, my son'' toy Toyrkoy skhnoqeth Tsagkan Irmak. Einai ena brabeio poy aponemetai se anerxomenoys synqetes ap` olo ton kosmo, me epilogh poy kanei h dieqnhs kritikh epitroph, metajy 3.500 tainiwn ap` olo ton kosmo. H synanthsh qa ginei paroysia toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy k. Giwrgoy Boylgarakh. Stis 11.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Proedro ths Ellhnikhs Koinothtas Bhrytoy k. Panagiwth Andriwth. Stis 14.00, qa khryjei thn enarjh twn ergasiwn toy Synedrioy poy diorganwnei h Eyrwpaikh Trapeza Ependysewn me qema thn anaptyjh ths notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs. Sth synexeia, o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei gia to Laxti ths Filandias opoy qa symmetasxei sto atypo Eyrwpaiko Symboylio.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti nohma eixe h xqesinh synanthsh ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias me toys ekproswpoys twn daskalwn, otan toys epanelabe akribws ta idia: Oti h kybernhsh den prokeitai na dei ta aithmata toys giati oi antoxes ths oikonomias einai sygkekrimenes kai den prokeitai na ikanopoihsei kai kanena qesmiko toys aithma. Htan mia synanthsh gia ta matia toy kosmoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Foboymai oti sas pianw adiabasth. Qa sas diabasw, loipon, mia seira apo qesmika zhthmata poy syzhthqhkan xqes kai ta opoia kai h idia h ypoyrgos exei pei. Hdh exei ekdoqei kai anakoinwsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn. To prwto qema afora thn prosxolikh agwgh: H Ypoyrgos Paideias anakoinwse oti apo to epomeno sxoliko etos h prosxolikh agwgh, diarkeias enos etoys, qa katastei ypoxrewtikh. Me th qesh ayth htan symfwnes kai h DOE kai h OLME. To deytero qema afora ta oligoqesia sxoleia: H DOE eqese to qema ths dieyqethshs toy wrarioy twn daskalwn poy yphretoyn sta oligoqesia sxoleia kai thn enarmonish toy me ta wraria twn daskalwn poy yphretoyn sta polyqesia. H Ypoyrgos Paideias dhlwse oti boylhsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias einai na ikanopoihqei to aithma ayto meta apo synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. To trito qema afora thn ayjhsh ths wriaias apozhmiwshs twn wromisqiwn ekpaideytikwn: H Ypoyrgos Paideias yposxeqhke oti se synergasia me to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qa ajiopoihqoyn ta oikonomika programmata wste na antimetwpistei qetika, apo to epomeno sxoliko etos, h ayjhsh ths wriaias apozhmiwshs twn wromisqiwn ekpaideytikwn, toso ths Prwtobaqmias oso kai ths Deyterobaqmias Ekpaideyshs. To tetarto qema afora th meiwsh toy ariqmoy twn maqhtwn ana tajh: Para to gegonos oti ystera apo 21 xronia meiwqhke o ariqmos twn maqhtwn se kaqe tmhma sth men Prwtobaqmia apo 30 maqhtes se 25, sth de Deyterobaqmia apo 35 se 30, h Ypoyrgos Paideias symfwnhse -afoy melethqoyn ta apotelesmata ths efarmoghs toy metroy aytoy- na ejetastei to aithma gia peraiterw meiwsh twn maqhtwn ana tajh. To pempto qema afora thn epimorfwsh twn ekpaideytikwn: Se o,ti afora th genikoterh kai diarkh epimorfwsh twn ekpaideytikwn, h ypoyrgos anakoinwse oti to qema ayto hdh entassetai sta kondylia poy qa diateqoyn apo to D' KPS, poy qa fqasoyn telika ta 4 ekatommyria eyrw peripoy. To Ypoyrgeio Paideias se synergasia me toys ekpaideytikoys qa diamorfwsei programmata polymorfhs epimorfwshs twn ekpaideytikwn. Eidika gi` ayto to qema  opws sas eipa kai xqes- zhthse tis protaseis ths DOE kai ths OLME. Se o,ti afora to aithma gia ta 1.400 eyrw kai thn ayjhsh toy basikoy misqoy twn ekpaideytikwn, h ypoyrgos epanelabe ayto, to opoio sas exw pei kai egw polles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa: Oti to aithma den mporei na ikanopoihqei apo thn kybernhsh dioti brisketai ektos twn oriwn toy Proypologismoy kai ths genikoterhs eisodhmatikhs politikhs kai einai anantistoixo me oti isxyei ston ypoloipo dhmosio tomea. Epishs, toys epanelabe oti apo 1.1.2007 qa arxisei na kataballetai stadiaka to epidoma twn 105 eyrw.

