Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-05-17

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Aqhna, 17 Maioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Qa sas kanw dyo anakoinwseis:

@ H prwth anakoinwsh afora tis qetikes ejelijeis sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Ta apotelesmata ths oikonomikhs politikhs mas einai apta kai metrhsima, para tis dysmeneis dieqneis ejelijeis, oson afora to petrelaio kai thn oikonomikh anaptyjh sthn eyrwzwnh. Ta apotelesmata ayta ofeilontai sthn efarmogh enos oloklhrwmenoy metarryqmistikoy programmatos. Me apofasistikothta kai meqodikothta antimetwpizoyme ta problhmata poy klhrodothse sth xwra to parelqon. Sygkekrimena:

To elleimma fetos qa meiwqei gia prwth fora meta apo polla xronia katw apo to 3% toy Akaqaristoy Egxwrioy Proiontos. To 2005, meiwqhke apo to 6,9% sto 4,5% toy AEP kai to 2006 qa meiwqei sto 2,6%, dhladh kata 4,3 posostiaies monades synolika sth dietia 2005 - 2006.

O ryqmos anaptyjhs ayjanetai, para th megalh prospaqeia gia meiwsh toy elleimmatos. To prwto trimhno toy 2006 eftase to 4%, apo 3,4% poy htan sto prwto trimhno toy 2005.

H anergia meiwqhke apo to 11,3% to prwto trimhno toy 2004, sto 9,7% to teleytaio trimhno toy 2005.

H antagwnistikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias anebhke to 2006 sthn 42h qesh ths katatajhs twn xwrwn poy kanei to elbetiko institoyto IMD apo thn 50h qesh poy htan to 2005.

Parallhla, enisxyoyme toys koinwnika asqenesteroys me thn ayjhsh toy aforologhtoy orioy, thn katarghsh toy LAFKA, thn ayjhsh toy EKAS kai twn syntajewn toy OGA me ryqmo yperdiplasio toy plhqwrismoy.

Dwsame nea dynamikh sthn anaptyjh me draseis kai metarryqmiseis poy tonwnoyn thn epixeirhmatikothta. O ependytikos nomos exei dwsei mia nea pnoh stis ependyseis kai idiaitera sthn perifereia poy thn exei perissotero anagkh. H forologikh metarryqmish edwse kinhtra gia nees ependyseis. Oi Symprajeis Dhmosioy kai Idiwtikoy Tomea metasxhmatizoyn ton tropo dhmioyrgias ypodomwn kai paroxhs dhmosiwn yphresiwn, dinontas toy mia entelws nea diastash.

H Ellada kineitai mprosta me aisiodojia. Oi oikonomikoi deiktes to epibebaiwnoyn:

Ejagwges: H ajia twn ejagwgwn ayjhqhke kata 21,2% to prwto dimhno toy 2006 se sxesh me to antistoixo diasthma toy 2005 kai o ychlos ryqmos ayjhshs toys synexisthke kai ton Martio, kata 21,7%. Parallhla, h ajia twn eisagwgwn meiwqhke kata 2,8% ton Martio.

Biomhxanikh paragwgh: H paragwgh twn metapoihtikwn biomhxaniwn ayjhqhke kata 2,9% ton Martio toy 2006 kai kata 0,8% sto prwto trimhno toy 2006.

Ependyseis: Oi synolikes ependyseis sthn oikonomia ayjhqhkan kata 5,3% to prwto trimhno toy 2006, enw eixan meiwqei kata 0,7% to prwto trimhno toy 2005.

Esoda Dhmosioy: Ayjhqhkan kata 12% to prwto tetramhno toy 2006.

Oikodomikh drasthriothta: H idiwtikh oikodomikh drasthriothta ayjhqhke kata 19,4% kai h synolikh oikodomikh drasthriothta kata 20,4% sto idio diasthma. Sto prwto dimhno toy etoys, ta antistoixa pososta ayjhshs htan 3,9% kai 5,1%.

