Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-03-27

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Aqhna, 27 Martioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, stis 10:00, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs Dhmhtrh Sioyfa stis 11:00 qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qema tis Ananewsimes Phges Energeias.

Opws gnwrizete, stis 13 Febroyarioy, o Prwqypoyrgos sygkalese epitroph, apartizomenh apo toys kaqhghtes Dhmhtrio Tsatso, omotimo kaqhghth toy Panteioy Panepisthmioy, Niko Androylakh, omotimo kaqhghth toy Panepisthmioy Aqhnwn, Iwannh Manwledakh, omotimo kaqhghth toy Aristoteleioy Panepisthmioy Qessalonikhs, Antwnio Manitakh, kaqhghth Syntagmatikoy Dikaioy sto Aristoteleio Panepisthmio Qessalonikhs, Xrhsto Kacalh, kaqhghth toy Eqnikoy Metsobioy Polytexneioy kai Panagiwth Tsanaka, kaqhghth toy Eqnikoy Metsobioy Polytexneioy, prokeimenoy na ejetasei to krisimo qema ths diasfalishs toy aporrhtoy twn thlepikoinwniwn kai na ekqesei tis apoceis ths gia to isxyon qesmiko plaisio kai gia to kata poso to isxyon dikaio, parexei th bash eparkoys prostasias twn politwn.

Shmera, h epitroph twn kaqhghtwn synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai toy epedwse to keimeno ths gnwmateysh ths. To plhres keimeno sas exei hdh moirastei, enw dianemhqhkan epishs ta plhrh keimena twn eishghsewn twn anejarthtwn arxwn, ths Eqnikhs Epitrophs Thlepikoinwniwn kai Taxydromeiwn kai ths Arxhs Diasfalishs Aporrhtoy Epikoinwniwn. Qa kanw mia syntomh anafora, giati htan poly ligos o xronos poy eixa sth diaqesh moy gia na anagnwsw to keimeno twn kaqhghtwn. Den qa ypeiselqw sta keimena twn dyo anejarthtwn arxwn. Qa kanw thn anafora mono gia dikh sas ypobohqhsh, se orismena apo ta shmeia toy keimenoy twn kaqhghtwn. Einai kaqara proswpikh ektimhsh. Parakalw, na eklhfqei ws tetoia, giati mporei na yparxoyn shmeia shmantikotera apo ayta poy exw epishmanei egw. Den qelw na odhghsw th skech sas kapoy. Se kaqe periptwsh, afoy exete to keimeno, qa bgalete ta dika sas symperasmata.

Prwto shmeio: Sta perissotera krath, opws sth Germania, th Gallia, to Hnwmeno Basileio, thn Italia -th sxetikh nomoqesia twn opoiwn episkophse sygkritika h epitroph- problepontai aysthroteres kyrwseis, analogws me to an h paranomh prajh synteleitai apo fysiko h nomiko proswpo h apo proswpiko h ypallhlo forea ston opoio exei anateqei h prostasia toy aporrhtoy h apo idiwtiko ereynhth, dhladh ntetektib.

Deytero shmeio: O nomoqeths prepei na parakoloyqei diarkws thn ejelissomenh texnologikh proodo kai toys ej ayths kindynoys wste na einai se qesh na prosarmosei, ean xreiastei, tis isxyoyses ryqmiseis. Kai ayto giati toso h nomotypikh morfh toy hlektronikoy egklhmatos kai oi problepomenes poines kalyptoyn kata bash tis pashs fysews mexri shmera emfanizomenes apeiles.

Trito shmeio: Sthn epitroph ekfrasthke h apoch gia thn anagkh syntonismoy twn anejarthtwn arxwn, wste na mhn parathroyntai allhlokalyceis kai kena sth leitoyrgia toys ta opoia qa mporoysan na exoyn arnhtiko antiktypo sthn apotelesmatikothta toys.

Tetarto shmeio: Proteinetai h amesh diejagwgh enos eqnikoy dialogoy, me qema thn eleyqeria kai thn asfaleia twn epikoinwniwn metajy olwn twn endiaferomenwn forewn, me skopo thn antallagh apocewn gia thn katastrwsh eqnikhs politikhs ston tomea ayto kai gia thn enhmerwsh twn politwn. H prwtoboylia ayth, qa mporoyse na syndyastei me th diorganwsh dieqnwn synanthsewn h synedriwn h me thn prokhryjh ereynhtikwn programmatwn me sygkekrimenoys kai braxyproqesmoys stoxoys. Oi anejarthtes arxes mporoyn na diadramatisoyn edw prwtagwnistiko rolo kai na analaboyn ton syntonismo twn sxetikwn prwtoboyliwn. Sygkekrimena, gia ton apotelesmatiko elegxo toy aporrhtoy, metajy allwn, proteinetai: Prwton, stoys skopoys ths ADAE na perilhfqei kai h asfaleia twn dhmosiwn diktywn epikoinwnias kai twn dedomenwn ths epikoinwnias. Deyteron, h ADAE na mporei na probainei ston elegxo ths asfaleias toy diktyoy kai forewn poy diaqetoyn eswterika diktya h idiwtika thlefwnika kentra efoson diatypwnetai epwnymh kataggelia parabiashs toy aporrhtoy.

Symperasmatika, h epitroph katalhgei oti:

Kamia nomoqethsh den wfelei an den ejeyreqoyn h enisxyqoyn ekeinoi oi qesmoi poy den qa epitrepoyn na egklwbizontai ta diktya kai ta systhmata epikoinwnias kai na parabiazetai to aporrhto twn xrhstwn toys, estw ejairetika gia shmantikoys logoys asfaleias h yperexoysas skopimothtas, pera apo toys oroys, tis proypoqeseis kai th diadikasia poy aysthra kai perioristika problepei o nomos.