GKOYTZANHS: Parakoloyqhsa oti sta aithmata poy anaferete oti syzhthqhkan xrhsimopoihsate: Sto deytero ``boylhsh ths kybernhshs'', sto trito ``yposxeqhke oti'' kai epishs ``oti qa ejetastei''. Ayta den einai desmeyseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na sas ta janadiabasw gia na katalabete oti mallon den ta katalabate kala;

GKOYTZANHS: Ta katalaba para poly kala. Xrhsimopoihsa ta rhmata sas. Ta exw krathsei. Deytero aithma ``boylhsh ths kybernhshs''...

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema einai oti meinate mono sta rhmata kai den akoysate to ypoloipo nohma aporrofhmenos apo thn erwthsh poy etoimazate.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia to epipedo ths prosxolikhs agwghs eipate oti desmeythke kai apo toy xronoy qa efarmostei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan leme oti h ypoyrgos yposxeqhke oti se synergasia me to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qa ajiopoihsei  gia to kalo fysika ths Paideias- ta eyrwpaika programmata, antimetwpizontas qetika apo to epomeno etos thn ayjhsh ths wriaias apozhmiwshs, shmainei oti: Apo ta koinotika programmata qa doqei h ayjhsh ths wriaias apozhmiwshs stoys daskaloys kai toys kaqhghtes, h opoia einai hdh symfwnhmenh oxi sto poson ths, oti qa ginei h ayjhsh. To poso kai o tropos exei na kanei me ta koinotika programmata. Einai loipon mia safhs desmeysh ths kybernhshs. Kai opws blepete ayth h kybernhsh den kanei pisw stis desmeyseis ths.

XIWTHS: Parola ayta k. Ypoyrge, oi ekpaideytikoi synexizoyn tis kinhtopoihseis. Pragmatopoioyn shmera syllalhthrio. Ara, katalabainw me ayta poy lete oti ekeinoi einai oi axaristoi h en pash periptwsei ekeinoi einai poy epideiknyoyn adiallajia sto dialogo me thn kybernhsh. Swsta katalabainw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakaloysa, sto dhmosio dialogo  giati dhmosios dialogos einai kai aytos poy ginetai edw- na mh xrhsimopoieite ekfraseis oi opoies ypotimoyn to leitoyrghma toy daskaloy. Egw den qa xrhsimopoioysa pote mia tetoia ekfrash. Sebomai ton agwna toys, sebomai ta aithmata toys. Exw dhlwsei polles fores apo ayth th qesh oti h kybernhsh sth desmeysh ths gia ta 105 eyrw, proxwraei me sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma. Makari na mporoyse na kanei kati kalytero.