@ H kybernhsh xairetizei th desmeysh poy anelaban oi ypeyqynoi toy Moyseioy J. Paul Getty na eishghqoyn sto dioikhtiko symboylio toy idrymatos thn epistrofh meroys twn arxaiothtwn poy diekdikei h ellhnikh pleyra sto prosexes mellon. Oi syzhthseis briskontai se ejelijh kai qa oristoyn ekproswpoi twn dyo pleyrwn poy qa anazhthsoyn thn epilysh twn ekkremothtwn toys epomenoys dyo me treis mhnes, dhladh se poly sygkekrimeno xroniko plaisio. H symfwnia ayth dinei oristikh lysh se ena qema poy ekkremoyse edw kai polla xronia xwris na diafainetai epilysh toy. H ikanopoihsh twn aithmatwn ths Ellados qa kanei dynath mia gonimh synergasia me to Moyseio Getty poy qa perilambanei endexomenws makroxronioys daneismoys ergwn texnhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prwton, qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn eklogh toy k. Daskalopoyloy sthn hgesia toy SEB. Deyteron, ayta poy eipate gia thn oikonomia apoteloyn ena eidos apanthshs sta osa eipe o k. Daskalopoylos xqes poy milhse gia dysoiwnes probleceis kai ayto poy eipe oti h anazhthsh ths synaineshs den mporei na apotelei boliko alloqi anabolhs kai aprajias;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia thn eklogh toy neoy dioikhtikoy symboylioy stoys kolpoys enos koinwnikoy forea. H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, kai ayto apodeiknyoyn ta stoixeia poy sas pareqesa molis, apo thn prwth stigmh poy orkisthke, eqese ws mia apo tis koryfaies proteraiothtes ths, th staqeropoihsh ths oikonomias kai thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy afhse pisw ths h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Osa sas eipa molis prin apo ligo, apodeiknyoyn akribws oti oi prospaqeies aytes poy einai prospaqeies olwn twn Ellhnwn, pros ofelos olwn twn Ellhnwn, apodidoyn hdh karpoys.

BLAXOS: Dhmioyrgeitai proeklogiko klima kyrie Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Den blepw tipota tetoio.

BLAXOS: Pame se prowres ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa molis.

KAKALHS: Oi ariqmoi kai oi deiktes poy mas proanaferate, eyhmeroysan kai epi kybernhsews Shmith, alla oi platies laikes mazes kai tote kai twra dystyxoyn. Poios einai o logos poy epanalambanete aytoys toys ariqmoys kai shmera, me dedomeno oti xqes toys akoysame kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti para ta sxolia sas - poy den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta- h beltiwsh twn basikwn stoixeiwn ths oikonomias mas einai pros ofelos olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn. Kai h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn to jerei kai to anagnwrizei.

KAKALHS: Poio einai to montelo twn ergasiakwn sxesewn poy qa epibalei o Prwqypoyrgos se synergasia kai synennohsh, opws eipe, me ton neo Proedro toy SEB, otan o k. Daskalopoylos den epitrepei th leitoyrgia syndikatoy stis epixeirhseis toy;

ANTWNAROS: Thn oikonomikh politikh se oloys toys tomeis th sxediazei, thn kaqorizei, thn apofasizei kai thn efarmozei h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Kanenas allos.

KAKALHS: Allo rwthsa. Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti o k. Daskalopoylos den anagnwrizei th leitoyrgia syndikatwn stis epixeirhseis toy;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw ti ginetai sto eswteriko mias epixeirhshs. Oloi oi Ellhnes polites exoyn ta idia dikaiwmata.

BLAXOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh apofasizei kai gia thn petrelaiokinhsh twn I.X. Dioti apo xqes briskomaste mprosta se ena apisteyto fainomeno na syzhteitai h na proteinetai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio h epektash kinhshs sta I.X. se Aqhna kai Qessalonikh kai taytoxrona, liges wres meta, kykloi toy k. Soyflia na lene oti thn petrelaiokinhsh den qa thn ypogracei ypoyrgos poy na legete Giwrgos Soyflias. H kybernhsh kai o Ellhnas poliths einai se omhria toy k. Soyflia;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete yparxei apagoreysh gia periballontikoys logoys, sxetika me th kykloforia aytokinhtwn me petrelaiokinhsh sthn Aqhna kai th Qessalonikh. Einai gnwsto oti, oson afora thn epibarynsh ths atmosfairas me swmatidia sthn Aqhna kai th Qessalonikh, briskomaste poly panw apo ta dieqnws apodekta oria. Gia na ginei dynath h petrelaiokinhsh prepei na arqoyn aytoi oi periballontikoi logoi. Armodio gia qemata periballontos einai to YPEXWDE. Opws exei dhlwsei o ypoyrgos k. Soyflias, meleta to qema kai qa kanei sxetikh eishghsh sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Den exei lhfqei kamia apofash.

BLAXOS: Ara, giati antidra; Basei poias meleths antidra, efoson den yparxei meleth. Deyteron, ayth thn yposxesh gia meleth o k. Soyflias, prin ena xrono thn exei pei. Einai dynaton ena ypoyrgeio, epi ena xrono, na mhn mporei na kanei mia tetoia meleth; Kai triton, oloi oi alloi armodioi ypoyrgoi ths E.E. einai xazoi, blakes kai epitrepoyn stis xwres toys thn petrelaiokinhsh; Emeis eimaste oi ejypnoi;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws epilegete na akoyte mono osa lete eseis kai oxi ayta poy lew egw. Ta epipeda molynshs apo sygkekrimena swmatidia sthn Aqhna kai th Qessalonikh einai poly ychlotera apo to dieqnes apodekto orio. Yparxei kaneis poy amfisbhtei oti h prostasia toy periballontos kai h ygeia twn politwn prepei na teqoyn panw apo otidhpote allo;

