Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-04-12

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Aqhna, 12 Aprilioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, qa milhsei, ayrio Pempth 13 Aprilioy, sth Boylh, sth syzhthsh pro hmerhsias diatajews gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, stis 17:15 qa anaxwrhsei gia epishmh episkech sth Boylgaria. Amesws meta thn afijh toy sth Sofia kai thn epishmh ypodoxh sthn Plateia Alejanter Nefski, o Prwqypoyrgos qa kataqesei stefani sto mnhmeio toy Agnwstoy Stratiwth. Akoloyqws, synodeyomenos apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Boylgarias, qa episkefqei ton Kaqedriko Nao Alejanter Nefski, opoy qa ypodexqei toys dyo Prwqypoyrgoys o Arxigrammateas ths Ieras Synodoy. Stis 20:30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa parakaqisei se epishmo deipno poy paraqetei o Prwqypoyrgos ths Boylgarias k. Stanisef.

Thn Paraskeyh, 14 Aprilioy, stis 09:15, qa diejaxqoyn oi synomilies twn dyo antiproswpeiwn sto ktirio toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Amesws meta, qa ypografoyn symfwnies kai qa akoloyqhsoyn peripoy stis 10:30, koines dhlwseis ston Typo. Stis 11:00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias ths Boylgarias k. Parbanwf kai amesws meta me ton Proedro ths Boylhs k. Pirinski kai ton Patriarxh Boylgarias k. Majimo. Me thn oloklhrwsh twn synanthsewn, o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei gia th Qessalonikh. Thn Paraskeyh to apogeyma o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei ton nomo Kilkis. To leptomeres programma qa sas anakoinwqei.

To Sabbatokyriako, o Prwqypoyrgos qa parameinei sth Qessalonikh opoy, metajy twn allwn, qa pragmatopoihsei episkech ergasias sto Ypoyrgeio Makedonias @ Qrakhs kai qa exei synanthseis me ton Dhmarxo Qessalonikhs k. Papagewrgopoylo kai ton Nomarxh Qessalonikhs k. Cwmiadh.

Thn Kyriakh, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei sth Qessalonikh me toys Ypoyrgoys Politismoy twn xwrwn ths N.A. Eyrwphs, oi opoioi qa pragmatopoihsoyn thn prwth toys synodo apo thn idrysh toy en logw organismoy, thn Paraskeyh sthn Patra kai qa metaboyn akoloyqws sth Qessalonikh. Sas ypenqymizw oti h Ellada askei kata thn trexoysa periodo thn Proedria toy en logw organismoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Ton k. Papagewrgopoylo kai ton k. Cwmiadh, qa toys dei mazi o Prwqypoyrgos h xwrista;

ANTWNAROS: Qa exei xwristes synanthseis.

BLAXOS: Den mporoyn dhladh aytoi oi dyo na kaqisoyn sto idio trapezi;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin pame sto qema toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia tis periodeies qa hqela na mas sxoliasete kai na mas peite pws mporei na antidrasei h kybernhsh se ayto poy synebh prin apo ligo. Sygkekrimena sth Barbakeio Agora o reporter toy ANT1 k. Panos Rwgoylhs mazi me to thleoptiko synergeio toy ANT1, prophlakisthkan apo toys kreopwles enw eixan paei gia na kalycoyn toys elegxoys toy EFET sto onoma toy reportaz alla kai yper ths prostasias twn katanalwtwn. Qa kanete kapoies energeies kai pws sxoliazete ayto to gegonos;

ANTWNAROS: Molis pro oligwn leptwn plhroforhqhka ki egw apo thn thleorash to en logw symban. Den exw plhrh eikona. Qelw na tonisw oti bebaiws oi dhmosiografoi sta plaisia ths eleyqerotypias kai twn kanonwn oi opoioi diepoyn thn askhsh toy epaggelmatos toys, alla kai me sebasmo pros toys nomoys oi opoioi isxyoyn, qa prepei na ergazontai anenoxlhta kai na syllegoyn tis plhrofories poy xreiazontai.