Oi gnwmodotikes prwtoboylies, paroti einai anagkaies, den einai apo mones toy ikanes na diasfalisoyn apolyth prostasia toy polith.

Akomh kai o prolhptikos elegxos, oso aysthros kai an einai, einai elegxos statikos, afora dhladh th sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh poy dienergeitai kai ara den parexei plhrh prostasia.

H ypoqesh ths proaspishs twn eleyqeriwn kai ths asfaleias twn politwn kai ths politeias einai ypoqesh eqnikh poy yperbainei tis kommatikes antiparaqeseis kai tis politikes twn ekastote kybernhsewn.

H endynamwsh twn qesmwn, alla kyriws h symmetoxh kai h afypnish toy polith einai oi kaqoristikes synistwses gia ton periorismo, an oxi gia thn ejaleich fainomenwn, poy plhttoyn th dhmokratikh syneidhsh olwn mas.

Parallhla me to porisma, opws eipa, exoyn katateqei ta porismata twn dyo anejarthtwn arxwn. Sth synanthsh htan parwn o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Anastasios Papalhgoyras. O k. Liaphs den htan parwn, dioti apoysiaze se aneilhmmenh ypoxrewsh. Wstoso, ta dyo ypoyrgeia, to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs kai to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn, ws synarmodia qa orisoyn nomoparaskeyastikh epitroph, h opoia qa labei bebaiws ypoch ths, tis protaseis ths epitrophs twn eji kaqhghtwn kai fysika tis protaseis twn dyo anejarthtwn arxwn. Sas eipa polla, isws, alla sto xrono poy eixa den mporesa na dwsw mia pio syntomh apotimhsh twn protasewn. Epanalambanw omws oti exete sth diaqesh sas ta keimena twn protasewn kai bebaiws qa bgalete ta dika sas symperasmata. H Politeia, h kybernhsh, se ayto to meizon qema, zhthse th gnwmh anqrwpwn egnwsmenoy kyroys, me megalh empeiria sto xwro toys. Kai th gnwmateysh toys qa th labei sobara ypoch ths sth nomoparaskeystikh epitroph kai sthn paraskeyh toy nomoy, o opoios qa katateqei sth synexeia sth Boylh gia na symplhrwsei ta tyxon kena sto nomoqetiko mas plaisio, opws akribws eixame pei apo thn prwth stigmh paroysiashs ayths ths ypoqeshs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Ap` o,ti akoysa o k. Tsatsos eipe oti to nomoqetiko plaisio einai eparkestato, ara, einai profanes oti afhnei aixmh oti enw yphrxe to qesmiko plaisio, den efarmosthke, profanws apo armodioys ypoyrgoys, profanws apo ton armodio ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs, gia na antimetwpistei to qema twn ypoklopwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Tsatsos. Wstoso, sas anefera hdh thn ypoqesh ths eparkeias nomoqetikoy plaisioy, opws thn anaferei h epitroph twn eji kaqhghtwn. Kai sas eipa oti proteinetai, metajy allwn, h enisxysh, opoy einai aparaithto, ayths ths nomoqesias. Leei dhladh sto shmeio 2: O nomoqeths prepei na parakoloyqei diarkws thn ejelissomenh texnologikh proodo kai toys ej ayths kindynoys, wste na einai se qesh na anaprosarmosei, an xreiastei, tis isxyoyses ryqmiseis. Kai ayto giati toso h nomotypikh morfh toy hlektronikoy egklhmatos kai oi problepomenes poines, kalyptoyn kata bash tis pashs fysews mexri shmera emfanizomenes apeiles. Epishs, apo mia poly grhgorh matia poy erija stis protaseis twn anejarthtwn arxwn, qa deite oti yparxoyn protaseis peri aysthropoihshs h oxi toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy. Einai sigoyra diaforetikes oi apoceis poy akoygontai. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, h nomoparaskeyastikh epitroph qa labei sobara ypoch ths oles aytes tis proseggiseis.

BLAXOS: Gia tis eyqynes ypoyrgwn den moy apanthsate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixe kai deytero skelos to erwthma sas; Den to katalaba.

BLAXOS: Profanws afhnoyn aixmes oti yparxoyn eyqynes ypoyrgwn oti den egine kati swsta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti adikws bazete yponoies sto stoma h sth skech twn kaqhghtwn ths epitrophs, h opoia to mono ergo poy eixe kai ayto to rolo ejhntlhse, htan na diatypwsei protaseis gia to nomoqetiko plaisio kai oxi na gnwmodothsei epi ths gnwsths ypoqesews, h opoia allwste einai sta xeria ths Dikaiosynhs.

MPOTSARAKOS: Ap` o,ti katalabame apo ta shmeia poy mas diabasate, akomh kai o prolhptikos elegxos, symfwna me thn epitroph twn kaqhghtwn, den parexei plhrh prostasia, dhladh, den mporei na apotrapei to endexomeno na yparjoyn ypoklopes sto mellon, akomh kai an qwrakistei peraiterw to qesmiko plaisio kai ean endynamwqoyn oi anejarthtes arxes, an katalaba kala.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai thn prohgoymenh parathrhsh toy synadelfoy sas an dexqw, dhladh oti einai eparkes to nomoqetiko plaisio, eixame mia ypoqesh para thn eparkeia toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy opws epishmanqhke. Kata synepeia, opws exoyme pei kai se alles periptwseis me th filosofikh proseggish poy kanoyn oi kaqhghtes sto qema epibebaiwnetai ayto poy exoyme pei para polles fores sthn aiqoysa ayth: Oi nomoi yparxoyn gia na antimetwpizoyn ta egklhmata, alla ayto den shmainei oti h egklhmatikothta ejaleifetai mia kai kalh, epeidh yparxoyn oi nomoi. Kapoios nomos einai sigoyra shmantikh bohqeia sthn Politeia, sta ektelestika ths organa. Einai sigoyra shmantikh bohqeia na exei ginei problech epi olwn twn qematwn kai eidika se qemata poy h texnologia allazei poly grhgora. Alla apo ena nomo, opws gnwrizete, pote den ejaleifqhke to egklhma. Kai ayto einai istorikh katagrafh se oloklhrh thn anqrwpothta.

