Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-03-30

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Aqhna, 30 Martioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas rwthsw, ean symmerizeste thn apoch oti oi Kinezoi, epi Mao, ebrazan ta mwra kai ta xrhsimopoioysan gia lipasma.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw eidikes gnwseis gia eswterika qemata xwrwn poy briskontai malista toso makria. Ws dhmosiografos asxolhqhka kyriws me th Mesh Anatolh.

POYLIDOY: O k. Mperloyskoni isxyrizetai oti einai istoriko gegonos.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw eidikes gnwseis gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

BLAXOS: Pame se ena allo istoriko gegonos. Ap` o,ti katalaba xqes, o k. Karamanlhs eipe oti ginontan ypoklopes, aplws aytoi poy tis ekanan, oi ypallhloi ths EYP ennow, htan Pasokoi. Einai etsi, yparxei tetoio qema;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apodwsete me akribeia to sygkekrimeno apospasma, sto opoio anafereste.

BLAXOS: Eipe ston k. Papandreoy oti jerete, den allajame tipota apo to proswpiko ths EYP, oti oloi einai apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, ara Pasokoi, dhladh me kommatika krithria. Kai malista eipe kai ston k. Papandreoy, na mhn pw kai poios exei promhqeysei ayto to systhma@

ANTWNAROS: Qelete na sas diabasw to akribes apospasma, giati to exw mprosta moy;

BLAXOS: Ean mporeite.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws, an kai einai ektenes.

BLAXOS: Exoyme ypomonh.

ANTWNAROS: Leei, loipon, o Prwqypoyrgos: ``Prwton, egw ki emeis den katalabainoyme apo ypainigmoys, oyte anexomaste ypainigmoys kai misologa. An exete, an jerete kati, na bgeite kai na to peite eyqews kai anoikta. Den qelete na ta pate eseis sth Dikaiosynh; Balte kapoio stelexos sas na to kanei. Den qelete oyte ayto; Peite ta sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. Den qelete oyte ayto; Peite ta ston ellhniko lao''. Kai synexizei o Prwqypoyrgos: ``Kai, pantws, erwthmata san ayta poy qesate na ta ypobalete edw, stoys ypoyrgoys Dhmosias Tajhs twn dikwn sas kybernhsewn. Na rwthsete aytoys, ean ginontoysan synakroaseis. Ean yphrxan mhxanhmata. Pote hrqan ta mhxanhmata. Pws, pote kai poios ta promhqeythke. Kai kati akoma. Rwthste kai toys dioikhtes ths EYP poy eseis eixate diorisei. Giati, sto telos-telos ths grafhs, emeis den exoyme na krycoyme kai na fobhqoyme tipota. Rwthste opoion qelete. En pash periptwsei, einai gnwsto se oloys oti to 90% twn ergazomenwn sthn EYP, dioristhkan apo kybernhseis toy PASOK''.

BLAXOS: Ayto ti shmainei;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ermhneysw ton Prwqypoyrgo. Eseis ws dhmosiografos mporeite na kanete ermhneies.

BLAXOS: Otan leei o Prwqypoyrgos@

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, isxyei.

BLAXOS: Alla, emeis prepei na rwthsoyme gi` ayta poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Otan leei o Prwqypoyrgos ston arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, rwthste aytoys poy ergazontai sthn EYP, egw rwtw@

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos den eipe ayta.

BLAXOS: Ma eseis den to diabasate;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixe na pei o Prwqypoyrgos, to eipe xqes sth Boylh.

SIDERHS: Den katalaba thn apanthsh sas sthn k. Poylidoy. Yparxei dhladh periptwsh na ta ebrazan;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw istorikes anafores gia xwres twn opoiwn thn istoria den gnwrizw.

SIDERHS: Skepteste oti mporei na exei politikh diastash h apanthsh sas;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den mporw na anaferqw se eswterika qemata ths Kinas, ta opoia allwste den gnwrizw.