PALAIOLOGOS: Tote h protash toy k. Liaph einai proxeirh. Ean eseis apokleiete thn periptwsh ayth, einai san na@. Sthn oysia to amfisbhtei o k. Liaphs, otan proteinei ayto to qema na mpoyn ta petrelaiokinhta sthn Aqhna kai th Qessalonikh, ara kati exei sto noy toy. Kapoia epitroph exei sto noy toy, kapoia meleth, thn opoia ypociazomai oti den qa exei o k. Soyflias.

ANTWNAROS: Sas paroysiasa molis th qesh ths kybernhshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: H qesh toy k. Soyflia dhladh. Me ayth poy diafwnei o k. Liaphs.

ANTWNAROS: Qesh ths kybernhshs einai osa akribws sas eipa molis.

BLAXOS: Einai qesh toy k. Soyflia. Den einai qesh ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Molis apanthsa. Den prokeitai na ginw yposthrikths ths endexomenws asqenoys mnhmhs sas.

SARANTAKOS: H kybernhsh apodexetai, yioqetei to porisma ths Dikaiosynhs gia tis apagwges twn Pakistanwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai to periexomeno ths erwthshs sas.

SARANTAKOS: H kybernhsh meleta to porisma ths Dikaiosynhs gia tis apagwges twn Pakistanwn sthn Ellada;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, prokeitai gia eisaggelikh diatajh, gia na xrhsimopoioyme ton akribh oro. Deyteron, h kybernhsh -opws sas exw pei epaneilhmmenws tis teleytaies hmeres- einai ayth poy me dikh ths prwtoboylia, dia toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs k. Papalhgoyra, eixe zhthsei prin apo eji mhnes apo ton eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy na paraggeilei me apolyth proteraiothta th dienergeia ths sxetikhs ereynas. H ereyna brisketai se ejelijh.

SARANTAKOS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti yparxei hdh ayth h eisaggelikh diatajh, th lete eseis, h opoia leei eykrinws kai me onomata oti oi apagwges eginan. Ayto h kybernhsh pws to krinei, pws to sxoliazei kai pws antidra;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw, se kamia periptwsh, mia dikastikh ereyna poy brisketai se ejelijh.

SARANTAKOS: Me sygxwreite. Legate mexri protinos oti den eginan oi apagwges. H Dikaiosynh leei twra oti eginan.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti sas exw pei isxyei.

SARANTAKOS: Ara, den exoyn ginei kata thn kybernhsh oi apagwges.

ANTWNAROS: Den afistamai kaqoloy apo ayta poy eipa.

SARANTAKOS: Ayta poy elege palaiotera o k. Roysopoylos isxyoyn; Oti dhladh den egina apagwges.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh anamenei thn ekbash ths dikastikhs ereynas.

POYLIDOY: Ayta poy legame thn perasmenh fora htan otan egine eisaggelikh diwjh kat` agnwstwn. Edw diabazw shmera oti mhnyqhkan oktw ypallhloi ths EYP. Yparxoyn dhladh onomata kai epiqeta.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw kanena stadio ths dikastikhs ereynas. Kai thn perasmenh ebdomada syzhtoysame gia to idio akribws qema.

POYLIDOY: Deyteron, exoyn teqei se diaqesimothta aytoi oi ypallhloi ths EYP;

ANTWNAROS: Den moy einai gnwsto kati tetoio.

POYLIDOY: Afoy h kybernhsh eixe empistosynh stis eisaggelikes arxes, h EYP giati zhthse kai ebgale diko ths porisma;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio.

POYLIDOY: Den yparxei problhma oyte gia ton k. Koranth kata thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw poly. Kaqe mera egeirete kai ena tetoio qema.

SIDERHS: Epeidh einai fygomaxia na krybeste pisw apo tis leitoyrgies ths dikaiosynhs, politika sas rwtw, blepete na ginetai farsa opws eixe protajei o k. Boylgarakhs olh ayth h katastash kai oi diadoxikes arnhseis kai metaboles proqesewn sas;

ANTWNAROS: O kybernhtikos ekproswpos ki egw ws anaplhrwths toy, den fygomaxoyme pote. Profanws, exoyme diaforetikh antilhch apo ayth poy exete eseis gia th leitoyrgia ths Dhmokratias kai twn pylwnwn ths.

SIDERHS: Mhpws exei kai o k. Boylgarakhs, o opoios eixe protajei to ``farsa'' h ``probokatsia''; Eixe apofasisei kai aytos prin th dikaiosynh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena allo sxolio gia to en logw qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Telika exoyn ginei apagwges gia thn kybernhsh h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: H Dikaiosynh ereyna to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Ma, hdh apefanqh h dikaiosynh.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi kyrie, kanete laqos. H dikaiosynh den apefanqh. Synexizei thn ereyna.