SIDERHS: Otan o k. Tsitoyridhs xtypa ws komanto Paraskeyh brady, paramonh 25hs Martioy, me th gnwsth tropologia, einai profanws sta plaisia toy dialogoy poy exei yposxeqei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ergazomenoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na kanw dyo parathrhseis se ayto to qema: Prin apo ligh wra, edwse synenteyjh Typoy gi` ayto to qema o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfhs kai exei apanthsei se ola ta erwthmata. To mono poy qa apanthsw edw, giati h erwthsh sas ypexei aixmh enanti ypoyrgoy kai ara kai ths kybernhshs, einai oti se kamia periptwsh den egine ayto poy perigrafete. Milame gia nomoqetikh ryqmish, h opoia problepetai apo to N. 3371/2005 kai h opoia katateqhke stis 13.15 thn Paraskeyh. Ean qelete na sas anaferw orismena epipleon stoixeia gia th nomoqetikh ayth ryqmish, efoson sas endiaferei to qema h den to gnwrizete, na to kanw, paroti sas anefera oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs exei hdh anaferqei analytika sth synenteyjh Typoy poy paraxwrhse prin apo ligh wra.

SPYRAKH: Dedomenoy twn antidrasewn twn trapezoypallhlwn, gia na akribologw ths OTOE poy exei prokhryjei gia shmera kai ayrio apergia sthn Emporikh Trapeza kai panelladikh apergia ayrio se oles tis trapezes, qelw na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh protiqetai na janasyzhthsei to periexomeno ths tropologias h afhnei anoikto to endexomeno gia thn aposyrsh ths, giati synanta poly megalh antidrash.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh qewrei adikaiologhth kai isws yperbolikh thn antidrash ths OTOE gia th nomoqetikh ryqmish poy kateqesan oi ypoyrgoi Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias gia thn entajh stis ryqmiseis toy N.3371/2005 twn asfalismenwn toy TEAPETE, dhladh twn ergazomenwn sthn Emporikh Trapeza kai sthn Trapeza Peiraiws. H poreia entajhs sthn periptwsh ayth arxise hdh -kai ayto to gnwrizoyn oloi apo to kalokairi toy 2005- kai proxwra kanonika, symfwna me tis ryqmiseis toy N.3371/2005 poy proanefera, epeita apo th nomimh kataggelia ths dioikhshs ths Emporikhs Trapezas, thn aporrich twn asfalistikwn metrwn kai thn ayjhsh toy metoxikoy kefalaioy ths Emporikhs Trapezas. Ara, loipon, oyden aifnidiastiko h oyden aparaskeyo se o,ti afora ayth thn ypoqesh.

XIWTHS: Qymamai poly kala ton Prwqypoyrgo na dhlwnei stis Bryjelles otan erwthqhke gia to ean protiqetai h kybernhsh na perikocei programmata prowrhs syntajiodothshs, na leei oti den prokeitai na ginei tipote allo peran toy nomoy poy chfisthke perysi to kalokairi ews otoy oloklhrwqei o dialogos gia to asfalistiko. H kataqesh ths tropologias den anairei ayth toy th dhlwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milame gia kataqesh nomoqetikhs ryqmishs, h opoia -epanalambanw- problepotan apo ton prohgoymeno nomo. Qelw, omws, na sas anaferw kathgorhmatika oti den qigetai kanena kekthmeno dikaiwma poy afora stis proypoqeseis syntajhs kai sto ycos twn syntajewn. Gia toys apo 1/1/1993 qa isxysei o N.2084/1992 kai se ayton profanws anaferontai. O N.2084/1992, an kai einai ypoxrewtikos gia ola ta tameia, den efarmozotan mexri shmera sta tameia twn trapezoypallhlwn.

PAPAGIANNHS: Sto ypomnhma poy exoyme edw mprosta mas kai poy to diabazoyme oloi twra, sto tetarto kefalaio yparxei mia politikh diapistwsh: Na apofeyxqoyn aprosektes kinhseis kai lhceis bebiasmenwn metrwn kai na mh doqoyn grhgores, eykoles kai proxeires lyseis, oi opoies endexomenws na dhmioyrghsoyn katastaseis poy na ekqetoyn dieqnws th xwra, lene edw oi kaqhghtes. Blepete pws yparxei mia sygkekrimenh anafora h yponooyn kati sxetika me toys xeirismoys ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To kyros kai h empeiria twn sygkekrimenwn kaqhghtwn qa toys odhgoyse, ean hqelan na poyn kati eyqews, na to poyn eyqews. Mhn toys ypotimoyme, qewrwntas oti exoyn ypainiktika stoixeia sthn protash toys. H protash toys einai jekaqarh. Sth diaygeia ayths ths protashs kaneis den mporei na diakrinei para mono tis agnes proqeseis olwn na bohqhsoyn se mia ypoqesh, opws toys zhthqhke -ypenqymizw- apo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

