Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-05-03

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Aqhna, 3 Maioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Diabalkanikhs Synergasias poy ginetai sth Qessalonikh.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei shmera, Tetarth 3 Maioy, stis 14.30 gia th Qessalonikh. Stis 18.50 qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Trimeloys Proedrias ths Bosnias-Erzegobinhs k. Tixits. Stis 19.10, qa akoloyqhsei synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Albanias k. Mperisa. Stis 19.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei dejiwsh stis antiproswpeies poy metexoyn sth Synodo. Stis 20.30, meta th dejiwsh, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths PGDM k. Tsrbenkofski.

Ayrio Pempth 4 Maioy, stis 08.45, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Roymanias k. Popeskoy-Taritseanoy. Amesws meta, stis 09.00 qa proedreysei twn ergasiwn ths Synodoy ths Diabalkanikhs Synergasias. Stis 11.00, qa exei synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Toyrkias k. Erntogan. Sth synexeia, apo tis 11.15 ews tis 12.30, symfwna me to programma, qa synexistoyn oi ergasies ths Synodoy Koryfhs kai qa yparjei parallhla synanthsh twn ypoyrgwn Metaforwn twn xwrwn poy metexoyn. Stis 12.30, qa ypografei h Symfwnia gia th dhmioyrgia sidhrodromikoy diktyoy ychlwn anesewn sth N.A. Eyrwph, apo toys ypoyrgoys Metaforwn twn xwrwn poy metexoyn, paroysia twn arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn toys. Meta apo thn anamnhstikh fwtografia, qa doqei stis 13.00 synenteyjh Typoy ths Troikas. Katopin, o Prwqypoyrgos, stis 14.00 qa paraqesei geyma stoys arxhgoys twn apostolwn kai qa epistrecei apo th Qessalonikh sthn Aqhna.

Se o,ti afora dhmosieymata sxetika me syzhthseis toy Ypoyrgoy Emporikhs Naytilias k. Kefalogiannh kai dhmosiografwn, eisagwgika qa sas pw kai qa meinw se ayto, oti o k. Kefalogiannhs exei kanei dhlwseis me tis opoies jekaqarizei oti epixeireitai ermhneia kai parermhneia apospasmatwn frasewn kai ennoiwn, dhmioyrgwntas etsi esfalmenes entypwseis, makran twn oswn eipe.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo th stigmh omws poy eseis lete oti dhmioyrgoyntai esfalmenes entypwseis kai oti parermhneythkan ta legomena toy k. Kefalogiannh, tote poios htan o logos ths antidrashs toy synadelfoy toy k. Kefalogiannh, ennow toy k. Soyflia, o opoios milhse gia osoys miloyn, exontas agnoia twn qematwn h asygxwrhth skopimothta;

ANTWNAROS: Oti eixa na pw gia to qema ayto, opws sas eipa eisagwgika, to exw pei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma, den rwtaw gia ton k. Kefalogiannh, lew poios htan o logos ths antidrashs toy k. Soyflia.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me afhnete na oloklhrwsw thn erwthsh; Eipe xarakthristika o k. Soyflias oti ean exei pei, qa eprepe na eixe hdh fygei apo thn kybernhsh. Oyte kan an exei paraithqei, oyte kan an exei apopemfqei. Na exei fygei apo thn kybernhsh. Egw anaferomai se ayto. Poio htan to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to exw pei eisagwgika.

