Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-10-05

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 5 Oktwbrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 33523018

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 5 Oktwbrioy 2006

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Enas akomh boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias, o k. Salagkoydhs, meta apo alloys polloys boyleytes, etaxqh yper toy epidomatos qermanshs. Qa to skefteite;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei epi toy qematos.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H ypochfia ypernomarxhs Gkioyl Karaxasan, feretai na ejomoiwse th moysoylmanikh meionothta me toys Pontioys, toys Sarakatsanoys kai toys Rom. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: To erwthma den einai ti leei h k. Karaxasan, poy sas ypenqymizw oti einai stelexos toy PASOK kai ypochfia ypernomarxhs. To erwthma einai, an yioqetei to PASOK kai o k. Papandreoy, osa eipe h k. Karaxasan. An yioqetei, dhladh, oti oi Pontioi einai meionothta, oti oi Sarakatsanoi einai meionothta.

SIDERHS: Epeidh einai dedomeno oti ektos apo thn k. Karaxasan, polla stelexh kai boyleytes dikoi sas opws kai toy Synaspismoy, exoyn pei ta idia kata kairoys, exete synaisqhsh oti aytoi oi anqrwpoi skeptontai diaforetika kai anti na polwnomaste mazi toys, prepei na apodexqoyme kapoia apo ayta poy pisteyoyn, prokeimenoy na toys enswmatwsoyme kai na mh toys steiloyme sthn agkalia toy toyrkikoy projeneioy;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw kanenan allon poy na exei pei kati tetoio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes, thn idia wra poy o Prwqypoyrgos apo to bhma ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, apantoyse oristika arnhtika sta aithmata twn daskalwn, enas prwhn ypoyrgos toy kommatos kai boyleyths shmera, o k. Panos Panagiwtopoylos, yposthrize oti h kybernhsh qa eprepe na exei paei se dialogo me toys daskaloys, kaqws epishs, diafwnhse me thn apoch ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias k. Giannakoy, peri ``pronomioyxwn daskalwn'', legontas pws oi daskaloi den einai pronomioyxoi. Epeidh to qewrw poly shmantiko na to epishmainei ayto ena stelexos ths kybernhtikhs paratajhs, qelw na jerw ean h kybernhsh epimenei sthn idia grammh arnhshs dialogoy me toys daskaloys kai ti protiqetai na kanei;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas ypenqymisw oti h kybernhsh, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos xqes sthn poly jekaqarh kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh topoqethsh toy exei syzhthsei me toys daskaloys gia diasthma perissotero toy enos xronoy.

Qa hqela, de, me ayth thn eykairia na ypenqymisw orismena pragmata: Amfisbhtoyn oi syndikalistes twn daskalwn kai orismenoi alloi ta stoixeia. Amfisbhtoyn ta noymera. Amfisbhtoyn ta noymera poy oi idioi paraqetoyn kai ejakoloyqoyn na zhtoyn, ypenqymizw, synexws thn ayjhsh toy misqoy toy neodiorizomenoy daskaloy apo 950 se 1400 eyrw to mhna, poy antistoixei, opws lene, sto poso poy xreiazetai mia tetramelhs oikogeneia gia na zhsei. Merikes epishmanseis einai aparaithtes:

Prwton: Prokeitai, me apla maqhmatika, gia mia ayjhsh oxi 45 tois ekato, ekana laqos proxqes poy sas eipa ayto to pososto, alla 47,3 tois ekato. Kaneis allos Ellhnas poliths den exei dianohqei na zhthsei tetoia ayjhsh. Epanalambanw: 47,3 tois ekato!