SIDERHS: Se kati allo: Antimetwpizei, ws ena apo ta endexomena, h kybernhsh na ginei tzami gia toys moysoylmanoys sto Monasthraki, sto palio tzami;

ANTWNAROS: H k. Mpakogiannh edwse safh apanthsh, erwthqeisa sxetika thn Trith to prwi, ejerxomenh toy Megaroy Majimoy.

SIDERHS: Kai to afhse anoixto. H kybernhsh qa to apodexqei; Yparxei ena skeptiko, an moy epitrepete.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote. Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwse h k. Mpakogiannh.

SIDERHS: To afhse anoixto.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia dikh sas ermhneia twn lexqentwn apo thn k. Mpakogiannh. Den sas amfisbhtw ayto to dikaiwma.

SIDERHS: H kybernhsh den to apokleiei;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe h k. Mpakogiannh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh eteqh to qema gia to tzami, symfwna me plhrofories, omws, h k. Marietta Giannakoy qewrei pws den einai armodiothta ths k. Mpakogiannh h dhmioyrgia tzamioy, moysoylmanikoy temenoys, alla einai diko ths qema, dhladh ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias.

ANTWNAROS: Epikoinwnhsate proswpika me thn k. Giannakoy;

PALAIOLOGOS: Symfwna me plhrofories. Qelete, kykloi ths Ypoyrgoy; Oi kykloi ths Ypoyrgoy. Den exw kanena problhma na to pw.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe h k. Mpakogiannh.

SIDERHS: Wraia, qelw th gnwmh ths kybernhshs. Oi moysoylmanoi exoyn kaqe dikaiwma na exoyn ena latreytiko xwro. Einai omws dynaton, to istoriko kai toyristiko kentro ths Aqhnas, na gemizei kaqe Paraskeyh h kaqe mera, me toyrmpania, kelempies kai manthloforoyses; Ekei poy erxontai oloi oi toyristes ths yfhlioy;

ANTWNAROS: Eseis prospaqeite na ekmaieysete topoqethsh.

SIDERHS: Ma, zhtw th gnwmh ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Diabaste prosektika th syntomh dhlwsh poy ekane h k. Mpakogiannh, ejerxomenh toy Megaroy Majimoy. H dhlwsh einai safhs: ``Den yparxoyn eilhmmenes apofaseis''.

KAKALHS: Me bash thn tritologia toy Prwqypoyrgoy xqes, gia tis ypoklopes, einai fanero oti o Prwqypoyrgos jerei ti enhmerwsh exei o Proedros toy PASOK apo toys dioikhtes ths dhmosias tajhs toy PASOK kai toys diorismenoys apo to PASOK. Ayta, akribws, giati den ta leei ston ellhniko lao gia na enhmerwqei kai o ellhnikos laos gyrw apo to poios diepraje tis ypoklopes, poios promhqeythke ta mhxanhmata kai ola ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Ermhneyete, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, ta osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kata to dokoyn. O Prwqypoyrgos leei -kai sas epanalambanw- oti osa stoixeia eixe h kybernhsh ta phge sth Dikaiosynh. Den yparxoyn alla stoixeia poy exei sth diaqesh ths h kybernhsh. Para poly apla pragmata. Kalei, loipon, ton k. Papandreoy kai ta stelexh toy PASOK, opoioys entelei isxyrizontai oti exoyn stoixeia, na ta dwsoyn sth Dikaiosynh, na ta dhmosiopoihsoyn.

KAKALHS: Ypainixqhke, omws, oti jerei kai ola ayta poy jerei o Proedros toy PASOK apo thn enhmerwsh poy eixe apo toys dioikhtes ths EYP.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora, oti osa stoixeia eixe h kybernhsh ta phge sth Dikaiosynh. O Prwqypoyrgos topoqethqhke jekaqara.

KAKALHS: Apo thn tritologia prokyptei oti jerei kati perissotero. Ayto lew.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokyptei kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: Ennoeite gia ypoklopes poy ginontan epi PASOK; Ayto ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, osa stoixeia exei gia th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh, ta exei steilei sth Dikaiosynh.