MPOTSARAKOS: Apo th dieykrinistikh dhlwsh toy k. Kefalogiannh, blepoyme oti yposthrizei pws parermhneythkan kai esfalmenes entypwseis klp, ayta poy eipate kai eseis. Den mas leei o k. Kefalogiannhs omws, ti eipe gia to qema ths diaplokhs, oxi ti ennooyse, ti eipe. Dhladh, blepoyme mia dieykrinistikh dhlwsh poy leei ti den eipe, alla oxi ti eipe. Pws qa maqoyme ti eipe, afoy h monh phgh mas einai oi synadelfoi poy egracan stis efhmerides kapoia pragmata. O k. Kefalogiannhs erxetai shmera kai leei oti den eipwqhkan ayta, eipwqhkan alla. Ti eipe o k. Kefalogiannhs;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na sas pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to exw pei.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: O k. Kefalogiannhs synexizei na apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to exw pei.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh yparxei kai to prohgoymeno twn dhlwsewn Boylgarakh, shmera erxontai kai oi dhlwseis Kefalogiannh, ti systhnei h kybernhsh dhladh stoys dhmosiografoys, na akoloyqhsoyme to ypodeigma toy k. Jekoykoylwtakh, na kykloforoyme me kameres kai kasetofwna kai na epakoloyqoyn mhnyseis twn MME kata twn ypoyrgwn oi opoioi toys egkaloyn gia parapoihsh twn dhlwsewn toys;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio sto sxolio to opoio kanete.

POYLIDOY: Poios einai o dromos synergasias kybernhshs kai dhmosiografwn telika;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh synergazetai poly kala me ta MME. Sta plaisia ayths ths synergasias, opws gnwrizete, briskomaste kai o k. Roysopoylos kai egw kaqe hmera edw kai sas enhmerwnoyme.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Exei kleisei gia thn kybernhsh to zhthma toy Manwlh Kefalogiannh meta tis aparaithtes dieykrinhseis kai tis thlefwnikes epikoinwnies poy eixate h paramenei anoixto kai einai se ejelijh;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to exw pei.

SIDERHS: Na balw mia allh diastash: O Karagkiozhs htan emblhmatikh fysiognwmia otan h Ellada htan ``cwrokwstaina''. Mhpws o k. Kefalogiannhs hqele na pei oti odhgoymaste jana ekei;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti ypanissesqe me osa ypo morfh asteismoy eipate. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema sas eipa: O,ti exw na pw, to exw pei.

SIDERHS: Prospaqoysa na diermhneysw@

ANTWNAROS: Ayto mporeite na to kanete stis ekpompes tis opoies exete kai oi opoies exoyn kai akroamatikothta, ap` o,ti gnwrizw.

SARANTAKOS: Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth erwthsh einai: O k. Kefalogiannhs den anakalese th frash poy toy apodidetai, h frash ``karagkiozhs'' poy eipe. H kybernhsh den niwqei thn anagkh na pei kati ep` aytoy; Mas diabasate mia dhlwsh toy k. Kefalogiannh@

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, egw den diabasa dhlwsh toy k. Kefalogiannh.

SARANTAKOS: Parapemcate sth dhlwsh toy k. Kefalogiannh.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia dhlwsh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

SARANTAKOS: Den exete na peite kati allo, gia th frash ayth thn opoia xrhsimopoihse gia merida toy politikoy kosmoy, gia toys dhmosiografoys, th frash ``karagkiozhs'';

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote, pera apo osa sas eipa.

SARANTAKOS: To deytero skelos ths erwthshs moy einai oti ena akomh stelexos ths kybernhshs, o opoios exei parei malista kai to xrisma gia th Nomarxia Qessalonikhs shmera, ta eipe dhmosia ayta, symfwnwntas me ton k. Kefalogiannh. Milaw gia ton k. Cwmiadh, o opoios eipe oti yparxoyn sponsores orismenwn politikwn. Ep` aytoy exete na peite kati;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den exw ypocin moy kan tis dhlwseis stis opoies anafereste.

SARANTAKOS: Einai apo to prwi, se prwinh ekpomph ths thleorashs toy ALPHA.

ANTWNAROS: Den parakoloyqw oles tis ekpompes. Sas to exw pei.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh einai ena shmantiko qema, gi` ayto lew@

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa@

SARANTAKOS: Milaei gia sponsores politikoys@

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to eipa.