PAPAGIANNHS: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada sas eixame rwthsei, sas eixame zhthsei na sxoliasete diafora dhmosieymata ta opoia sas aforoysan se proswpiko kai oxi politiko epipedo. Eidame kata th diarkeia toy Sabbatokyriakoy nea dhmosieymata h endexomenws kai nea stoixeia, an einai stoixeia. Ayto qa to krinete eseis. Exete na mas peite kati neotero;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa kai egw thn epanalhch twn idiwn qematwn. Qelw na pw, gia allh mia fora, oti me ekfrazei h dhlwsh poy exw kanei edw kai polloys mhnes kai paramenei h idia.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti den qigetai kanena kekthmeno dikaiwma twn trapezoypallhlwn. Wstoso, omws, me to N.3371/2005 problepetai gia toys proslhfqentes meta to 1993 meiwsh twn syntajewn kata 15% kai ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias kata 15 xronia kyriws stis gynaikes kai kata 10 xronia stoys ypoloipoys. Ayto poy eipate den antifaskei me ton idio to nomo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H erwthsh toy k. Xiwth htan ``ean h sygkekrimenh nomoqetikh ryqmish qigei syntagmatika katoxyrwmena dikaiwmata''. Den qigei kanena syntagmatika katoxyrwmeno dikaiwma. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Ean me rwtate se sxesh me to N.3371/2005, qa sas pw oti exoyme kanei poly megalh syzhthsh kai se ayth thn aiqoysa kai o tote armodios ypoyrgos gia thn anagkh efarmoghs ryqmisewn, opws aytes poy proeblepe o N.3371. Mh jexname ti akribws prospaqhse o N.3371 na lysei ws problhma kai ti lynei ws problhma. Einai mia seira qematwn poy aforoyn ryqmiseis poy eprepe na lhfqoyn apo thn epibolh twn dieqnwn logistikwn protypwn kai meta, opoy dhladh kaqe trapeza ofeilei ston apologismo ths, ston isologismo ths, na dhmosieysei ta kefalaia poy exei se baqos xronoy kai ean ayta einai arketa gia thn plhrwmh twn syntajewn. Prokeitai gia mia ryqmish h opoia jekaqarizei to topio. Gnwrizoyme pleon me diafaneia poia einai ta kefalaia twn trapezwn, poies einai oi ypoxrewseis ths se baqos xronoy, oi opoies den emfanizontai opws mexri twra ginotan, thn teleytaia stigmh. Ean dhladh eseis -gia na ginei pio katanohto- bgainate sth syntajh ws ypallhlos trapezas, qa emfanizotan ekeinh th stigmh, th xronia poy bghkate, h ypoxrewsh ths trapezas na sas plhrwsei to efapaj kai th syntajh sas, alla katagrafontai apo twra kai tis gnwrizei kapoios se baqos xronoy ws ypoxrewseis-desmeyseis poy exei analabei h trapeza. Ayth einai h basikh filosofia ekeinoy toy nomosxedioy se efarmogh toy opoioy erxetai h nomoqetikh ryqmish. Einai, dhladh, h apolyth diaygeia kai h apolyth bebaiothta -h diasfalish na to pw twn ergazomenwn- oti ta xrhmata poy katagrafontai ston isologismo yparxoyn gia na plhrwqoyn sth synexeia oi syntajeis kai ta epikoyrika.

KAKALHS: Lynete, dhladh, to asfalistiko problhma twn trapezwn, prokeimenoy na poylhqoyn oi trapezes se idiwtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia ektimhsh poy kanete eseis. Qa sas pw oti ekeino poy lynoyme -kai deite to pali sto paradeigma poy sas anefera, giati einai polyploko to qema, alla nomizw oti to paradeigma etsi aplopoihmeno dinei oysiastikh apanthsh- einai oti ews thn epibolh twn dieqnwn logistikwn protypwn, den htan ypoxrewmenos kaneis na eggracei oti se 15 xronia apo twra qa bgoyn sth syntajh 50, 100, 200 ergazomenoi. Ara, ta xrhmata ayta poy prepei na exw ws trapeza gia na toys plhrwsw th syntajh, to epikoyriko kai to efapaj, ta katagrafw ws desmeytikh ypoxrewsh gia ta epomena 15 xronia; Den katagrafontan. Me ta dieqnh logistika protypa, me ayth th ryqmish poy kanei h kybernhsh apo to 2005 kiolas, ypoxreoyntai oi trapezes na katagrafoyn sta apoqematika toys ta posa ayta poy prepei na exoyn gia na plhrwsoyn toys ergazomenoys otan me to kalo qa bgoyn sth syntajh. Ayto mono yper twn ergazomenwn mporw na to dw.

SARANTAKOS: Na pame sto qema twn thlefwnikwn ypoklopwn. O k. Boylgarakhs, milwntas to prwi sth dhmosia thleorash, eipe oti ean elege ta osa gnwrize den qa ginontan Olympiakoi Agwnes sthn Ellada. Hqela na rwthsw, me bash ayth th shmantikh dhlwsh toy prwhn ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, ean yparxoyn tetoia stoixeia kai poioi einai aytoi poy eqesan se kindyno thn eqnikh ypoqesh, opws thn exei xarakthrisei o Prwqypoyrgos, twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Boylgarakhs exei dwsei eparkh apanthsh sto qema. Rwthqhke kai to prwi sth synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse. Apo ta osa exei pei o ypoyrgos Politismoy kai prwhn ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, shmeiwnw thn orqh -orqotath kata th gnwmh moy- parathrhsh toy, h opoia exei na kanei me oloys ekeinoys poy skopimws prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn axly gyrw apo thn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn, na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis enantion ths kybernhshs, oti ofeiloyn oi opoioi kataskeyastes ceydwn eidhsewn na prosfygoyn sth Dikaiosynh, dioti alliws qa parameinoyn aplws sykofantes.