IWANNOY: To qema einai pio sobaro dioti o sygkekrimenos dhmosiografos brisketai sto astynomiko tmhma. Dexqhke prophlakismo. En ocei toy Pasxa einai logiko na ginontai reportaz gia tis times, gia thn ellhnopoihsh, gia diafora qemata poy aforoyn thn prostasia toy katanalwth.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw. Den exw ayth th stigmh plhrh eikona. Opws sas eipa, prin apo liga lepta enhmerwqhka.

IWANNOY: Qa antidrasete;

ANTWNAROS: Ekana mia topoqethsh, h opoia isxyei sto akeraio.

BLAXOS: Epeidh einai poly pio sobaro to qema kai afora thn Ellhnikh koinwnia kai oxi mono toys dhmosiografoys. Einai profanes oti kapoioi otan antidroyn kat` ayton ton tropo, oti kati qeloyn na krycoyn. Ki ayto poy qeloyn na krycoyn kapoioi einai kati kako gia th dhmosia ygeia kai to symferon toy Ellhna polith kai agorasth. Einai profanes, loipon, oti h kybernhsh prepei na parembei kai qelw na moy peite an qa to kanei me ayth th logikh gia na prostateyqei o aplos Ellhnas poliths apo tis ayqairesies poy kapoioi qeloyn na tis krycoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Bazete polla qemata mesa se mia topoqethsh.

BLAXOS: Bazw to qema ths prostasias toy Ellhna polith.

ANTWNAROS: O Ellhnas poliths, o Ellhnas katanalwths prostateyetai synexws apo th shmerinh kybernhsh kai eidika apo tis arxes, oi opoies exoyn oristei gia na ton prostateyoyn, me ola ekeina ta metra, me oloys ekeinoys toys elegxoys, me oloys ekeinoys toys tropoys oi opoioi problepontai apo th nomoqesia. Einai synexhs h egrhgorsh. Se polloys tomeis ta apotelesmata einai xeiropiasta.

IWANNOY: Th symperifora twn kreopwlwn@

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipota parapanw gia ena symban tis leptomereies toy opoioy den gnwrizw epakribws.

IWANNOY: Th symperifora omws twn kreopwlwn, nomizw mporeite na thn krinete.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ayth th stigmh kan plhrh eikona. Epifylassomai na sas apanthsw.

IWANNOY: Kai mono to gegonos ayto kaqayto. Th symperifora ayth twn kreopwlwn, kyrie Ekproswpe, thn egkrinete;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka hdh apo to prwto erwthma poy moy kanate. H topoqethsh moy htan safhs.

BLAXOS: Egw eida xqes ena reportaz sthn thleorash to opoio paroysiaze enan eisagwgea, kreatempora, o opoios paroysiaze kapoia arnia, kapoies qoles sfragides kai yphrxe dhlwsh ths Nomarxias kai toy EFET oi opoioi eipan to ejhs: Ton kyrio ayton, ton eixame piasei kai prin ligo kairo me sapia kreata kai twra ton janapianoyme me nea kreata ta opoia einai agnwstoy proeleysews. Einai profanes loipon oti kapoios sthn alysida ths prostasias twn politwn den kanei swsta th doyleia toy. Kai afhnetai enas o opoios piasthke prin apo ligo kairo me sapia kreata, na fernei alla kreata twn opoiwn den gnwrizoyme thn proeleysh. Einai profanes, loipon, oti kati strabo yparxei.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti oi sygkekrimenes yphresies, sto metro twn dynatothtwn toys, exoyn thn pagia entolh apo toys politikoys toys proistamenoys, na kanoyn o,ti prepei, o,ti epiballetai prokeimenoy na perifroyrhsoyn th dhmosia ygeia.

KAKALHS: Katarxhn entypwsiazei to gegonos oti 1,5 wra meta to peristatiko, meta toys prophlakismoys eis baros twn dhmosiografwn, eseis den exete na kanete para mono mia genikologh, xliarh qa th xarakthriza, dhlwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai diko sas qema, na xarakthrizete tis dhlwseis moy opws krinete.