BLAXOS: To katalaba. Ennoeite oti exei stoixeia o Prwqypoyrgos kai apo ypoklopes poy ginontan epi kybernhsewn toy PASOK kai ta phge ston Eisaggelea; Ayto afhnete na ennohqei;

ANTWNAROS: Osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos einai safh. Den prokeitai na ermhneysw ton Prwqypoyrgo.

KYRITSHS: Oi kyrioi Apostolidhs -o opoios jekinhse epi PASOK kai synexise epi twn hmerwn twn dikwn sas- kai Koranths exoyn bebaiwsei thn kybernhsh oti h yphresia sthn opoia proistantai den kanei ypoklopes, nomimes h paranomes;

ANTWNAROS: Thn perasmenh ebdomada sas eipa safestata oti h EYP, opws kai oi alles yphresies toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, leitoyrgoyn sta plaisia ths keimenhs nomoqesias. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo panw se ayto.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na moy peite ti eishghseis exei h kybernhsh, ti idees exoyn pesei gia th xwroqethsh toy temenoys.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh otan labei mia apofash, qa thn koinopoihsei.

BLAXOS: H EYP leitoyrgei mesa sta nomima plaisia epi kybernhsews Neas Dhmokratias h panta;

ANTWNAROS: Milw gia th diakybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Den exw, omws, kanena logo, mh yparxontwn stoixeiwn gia to antiqeto, na pisteyw oti oi yphresies toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy den leitoyrgoyn sta plaisia ths keimenhs nomoqesias. Opoios exei stoixeia gia to antiqeto, den exei para na ta steilei sth Dikaiosynh.

BLAXOS: Ayto isxyei kai gia tis kybernhseis toy PASOK. Ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka safestata gi` ayto. Sas anefera oti mh yparxontwn stoixeiwn peri toy antiqetoy, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos den mporw na kathgorhsw kamia yphresia toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy oti den sebetai thn keimenh nomoqesia. Opoios exei stoixeia, den exei para na ta kataqesei sth Dikaiosynh.

LEONTITSH: Xqes, to ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs stamathse thn apospash toy nomikoy toy symboyloy k. Papaleloydh, o opoios empleketai sthn ypoqesh me tis paranomes yioqesies. Dedomenoy oti o k. Papaleloydhs einai ypallhlos ths Genikhs Grammateias Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs, pws qa xeiristeite to zhthma;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papaleloydhs htan apospasmenos, katopin aithsews toy, sto grafeio toy Genikoy Grammatea toy sygkekrimenoy ypoyrgeioy. H diakoph ths apospashs ginetai me sygkekrimenh diadikasia, h opoia kai prepei na oloklhrwqei. H Dikaiosynh qa epilhfqei toy qematos kai qa efarmostoyn oles oi diatajeis poy problepontai apo thn keimenh nomoqesia.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia thn paranomh diakinhsh brefwn. Ean problhmatizetai h kybernhsh, dioti orismena zeygaria odhgoyntai se ayth thn paranomia, sthn prospaqeia toys na yioqethsoyn kapoio paidi. Yparxoyn se ola ta orfanotrofeia polla paidia. Oi diadikasies poy zhtoyn oi armodioi gia tis yioqesies katantoyn se polles periptwseis apanqrwpes. Skeptetai h kybernhsh na allajei to plaisio gia na mporoyn na ginoyn eykoloteres yioqesies, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h paranomh diakinhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio.

SARANTAKOS: Qa hqela na moy peite ti logoi epebalan th metabash sth Rwmh 35 stelexwn ths kybernhshs kai ths Neas Dhmokratias kai an qewreite oti aytos o ariqmos einai logikos. Giati plhroforhqhka oti metabainoyn kai stelexh apo to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, o Grammateas, o Grammateas Politikoy Sxediasmoy, h Grammateas Gynaikwn kai ypoyrgoi.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy moy eipate, anairei ayto poy molis isxyristhkate. Den gnwrizw ean to antilambaneste.

SARANTAKOS: Gia dieykriniste to.