SARANTAKOS: Qa moy epitrecete na epimeinw. Einai allo qema o k. Cwmiadhs.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa. Den exw na pw tipote allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw: Th lejh ``karagkiozhdes'', thn eipe h den thn eipe o k. Kefalogiannhs;

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw th dhlwsh toy k. Kefalogiannh. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema den exw na pw tipote allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Th lejh ``karagkiozhdes'' thn eipe; Ayto den mporei na to pei o k. Kefalogiannhs;

ANTWNAROS: Allh erwthsh se allo qema;

SIDERHS: Mia paremferh erwthsh. Den einai gia allo qema, alla einai sthn kalh synergasia poy exete me toys dhmosiografoys. Pws antilambaneste to rolo sas; Na erxeste edw na sas bombardizoyme me erwthseis gia ena shmantiko qema, gia mia parektroph enos ypoyrgoy kai na lete ``den exw na pw tipota''; Einai enhmerwsh ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, h enhmerwsh poy kanei h kybernhsh einai plhrhs, sfairikh kai leptomereiakh. Deyteron, to ti qa pei h kybernhsh, qa epitrecete asfalws sthn kybernhsh na epilegei ton tropo me ton opoio qelei na to pei. Kai triton, sas parakalw na anakalesete merikoys apo toys xarakthrismoys poy kanate, oi opoioi den nomizw oti qa prepei na xarakthrizoyn th synergasia poy exoyme kai emeis edw, se ayto to xwro, alla kai genikotera th synergasia metajy ths kybernhshs kai twn ekproswpwn twn MME.

POYLIDOY: Kai o k. Kefalogiannhs einai kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: An htan prosblhtikoi, toys anakalw. Den ekana kanena prosblhtiko xarakthrismo. Eseis kanate gia synadelfoys poy einai gnwstoi gia thn egkyrothta toys. Den htan tyxaioi synadelfoi. Htan egkyroi kai anagnwrismenoi.

ANTWNAROS: Ekana mia eisagwgikh topoqethsh, h opoia kai isxyei.

ROYMELIWTHS: Na katalhjoyme se ayth thn eisagwgikh dhlwsh poy kanate. Yphrje kapoia epikoinwnia toy k. Roysopoyloy, dikh sas, me ton k. Kefalogiannh; Poios epikoinwnhse me thn kybernhsh kai ti akribws dieykriniseis phrate.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to exw pei.

MPOTSARAKOS: Me to qema ths diaplokhs, h kybernhsh pws aisqanetai; Exei petyxei se ayta ta dyo xronia; Exei ferei apotelesmata; Exei allajei to topio sthn Ellada; Giati qymamai proeklogika ginontan poly sklhres gia th diaplokh, synexisthkan kai meteklogika. Ti ginetai, loipon, shmera; Se poio epipedo exoyn erqei apotelesmata apo thn politikh ths kybernhshs; Eiste ikanopoihmenoi;

ANTWNAROS: H prospaqeia einai synexhs kai apodidei hdh karpoys.

MPALHS: Apo th stigmh poy den apantate gia ton k. Kefalogiannh, mporeite na moy peite gia poio logo kinhtopoieite gh kai oyrano gia tis synergasies toy Koinwnikoy Foroym poy jekinoyn; Giati diabasa twra sthn efhmerida ``EQNOS'' oti kinhtopoioyntai 8.000 astynomikoi kai hdh -qa moy epitrecete na pw- sthn perioxh poy menw blepw idiaiterh astynomikh paroysia kai den mporw na katalabw gia poio logo einai toso isxyres oi astynomikes dynameis. Dhladh, aytoi poy erxontai, pws toys xarakthrizete kai ginetai tetoia kinhtopoihsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena xarakthrismo. H Politeia, omws, lambanei ola ta aparaithta metra gia na diataraxqei oso to dynato ligotero -giati qa diataraxqei- h kaqhmerinh zwh twn politwn sthn Aqhna.

NASOPOYLOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema toy ypoyrgoy Emporikhs Naytilias. Den qa staqw stoys xarakthrismoys. Qa staqw, omws, se dyo shmeia poy einai kataggelies apo thn pleyra toy kai ypo synqhkes qa dikaiologoysan isws kai mia parembash eisaggelea. To ena einai ayto poy leei gia thn paraxwrhsh. Ston enan dwsame to METRO kai ston allon to Megaro, exei pei sto plaisio ths koybentas poy exei kanei gia th diaplokh. Katalabainw oti ekei ofeiletai isws kai h antidrash toy k. Soyflia. Ayto poy hqela na rwthsw einai, epikoinwnhsate me ton k. Soyflia; Exei na pei kati h kybernhsh panw se ayth thn kataggelia; Kai deyteron, exei milhsei kai gia megalodhmosiografo poy toy zhta na dwsei adeia oploforias se cyxopaqh, opws leei, kai o idios peripoy eipe oti qa anagkastei na to kanei giati einai to top twn top. Ayth einai, epishs, mia kataggelia apo thn pleyra toy. Milhsate me ton k. Kefalogiannh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio gia to sygkekrimeno qema. O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa eisagwgika.