XIWTHS: Entajei, aposyrw to xarakthrismo poy ekana, alla parola ayta apo th stigmh poy yparxei ena ``nayagio'' kapoios eyqynetai gi` ayto. Apo th stigmh poy eseis yperaspizeste th stash ths kybernhshs, fantazomai oti apodidete tis eyqynes stoys ekpaideytikoys h kai gi` ayto kanw laqos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw pleon to rolo toy dhmosiografoy. Yphrja gia polla xronia, den qa ton anakthsw kai pali. Briskomai se allo xwro, briskomai sthn politikh. Se kaqe periptwsh, isxyei ayto to opoio exw pei gia th qesh ths kybernhshs sto sygkekrimeno aithma twn daskalwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa anagnwrizete omws kyrie Ekproswpe oti yparxei mia pragmatikothta. Dhladh apo th mia oti ta sxoleia einai kleista gia enan oloklhro mhna kai qa parameinoyn -toylaxiston an synexisoyn thn apergia toys oi ekpaideytikoi- oti apo thn allh xqes, diapistwqhke sto dialogo, se o,ti afora kyriws to zhthma twn oikonomikwn apolabwn, oti den kanoyn pisw oyte h kybernhsh, oyte oi ekpaideytikoi. Ara, sthn prokeimenh periptwsh na katalogisw egw oti den yparxei kalopistia apo th mia h apo thn allh pleyra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw gia pollosth fora oti ta sxolia einai dika sas kai exete kaqe dynatothta na kanete sxolia. To na moy anaferete ena sxolio, to opoio afora th dikh sas apoch kai endexomenws kai toys akroates, thleqeates h anagnwstes stoys opoioys apeyqyneste, kai na sxoliasw egw epi toy sxolioy, to briskw toylaxiston adokimo. Den qa to kanw.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta th xqesinh ejelijh, mhpws meleta pleon h kybernhsh to qema ths epistrateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den yparxei tetoio qema.

KORAH: Qa hqela na epanelqw ligo sthn prwth apanthsh poy mas dwsate. Mas eipate oti edwse yposxeseis h ypoyrgos gia meiwsh toy ariqmoy twn maqhtwn ana tajh. Ayto den einai para poly aoristo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti symfwnhqhkan amoibaia kai apo tis dyo pleyres -oysiastika ola htan aithmata daskalwn kai kaqhghtwn- ta sygkekrimena ayta qemata.

KORAH: Koitajte, amoibaia... Oi daskaloi lene alla. Anaferqhkate epishs sthn epimorfwsh twn ekpaideytikwn, oti qa doqoyn 4 dis. Omws oi ekpaideytikoi, parallhla zhtane na einai ethsia ayth h epimorfwsh kai ayto to diasthma na apallagoyn apo ta didaktika toys kaqhkonta. Se ayto, ti apanthse h ypoyrgos; Den exoyme kapoia enhmerwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti enas daskalos -ean den me apata h mnhmh moy, milame gia peripoy 2.000 daskaloys se olh thn Ellada- qa mporei na ajiopoihsei mia ypotrofia ths tajews twn 20.000 eyrw, wste se ena xrono na mporesei na parakoloyqhsei thn ypotrofia kai eji mhnes meta na exei ypobalei to apotelesma toy ergoy toy, einai kati to opoio einai ena shmantiko kainoyrgio stoixeio sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs. Sto pws dhladh ofeilei mia sobarh politeia na antimetwpizei toys daskaloys, toylaxiston ekeinoys oi opoioi qa qelhsoyn na ajiopoihsoyn aytes tis ypotrofies gia thn aytobeltiwsh toys kai kata synepeia gia th beltiwsh ths parexomenhs apo toys idioys ekpaideysh stoys maqhtes. Ara, loipon, exoyme na kanoyme me ena qema, to opoio qijate, para poly shmantiko. Einai ena qema to opoio hqelan kai qeloyn kai oi daskaloi kai fysika kai ayth h kybernhsh poy entassetai sto sxediasmo twn xrhmatwn  giati ekei einai epilejimh dapanh, mporoyme na paroyme dhladh ta xrhmata apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai na ta diaqesoyme ekei- toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias gi` ayth th doyleia. Den yparxei kamia diafwnia sto qema. Twra, sto erwthma poy moy qesate, ean qa einai ena xrono ektos maqhmatwn h oxi, eilikrinws den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw. Den to gnwrizw. Mporw na enhmerwqw omws kai na sas pw.