Deyteron: Milane gia tetramelh oikogeneia. Ma, poios neodiorizomenos daskalos exei tetramelh oikogeneia; Oi mellontikoi daskaloi, eiserxontai, opws oloi gnwrizoyme, sta Paidagwgika Tmhmata sta 18 toys xronia kai apofoitoyn sta 22 toys h sta 23. Eimai bebaios oti jerete oloi sas oti h anamonh gia to diorismo newn daskalwn einai ashmanth, mhdenikh. Plhroforiaka sas lew oti twra exoyn anoijei oi katalogoi gia proslhch oswn teleiwsan tis spoydes toys kai orkisthkan ton Ioylio. Eiserxontai, loipon sth dhmosia yphresia oi daskaloi, se hlikia 23 h 24 etwn, ean einai arrenes, prokeimenoy na kanoyn sto metajy kai th stratiwtikh toys qhteia. Poios Ellhnas exei se ayth thn hlikia tetramelh oikogeneia;

Triton: H ayjhsh toy 47,3%, poy proteinoyn oi syndikalistes gia toys prwtodiorizomenoys daskaloys, qa symparasyrei opws einai fysiko, ola ta ypoloipa klimakia toy idioy kladoy, twn daskalwn dhladh, mexri th symplhrwsh twn 35 etwn yphresias, opote kai syntajiodotoyntai basei toy nomoy. Oloi oi Ellhnes katalabainoyn ti shmainoyn aytes oi yperogkes apaithseis gia ta dhmosia oikonomika.

KAKALHS: Kontra sth dikh sas epixeirhmatologia, poy molis anaptyjate kai epanalabate...

ANTWNAROS: Den einai epixeirhmatologia, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw. Einai stoixeia. Egw sas edwsa noymera.

BLAXOS: H propaganda.

ANTWNAROS: Stoixeia sas pareqesa.

KAKALHS: Den sas adikei h lejh ``epixeirhmatologia''. Qa mporoysa na thn pw kai egw propaganda giati ayto einai. To eipa kapws komca, alla afoy to qelete etsi, kontra sth dikh sas propaganda, loipon, oti oi alloi Ellhnes polites den qa eblepan me katanohsh mia ayjhsh toy 47%, ena prosfato gkalop, edeije oti to 75% twn Ellhnwn politwn, oxi mono den symmerizontai th dikh sas propaganda, alla leei oti h kybernhsh prepei na ypoxwrhsei. Ayto to xastoyki apo to gkalop, to akoysate sto Megaro Majimoy;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw, oti yparxei mia omada ergazomenwn, poy zhtaei 47,3 tois ekato ayjhsh kai ayto pera apo thn eisodhmatikh politikh ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Ayto to eixate pei kai proxqes kai to akoysan oi Ellhnes polites kai to 75% eipan oti einai dikaia ta aithmata twn daskalwn. Exete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto to gkalop;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Otan sas akoysa gia prwth fora na anaferete ayto to 47%, qewrhsa oti einai laqos sas. Blepw oti to epanalambanete, ara to kanete eskemmena. Qelw loipon na sas pw, oti einai ontws megalo to pososto 47%, me mia proypoqesh: Oti o misqos basei toy opoioy zhtas to 47% ayjhsh, den einai misqos peinas. Kai 900 eyrw gia mia oikogeneia, einai misqos peinas. Exete dei eseis polloys oikogeneiarxes na zoyn ajioprepws me 900 eyrw;

ANTWNAROS: Ekana mia synolikh topoqethsh. Apomonwsate ena tmhma ths ektenoys topoqethshs thn opoia ekana. Qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti oi ptyxioyxoi poy eiserxontai sthn agora ergasias ston idiwtiko tomea pairnoyn ws misqo ena poso poy einai arketa xamhlotero apo to misqo eisodoy twn neodiorizomenwn daskalwn.

BLAXOS: San Antipoliteysh, omws, o k. Karamanlhs  tote den hsastan bebaia sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, den eixate qesh- elege oti arneitai thn isopedwsh pros ta katw. Kati to opoio eseis twra mas to anatrepete. Mas lete, dhladh ``epeidh peinane kai alloi polites, e, einai swsto na peinane kai aytoi''.