LEONTITSH: Pws apanta h kybernhshs se dhlwseis kai fraseis toy Typoy oti oi perissoteroi ypoyrgoi einai toy salonioy kai toy kanape, oti polloi politikoi exoyn pisw toys politikoys kai oikonomikoys sponsores kai oti megaloi oikonomikoi paragontes exoyn sthmenoys ypoyrgoys. Aytes oi fraseis kai oi dhlwseis anhkoyn sto Nomarxh Qessalonikhs kai ypochfio Nomarxh.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai prin: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio, giati moy metaferete mia dhlwsh poy den gnwrizw.

LEONTITSH: Tis fraseis kai tis dhlwseis aytes, h kybernhsh den tis sxoliazei;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na sxoliasw kati poy den gnwrizw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto qema toy Kefalogiannh poy exei prokycei apo tis dhlwseis toy h apo ayta poy feretai oti exei pei, opws lete. Eseis eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo tis ejhghseis poy dinei shmera o k. Kefalogiannhs gia ta osa feretai oti eipe xqes;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa eisagwgika o,ti eixa na pw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh, to qema gia esas exei kleisei; Milaw gia to periexomeno ayto kaqayto twn dhlwsewn Kefalogiannh, gia to qema ths diaplokhs.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka sthn arxh ths shmerinhs enhmerwshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, na perimenoyme na paraithqei o k. Kefalogiannhs kapoia stigmh;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, sas to eipa eisagwgika.

SARANTAKOS: O k. Karamanlhs profanws enhmerwqhke gia tis dhlwseis poy feretai na ekane o k. Kefalogiannhs. Isxyei ayto; Kai an nai, apo poion.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema to eipa. Tipote allo.

SARANTAKOS: Ayto poy rwtw einai diadikastiko.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai diadikastiko.

SARANTAKOS: Na epanalabw thn erwthsh toy k. Papadhmhtrioy: O k. Kefalogiannhs apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, exei eipwqei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto prwtoselido ths efhmeridas ``AYRIANH'' poy kanei logo gia ena ypopto balitsaki ypoklopwn poy feretai na exei promhqeytei to YEQA h na exei paraggelqei pros xarin toy YEQA, exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Epikoinwnhsa, shmera to prwi, me to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai me enhmerwsan oti to sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta.

ROYMELIWTHS: Exoyme kapoies plhrofories gia thn atzenta ths synanthshs Karamanlh-Erntogan; Kai an o Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos, symfwna me tis plhrofories poy yphrxan sthn atyph Synodo sth Sofia zhthsei apo ton k. Karamanlh na oristei hmeromhnia episkechs sthn Toyrkia, poia qa einai h antidrash;

ANTWNAROS: Ep` aytoy, apanthse xqes o k. Roysopoylos. Osa eipe, isxyoyn sto akeraio. Den exoyme tipote neotero.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Se ayth thn atzenta ths synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Erntogan, ektos apo ta qemata Patriarxeioy, dimerh, Aigaioy, Kypriako poy qa syzhthqoyn, qa pei dhladh, ston k. Erntogan na analabei tis ypoxrewseis toy apenanti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Einai ypoxrewseis, k. Kwnstantinidh, opws ki eseis eipate, tis opoies h Toyrkia exei analabei apenanti sta 25 krath-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Aytes tis ypoxrewseis h Toyrkia prepei na tis ekplhrwsei sto akeraio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas rwthsw: O Prwqypoyrgos qa paei sth Lakwnia kai sth Messhnia;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas anakoinwsw tipota.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meqayrio paei kai den jerete shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparjei kati pros anakoinwsh, qa enhmerwqeite.