KORAH: Den moy dwsate xronodiagramma gia th meiwsh toy ariqmoy twn maqhtwn ana tajh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia ayto poy lete, den sas edwsa. Opws einai megalh alhqeia oti epi 21 xronia eixame akribws toys idioys ariqmoys kai molis perysi, me apofash ayths ths kybernhshs, meiwqhkan oi ariqmoi. Qelw na pw, dhladh, oti otan mia kybernhsh erxetai kai meiwnei ton ariqmo twn maqhtwn stis aiqoyses, apo 35 se 30 kai apo 30 se 25, enw epi 21 synapta eth den eixe ginei kamia meiwsh. O stoxos einai na meiwqoyn akomh perissotero. Omws emeis exoyme mia megalh diafora me opoion prohgoymeno: To kaname prajh. Deijame sthn prajh oti to ennooyme ayto. Efoson diamorfwnoyme tis synqhkes ekeines poy qa epitrecoyn na einai kai ligotera apo 25 paidia, 22 h 20 paidia se kaqe aiqoysa kai akomh ligotera endexomenws, na eiste bebaioi oti ayto qa ginei. Allwste exete thn apodeijh pia oti ayth h kybernhsh ayto poy eixe pei kai se ayto to kommati, to ekane prajh.

KORAH: Afoy loipon h kybernhsh ektima oti ta edwse ola, edwse arketa en pash periptwsei, giati den ta eixe dwsei enamisi mhna prin kai oi daskaloi htan stoys dromoys kai ta sxoleia kleista; Dioti oi katalhceis fqanoyn tis 530.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei milhsei gia to yp` ariqmon ena basiko aithma twn daskalwn, dhladh thn ayjhsh kata 50% toy misqoy twn prwtodioristwn. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero gi` ayto. Gia ta ypoloipa qemata gnwrizete oti oloklhrwqhke h diadikasia gia to D'KPS. Molis thn perasmenh ebdomada eixame sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio thn apofash oloy toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, gia th diaqesh twn kondyliwn. Hlqa enwpion sas kai sas edwsa mia lista me dapanes apo to parelqon ews shmera kai probleceis gia to mellon, poly perissoteres dapanes gia thn paideia, apo to D'KPS. Moy dinete thn aformh na pw mia koybenta mono gia to qema twn ypo katalhch sxoleiwn, ta opoia opws anaferate, einai 600. Gnwrizw oti synolika o ariqmos twn sxoleiwn anerxetai stis 17.000 peripoy, symperilambanomenwn kai twn dhmotikwn. Afairwntas ta dhmotika, den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw ton akribh ariqmo twn sxoleiwn ths Deyterobaqmias Ekpaideyshs, alla mporei na ypologisei kapoios oti anerxetai se kapoies xiliades kai isws kai panw apo th dekada. Qa hqela na parakalesw kai toys maqhtes poy katalambanoyn ta sxoleia toys, na skefqoyn oti qa prepei na exoyn kai aytoi kai oi symmaqhtes toys poy den mporoyn na mpoyn stis aiqoyses, to idio dikaiwma sthn prosbash sthn ekpaideysh. Giati antilambaneste, oti otan se xiliades sxoleia synexizontai ta maqhmata kanonika kai kapoies ekatontades sxoleia den kanoyn maqhmata, aytoi oi maqhtes poy den mporoyn na kanoyn maqhmata, giati einai ypo katalhch to ktirio toy sxoleioy toys, menoyn pisw se sxesh me toys ypoloipoys. Kai menoyn pisw se krisimes periodoys, giati poly apo aytoys efetos qa dwsoyn ejetaseis gia ta Panepisthmia. Einai dhladh mia apofash poy kaqorizei se kapoio baqmo th zwh toys. Ayto einai mia paraklhsh pros toys elaxistoys ekeinoys oi opoioi katalambanoyn sxoleia kai den epitrepoyn stoys symmaqhtes toys h stoys kaqhghtes poy qeloyn na didajoyn, na mpoyn stis aiqoyses.