ANTWNAROS: Mporeite me laikistikes proseggiseis na epizhthsete na peite ayto poy qelete. Egw omws den eipa ayto poy molis moy apodwsate.

BLAXOS: Me laikistikes. Giati; Kako einai na eimai laikisths; Den me prosbalei ayto. Ean epixeireite na me prosbalete, sas lew oti den me prosbalete.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai proqesh moy na sas prosbalw. Alla profanws paranoeite...

BLAXOS: Dioti einai prosbolh na qewroyme oti kapoios me 900 eyrw zei ajioprepws. Ayto einai prosbolh.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio sas lew, einai oti oi perissoteroi Ellhnes, osoi den ergazontai dhladh sto dhmosio (sto dhmosio apasxoleitai sygkekrimenos ariqmos Ellhnwn ergazomenwn) exoyn misqoys oi opoioi einai xamhloteroi. Ayto sas eipa. Mia aplh dieykrinish ekana.

GKOYTZANHS: Eseis kyrie Ekproswpe kai h oikogeneia sas qa zoysate me 1200 eyrw poy einai o misqos enos daskaloy 35 etwn; H oi perissoteroi ypoyrgoi poy miloyn etsi, qa zoysan me 1200 eyrw to mhna;

ANTWNAROS: Se erwthmata proswpikoy xarakthra den prokeitai na sas apanthsw. H koinwnia, exei mia sygkekrimenh domh, kai edw den prokeitai na kanoyme mia genikh syzhthsh. Tipote den einai teleio. H shmerinh kybernhsh exei qesei ws stoxo ths th beltiwsh ths oikonomias, h opoia, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos  kai ayto apodeiknyetai me sygkekrimena stoixeia - beltiwnetai synexws, wste oloi oi Ellhnes na apolaysoyn ta ofelh apo ayth th beltiwsh ths oikonomias.

MPALHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean antilambanetai h kybernhsh, oti ta sxoleia qa anoijoyn mono gia na pame na chfisoyme stis dhmotikes ekloges. Kai na sas pw epishs, oti xqes h Didaskalikh Omospondia, synanthqhke me ton k. Papandreoy. Dhladh, h Didaskalikh Omospondia exei dei oloys toys politikoys arxhgoys. Mporeite na moy peite, gia poio logo epimenei o Prwqypoyrgos na mh blepei toys daskaloys;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos, ws epikefalhs ths kybernhshs, exei anaqesei thn armodiothta gia ta qemata Paideias sthn Ypoyrgo k. Giannakoy, h opoia mazi me toys yfypoyrgoys toy idioy ypoyrgeioy, briskontai se dialogo kai einai etoimoi na syzhthsoyn opoiadhpote stigmh me toys ekproswpoys toy ekpaideytikoy kosmoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh moy einai synexeia ths dikhs sas apanthshs: Toylaxiston apo thn pleyra toys oi daskaloi, yposthrizoyn oti exoyn na doyn thn k. Giannakoy, na synanthqoyn mazi ths, apo ton perasmeno Martio. Oti sthn oysia exei apanthsei arnhtika sto aithma toys ayto, gia mia synanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den eiste poly kala plhroforhmenos, tolmw na pw.

POYLIDOY: O Proedros toy Synaspismoy, o k. Alabanos, exei qesei epikairh erwthsh gia ta qemata twn daskalwn ston Prwqypoyrgo, h opoia prokeitai na syzhthqei ayrio sth Boylh. Hqela na rwthsw, ean qa parastei o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh qa apanthqei me th synhqh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ena lepto: O Prwqypoyrgos, arnhqhke na dei toys daskaloys. Arneitai na parastei sth Boylh gia to qema twn daskalwn se epikairh erwthsh. To qema ths koinwnikhs eirhnhs, qewrei h kybernhsh oti prowqeitai me tetoies praktikes;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh syzhta synexws me oloys toys endiaferomenoys.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh antimetwpizei to endexomeno na periorisei ton ariqmo twn dosewn toy epidomatos, apo eji ejamhniaies, se tesseris h treis ejamhniaies.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei kanei sygkekrimenh anaggelia, h opoia ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh xqes, bghkan plhrofories oti yphrje eishghsh toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy ths kybernhshs (den akoygetai), na doqoyn ta xrhmata stoys daskaloys se treis ejamhniaies doseis. Kat` arxhn, alhqeyei ayth h plhroforia poy metaferqhke;