SARANTAKOS: To idio den isxyei kai gia ton k. Boylgarakh; Dhladh, ean yparxoyn stoixeia oti kapoioi yponomeysan ayth thn eqnikh ypoqesh, den prepei kai h kybernhsh epishmws na prosfygei sth Dikaiosynh, legontas onomata kai stoixeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti o k. Boylgarakhs, o opoios xeiristhke me acogo tropo thn ypoqesh ths asfaleias twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn -tropo poy, opws gnwrizete, dieqnws epikrothqhke- edwse hdh eparkh apanthsh sto qema.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To eipa kai allh fora, alla sas akoyw na epanalambanete thn apanthsh kai tis dhlwseis toy prokatoxoy sas ypoyrgoy, kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy ths kybernhshs Shmith gia na pame ston eisaggelea ean exoyme stoixeia. Ayto, ws parathrhsh. H erwthsh moy einai ejhs: Ola ayta poy mas dwsate shmera, h Epitroph, oi kaqhghtes k.t.l., den htan mesa stis programmatikes dhlwseis sas na labete mia frontida gia thn enisxysh ayths ths asfaleias toy polith kai twn arxwn; Giati to kanete me kaqysterhsh toswn mhnwn, meta apo thn telesh toy egklhmatos kai afoy den thrhqhke to yparxon nomiko kaqestws, poios eggyatai oti qa efarmostoyn kai ayta poy kanete twra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora thn prwth parathrhsh sas, exw mia teleiws diaforetikh proseggish, thn opoia exw ejhghsei polles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den einai ikanopoihtikh kai gi` ayto thn epanalambanw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kata th gnwmh sas den einai ikanopoihtikh. Kata th gnwmh moy einai apolytws ikanopoihtikh. H Dikaiosynh einai enas qesmos poy ofeiloyme oloi na sebomaste kai oxi na apajiwnoyme. Pairnw, loipon, aformh apo ayto poy molis eipa, sthn prwth sas parathrhsh, gia na symplhrwsw sth deyterh erwthsh sas, oti dhladh ofeilei kaneis na sebetai th Dikaiosynh. Ofeilei kaneis, o,ti stoixeia exei, na ta kataqetei sth Dikaiosynh. Ofeilei kaneis, ean to nomoqetiko plaisio diapistwqei sthn poreia oti exei kena h elleiceis -oxi kat` anagkh apo skopimothtes, mhn kathgorhsei kaneis gia skopimothta kapoion sto sygkekrimeno qema- na symplhrwnei ta kena, na problepei tyxon nees elleiceis. Kai edw, qa anagnwrisete kai eseis, opws kai oloi mas kai oloi oi Ellhnes polites ean mas akoyn, oti exoyme na kanoyme me ena qema poy edrazetai se nees texnologies. Oi texnologies allazoyn diarkws. Ean prin apo 20 xronia legate se kapoion oti me to pathma enos koympioy qa mporoyse na synomilhsei sthn allh akrh toy Atlantikoy, peran toy thlefwnoy, mesa apo to Internet, na antallassei eikones kai eggrafa se deyterolepta, qa sas elege oti mallon ayto einai sxedio ths fantasias. Wstoso, to nomoqetiko plaisio dhmioyrghqhke. Ean to paron nomoqetiko plaisio einai leico h oxi, den einai ths stigmhs. Emeis prospaqoyme na to symplhrwsoyme. Sas qymizw oti prokeitai gia mia dhlwsh poy ekana ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs thn prwth kiolas hmera, otan apokalycame stoys Ellhnes polites thn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn.

PAPAGIANNHS: Einai tyxaio to gegonos oti o k. Liaphs, poy einai enas ek twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn sxetika me tis ypoqeseis twn ypoklopwn, den edwse to parwn sth synenteyjh Typoy. Den htan stis synanthseis poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos h koryfaioi ypoyrgoi sto Megaro Majimoy gia to zhthma ayto. Kai den htan parwn oyte sth shmerinh synanthsh, thn opoia mas ejhghsate oti gia dikoys toy logoys den htan parwn. Den to akoysa kala. Gia poio logo akribws; Yphrxe sobaroteros logos gia na mh dwsei shmera to parwn o k. Liaphs sth synanthsh ayth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean brisketai sthn Aqhna o k. Liaphs. Eixe aneilhmmenh ypoxrewsh. Mporw na thn plhroforhqw kai na sas apanthsw. Briskw, dhladh, ena endiaferon chgma sthn erwthsh sas. Kata ta loipa, omws, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h erwthsh sas einai parelkystikh, dioti xrhsimopoiei stoixeia poy den yparxoyn. Gia paradeigma, sthn prohgoymenh synanthsh twn kaqhghtwn htan parontes kai o k. Liaphs kai o k. Papalhgoyras. Exoyn ginei dyo synanthseis. H mia, otan kalese o Prwqypoyrgos toys eji kaqhghtes gia na toys anaqesei ayto to ergo kai h shmerinh, poy hrqan apo toys eji kaqhghtes oi treis -oxi oti diafwnoysan oi ypoloipoi, alla giati dyo ej aytwn htan sth Qessalonikh- gia na kataqesoyn to porisma.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apokalyfqhke apo thn KYRIAKATIKH ELEYQEROTYPIA h yparjh enos deyteroy diktyoy ypoklopwn me th syndromh kai ths EYP. Sthn ebdomada poy perase den yphrje kamia topoqethsh apo kanenan kybernhtiko paragonta. Ayto shmainei oti h kybernhsh diereyna thn apokalych;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Me kalyptei apolytws h dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Boylgarakhs to prwi kai pisteyw oti oi armodies eisaggelikes arxes qa epemboyn, prokeimenoy na broyn ola ta stoixeia ta opoia mporei na odhgoyn se kati, opws ayto poy lete. Den gnwrizoyme kati tetoio. Den exw na pw kati perissotero gia to an yparxei oysia s` ayto to qema. Den qa xrhsimopoihsw ton oro ``apokalych'', oxi apajiwtika pros thn efhmerida h pros ton dhmosiografo poy to egrace, alla dioti den gnwrizw na yparxei tetoio qema. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, efoson h ypoqesh ayth einai anoixth, h Dikaiosynh -eimai bebaios- qa diereynhsei ola ta stoixeia poy dhmosieythkan gia na exoyme kai emeis apanthseis, opws fysika kai eseis kai oloi oi Ellhnes polites.