GKOYTZANHS: Den einai to qema ths apodoshs eyqynwn se sygkekrimena proswpa. H dikaiosynh apefanqh, to qema yparxei, oi apagwges eixan ginei, aphggeile kathgories. Asxeta me to an katalogistoyn eyqynes gia sygkekrimena proswpa.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai se kamia periptwsh na sas parakoloyqhsw sta dhmosiografika sas almata.

GKOYTZANHS: Den einai almata ayta.

PALAIOLOGOS: H poinikh diwjh dyo stelexwn ths EYP einai dhmosiografikh@

ANTWNAROS: Mhn dhmioyrgeite entypwseis. Den exei askhqei poinikh diwjh enantion oydenos sygkekrimenoy proswpoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai gia ta dyo stelexh ths EYP;

ANTWNAROS: Mhn dhmioyrgeite entypwseis. Epanalambanw: Den exei askhqei poinikh diwjh enantion oydenos proswpoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto shmainei oti h kybernhsh yposthrizei pws den exoyn ginei paranomes apagwges kai den yparxei kamia emplokh kratikwn arxwn.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh qa perimenei thn oloklhrwsh ths dikastikhs ereynas.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, ayrio ean o k. Alabanos zhthsei synanthsh me ton k. Prwqypoyrgo gia na ton rwthsei gi ayto to qema, o k. Prwqypoyrgos qa toy pei, perimenw na oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna kai meta qa sas apanthsw;

ANTWNAROS: Opoios epiqymei synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, eidika ean ekproswpei ena allo komma poy einai sth Boylh, exei to dikaiwma na to kanei, opws akribws exei ginei kai sto parelqon. Den mporw omws na sas apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis, gia to ti qa elege o Prwqypoyrgos ean synebaine ekeino h to allo.

KAKALHS: To qema ths apagwghs twn Pakistanwn mhpws syzhthqhke sth synanthsh poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Pakistano omologo toy; Giati o k. Papandreoy eipe oti syzhthqhke to qema sth synanthsh poy eixan.

ANTWNAROS: Den syzhthqhke.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den to eqese, dhladh, o Pakistanos Prwqypoyrgos h den to syzhthse o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Den syzhthqhke apo toys dyo prwqypoyrgoys.

BLAXOS: Epeidh blepw oti exete mia poly megalh eyaisqhsia stis ereynes ths Dikaiosynhs, ws armodio ypoyrgos qa zhthsete na yparjei ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs kai gia tis kataggelies poy ginontai sto qema ths diaxeirishs twn xrhmatwn sthn ERT;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei thn perasmenh Paraskeyh, parapempontas sthn topoqethsh ths dioikhshs ths ERT.

BLAXOS: Alla, epeidh epimenoyn kai exoyn arxisei kai antallassoyn ejwdika oi dyo pleyres, mhpws qa eprepe na asxolhqei o eisaggeleas giati einai dhmosio xrhma.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Symfwneite, dhladh, oti prepei na ginei ayto; Na ginei mia eisaggelikh ereyna;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis ths dioikhshs ths ERT.

BLAXOS: Ara, thn kalyptete, ayto mas lete. Pairnete qesh yper ths ERT. Ayto mas lete.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Synexizei h kybernhsh na yposthrizei oti den yphrje kamia emplokh kratikwn yphresiwn sto qema twn apagwgwn;

ANTWNAROS: Se ayto to qema, den exw na kanw kanena epipleon sxolio. O,ti eixa na pw to eipa. Epanalambanw: H kybernhsh anamenei thn ekbash ths dikastikhs diereynhshs toy qematos.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: O k. Boylgarakhs synexizei na xairei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Me exete rwthsei nomizw dyo fores, ayth thn ebdomada kai thn perasmenh. H apanthsh poy exw dwsei ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

BLAXOS: Pantws th xwra thn kyberna h kybernhsh kai oxi h Dikaiosynh. Ara, prepei h kybernhsh na exei apoch se diafora qemata poy apasxoloyn thn epikairothta kai thn koinh gnwmh. Den mporei na einai monimws h kybernhsh pisw apo thn eisaggelikh ereyna.

ANTWNAROS: Stis eynomoymenes politeies, stis opoies, bebaia, anhkei kai h Ellada, oi kybernhseis den sxoliazoyn th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs.