KAKALHS: To erwthma einai to ejhs: Qewreite tyxaio to gegonos oti to teleytaio diasthma exoyn ayjhqei oi epiqeseis kai oi prophlakismoi kata twn dhmosiografwn poy kanoyn th doyleia toys, para tis frastikes ypotiqetai katadikes poy kanete eseis; Ara, mhpws den sas lambanoyn sobara ypoch kai giati den sas lambanoyn sobara ypoch;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Kakalh, exete mia tash -kai ayto epibebaiwnetai kai me th sygkekrimenh erwthsh- na genikeyete qemata, ta opoia exoyn to kaqena jexwrista th dikh toy ajia kai tis dikes toy parametroys.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla mazeyontai polla mazi omws.

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristws, na moy peite poia einai ta polla peristatika sta opoia h kybernhsh, kata thn apoch sas, den antedrase h den antedrase opws eprepe na antidrasei. Den nomizw oti yparxei tetoio symban.

KAKALHS: Na sas ta pw an qelete.

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti yparxoyn.

KAKALHS: Einai stoy Skaramagka, einai sthn EAB, einai sth Xio@

ANTWNAROS: To kaqena sas eipa, exei ta dika toy xarakthristika.

KAKALHS: Ola mazi deixnoyn ena klima.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, gia thn EAB poy anaferate, exw topoqethqei diaforetika. Sas parakalw. Mh dhmioyrgeite esfalmenes entypwseis.

KAKALHS: Einai h pragmatikothta.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den einai h pragmatikothta. To qema ths EAB me to qema toy Skaramagka einai dyo teleiws diaforetika qemata.

POYLIDOY: Lete oti den exete plhrh eikona gia toys dhmosiografoys. Mhpws gnwrizete gia ton EFET; Dioti ta reportaz deixnoyn oti prophlakhsan kai toys ypallhloys toy EFET poy eixan paei ekei kai einai dhmosioi ypallhloi.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti opoy yparxei paranomh prajh, qa epiblhqoyn oi kyrwseis poy prepei na epiblhqoyn. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia gi` ayto.

BLAXOS: Skefteste na kanete pio aysthres tis kyrwseis; Qelw na sas epishmanw oti edw erxetai enas typos kai leei ``fernw sapia kreata, oikonomaw 10 ekat. drx., moy dinei prostimo 1 ekat. kai bazw sthn tseph moy 9 ekat.. Janafernw nea sapia kreata, me janapianoyn, exw bgalei alla 20 ekat., plhrwnw 1 ekat. kai bazw 19 sthn tseph moy''. Mhpws edw paei kati straba kai eseis aplws afhnete toys kakomoiroys ypallhloys xwris na parembainete gia na kanete pio aysthroys elegxoys;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas den dexomai, se kamia periptwsh, th momfh oti afhnei h kybernhsh anejelegktoys orismenoys, elaxistoys, memonwmenoys emporoys, diakinhtes emporeymatwn, opws qelete peite toys, oi opoioi bebaiws kai den xarakthrizoyn th megalh pleiochfia twn anqrwpwn oi opoioi emporeyontai shmantika agaqa gia th dhmosia ygeia. Synepws, ola ta alla dhmioyrgoyn entypwseis.

POYLIDOY: Poia diadikasia ara qa akoloyqhqei apo edw kai pera, gia th diereynhsh aytoy toy peristatikoy;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth h diadikasia poy problepetai apo toys ellhnikoys nomoys. H ellhnikh nomoqesia einai yper arketh.

SIDERHS: Proxqes poy sas milhsa gia tritokosmiko twn dyo kommatwn, moy eipate oti den sebomai thn Koinoboyleytikh Dhmokratia.

ANTWNAROS: To idio lew kai shmera poy milate gia tritokosmikh symperifora twn kommatwn.