ANTWNAROS: To Taktiko Synedrio toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos einai kommatikh ekdhlwsh.

SARANTAKOS: Egw sas rwthsa gia ton ariqmo.

ANTWNAROS: H Nea Dhmokratia metexei, edw kai polla xronia, sto Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma kai paristatai sta Synedria, opws metexoyn kai ola ta eyrwpaika kommata poy einai melh toy ELK, to opoio shmeiwteon fetos giortazei ta 30 xronia apo thn idrysh toy. Allwste, qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti o Prwqypoyrgos k. Karamanlhs mexri protinos htan kai antiproedros toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos. Fetos, pragmatopoieitai sth Rwmh to 30o Taktiko Synedrio toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos sto opoio fysika metexei kai h Nea Dhmokratia me sygkekrimeno ariqmo melwn kai chfwn. Skopeyoyme na ajiopoihsoyme, me ton kalytero dynato tropo, tis chfoys poy diaqetoyme sto Synedrio.

POYLIDOY: Dekato ebdomo Synedrio.

ANTWNAROS: Swsta. Prokeitai gia dikh moy paradromh. Einai to 17o Synedrio, to opoio sympiptei me th symplhrwsh 30 etwn apo thn idrysh toy ELK.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ti ennoeite ``na ajiopoihsoyme tis chfoys poy diaqetoyme sto Synedrio''; Dhladh, na to kanw pio sygkekrimeno, qa eklegei se kapoio organo toy ELK Ellhnas; Qa yparjei, dhladh, ellhnikh ypochfiothta;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na enhmerwqeite gia to pws ginontai oi diadikasies ekloghs kai oi chfofories sto ELK, gia na diapistwsete osa sas eipa: Giati, dhladh, metexoyme me sygkekrimeno ariqmo melwn kai chfwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw rwthsa allo. Qa yparjei ekproswphsh apo Ellhna; Dhladh, qa yparjei ypochfiothta apo Ellhna se kapoia qesh, toy Grammatea, toy Antiproedroy, opws htan o k. Meimarakhs, opws htan o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: As perimenoyme tis chfofories.

BLAXOS: H kybernhsh epiqymei thn epaneklogh toy k. Mperloyskoni h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den anameignyetai se eswterikes ypoqeseis jenwn xwrwn.

BLAXOS: Den qa dei o k. Karamanlhs ton k. Mperloyskoni; Qa toy eyxhqei kalh epityxia h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. H kybernhsh, opws oles oi kybernhseis, den anameignyetai stis eswterikes ypoqeseis allwn xwrwn.

MANH: O k. Boyrloymhs milhse xqes gia plhrh idiwtikopoihsh toy OTE. Einai programmatikh qesh ths kybernhshs h idiwtikopoihsh toy OTE;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h dhlwsh poy ekane prosfata o armodios ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfhs: Oti den yparxei qema peraiterw idiwtikopoihshs toy OTE kata to trexon etos. Gia qemata idiwtikopoihsewn thn apofasistikh armodiothta exei h kybernhsh.

MANH: Den rwtw gia to trexon etos, alla gia to epomeno.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa: Gia qemata idiwtikopoihsewn apofasizei h kybernhsh. Otan exoyme kati qa sas to anakoinwsoyme. O k. Alogoskoyfhs exei topoqethqei poly prosfata.

KAKALHS: Ara, afhnete anoikto to endexomeno an oxi ton epomeno xrono, toylaxiston sthn epomenh qhteia, ean hsaste kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero ap` ayta poy eipa.

SARANTAKOS: Stis 4 Aprilioy, to qema ths O.A. qa syzhthqei sto Kolegio Epitropwn. Aytoi oi perifhmoi ependytes gia toys opoioys o k. Doykas kai monon exei milhsei, jeroyme poioi einai telika;

ANTWNAROS: To qema brisketai se ena poly lepto kai eyaisqhto stadio. Synepws den prokeitai na kanoyme dhmosia syzhthsh gia to qema ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. H syzhthsh afora mia diadikasia, poy brisketai se ejelijh. Ginontai diaboyleyseis metajy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai stelexwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs. Otan oloklhrwqoyn kai otan wrimasoyn oi diadikasies, qa ginoyn sxetikes anakoinwseis.