MANH: Giati exoyme enhmerwqei gia tis periodeies.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oi epishmes anakoinwseis.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kata thn antilhch sas, h Dhmokratia mas exei poiothta;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na mpw se filosofikes syzhthseis. Egw eimai edw, ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos.

POYLIDOY: H erwthsh einai eyqews politikh: To an exei poiothta h Dhmokratia.

ANTWNAROS: H Dhmokratia mas exei apodeijei, ta 31-32 xronia apo thn apokatastash ths meta th diktatoria, oti kai staqerh einai kai prosferei stoys polites ths ola ekeina ta exeggya poy xreiazontai gia na zoyn se kaqestws plhroys eleyqerias.

POYLIDOY: O k. Kefalogiannhs amfisbhtei thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias mas, symfwna me th shmerinh dieykrinistikh toy dhlwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekana dhlwsh ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos gia thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias kai nomizw oti oloi mas zoyme sthn idia xwra.

POYLIDOY: Kybernhtiko stelexos einai kai o k. Kefalogiannhs.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to eipa.

SIDERHS: Bohqhste th mnhmh moy, to Megaro eseis to dwsate h to PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy, toy opoioy kai nomizw einai armodiothta.

SIDERHS: Giati ballei kai kata ths kybernhsh me ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy gia sygkekrimenes hmeromhnies, tis opoies xreiazeste.

SKALKOS: Meta th synenteyjh poy edwse o k. Pagkalos, xqes eidame ton k. Benizelo na apanta toso sto radiofwno, oso kai se kentriko deltio thleorashs. Xqes, h kybernhsh den sxoliase, den asxolhqhke me th synenteyjh toy k. Pagkaloy, h opoia eixe kai kapoies aixmes pros thn kybernhsh. Yparxei kapoio sxolio shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti eiste kala plhroforhmenos. Xqes topoqethqhke o k. Roysopoylos. Eipe oti einai armodiothtas toy k. Aqanasakh.

SIDERHS: Kai ayta poy leei gia ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

MPOTSARAKOS: Shmera o Proedros toy PASOK milwntas stoys Syntonistes toy kommatos toy, anaferomenos stis feromenes dhlwseis toy k. Kefalogiannh den tis yioqethse epi ths oysias, legontas oti den qa poyme oti einai ``karagkiozhdes'', ``kybernhsh karagkiozhdwn'', alla qa poyme oti einai ``qeatro skiwn''. Htan pio hpios o k. Papandreoy apo ton k. Kefalogiannh sthn kritikh toy apenanti sthn kybernhsh. Ti apantate ston k. Papandreoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw tipota, giati ejakoloyqeite na prospaqeite na moy ekmaieysete me plagioys tropoys mia epipleon dhlwsh gia ton k. Kefalogiannh, enw sas exw dieykrinisei oti gia to sygkekrimeno qema isxyei o,ti exei eipwqei sthn arxh ths shmerinhs enhmerwshs.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: As afhsoyme ton k. Kefalogiannh. O k. Papandreoy leei oti h kybernhsh einai ``qeatro skiwn''. Ti apantate;

ANTWNAROS: Kala qa kanei o k. Papandreoy na asxolhqei me to diko toy komma.

MANH: Meta kai ta shmerina, den qelete na sxoliasete tis dhlwseis toy k. Kefalogiannh, den qa kanw erwthsh@

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka, jerete. Epimenete na to agnoeite.

MANH: Entajei. Kai eipate kamia dekaria fores@

ANTWNAROS: Eikosi-eikosipente, tis metrhsa.

MANH: Mhpws epanejetazete katopin olwn aytwn thn epistrofh toy k. Polyzoy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada; Rwtw, dioti me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy apopemfqhke.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw apo poy to symperainete ayto.

MANH: Ayta poy eipe o k. Polyzos wxrioyn mprosta se ayta poy exoyn eipwqei sto metajy.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia dika sas sxolia kai dikes sas ajiologhseis.

MANH: Ean yparxei kapoia apofash gia thn epistrofh toy k. Polyzoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tipota tetoio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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