SIDERHS: Gia peite moy loipon ti einai otan h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh milaei gia soyhdiko montelo kai o ypoyrgos Oikonomias milaei gia irlandiko; Ellhniko qa breite;

ANTWNAROS: Qelete na sas diabasw akribws ti eipe o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias; Eipe loipon: ``Ena allo montelo poy egw qewrw oti einai pio katallhlo na to melethsei kapoios sta ellhnika plaisia, einai ayto ths Irlandias... Bebaiws, den mporei kapoios na to antigracei shmeio pros shmeio, alla yparxoyn didagmata''. Sas parakalw, loipon, na diabasete prosektika ti lene oi ypoyrgoi.

SIDERHS: Ta idia leei kai to PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Den exw na prosqesw apolytws tipote.

SIDERHS: Ayto poy eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs deixnei oti den yparxei aytogenes montelo anaptyjhs. Kai prostrexoyme ws tritokosmikoi sta boreioeyrwpaika montela.

ANTWNAROS: Adynatw na parakoloyqhsw osa eyrhmatika, kata kairoys, diatypwnete.

MPOTSARAKOS: Sxetika me toys prophlakismoys, qa hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh katadikazei toys prophlakismoys kata twn dhmosiografwn. Nai h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

MPOTSARAKOS: Den apanthsate ean toys katadikazete h oxi. Mas eipate pws prepei na doyleyoyn oi dhmosiografoi.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa poies eleyqeries prepei na apolambanoyn oi dhmosiografoi. Einai para poly safes ayto.

MPOTSARAKOS: Toys prophlakismoys toys katadikazete, nai h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei. Sas eipa oti oi dhmosiografoi prepei sta plaisia twn nomwn kai twn arxwn poy diepoyn thn askhsh toy dhmosiografikoy epaggelmatos, leitoyrghmatos, an protimate, na afhnontai eleyqeroi na kanoyn kala th doyleia toys. Ayto poy lew einai apolytws safes. Den nomizw oti epidexetai kamia apolytws amfisbhthsh.

BLAXOS: Na epanelqw sthn anafora toy k. Alogoskoyfh, sto qema toy irlandikoy monteloy. Ean katalaba kala, mas lete oti skeptetai h kybernhsh akoma kai to endexomeno na meiwsei th forologia sto 8 me 10% opws ginotan sthn Irlandia;

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora sta qemata meiwshs ths forologias, exoyn topoqethqei h kybernhsh kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs jekaqara. Osa, synepws, exei pei o ypoyrgos kai ginontai bhma-bhma prajh, ejakoloyqoyn na isxyoyn sto akeraio. Oi metarryqmiseis ths kybernhshs einai allwste ellhnikes metarryqmiseis, oi opoies efarmozontai sthn Ellada, gia to kalo twn Ellhnwn kai twn Ellhnidwn.

BLAXOS: Me dedomeno oti qewrw pws enas Ellhnas politikos kai malista otan einai kybernhsh, exei thn eyaisqhsia na bohqhsei ton polith na perasei me ligotera oikonomika problhmata th zwh toy. Qa hqela loipon na sas rwthsw, ti einai ayto poy sas empodizei san kybernhsh, me dedomeno oti exei ayjhqei h timh twn kaysimwn, na dwsete adeia sthn petrelaiokinhsh sthn Attikh kai sth Qessalonikh, kati poy qa exei san apotelesma, na meiwqei kata 30% to kostos metakinhshs pollwn sympolitwn mas.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete -kai fantazomai oti qa to gnwrizete giati jerw oti odhgeite kai odhgeite malista kala- h xwra mas exei th xamhloterh lianikh timh benzinhs sthn Eyrwph.

BLAXOS: Gia thn petrelaiokinhsh rwthsa.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema ths petrelaiokinhshs exoyme topoqethqei o k. Roysopoylos kai egw epaneilhmmenws. Den allazei tipote.