SARANTAKOS: Mhn moy peite onomata, monon ean exoyn breqei oi ependytes;

ANTWNAROS: Otan wrimasoyn oi diadikasies qa ginoyn sxetikes anakoinwseis.

SARANTAKOS: Den apasxolei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti oi synqhkes mporei na mhn exoyn wrimasei, alla se liges meres qa ginei mia syzhthsh kai endexomenws parapomph ths Elladas sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema poy endeiknytai gia dhmosia syzhthsh sto stadio poy brisketai.

BLAXOS: Yparxei dhmosia syzhthsh metajy toy k. Alogoskoyfh kai toy k. Doyka. O k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe oti den qa xaqei to onoma, o k. Doykas, omws, eipe oti den mporei na diaswqei to onoma, ginetai mono mia prospaqeia na diaswqoyn ta xrwmata kai oi kykloi. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: @O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias to eipa. Den exw na prosqesw tipote.

BLAXOS: Gia th dhmosia acimaxia metajy toy k. Kaklamanh pros ton k. Abramopoylo. O k. Kaklamanhs eipe sth NET oti egw den mporw na apanthsw se o,ti leei o kaqenas, oyte se mikropolitikh.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tis dhlwseis olwn twn stelexwn.

BLAXOS: Sas problhmatizei ayth h antiparaqesh Kaklamanh-Abramopoyloy; Pisteyete oti egkymonei kindynoys gia ton k. Kaklamanh h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Sth dioikhsh twn ypoyrgeiwn yparxei synexeia. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia gi ayto.

BLAXOS: Egkymonei, omws, kindynoys ayth h antiparaqesh gia ton k. Kaklamanh kai thn prospaqeia toy na eklegei sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Kaklamanhs exei analabei, ws ypochfios Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn, enan allo shmantiko rolo. Proetoimazetai katallhla gia ayto ton rolo kai h proetoimasia paei poly kala

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Gnwrizete pote qa erqei o Babylhs sthn Ellada;

ANTWNAROS: Sas einai gnwsth h xqesinh anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. Ap` o,ti antilambanomai einai qema ryqmishs texnikwn leptomereiwn, pleon, giati to dikastiko qema exei oloklhrwqei.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh deixnei spoydh gia na jekinhsei o dialogos gia to asfalistiko, wstoso, thn idia stigmh, den kanei tipota, den exei kanei to paramikro gia na antimetwpizei thn eisforodiafygh, h opoia anerxetai sta 4,5 dis eyrw to xrono kai malista exei ayjhqei sta xronia ths N.D. Epishs, den kanei tipota gia na apodwsei ta xreh toy dhmosioy pros ta tameia. Gi ayto den xreiazetai kanenas dialogos. Exei na pei kati gi ayto h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei kalesei ola ta emplekomena merh, toys koinwnikoys foreis, ta kommata na kanoyme oloi mazi th diagnwsh poy apaiteitai gia to asfalistiko. Na broyme ekeines tis staqeres poy einai aparaithtes, wste na syzhthqoyn ta problhmata, poy oloi anagnwrizoyn oti yparxoyn, sxetika me to asfalistiko kai na mhn to metakylisoyme -opws den exoyme dikaiwma na to kanoyme- stis epomenes genies. Eimaste apofasismenoi na kanoyme ayto to dialogo me oloys toys emplekomenoys, koinwnikoys foreis kai kommata. Kai o dialogos aytos qa ginei me opoion proselqei kai qelei na kanei dialogo.