BLAXOS: Se eynomoymenes politeies, opws einai h Ellada, h kratikh ERT poy kalyptei gia logariasmo olwn twn kanaliwn tis synenteyjeis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den kobei thn teleytaia erwthsh apo thn eikona poy dinei sta kanalia. Kai epeidh ayth h erwthsh htan kai dikh moy kai aforoyse toys Pakistanoys, kophke apo thn kratikh ERT.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete sxolio, oxi erwthsh. Apeyqynqeite sthn ERT.

SARANTAKOS: Prin apo arketoys mhnes apo to bhma ayto poy briskeste eseis twra, o k. Roysopoylos mas eixe diabebaiwsei kai olo ton ellhniko lao oti oi apagwges den eixan ginei. Shmera, mas lete oti qa perimenete th diejagwgh ths dikastikhs ereynas. Telika, ti apo ta dyo symbainei; Eginan h den eginan h qa apofanqei h Dikaiosynh telika gia to ti egine;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den exete katagracei osa sas exw pei.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh to kategraca, gi` ayto kai epeidh eixa katagracei kai to ti eipe o k. Roysopoylos, gi` ayto sas rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei me apolyth safhneia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Apo osa exoyme akoysei ws twra k. Ekproswpe, qa hqela na moy peite ean eiste eyxaristhmenos, oson afora thn enhmerwsh toy koinoy apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo me tis apanthseis poy dinete kai an proballete th qesh ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Dikaiwma sas na to krinete.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Esas rwtw, ean proagei-proballei aytos o dialogos kai ayth h kaqhmerinh enhmerwsh to ergo ths kybernhshs h ean enhmerwnei plhrws ton ellhniko lao. Ean apomonwsoyme tis apanthseis sas den bgainei kanena stoixeio enhmerwshs.

ANTWNAROS: Parola tayta, blepw oti erxeste sxedon kaqe hmera.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kaqhkon moy, opws kai to diko sas. Egw sas sebomai.

ANTWNAROS: Egw exw kaqhkon, sto opoio kai antapokrinomai plhrws, eseis den exete kat` anagkhn kaqhkon na paristasqe.

STAQOPOYLOS: O prwhn boyleyths toy PASOK k. Faikogloy qa einai piqanotata o ypochfios Dhmarxos ths Janqhs. Qa hqela ena sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia endexomenes politikes epidiwjeis opoioydhpote Ellhna polith.

POYLIDOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei sthn epikairh erwthsh toy k. Alabanoy thn Paraskeyh.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

BLAXOS: Qa einai stoys Delfoys o Prwqypoyrgos. Den qa einai stoys Delfoys;

ANTWNAROS: Otan exw kati, qa sas to anakoinwsw.

KAKALHS: Alhqeyei oti h germanikh kybernhsh apofasise na zhthsei thn ekdosh adeias gia thn epomenh fash twn ereynwn toy ``Poseidwna'' kai apo thn Toyrkia; Telika yparxei kaqestws sygkyriarxias sto Aigaio;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw apanthsei apo th Deytera. Moy egine akribws h idia erwthsh.

KAKALHS: Oxi. Den einai h idia erwthsh. Twra, exoyme nea dedomena.

ANTWNAROS: Den exei perielqei ews twra sth gnwsh ths ellhnikhs pleyras kati tetoio. Parola tayta, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti to ploio, ayth th stigmh, brisketai kaq` odon pros thn Krhth, opoy kai qa brisketai tis epomenes hmeres.

KAKALHS: Parola ayta, to gegonos menei. Ean, dhladh, h germanikh kybernhsh zhta mallon thn adeia kai ths Toyrkias gia tis ereynes sto Aigaio, den yparxei gia esas zhthma;

ANTWNAROS: Oi ereynes eginan kai ginontai gia to diasthma poy exei problefqei. Den exw na prosqesw kati. Isxyoyn osa sas eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epistrefw sto qema toy k. Boylgarakh. Apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh anamenei to porisma ths dikastikhs ereynas, poy apodidete tote eseis@

ANTWNAROS: Anamenei thn ekbash ths dikastikhs ereynas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, thn ekbash. Ean kai bebaiws yparxei ayth h eisaggelikh diatajh, opws lete. Poy apodidete th xqesinh synaisqhmatikh ekrhjh toy k. Boylgarakh sth diarkeia ths omilias toy sth Boylh, oti ``egw qa sthrijw tis epiloges moy mexri qanatoy'';

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, den hmoyn ekei. Rwthqhke gia to sygkekrimeno qema;