POYLIDOY: Se shmerino dhmosieyma twn NEWN apokalyptetai oti mia egkyklios thn opoia dieneime to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn se 13 perifereies, ektima oti h Ellada thn teleytaia dekaetia eixe ejairetikes epidoseis se ryqmoys megeqynshs, oti thn teleytaia dekaetia oson afora thn koinwnikh sygklish kalyce 10 posostiaies monades kai telos ws pros to elleimma to opoio diogkwqhke epi dikhs sas diakybernhshs, ofeiletai sthn allagh meqodologias katagrafhs kai stis dapanes gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Poy einai loipon oi ``mayres trypes'' efoson isxyoyn ayta kai poy einai h apath thn opoia isxyrizeste oti methlqe h prohgoymenh kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh apanthsei sto qema to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Qa sas to pw gia na gnwrizete, epeidh den exei fqasei profanws h plhroforhsh sthn aiqoysa toy press room: Prokeitai gia keimeno ergasias, proion texnokratwn. Se kamia periptwsh den apotelei epishmh qesh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

XIWTHS: Epistrefw sto qema twn ypoklopwn, gia na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Epeidh ta stoixeia poy apokalyptontai deixnoyn mia ypoqesh poly pio synqeth. Oi pantes parapempoyn sth Dikaiosynh, h opoia profanws exei toys dikoys ths argoys ryqmoys. Meta apo ola ayta mhpws skeftetai h kybernhsh na epispeysei th systash ths ejetastikhs epitrophs kai na mhn perimenei to telos ths dikastikhs anakrishs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Isxyei o,ti exoyme pei.

IWANNOY: Shmera o Prwqypoyrgos ths Toyrkias -h isws na htan kai xqes se kapoio synedrio- proebh se kapoies proklhtikes dhlwseis eis oti afora ta qrhskeytika dikaiwmata twn moysoylmanwn ths Qrakhs, legontas oti enw ekeinoi afhnoyn emas na eklejoyme Patriarxh sthn Kwnstantinoypolh emeis den kanoyme to idio kai oti afhnoyme asynthrhta ta tzamia, den ta prosexoyme, enw ekeinoi anasthlwnoyn tis dikes mas ekklhsies. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ws gnwston h moysoylmanikh meionothta ths Qrakhs apolambanei kaqestwtos isonomias kai isopoliteias, poy ths ejasfalizei h ellhnikh Politeia, kratos - melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, poy diepetai apo kratos kai kanones dikaioy.

BLAXOS: Qelw na epanelqw sthn apanthsh sas sto erwthma gia to dhmosieyma ths ELEYQEROTYPIAS gia th syndromh ths EYP. Lete oti den gnwrizete, oti oi armodioi eisaggeleis qa prepei na paremboyn. Ennoeite oti o armodios Ypoyrgos den gnwrizei ti ginotan sto Ypoyrgeio toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti einai ayto to opoio me rwtate. Ti ennoeite ``den gnwrizei o armodios Ypoyrgos'';

BLAXOS: Gia to an yparxei syndromh ths EYP.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean milame gia ton ews prin apo ligo kairo Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs, einai safestath h dhlwsh thn opoia ekane shmera to prwi kai me kalyptei apolytws. Ekeino to opoio symplhrwse o k. Boylgarakhs -kai ayto eipa oti me kalyptei ws Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo, giati me ayth thn idiothta milw panta enwpion sas- einai oti o Eisaggeleas qa prepei na parembei. Den dinoyme odhgies ston Eisaggelea. Efoson yparxoyn stoixeia, o Eisaggeleas qa parembei kai qa brei ti eidoys stoixeia einai ayta ta opoia perigrafontai sta dhmosieymata.

KAKALHS: Apo th mia eipate oti to qema ths antimetwpishs twn ypoklopwn einai poly dyskolo giati edrazetai stis nees texnologies kai apo thn allh h gnwsth ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn den exei odhghqei poyqena kai oi drastes oyte exoyn entopistei oyte ap` o,ti fainetai qa entopistoyn. Dhladh to politiko mhnyma poy stelnei h kybernhsh sthn koinwnia einai oti oi ypoklopes ginontan kai qa ginontai kai shkwnei ta xeria chla, sthn pragmatikothta, dhlwnontas adynamia na tis antimetwpisei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To mhnyma poy stelnei h shmerinh kybernhsh einai diplo. Prwton, opoy yparxoyn kena sth nomoqesia, kanei o,ti einai dynaton, zhtwntas gnwmes kaqhghtwn kyroys, prokeimenoy na symplhrwsei ayth th nomoqesia. Kai deyteron, basikh epidiwjh ths kybernhshs -kai qelw na pisteyw kai olwn twn ypoloipwn politikwn kommatwn- einai na breqei poioi h poios htan pisw apo ayth thn aqlia ypoqesh parakoloyqhshs politikwn proswpwn kai allwn politwn. Sas qymizw oti oysiastika ekeinos o opoios exei kaqe logo na qelei thn apokalych ths ypoqeshs einai ekeinos o opoios epese qyma mias ypoqeshs.