KAKALHS: Ti rolo qa paijei o dialogos apo th stigmh poy den mporeite na antimetwpisete to qema ths forodiafyghs;

ANTWNAROS: To sygkekrimeno qema poy anaferete einai mia mono parametros toy asfalistikoy.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla einai qema kaqara politikhs boylhshs h exei thn boylhsh h kybernhsh kai ftiaxnei mhxanismoys gia na to antimetwpisei h oxi. Ayto einai to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

MOYRTHS: Opws exete pei kyrie Ekproswpe, kai eseis kai oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi, to asfalistiko den prokeitai na lyqei se ayth thn tetraetia. Mexri na lyqei loipon to asfalistiko, oi eisforodiafyges kai ta xreh pros ta asfalistika tameia -kai kyriws pros to IKA- qa paramenoyn sth shmerinh katastash h qa ginei kati gia na antimetwpistei kai ti qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Ginontai sygkekrimenes prospaqeies. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio gia na sas kanoyn leptomerh analysh twn metrwn ta opoia lambanontai. Shmasia exei na dhmioyrghsoyme tis proypoqeseis gia oysiastiko noikokyrema toy asfalistikoy systhmatos sthn Ellada.

MOYRTHS: Poios sas empodizei na to kanete;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa hdh: Mesa apo to dialogo eimai bebaios oti qa prokycoyn oles ekeines oi parametroi poy prepei na antimetwpistoyn. Einai para polles oi parametroi, den einai mia, san ki ayth poy eseis molis pro oligoy apomonwsate.

BLAXOS: Mporeite na kanete ena sxolio gia to gegonos oti einai akarph h synanthsh GSEE-SEB-Ergodotwn kai qa epanalhfqei th Deytera;

ANTWNAROS: Briskw idiaitera qetiko to oti qa epanalhfqei o dialogos th Deytera. Opws sas exoyme pei h kybernhsh sthrizei to dialogo metajy twn dyo pleyrwn, opws sthrizei to dialogo se polla alla epipeda, me thn proqesh bebaiws poy prepei na exoyn oi pleyres na broyn enan koino paronomasth, se ena qema poy proseggizoyn profanws apo diaforetikes optikes gwnies. Exoyme mia synexish toy dialogoy.

BLAXOS: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo th xqesinh maxh arxhgwn sth Boylh; Dhladh qewrei oti einai mesa sto epipedo toy dialogoy na leei o enas ton allo -kai apo tis dyo pleyres ennow, kai tis dyo pleyres epikrinw- ``toyrista'';

ANTWNAROS: Egine mia syzhthsh sth Boylh, kata thn opoia h kybernhsh me apolyth safhneia apedeije se osoys me kalh prodiaqesh hqelan na parakoloyqhsoyn ayta poy eipwqhkan, oti kai apotelesmatiko ergo kanei kai lyseis dinei kai den afhnei poyqena, se kanenan tomea, na pesei skia.

BLAXOS: Kai gia ton xarakthrismo ``toyristas'', poy eipe o k. Karamanlhs gia ton k. Papandreoy kai o k. Papandreoy gia ton k. Karamanlh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote allo.

KAKALHS: Epeidh eipate oti h kybernhsh dinei lyseis, mporeite na mas peite poies lyseis qa dwsei h kybernhsh gia toys 2.170.000 syntajioyxoys poy exoyn mesh kyria syntajh 475 eyrw;

ANTWNAROS: Einai gnwsto oti h kybernhsh exei analabei mia titania prospaqeia, na noikokyrecei thn oikonomia, na thn apallajei apo th baria klhronomia twn prosfatwn kybernhsewn toy PASOK. Stoxos ayths ths prospaqeias, poy opws sas exoyme pei polles fores den einai aytoskopos, einai na dhmioyrghqoyn ekeines oi synqhkes, poy qa epitrecoyn se oloys toys Ellhnes na epwfelhqoyn se baqos xronoy apo ena staqero oikonomiko periballon.

KAKALHS: Poio baqos xronoy ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: H ekfrash poy xrhsimopoihsa einai safestath.

KAKALHS: Makroproqesma oloi qa eimaste nekroi, logika.

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh qelei na noikokyrecei thn oikonomia. Kai den exei skopo na epanalabei o,ti ekanan oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis toy PASOK poy edinan lefta me daneika kai eixan meta adeia tameia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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