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw: H kybernhsh exei kanei sygkekrimenh anaggelia, h opoia ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw janarwtaw: Aperrice o Prwqypoyrgos eishghsh oikonomikoy epiteleioy, na doqoyn se treis ejamhniaies doseis;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h anaggelia poy exei kanei h kybernhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara den to diaceydete.

ANTWNAROS: Exei ejantlhqei to qema me thn apanthsh poy edwsa.

KOTTARIDHS: Epeidh, kyrie Ekproswpe, exete pei polles fores kai exete tonisei, oti yparxei mia sygkekrimenh omada ergazomenwn poy zhtaei na yparjei ayjhsh 47,3%, kati poy den dinetai se alloys, epiqymeite na yparjei koinwnikh sygkroysh metajy twn daskalwn kai twn gonewn; Qelete na doqei mia lysh etsi, kaqws h kybernhsh den protiqetai na lysei to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe allo. To mono poy epiqymei h kybernhsh, einai na leitoyrghsoyn jana omala ta sxoleia.

SIDERHS: Poy aposkopei aytos o ejeymenismos ths Toyrkias poy prospaqeite, me to na mhn anakoinwsete thn yperpthsh toy toyrkikoy elikopteroy panw apo to Farmakonhsi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy to sygkekrimeno qema. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

MANH: Anarwthqhkate proxqes kai jana shmera ean qa breqei Ellhnas poliths na symfwnhsei me thn ayjhsh 45% poy zhtoyn oi daskaloi. H apanthsh doqhke sthn kybernhsh apo th dhmoskophsh ths Kapa Research, oti 7 stoys 10 polites apanthsan ``nai'' oi Ellhnes daskaloi einai kakoplhrwmenoi, oxi epeidh exoyn teleiwsei panepisthmiakes spoydes, alla epeidh asxoloyntai me emcyxo yliko, paidia sthn pio krisimh hlikia toys. Qewroyn loipon oti prepei na einai kala ameibomenoi gia na paijoyn kala ayto to rolo. Kai zhtoyn apo thn kybernhsh 7 stoys 10 na ypoxwrhsei kai na toys ikanopoihsei ta aithmata. Ayth h apanthsh den sas ikanopoihse kai jana qetete to erwthma shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw apanthsei. Ejakoloyqei na isxyei h apanthsh oti o sxediasmos ths oikonomikhs politikhs kai oi antoxes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias den epitrepoyn thn paroxh ayjhsewn, paroxwn, poswn, opws qelete peste to, pera apo to epidoma twn 105 eyrw, to opoio, ypenqymizw gia mia akoma fora, oti antistoixei se 12 peripoy toy misqoy toy neodiorizomenoy daskaloy.

GKOYTZANHS: Na sas qymisw kai mia allh desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy yparxei sto programma ths Neas Dhmokratias, oti se oktw me deka to argotero xronia qa exoyme ftasei sto epipedo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs apo thn apoch biotikoy epipedoy, qa exoyme epityxei th sygklish. Me aytoys toys ryqmoys poy phgainete mexri twra, nomizete oti qa to petyxete;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh kataballei oles tis prospaqeies oi opoies xreiazontai kai einai anagkaies prokeimenoy na symmazeytoyn ta aqlia oikonomika ta opoia klhronomhse apo thn kakodiaxeirish twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn. Xairomai poy anagnwrizete oti h kybernhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh exei poly dromo akomh kai profanws proejofleite to apotelesma twn epomenwn eklogwn, wste na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths kai na odhghsei th xwra se ayton akribws to stoxo.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela na moy sxoliasete to gegonos oti shmera syndikalistes twn astynomikwn, twn anqrwpwn poy trwne eniote jylo apo diaforoys diadhlwtes, briskontai mazi me toys diadhlwtes apenanti stoys astynomikoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia thn apofash syndikalistikwn organwn na metexoyn se kinhtopoihseis h syllalhthria sta opoia krinoyn oti qeloyn na metasxoyn. Ayto shmainei allwste h eleyqeria toy syndikalizesqai poy isxyei sth xwra mas.