BLAXOS: Giati epikaleiste twra, m` ayth th dhlwsh sas ta alla kommata enw tote eixate agnohsei ta alla kommata kai den prostrejate se mia enhmerwsh afenos kai se mia sthrijh twn ereynwn afeteroy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, den ta epikaloymai gia na sthrijw kapoia apoch. Eipa oti qelw na pisteyw pws kai ta alla kommata exoyn thn idia apoch. Mellei, loipon, ta alla kommata na to poyn. Mellei, as poyme, to PASOK na mas pei an exei thn idia apoch.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Kaklamanh kai toy k. Abramopoyloy problhmatizomaste kai sas rwtw: poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs sto qema twn programmatikwn diakhryjewn gia thn ygeia; Toy k. Abramopoyloy h toy k. Kaklamanh; Edw exoyme trelaqei, oi aploi polites, me osa katamartyra o eis enantion toy alloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws se ola ta qemata, etsi kai s` ayto, xreiazetai apostasiopoihsh kai cyxraimia gia na mhn trelaqei kaneis, opws eipate. Qelw na shmeiwsw oti exei ginei shmantiko ergo sta dyo prwta xronia ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias, ergo to opoio kategrafh. O prwtagwnisths toy kai o anqrwpos poy to ektelese htan o k. Kaklamanhs, ews protinos Ypoyrgos Ygeias. Kai to ergo ayto synexizetai apo ton k. Abramopoylo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dhladh ``h tritokosmikh eikona'' poy paroysiazei o tomeas ths ygeias einai ayto poy ekane o k. Kaklamanhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati gineste toso aploysteytikos; Eseis eiste palaios dhmosiografos kai exete empeiria.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Akribws epeidh eimai palaios dhmosiografos kyrie Ekproswpe, rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diapistwsate oti yphrje tetoia dhlwsh h opoia na yperaploysteyei thn eikona sto synolo ths;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Na apeyqynqeite ston k. Abramopoylo, oxi se mena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, apeyqynomai se sas. Dioti den yphrje tetoia dhlwsh, h opoia na aploysteyei sto synolo ths h na yperaploysteyei kai na mila gia to synolo twn parexomenwn yphresiwn. Yphrxan problhmata kai yparxoyn problhmata. Ean ta problhmata ayta ta afhname, tote qa dexomoyn ayto to opoio perigrafete. Den afeqhkan ta problhmata, oyte o k. Abramopoylos eipe oti afeqhkan sth moira toys. Eipe oti breqhkan lyseis kai synexizoyme na caxnoyme kai gia epomenes lyseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Xarakthrise omws thn katastash.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi olh thn katastash.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Th xarakthrise ws ``tritokosmikh''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto qelw na sas pw. Kai exw parakalesei polles fores na metaferoyme tis apoceis, opws akribws exoyn katagrafei, opws akribws exoyn eipwqei. Oxi thn axly h thn entypwsh poy dhmioyrgeitai apo orismenoys.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi apo emas profanws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw den erija eyqynh se sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den einai proswpiko to qema. To entopizw omws oti proerxetai apo tis dhlwseis twn Ypoyrgwn sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa prepei na koitazoyme akribws ti exei dhlwsei kapoios gia na bgazoyme symperasmata.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate prin oti th gnwmh twn texnokratwn qa thn synypologisete sth nomoparaskeyastikh epitroph. Epanerxomai sto dhmosieyma twn NEWN gia na rwthsw: Th gnwmh twn texnokratwn poy einai synergates toy k. Alogoskoyfh, o k. Alogoskoyfhs den thn synypologizei sthn ermhneia ayths ths katastashs kai sth xarajh ths politikhs toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsa gia empeirognwmones, gia kaqhghtes, oi opoioi anelaban ayto to ergo. Th gnwmh enos empeirognwmona, enos kaqhghth, ofeilei kaqe Politeia na thn synypologizei. Ean ayth h gnwmh exei politikes skopimothtes pisw ths, opws endexomenws exei h gnwmh ayth thn opoia anaferate sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, den ofeilei kaneis na th synypologisei.

POYLIDOY: Kai ek laqoys dianemhqhke to keimeno se 13 perifereies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti dianemontai keimena poy exoyn kai antiqeth apoch me tis apoceis ths kybernhshs, anadeiknyei th dhmokratikothta ayths ths kybernhshs.

POYLIDOY: Kai th sygxysh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, kaqoloy.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh mpainoyme sthn telikh eyqeia, ap` oti gnwrizw sto qema ths Olympiakhs, yparxei kapoia ejelijh gi` ayto; Gnwrizoyme poioi einai oi ependytes poy exei brei, opws dhlwnei o k. Doykas kai opws den gnwrizei o k. Liaphs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, peripoy me ayth th diatypwsh. Epanalambanw, gia na mhn koyrazeste, oti einai ena poly sobaro, shmantiko qema, to opoio xreiazetai leptoys xeirismoys. Ews otoy katalhjei ayto to qema, dokimon kai prepon apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs einai na mhn probei se opoiesdhpote anakoinwseis.

BLAXOS: Gia to onoma exete na peite kati; O k. Alogoskoyfhs prin apo ligo eipe oti qa prostateyqei to onoma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

PAPAGIANNHS: Yparxoyn plhrofories kai ektimhseis oti mesa stis giortes toy Pasxa, oi ypallhloi, oi ergazomenoi ths O.A., mprosta se aytes tis ejelijeis poy diadramatizontai qa proxwrhsoyn se apergiakes kinhtopoihseis. Meletaei h kybernhsh to endexomeno ths politikhs epistrateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis. H kybernhsh sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, meleta tropoys ejeyreshs lysewn sto meizon ayto problhma.