SIDERHS: Epeidh ayjanetai ragdaiws h timh toy petrelaioy, skopeyete na balete ena 5% eidiko foro. Ayto qa anablhqei h qa mpei ws to kalokairi;

ANTWNAROS: Milate gia 5% eidiko foro. Einai ypoxrewsh thn opoia exei@

SIDERHS: Nai, einai ypoxrewsh@

ANTWNAROS: Den einai eidikos foros.

SIDERHS: Den to katalogisa se sas. Einai ypoxrewsh ths xwras. Apla rwtaw an qa anablhqei h oxi. Eixe pei o k. Alogoskoyfhs arxes toy kalokairioy. Logw oti ayjanontai ragdaia oi times, rwtaw an prokeitai na anablhqei h oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw enhmerwqei oti yparxei kapoia allagh sta osa exei anakoinwsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

KAKALHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe epishs xqes, oti prepei na sygklinoyn oi dyo agores ergasias sto dhmosio kai ston idiwtiko tomea. Prepei oi ergazomenoi na metaphdoyn eykola apo to dhmosio ston idiwtiko tomea kai antistrofa. Ayth h anafora toy ypoyrgoy shmainei oti qetei qema arshs monimothtas pera apo toys neoeiserxomenoys kai gia toys ypoloipoys se ena orato prosexes diasthma;

ANTWNAROS: Kai pali h kybernhsh exei topoqethqei, me apolyth safhneia oson afora thn arsh ths monimothtas. Den allazei tipote.

KAKALHS: Tote giati epanerxetai o ypoyrgos diarkws kai kalliergei to edafos gia thn arsh ths monimothtas;

ANTWNAROS: Den kalliergei kanena edafos. O ypoyrgos ekane mia genikh topoqethsh. Den eipe tipote tetoio san kai ayto poy ypainisesqe.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylgaria qa syzhthsei to qema twn ydatwn toy Ebroy me toys Boylgaroys; Ena problhma poy to exoyme kaqe xrono kai kaqe fora ta idia ginontai. Mhpws qa syzhthsei na lysoyn kai ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Qa syzhthqoyn polla dimerh qemata. Den exw na sas pw tipote allo eidikotero. To qema ths yperxeilishs -sas to eixa pei otan proekycan ta sygkekrimena problhmata- einai ena qema poy apasxolei tis treis geitonikes xwres, edw kai polla xronia. Ginontai diaboyleyseis, ginontai synennohseis. Oi synennohseis, sto diplwmatiko epipedo, opws gnwrizete, exoyn mia sygkekrimenh diarkeia, den teleiwnoyn apo th mia hmera sthn allh. Den gnwrizw ean ayto einai qema aixmhs gia tis syzhthseis poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos. Pantws, syzhteitai metajy twn triwn kybernhsewn, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqei mia lysh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra, einai sthn atzenta ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas pw kati allo.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, giati o Prwqypoyrgos den epilegei na episkefqei kai omoroys nomoys, stoys opoioys yparxoyn ayth th stigmh kinhtopoihseis, antidraseis, problhmata kyriws apo toys agrotes; Kai qa hqela se ayto na prosqesw oti prin apo ligh wra o boyleyths sas k. Giannhs Manwlhs eipe oti antiqeta qa prepei o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh na phgainei stis perioxes opoy yparxoyn problhmata kai opoy oi katoikoi antimetwpizoyn problhmata. Giati den epeleje na paei o Prwqypoyrgos se aytoys toys nomoys;

ANTWNAROS: Opws eipa kai kata th xqesinh enhmerwsh, ston Prwqypoyrgo ypoballontai diafores protaseis sxetika me tis episkeceis, sxetika me to programma toy. Aytes oi protaseis ginontai antikeimeno epejergasias kai o Prwqypoyrgos katalhgei sta merh poy qa episkefqei. Allwste, o Prwqypoyrgos kai apo thn epoxh poy htan arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs episkeptotan olh thn Ellada. Ayth h symperifora synexizetai. O Prwqypoyrgos epeleje, ayth th fora, na paei sto Kilkis. To programma twn episkecewn toy qa synexistei. Otan yparxoyn alles episkeceis, qa anakoinwqoyn.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela aplws na rwthsw, dioti exei dhmioyrghqei mia tetoia aisqhsh: Apofeygei o Prwqypoyrgos na episkefqei nomoys opoy yparxoyn sobara problhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. O Prwqypoyrgos syzhta me para polloys foreis, me para polloys Ellhnes polites, problhmata, qemata poy yparxoyn kai ta opoia apasxoloyn thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