KAKALHS: Eixate milhsei kai sto parelqon gia ``elaxistoys kai meiochfies'', alla sas eixe diaceysei h pragmatikothta kai poly fobamai oti to idio qa ginei kai twra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati to fobaste; Eseis qa prepei na xaireste ean me diaceydei h pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Nai, to fobamai htan entos eisagwgikwn profanws. Alla h erwthsh einai h ejhs: Etsi, dhladh, diabase h kybernhsh to mhnyma twn eklogwn; Na synexisei dhladh thn adiallakth stash ths apenanti stoys ekpaideytikoys, sthn paideia, stoys apergoys kai stoys eyriskomenoys se agwnistikes kinhtopoihseis maqhtes; Pisteyei dhladh oti o kosmos edwse laikh entolh me thn chfo toy, na proxwrhsei h kybernhsh se mia adiallakth stash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den ermhneyei etsi h kybernhsh ta qemata.

KAKALHS: Poia akribws metarryqmish qa proxwrhsei h kybernhsh sthn Paideia, exontas apenanti ths toys ekpaideytikoys; Mhpws qelei dhladh na ypobaqmisei parapera th dhmosia Paideia gia na prowqhsei thn idiwtikopoihsh ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sebomai thn apoch, paroti einai meiochfikh sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, oti einai ypobaqmish ths dhmosias Paideias to na prospaqeis na enisxyseis tis diadikasies ajiologhshs, opws kanoyn ola ta sobara panepisthmia se olo ton kosmo. Prokeitai gia mia apoch me thn opoia diafwnoyn -eimai bebaios gi` ayto- oi pleiochfies twn kaqhghtwn kai twn foithtwn. Molis prosfata, eixame mia seira ekatontadwn kaqhghtwn, oi opoioi synypegracan keimeno, yioqetwntas thn apoch oti prepei na proxwrhsoyn oi metarryqmiseis sthn anwtath ekpaideysh.

KAKALHS: Htan mia meiochfia, omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan mia seira ekatontadwn kaqhghtwn. Den gnwrizw poses alles ekatontades kaqhghtes chfisan, ypegracan chfisma enantion aytwn twn metarryqmisewn, enantion ths ajiologhshs twn panepisthmiwn, enantion ths allaghs sto arqro 16 k.o.k.

KAKALHS: Aytoi poy aphrghsan to kalokairi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O dialogos einai dhmosios, einai anoiktos. Proserxontai sto dhmosio dialogo osoi pragmatika endiaferontai gia thn Paideia kai epiqymoyn na yparjei beltiwsh ths. Eixa thn eykairia dyo fores -kai qa to epanalabw kai mia trith shmera- na dhlwsw oti foithtikes paratajeis oi opoies kata ta loipa ejegeirontai stoys dromoys milwntas yper ths anabaqmishs ths Paideias, den qelhsan -gia na mhn xrhsimopoihsw kapoia allh ekfrash- na pane sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn kai na apeyqynqoyn stoys boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn, dinontas tis protaseis toys. Apekroysan h apajiwsan na apanthsoyn sthn protash twn boyleytwn na akoysoyn kai tis dikes toys qeseis.

SIDERHS: Peste mas kai kati paraskhniako. H k. Giannakoy, gia prwth fora, emfanisthke entelws diaforetikh apo pleyras yfoys. Ths dwsate maqhmata epikoinwnias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den milw pote paraskhniaka.

SIDERHS: Eixame meiwsh twn ependysewn -diabazw- apo thn yphresia toy OHE gia thn anaptyjh. To 2005 oi ependyseis meiwqhkan se 607 ekat. dolaria apo 2,1 disekatommyria to 2004 kai 1,27 dis to 2003. Apotyxia ths oikonomikhs sas politikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw proxeira ta stoixeia poy anaferate gia tis ependyseis. Qa ta anazhthsw apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai qa sas ta diabasw ola.