PALAIOLOGOS: Den jerw ean rwthqhke. Milw gia th synaisqhmatikh ekrhjh. Yparxei omws kai ayth diapistwqhke.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston idio, wste na sas ejhghsei ti ennooyse.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayth einai h aporia moy. Dhladh, gia poio logo o k. Boylgarakhs na ekrhgnytai synaisqhmatika, apo th stigmh poy ola einai meli-gala, den yparxei kanena problhma.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete ermhneia, exw thn aisqhsh, kata to dokoyn, panw se kati poy feretai na eipe o k. Boylgarakhs. Egw den mporw na ermhneysw kati poy feretai na eipe. Den exw men kanena logo na amfisbhthsw oti eipwqhke etsi opws moy to metaferete, alla den mporw na kanw kamia ermhneia tetoioy eidoys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Hqela na to prosdiorisw. Ayto shmainei oti o k. Boylgarakhs aisqanetai akalyptos apo th stash ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Rwthqhka prohgoymenws kai topoqethqhka me apolyth safhneia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa moy epitrecete, exw thn ypocia oti h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn synadelfwn na mhn exei akomh jekaqarisei poia einai akribws h apanthsh. Sas ekana mia sygkekrimenh erwthsh, pro oligoy. Prwton, h kybernhsh epimenei na yposthrizei oti den yphrjan paranomes apagwges Pakistanwn; Kai epimenei, para thn prosfath eisaggelikh diatajh, na yposthrizei oti den yphrje kamia emplokh kratikwn yphresiwn kai arxwn h kanenos stelexoys kratikhs yphresias; Ayth einai h erwthsh moy, thn opoia den exete apanthsei.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, qelete na epanalabw epakribws osa sas eipa thn perasmenh ebdomada. Isxyoyn sto akeraio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den exei allajei, dhladh, tipote apo thn perasmenh ebdomada mexri shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Antilambanomai thn prospaqeia poy kanete na me rwthsete shmera kati, to opoio me exete rwthsei proxqes, th Deytera kai thn Paraskeyh, me thn elpida h thn prosmonh oti qa pw kati diaforetiko. Exw topoqethqei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma, den moy lete kai kati sygkekrimeno.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti oi odhgies poy exoyn oles oi dhmosies yphresies, ola ta kratika organa, einai na leitoyrgoyn mesa sta plaisia toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto einai geniko. Qa to elege kai o k. Paylopoylos ws kaqhghths ths Nomikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai diko sas sxolio.

BLAXOS: Ayto omws den apagoreyei se mia yphresia na leitoyrghsei ektos nomoy.

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh den anexetai kai den epitrepei se kamia yphresia na leitoyrgei ejw apo to plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite kyrie Ekproswpe, to zhtoymeno den einai ean eginan oi syllhceis Pakistanwn kai gia poioys logoys eginan. To zhtoymeno einai ean o ypoyrgos, o k. Boylgarakhs, eipe cemata ston ellhniko lao h oxi. Dioti mporei to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, na exei mia kataggelia gia kapoion paranomo kai na ton elegjei kai ayto na einai nomimh diadikasia toy ypoyrgeioy, alla sth synexeia ean o ypoyrgos pei oti den to epraje, einai problhma politiko.

ANTWNAROS: Egw pantws, ejakoloyqw na prokrinw thn anamonh ths kybernhshs gia thn ekbash ths dikastikhs diereynhshs toy qematos.

BLAXOS: H epikoinwniakh taktikh enos ypoyrgoy einai dikh toy armodiothta; Dhladh otan o k. Boylgarakhs apofasise na kanei aytes tis dhlwseis dhmosia, to apofasise sto grafeio toy h epikoinwnhse me to Megaro Majimoy, synennohqhke, phre thn entolh kai sth synexeia bghke kai ekane tis dhmosies dhlwseis. Einai kat` ejoxhn kybernhtikh taktikh. Einai kentrikh politikh taktikh ths kybernhshs. Giati o k. Boylgarakhs leei oti kanei to kanei se synennohsh me to Majimoy.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, qelete na monologeite. Egw ekeino to opoio sas lew kai sas to exw pei epaneilhmmenws, einai oti se kamia periptwsh den prokeitai na sas pw, poies syzhthseis, poia thlefwnhmata kanoyn o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ypoyrgoys h o enas ypoyrgos me ton allo ypoyrgo.

BLAXOS: Einai shmantiko na jeroyme omws, ean eixe thn egkrish toy Megaroy Majimoy, gia ta osa eipe o k. Boylgarakhs. Den einai shmantiko;

ANTWNAROS: Eseis, profanws, to qewreite shmantiko.

SIDERHS: Ekproswpeite thn kybernhsh, ara kai kaqe ypoyrgo epimeroys. Den niwqete thn anagkh mias aytokritikhs toylaxiston, ean oxi sygnwmhs; Otan erxosastan kai mas legate ``den ginontai apagwges'' kai twra diaforopoieite th qesh sas kai mas lete ``perimenete th Dikaiosynh'', einai allagh stashs. Den ofeilete mia aytokritikh apenanti mas, dioti kai emeis enhmerwsame laqos thn koinh gnwmh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na perimenete thn ekbash ths dikastikhs diereynhshs toy qematos.