BLAXOS: Sthn Aqhna brisketai h armodia Epitropos gia ton Antagwnismo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. H kybernhsh brisketai se apologia apenanti ths;

ANTWNAROS: Giati to lete ayto;

BLAXOS: Giati den leitoyrgei o antagwnismos.

ANTWNAROS: H leitoyrgia toy antagwnismoy, opws jerete, einai mia apo tis proteraiothtes ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

BLAXOS: Leitoyrgei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas ypenqymizw oti ayth h kybernhsh einai poy exei enisxysei thn Epitroph Antagwnismoy. Den mporei omws na perimenei kaneis oti se 2,5 xronia poy einai h mexri twra diadromh ayths ths kybernhshs, qa exoyn anastrafei ola osa den eginan 25 xronia. Exoyn ginei polla, sygkekrimena, ajiozhleyta.

BLAXOS: Apanthsh ston k. Daskalopoylo qa dwsete poy milhse gia kartel toy kratoys;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi bebaia.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh blepei toys diadhlwtes ws koynoypia h skoypidia kai exei dwsei entolh na cekazontai me xhmika; Poios analambanei thn eyqynh an kindyneyei h zwh kapoioy diadhlwth h yparjei qyma apo ayth th diatagh poy exei dwsei h kybernhsh gia systhmatikh xrhsh xhmikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Poios xrhsimopoihse ayto ton oro poy molis xrhsimopoihsate;

KAKALHS: To cekazei; Ayto sas enoxlhse h h entolh poy exei dwsei o k. Polydwras;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h astynomia exei apo toys nomoys ths Politeias thn ypoxrewsh na diasfalizei th dhmosia tajh.

SPYRAKH: Dia toy cekasmoy;

KAKALHS: H xrhsh twn xhmikwn einai sygkekrimenh entolh apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs.

SPYRAKH: Pws perigrafetai akribws otan ena ygro wqeitai mesw aerioy pros mia kateyqynsh; Poio einai to rhma;

GKOYTZANHS: Egw den proebleca pws h kybernhsh Karamanlh qa meinei gia treis 4eties;

ANTWNAROS: To katagrafw.

GKOYTZANHS: As afhsoyme toys eklogeis na to apofasisoyn, alla...

ANTWNAROS: Ma se aytoys akribws sthrizomaste kai emeis.

GKOYTZANHS: Mias kai eisaste aisiodojos oti qa meinete gia oktw xronia sth qesh sas.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den milhsa kan gia ton eayto moy. Sthn kybernhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh anaferomoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai h kybernhsh. Einai aisiodojh oti qa meinei gia oktw xronia; Ayto einai kai poly kalo gia ton kosmo, giati shmainei oti mesa se pente xronia poy menoyn gia thn 8etia oi misqoi twn neodiorizomenwn daskalwn kai olwn twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn qa jekinoyn apo 2000 eyrw me antistoixa ola ta alla klimakia. Etsi den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas pw kati ep' aytoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Afoy einai desmeysh sas.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h kybernhsh kataballei oles ekeines tis prospaqeies poy xreiazontai wste na beltiwqoyn ta aqlia oikonomika. Kai mh moy bazete sto stoma logia ta opoia egw den eipa. Anaferqhka sta aqlia oikonomika, etsi akribws to eipa, ta opoia klhrodothse me thn kakodiaxeirish ths h prohgoymenh kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Den isxyei h desmeysh gia th sygklish.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oles oi desmeyseis ths kybernhshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epanadiatypwnw to erwthma moy se sxesh me to qema ths synanthshs twn kaqhghtwn kai anarwtiemai, gia poio logo xreiasthke panw apo misos xronos gia na ginei synanthsh ths k. Giannakoy me toys daskaloys. Ypokryptei ayto endexomenws kapoia allh meqodeysh;