SIDERHS: Na to kanete, giati prin kairo, ean den me apata h mnhmh moy, mas eixate ferei edw stoixeia oti ayjhqhkan oi ependyseis, kata th diarkeia ths dikhs sas qhteias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tote exw dyo logoys gia na to kanw.

POYLIDOY: Sthn Kypro rwthqhke h kypriakh kybernhsh toy ti qa prajei ean piestei na yperbei thn kokkinh grammh poy exei qesei sthn diapragmateysh ths epi ths finlandikhs protashs kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Lilhkas apanthse oti den mas fobizei h monajia. Swsta dieblece monajia k. Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei erwthqei h k. Mpakogiannh -epeidh grafthkan diafora tis teleytaies hmeres- kai exei dwsei apanthsh. Qa dwsw kai egw mia akomh apanthsh gia th syxnothta kai thn oysia ths synergasias poy yparxei metajy twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn kai fysika metajy twn dyo xwrwn mas, metajy twn kybernhsewn Elladas kai Kyproy. Syxnothta kai praktikh h opoia diaceydei kaqe allh skech h yponoia h ypainigmo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Molis prohgoymenws, otan rwthqhkate apo synadelfo, eipate oti se o,ti afora to basiko aithma, basiko kata th dikh moy ermhneia, dhladh thn ayjhsh toy misqoy toy prwtodioristoy, eipate oti den exw na pw tipota peri aytoy. Na ermhneysw oti dhladh sthn oysia den afhnete kanena periqwrio diapragmateyshs apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs oti mporei na ginei ypoxwrhsh sto shmeio ayto; Kai na thn kanw pio sygkekrimenh: Den yparxei periptwsh sto basiko toys aithma na mporei na doqei aytos o misqos se diasthma dyo-triwn etwn. To exete apokleisei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anefera kai prohgoymenws oti egw den kanw oyte sxolio, oyte ermhneies, oyte sxolia epi twn sxoliwn h twn ermhneiwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den ekana kanena sxolio. Lew ...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dhmosiografoi eiste...

PALAIOLOGOS: Na thn kanw alliws thn erwthsh. Sto aithma twn daskalwn gia na doqoyn 1400 eyrw ston prwtodioristo se orizonta dyo h triwn etwn, to apokleiete; To aporriptete ws aithma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw gia thn ayjhsh, peripoy kata 50% toy misqoy toy prwtodioristoy daskaloy, to exw pei.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh milhsate prohgoymenws gia ypobaqmish ths dhmosias Paideias k.t.l., qa symfwnhsete -kai na mhn symfwnhsete den exei shmasia- einai gegonos oti enamish mhna twra poy einai kleista ta sxoleia ypobaqmizetai h ekpaideysh twn paidiwn poy phgainoyn sta dhmotika sxoleia. Stis poses ebdomades h kybernhsh qa kanei kati gia na anoijoyn kai na arxisoyn ta maqhmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Molis prohgoymenws edwsa mia analytikh apanthsh gia toys kindynoys kai toys foboys poy yparxoyn. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

LEONTITSH: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean telika eidate to binteo me ton k. Nikolopoylo pws antidroyse sthn omilia toy k. Foyra h ean maqate ti akribws eipe. Poia einai h apoch sas kai an qa synanthqei o k. Nikolopoylos me ton Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To prwto, moy diefyge. Oson afora to deytero, apeyqynqeite ston Grammatea.

SIDERHS: Krima, qa mporoysate na eishghqeite na paei sto Eqniko Qeatro.

KAKALHS: Qewrei h kybernhsh qemith thn parembash toy amerikanoy presbh na epiballei sth DEH thn amerikanikh etaireia CONTOUR GLOBAL gia business sta Balkania;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati ypotimate to dioikhtiko symboylio ths DEH, sto opoio, malista -apo o,ti eida- kai syndikalistes apo sxedon oles tis paratajeis, apofasisan omofwna gi` ayth th synergasia. Den fantazomai na mas xrewnete oti ston Proedro ths GSEE h se syndikalistes poy exoyn gnwsth kommatikh drash me thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, ``emeis'' toys perasame grammh, giati to D.S. leitoyrgei me sygkekrimenoys kanones.