SIDERHS: Ayto einai mia kainoyrgia qesh, se sxesh me to oti prin mas legate ``den ginontai apagwges''.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqoloy kainoyrgia qesh den einai. Einai h pagia topoqethsh ths kybernhshs, gia polla qemata, opoy to logo exei h Dikaiosynh.

SIDERHS: To ``den ginontai'' me to ``perimenw th Dikaiosynh'' einai idia kyrie Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Eseis mporeite na mh qelete na perimenete th Dikaiosynh. Eimai sigoyros omws, oti oi Ellhnes polites qeloyn na perimenoyn thn krish ths Dikaiosynh.

POYLIDOY: Eipate prin oti h kybernhsh pisteyei pws h leitoyrgia twn dhmosiwn arxwn prepei na einai synnomh. Se periptwsh poy den einai synnomh poies kyrwseis problepontai, kata thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw stis ypoqeseis tis opoies kanete.

POYLIDOY: Egw den sas rwtw gia sygkekrimena pragmata. Sas rwtw sto plaisio twn arxwn. Fantazomai oti yparxoyn kapoies symfwnhmenes arxes.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw syzhthsh epi twn arxwn ths leitoyrgias ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs.

POYLIDOY: Ston idiwtiko tomea, as poyme, otan parabiazontai kapoioi kanones leitoyrgies, to prwto poy prohgeitai einai h apolysh. Sto dhmosio xwro, rwtaw, poies einai oi kyrwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai o rolos moy se ayth thn aiqoysa na dwsw apanthseis poy aptontai toy Dioikhtikoy Dikaioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean oi yphresies sas ekanan th sxetikh ereyna gia thn AGB kai ean einai grammenh kanonika sta mhtrwa.

ANTWNAROS: Den exei oloklhrwqei. Otan exoyme kati, opws kai egine kai me th gnwmodothsh, qa sas enhmerwsoyme.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate prohgoymenws, se mia systash poy kanate pros oloys, oti qa htan fronimo na perimenoyme thn ejelijh ths dikastikhs ereynas. Mhpws tote kapoioi biasthkan, otan apo to bhma ayto diabebaiwnan oti den eginan oi apagwges; Na bgaloyme ayto to symperasma; Mhpws eprepe kai o k. Roysopoylos dhladh na perimenei to porisma, prin diabebaiwsei ton ellhniko lao -di@ hmwn- oti den exoyn ginei apagwges;

ANTWNAROS: Oti eixa na pw, to eipa.

SARANTAKOS: Eseis perimenate; To erwthma moy dhladh, einai ean h kybernhsh perimenei pragmati to porisma ths Dikaiosynhs h mhpws biasthke na pei oti den eginan;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh bebaiws kai perimenei thn ekbash ths dikastikhs diereynhshs toy qematos. Ypenqymizw oti stis 14 Dekembrioy toy perasmenoy xronoy, o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Papalhgoyras, diatypwse to sxetiko aithma pros ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy.

SARANTAKOS: Tote, pws symbadizoyn oi dhlwseis poy eginan tote, me ayto poy lete eseis shmera, oti h kybernhsh panta perimenei; Dioti exoyme tis dhlwseis toy k. Roysopoyloy kai toy k. Boylgarakh, poy elegan oti den eginan. Den mpainw se allh fraseologia poy xrhsimopoihse o ypoyrgos, lew mono thn oysia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw tonisei oti h kybernhsh perimenei thn ekbash ths dikastikhs diereynhshs toy qematos.

KAKALHS: Epeidh areskesqe sthn paraqesh deiktwn kai stoixeiwn, qa hqela na moy sxoliasete dyo deiktes prosfatoys. Pws sxoliazete to gegonos, dhladh , oti h xwra mas einai h monh metajy twn 25 kratwn ths E.E., poy diaqetei katw apo to 4% toy AEP gia thn paideia, epishs oti katalambanei thn proteleytaia qesh sthn Eyrwph twn 15 gia tis apodoxes twn ergazomenwn.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete -kai s` ayto exei anaferqei kai h ypoyrgos Paideias k. Giannakoy- ginetai mia prospaqeia na ayjhqei to pososto toy AEP, to opoio diatiqetai kaqe xrono gia thn paideia. Exei ginei hdh kapoia ayjhsh, den exw ayth th stigmh to akribes pososto proxeiro gia na sas to pw. Parakalw na anatrejete se sxetikes anafores ths k. Giannakoy. Sto deytero qema poy qijate@

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe desmeyqei gia 5% toy AEP gia thn paideia.