ANTWNAROS: To ypoyrgeio Paideias, htan, einai kai qa einai panta anoikto sto dialogo me oloys toys ekproswpoys toy ekpaideytikoy kosmoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tote pros ti oi dhmosioi xarakthrismoi ths ypoyrgoy Paideias teleytaia; Giati apo th mia milhse gia mia anentimh katastash, afhnw poioys ennoei... .

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn apanthqei ayta. Den prokeitai na epanelqw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Edw omws blepw oti xqes kiolas milhse gia pronomioyxoys. Qelw na pw oti ayth h synanthsh poy egine sto sygkekrimeno xrono me toys daskaloys syndyasthke, qa legame, me kapoies epiqeseis apo thn pleyra ths k. Giannakoy. Tote den mporw na katalabw poia einai h ajia toy dialogoy.

ANTWNAROS: H k. Giannakoy eipe epi lejei, ayto poy sas eipa kai egw sthn arxh ths enhmerwshs me alla logia. Sas diabazw ti eipe h k. Giannakoy: ``Qelw na pw oti enanti twn allwn ergazomenwn oi daskaloi exoyn pleonektikh qesh, otan diorizontai molis teleiwnoyn to panepisthmio amesws''. Ayto einai mia pragmatikothta pera apo kaqe amfisbhthsh. Den mporw na katalabw giati thn amfisbhteite.

GKOYTZANHS: Den to katalabainw ayto. Oi daskaloi mporoyn apla na doylecoyn sta sxoleia. H syntriptikh pleiochfia twn sxoleiwn sthn Ellada einai dhmosia. Ti qa eprepe na kanoyn dhladh...

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den egina antilhptos. Alles omades ergazomenwn den exoyn ayth th dynatothta. Oi daskaloi thn exoyn. Sas eipa oti h ypoyrgos milhse epi sygkekrimenoy qematos gia pleonektikh qesh kai sas anelysa olh moy th skech panw se ayto.

LEONTITSH: Prin otan rwthqhkate gia ta xhmika, thn entolh poy exei dwsei to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs sthn astynomia, pote na ta rixnei h oxi, eipate oti h astynomia kanei to ergo ths. To ergo ths se ayth thn periptwsh einai me to prwto ...

ANTWNAROS: Ekana logo epi lejei gia thn ypoxrewsh na diasfalizei th dhmosia tajh.

LEONTITSH: Nai, h me ena mpoykali nero, opws egine stis foithtikes diadhlwseis, na metatrepei to kentro ths Aqhnas se qalamo aeriwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn epixeirhsiakh drash ths Astynomias.

SIDERHS: O k. Polydwras ypeishlqe dhmosiws sthn epixeirhsiakh drash ths astynomias. Den esteile mia eswterikh entolh na pei stoys astynomikoys ``cekaste toys''. To eipe dhmosia mesw twn dhmosiografwn akribws gia na maqoyn oi ekpaideytikoi ti toys perimenei.

ANTWNAROS: Ara gnwrizete th dhlwsh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy.

KAKALHS: Ayto einai to problhma. Apo poy ws poy o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs dinei entolh na ginei xrhsh twn xhmikwn; Ayto mporei na balei se kindyno th zwh...

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na diabasete olh th dhlwsh. H dhlwsh exei arxh, mesh kai telos.