XIWTHS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean h desmeysh kai h ejaggelia poy exei kanei o Prwqypoyrgos -gia strofh sthn perifereia kai sta problhmata poy thn mastizoyn- ylopoieitai me ayth thn episkech opoy se treis hmeres poy qa brisketai sthn perioxh ths kentrikhs Makedonias afierwnei ena apogeyma gia to Kilkis kai dyo hmeres gia th Qessalonikh.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei kai sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis. Tis anakoinwsa pro oligoy. Opws th synanthsh me toys ypoyrgoys Politismoy, synanthseis me topikoys foreis sth Qessalonikh. Qa hqela na sas parakalesw na mhn ypobaqmizete th shmasia aytwn twn sygkekrimenwn synanthsewn. Epanalambanw oti o Prwqypoyrgos programmatizei kai alles episkeceis kai se alloys nomoys. Mesa se ayto to plaisio qa breqei se polla merh ths Elladas.

XIWTHS: Epeidh moy apodwsate eseis momfh oti ypobaqmizw th shmasia aytwn twn epafwn, den tis ypobaqmizw@

ANTWNAROS: Den to lew eidika gia esas, to eipa genika. To eipa rhtorika. Den to eipa me thn ennoia oti tis ypobaqmizete eseis.

XIWTHS: En pash periptwsei, qelw na sas pw oti den ypobaqmizw egw, alla qewrw oti apo th stigmh poy h idia h kybernhsh epanalambanei ana takta diasthmata thn ejaggelia ths oti qa strafei sthn perifereia, qewrw oti qa mporoyse sto programma toy na symperilhfqei kai kati parapanw, poy etsi kai alliws oi plhrofories mas einai oti eixe symperilhfqei arxikws kai oxi na synanthqei me to dhmarxo Qessalonikhs, ton opoio pro 15 hmerwn synanthse sto Megaro Majimoy.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh epikaleiste plhrofories, qelw na dieykrinisw: Kaqe plhroforia, kaqe leptomereia, h opoia anagrafhke tis teleytaies hmeres, ston Typo h se merida toy Typoy, sxetika me dhqen episkeceis, dhqen metabaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy se diafora merh ths Elladas, den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

XIWTHS: Gnwrizete an o Prwqypoyrgos ths Toyrkias qa episkefqei th Qessalonikh metajy 3 kai 5 Maioy poy qa ginei h Diabalkanikh Diaskech;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas anakoinwsw tipote sxetika me ayto to qema, ayth th stigmh.

XIWTHS: Epeidh ayto einai allh mia plhroforia poy exoyme poy, opws kai oi perissoteres poy exoyme, qa epibebaiwqei.

ANTWNAROS: Den epiqymw na antidikhsw mazi sas. Dystyxws, hsastan apwn xqes. Anaferqhka, omws, se plhrofories tis opoies anegrace h efhmerida sas to perasmeno Sabbato, sxetika me dhqen diorismoys kai eipa oti steroyntai kaqe bashs. Mhn epikaleiste, loipon, genika plhrofories, dioti kai egw mporw na anaferqw se dhqen plhrofories poy anegrafhsan kai stis opoies doqhke megalh ektash, xwris na exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Einai kai paraplanhtikes kai parapoioyn thn alhqeia banaysa.

XIWTHS: Epeidh den mporw na apanthsw gia to sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma, giati den eimai o syntakths kai den gnwrizw tis phges oswn exoyn graftei, se o,ti afora tis plhrofories poy anagrafei oxi mono h dikh moy efhmerida, alla kai alles efhmerides, gia tis episkeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, spaniws exoyn pesei ejw. Synhqws, o,ti proanaggelletai, epibebaiwnete.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw, loipon, epeidh polla grafthkan oti den yphrxe tetoios programmatismos gia episkeceis h epafes. Prokeitai gia apokyhmata fantasias.