ANTWNAROS: Paragnwrizete ena poly aplo stoixeio: Briskomaste sto meson ths tetraetias. H kybernhsh krinetai synolika. Sto de deytero qema einai diarkhs h prospaqeia ths sygklishs. H Ellada, as mhn jexname, jekinhse apo ena poly xamhlo epipedo kai ginontai bhmata mesa se ena kaqoloy eynoiko oikonomiko plaisio, to opoio mas klhrodothse h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Parola tayta ginontai shmantika bhmata. As metrhsoyme toys deiktes otan oloklhrwqei h tetraetia. Otan klhqei o ellhnikos laos na krinei ayth thn kybernhsh, poy eimai bebaios oti qa thn krinei qetika.

KAKALHS: Ta bhmata ginontai sthn kateyqynsh ths sygklishs me tis apodoxes ths Kentrikhs Eyrwphs, twn newn kratwn ths E.E., oxi me toys ypoloipoys.

ANTWNAROS: Ola ta bhmata poy ginontai, ginontai pros to kalytero.

BLAXOS: Pws ginetai na epikaleiste thn prohgoymenh diakybernhsh ths xwras apo to PASOK kai na phgainei thn Paraskeyh o k. Karamanlhs na akoysei ton ``tsaro'' ths oikonomias toy PASOK, ton k. Gerasimo Arsenh.

ANTWNAROS: Den fantazomai na perimenete apanthsh se aythn sas thn erwthsh@

GKOYTZANHS: Edw kai dyo xronia, h kybernhsh kai ta kybernhtika stelexh kaqhmerina -kai den einai yperbolh ayto- milane gia tis eyqynes ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs kai aytwn poy parelaban klp.

ANTWNAROS: Oi opoies kai einai anejithles sth mnhmh toy ellhnikoy laoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Wraia. Egw den exw kanena logo na diafwnhsw mazi sas. Giati omws afoy einai anejithles, to lete kaqe hmera, tosa polla stelexh; Mhpws einai ena alloqi gia thn anapotelesmatikothta ths dikhs sas kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqoloy. Sas pareqesa sygkekrimena oikonomika stoixeia. Parola tayta, ekeino to opoio qelw na tonisw einai oti den prepei na jexname ti ekanan, osoi ekanan, gia 20 synapta xronia. Ayto den mporei na anatrapei se dyo mono xronia.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, gi` ayto kai katadikasthkan apo ton ellhniko lao kai exasan tis ekloges.

ANTWNAROS: Kai kalo qa einai oi protaseis toy PASOK, poy merida twn MME tis paroysiazei san na einai kati kainotomo kai entypwsiako, na sygkekrimenopoihqoyn. Giati sygkekrimenes protaseis, apo thn pleyra ths antipoliteyshs, den blepoyme. Sygkekrimenes protaseis, sygkekrimena metra, sygkekrimenes apofaseis, pairnei kai efarmozei mono h shmerinh kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Pantws, ayth h synexhs anafora sto PASOK, lambanei pia kai thn ennoia ths prosblhtikhs anaforas pros to proswpo toy k. Papoylia. Giati o k. Papoylias htan basiko stelexos ths kybernhshs PASOK, ton opoio eseis kanate Proedro ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete lektikoys kai dianohtikoys akrobatismoys stoys opoioys eilikrina den epiqymw na sas parakoloyqhsw.

SIDERHS: O neos K.O.K. ginetai pio aysthros. Qymamai ena eidiko qema, oti mporei na soy paroyn to diplwma epeidh qa staqmeyseis se rampa gia atoma me eidikes anagkes. Ws twra, toys epairnan tis pinakides. Ti dyskoleye toys astynomikoys na kanoyn to kaqhkon toys peran apo thn abelthria toys;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalaba ti ennoeite.

SIDERHS: Den katalabainw poios o skopos ths peraiterw enisxyshs twn aysthrwn diatajewn toy neoy Kwdika, afoy ws twra yphrxan diatajeis tis opoies oi astynomikoi den throysan.

ANTWNAROS: Jerete, h epibolh prostimwn exei polles fores kai enan ekpaideytiko xarakthra.

SIDERHS: Kai eispraktiko exei.

ANTWNAROS: Exei kyriws ekpaideytiko xarakthra. Kai qa prepei orismenoys kanones na maqoyme na toys throyme. Ekeino to opoio qelw na sas pw -einai kai mia megalh syzhthsh poy ginetai se polles xwres ths Eyrwphs- einai oti den symbainei mono sthn Ellada ayto. Einai antikeimeno syzhthshs kata poso prepei na ``timwreis'' to oxhma me thn afairesh twn pinakidwn kai na mhn timwreis ton odhgo, o opoios parabatei.

SIDERHS: Qelw na sas pw, oti oi astynomikoi ws twra, den kanoyn th doyleia toys.

ANTWNAROS: Opws kai na exei, egw ekfrazw thn eyxh olo kai perissoteroi odhgoi na xrhsimopoioyn zwnh asfaleias kai na efarmozoyn ton KOK.

Sas eyxaristw.

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