KAKALHS: Oxi, xrewnw thn paroysia kybernhtikwn stelexwn sto geyma toy amerikanoy presbh, poy shmainei oti exei thn yposthrijh kai ths kybernhshs ayth h kinhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme polemikes sxeseis me kapoia xwra kai den to hjera;

KAKALHS: Oxi, th stash ths kybernhshs sth sygkekrimenh energeia, hqela na jerw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mia erwthsh oxi sto qema ths CONTOUR, alla toy k. Nikolopoyloy. Ean akoysa kala, den to eidate; Den eidate eseis thn eikona toy k. Nikolopoyloy na eirwneyetai ton k. Foyra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa se erwthsh synadelfoy sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den akoysa thn apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa th deite sta praktika.

PALAIOLOGOS: Twra, den sas ermhneyw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa th deite sta praktika.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pisteyete oti synadei me thn symperifora ekproswpoy toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

LEONTITSH: O k. Papagewrgopoylos, xqes, sthn omilia toy sto eklogiko kentro, yposthrije metajy allwn oti ftaiei kai h kentrikh ejoysia poy o idios den katafere na perasei ston prwto gyro apo thn perasmenh Kyriakh. Pws to sxoliazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti exei dhlwsei. Sebomai th maxh poy dinetai stis ekloges gia thn topikh Aytodioikhsh, th maxh gia toys dhmoys kai tis nomarxies. Sebomai oloys toys ypochfioys, to ergo toys, thn agaph gia thn polh toys. Ws ek toytoy, den parembainw.

GKOYTZANHS: Sto qema ths Paideias qa sas qymisw oti oi wres poy exoyn xaqei kai oi ebdomades, den anaplhrwnontai kai oti to idio diasthma ta paidia twn idiwtikwn sxoleiwn didaskontai kanonika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixa molis prin thn eykairia na sas pw, xwris na moy to qymisete, oti den miloyme mono gia idiwtika sxoleia. Miloyme gia mia seira pollwn dhmosiwn sxoleiwn sta opoia ginetai kanonika maqhma se olh thn Ellada. Eixa thn eykairia na sas pw oti dystyxws maqhtes poy xanoyn maqhmata sta sxoleia poy einai se katalhch kai opoy oi daskaloi einai se apergia, menoyn pisw se sxesh me toys alloys symmaqhtes toys. Gi` ayto kai epanelaba qerma thn paraklhsh kai pros toys daskaloys na epistrecoyn, alla kai pros toys oligoys ekeinoys maqhtes gymnasiwn h lykeiwn poy exoyn katalabei mia seira ekatontadwn -opws anaferqhke apo synadelfo sas prohgoymenws- gymnasiwn h lykeiwn ths xwras, na syllogistoyn oti ayto dhmioyrgei problhma stoys alloys symmaqhtes toys kai fysika kai stoys idioys, se sxesh me ola ta ypoloipa sxoleia. Oxi mono ta idiwtika, alla kai ta dhmosia, ta opoia leitoyrgoyn.

KAKALHS: To loyketo to bazei h kybernhsh, exoyn apanthsei oi katalhcies maqhtes...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na pw oti egw den eida kapoio kybernhtiko stelexos na bazei loyketo se kapoio sxoleio.

GKOYTZANHS: Kybernhsh eklegoyme kaqe tessera xronia, den eklegoyme toys daskaloys. H kybernhsh ofeilei na dwsei kapoia lysh. Ayto einai to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalws.

KAKALHS: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti miso ekatommyrio chfoforoi ths Neas Dhmokratias to 2004 den epelejan toys galazioys syndyasmoys stis nomarxiakes ekloges apo thn prwth Kyriakh twn dhmotikwn eklogwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apantw sthn erwthsh, giati exoyme topoqethqei hdh polles fores gia to pws antimetwpizoyme emeis to qema twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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