XIWTHS: Giati den niwsate thn anagkh na ta diaceysete otan dhmosiopoioyntan stis topikes efhmerides; Epi mia ebdomada grafoyn gia episkeceis sthn Pella, sthn Hmaqia kai@

ANTWNAROS: Dioti erwtwmenos, xqes kai proxqes se aythn edw thn aiqoysa, gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eipa stoys paristamenoys synadelfoys sas oti qa anakoinwsw tis leptomereies otan aytes yparxoyn. Parola tayta, kai xqes kai shmera, ejakoloyqei ayth h parafilologia, xwris kamia bash.

KAKALHS: Epeidh eipate prohgoymenws oti h symperifora toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai h idia, opws kai otan htan arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs@

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti o Prwqypoyrgos, opws phgaine sthn perifereia ws arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs, etsi ejakoloyqei na phgainei kai twra. O Prwqypoyrgos, twra, bebaiws exei ayjhmena kaqhkonta kai ypoxrewseis. Exei kai alles poly perissoteres desmeyseis, oi opoies syndeontai me to ajiwma, me th qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths xwras. Ayto, allwste, to antilambanontai oloi. Alla, den diekoce pote tis episkeceis toy, eite se perioxes ths prwteyoysas, eite se perioxes ths perifereias.

KAKALHS: Mhpws prokeitai, loipon, kata th diarkeia ths episkechs toy sth boreia Ellada na stamathsei se kapoio xwrafi kai na milhsei me toys agrotes, opws ekane proeklogika h na stamathsei se kapoio apo ta dekades apolymena ergostasia kai na syzhthsei me toys ergazomenoys, giati h kybernhsh enqarrynei tis epixeirhseis na metakomizoyn ta ergostasia toys stis balkanikes xwres;

ANTWNAROS: Exete proqesh na parakoloyqhsete ton Prwqypoyrgo se ayto to tajidi toy;

KAKALHS: Egw, oxi. Den exw proqesh. Den thn kanei, omws, profanws gia mena thn periodeia toy. Thn kanei gia ta kanalia, opws ekane kai proeklogika.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas proetrepa, tote, na perimenete na deite ti epafes kai ti episkeceis qa pragmatopoihsei o Prwqypoyrgos.

KAKALHS: Ypainisseste ekplhjeis, dhladh.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den eipa kati tetoio kai den xrhsimopoihsa th lejh ``ekplhjeis''.

BLAXOS: Jerete ean qa metakinhqei o Prwqypoyrgos me elikoptero apo th Qessalonikh sto Kilkis;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tetoies leptomereies.

BLAXOS: Giati ean paei me aytokinhto, qa prepei na perasei apo th Nea Santa poy exei (den akoygetai) mploka gia ton ``Kappodistria'', katalabate;

GKOYTZANHS: Mias kai o logos peri elikopterwn, hqela na sas rwthsw: Thn Kyriakh h efhmerida ``TO PRWTO QEMA'' eixe ena qema oti h kybernhsh sxediazei thn agora pente aeroskafwn typoy ``Empraer'' kai dyo elikopterwn. Rwtw, skopeyei se tipota ayth h dapanh se periodo litothtas h aplws thn kalyterh kai pio polytelh metakinhsh twn ypoyrgwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai bebaios oti ola ta anagrafomena stoixeia sto en logw reportaz antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara, den to sxediazei; Arneiste thn eishghsh poy exei ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. H eishghsh, ean exei ginei eishghsh, den synepagetai aparaithta kai th lhch apofashs.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, yparxei anqrwpos dhladh poy eishgeitai spatalh xrhmatwn se periodo litothtas kai aytos brisketai se qesh kai mporei na kanei tetoies eishghseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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