KAKALHS: Na th diabasw twra: ``Pote maxh swma me swma. Menoyme staqeroi stis qeseis mas oso megalyterh akinhsia epitrepetai kai ean epixeirhqei na spasei o fragmos, tote na ginei xrhsh xhmikwn''. Apo pote ftanei sto shmeio o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs na dinei entolh gia xrhsh xhmikwn...

ANTWNAROS: Qelw na pisteyw oti ws empeiros politikos syntakths gnwrizete oti o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs exei thn politikh eyqynh, exei thn eyqynh twn Swmatwn Asfaleias, ths Astynomias, toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos. Einai sto diko toy kyklo armodiothtas.

KAKALHS: Na dinei entolh gia xrhsimopoihsh dolofonikwn xhmikwn...

GKOYTZANHS: Me ayta kai me ayta, ta sxoleia einai kleista hdh gia trith ebdomada kai isws synexistei. Emeis oi goneis poy den exoyme poy na pame ta paidia mas apo poion qa anazhthsoyme eyqynes; Apo thn kybernhsh h apo kapoion allo;

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti exete krish kai katalhgete se ekeina ta symperasmata, sta opoia asfalws prepei na katalhjete ws gonios.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apanthsate prohgoymenws oti den exete na apanthsete tipota ston k. Daskalopoylo. Mono poy den eipwqhke ti eipe o k. Daskalopoylos. Milhse gia kartel toy kratoys.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den exw kanena sxolio gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Daskalopoyloy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto einai to sxolio sas se sxesh me osa eipe o k. Daskalopoylos; Katalogise eyqynes sthn oysia, gia dhmioyrgia kartel sto idio to kratos.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na kanw safesterh dhlwsh apo ayta poy sas eipa.

KAKALHS: Meta ton k. Soyflia poy proteine thn katarghsh twn syndikalistikwn organwsewn sto Dhmosio, mia epitroph sofwn poy exei sygkrothqei me entolh toy k. Alogoskoyfh proteinei poinikopoihsh twn diadhlwsewn kai katarghsh twn apergiwn sto dhmosio. Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti diarkws apo ton kybernhtiko xwro proerxontai idees poy exoyn stoxo thn katarghsh twn dhmokratikwn eleyqeriwn kai thn katarghsh twn koinwnikwn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den exw ypoch moy kanena tetoio epishmo keimeno to opoio na exei dhmosieyqei. Deyteron, den exw ypoch moy thn akribh synqesh ths epitrophs sthn opoia anafereste.

BLAXOS: Eiste Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs. Den diabazete efhmerides; Xqes eixe treis selides to ``BHMA'' me fwtografies toys...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den jerw kanena epishmo keimeno san kai ayto poy anefere o k. Kakalhs.

BLAXOS: Ma h epitroph ayth epishmws exei oristei apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Mporeite na mas peite toylaxiston gi' ayth thn epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Einai eidiko qema toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston k. Alogoskoyfh.

BLAXOS: Den einai melos ths kybernhshs o k. Alogoskoyfhs; Den ton rwthsate;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

MELIGKWNHS: Exete milhsei gia ta dedomena ths ellhnikhs oikonomias poy den epitrepoyn oyte th xorhghsh toy epidomatos qermanshs, oyte th xorhghsh twn ayjhsewn poy zhtoyn oi daskaloi.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti exei apanthqei to qema gia to epidoma qermanshs. Den exw na pw kati allo.

MELIGKWNHS: Oi foroelafrynseis poy exete kanei se polles epixeirhseis epi twn kerdwn toys den afairoyn kapoia oikonomika apo ta dhmosia oikonomika; Dhladh ola einai qemata...

ANTWNAROS: Qelete na sas apanthsw; Jexnate ta xrhmata poy qa katablhqoyn gia to LAFKA; Jexnate thn ayjhsh toy EKAS; Jexnate thn ayjhsh twn syntajewn toy OGA;

Sas eyxaristw.

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