KAKALHS: Eiste se qesh na kanete mia apotimhsh twn epafwn ths ka Mpakogiannh me thn amerikanikh kybernhsh se o,ti afora thn prwtoboylia, opws apokaleitai, gia thn prowqhsh ths dhmokratias sthn eyryterh Mesh Anatolh, opws anefere sygkekrimena h ka Rais; Dhladh gia thn ekpaideytikh apostolh sto Irak kai th symmetoxh stis natoikes epixeirhseis sto Afganistan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To synolo twn epafwn kai twn syzhthsewn ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn kas Mpakogiannh, anadeiknyoyn th dynamikh twn sxesewn metajy Elladas kai HPA, th dynamikh aytoy poy xarakthristhke pro pollwn mhnwn kai apodeiknyetai sthn prajh, enos isxyroy strathgikoy etairoy.

KAKALHS: Ayto qa ekfrastei kai sto Afganistan kai sto Irak;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ennoeite me thn erwthsh sas. Sas anaferw thn topoqethsh ths kybernhshs se sxesh me thn teleytaia synanthsh ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn me thn omologo ths kai alloys ychloys ajiwmatoyxoys twn HPA.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Prin apo hmeres, rwthsame ton anaplhrwth sas edw, na mas pei th diafora metajy epitajhs h epistrateyshs gia na jeroyme kai emeis pws na topoqethqoyme, pws dhladh to antimetwpizei h kybernhsh. Kai eipe o k. Antwnaros oti den einai nomikos kai den gnwrizei th diafora metajy twn dyo orwn. Erwtw loipon esas poy eiste o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ef` enos kai afeteroy pote qa arqei h epistrateysh oxi mono twn naytergatwn alla yparxoyn kai epistrateyseis twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn gia tis opoies den omilei kaneis kai edw kai deka, dekapente xronia yparxoyn epitagmenoi kai epistrateymenoi apo toys xwroys twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn. Dhladh qa yparxei dhmokratiko kaqestws kai qa einai epitagmenoi kai epistrateymenoi antikeimena kai proswpa apo enan sygkekrimeno xwro; Skepteste na parete kapoio metro gi` ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai egw meta thn erwthsh poy teqhke ston Anaplhrwth Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo kai apanthsa oti den exw na pw kati ayth th stigmh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo mia prwth anagnwsh toy ypomnhmatos ths Epitrophs Empeirognwmonwn, diafainetai h proqesh twn kaqhghtwn-melwn poy th synypografoyn, na enisxyqei h ADAE, toso to nomoqetiko ths plaisio kai to nomiko ths oplostasio, oso kai apo ylikotexnikh pleyra. H erwthsh moy einai an h kybernhsh einai diateqeimenh, meta apo olh ayth thn istoria opws exei ejelixqei twn ypoklopwn, na dwsei perissoteres armodiothtes sthn ADAE kai genikotera stis arxes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh qa kanei ayto to opoio h nomoparaskeyastikh epitroph sth synexeia proteinei ws sxedio nomoy. Qelw na shmeiwsw, nomizw oti qa to elege kai o k. Tsatsos an den to eipe hdh sth dhlwsh toy @giati den prolaba na thn parakoloyqhsw- oti h epitroph twn eji kaqhghtwn elabe ypoch ths th gnwmh ths ADAE. Den prolabe na labei ypoch ths th gnwmh ths Epitrophs Thlepikoinwniwn kai Taxydromeiwn h opoia se sxesh me thn ergasia ths Epitrophs twn Kaqhghtwn hrqe kaqysterhmena. H Epitroph twn Empeirognwmonwn Nomoparaskeyastwn poy qa analabei apo edw kai pera, qa parathrhsei ta shmeia poy proteinoyn h kaqemia apo treis epitropes h anejarthtes arxes kai qa proxwrhsei.

PALAIOLOGOS: An exete gnwsh toy pote problepetai na katateqei to porisma gia thn istoria ths Vodafone, epeidh tyxainei o k. Kacalhs na einai melos ths ADAE kai parallhla metexei sthn Epitroph twn Kaqhghtwn poy synetaje to sxetiko ypomnhma. An sas enhmerwse gia to pote protiqetai na bgei to porisma ths ADAE gia thn istoria twn ypoklopwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Prwton, den htan o stoxos ayths ths omadas twn kaqhghtwn h diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs. Kai deyteron, plhro forhqhkate shmera kati to opoio ofeilate na gnwrizete edw kai enamish mhna, giati eixe anakoinwqei, opws ofeilete na gnwrizete oti eishlqan s` ayth thn epitroph, doylecan me toys ypoloipoys kaqhghtes, kaqhghtes-melh kai ths mias arxhs kai ths allhs. Dhladh kai ths EETT kai ths ADAE.

PALAIOLOGOS: To erwthma moy einai sygkekrimeno, an sas enhmerwse sxetika gia to pote. Nomizw oti qa yparxei mia synergasia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to eipa gia na katalabete pws leitoyrghse ayth h epitroph, oti eixe ena melos kaqhghth toy Symboylioy ths EETT, ena melos ths ADAE kai oi ypoloipoi kaqhghtes den eixan sxesh me tis dyo anejarthtes arxes. Alla oi dyo anejarthtes arxes ekproswphqhkan se ayth thn epitroph apo toys proanaferqentes kaqhghtes, ton k. Kacalh kai ton k. Tsanaka.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den egine kamia syzhthsh pantws gia to qema ths Vodafone.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, einai teleiws diaforetiko to ena qema apo to allo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Se o,ti sas afora h erwthsh moy einai politikh. Akoysa me prosoxh thn apanthsh sas sto proswpiko sas qema, qa hqela omws na mas peite edw, ayth h enorxhstrwmenh polemikh enantion sas, apeyqynetai pros ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh kai eiste tropon tina qyma; Plhrwnete dhladh thn polemikh enantion toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kamia peraiterw krish. Nomizw oti oi @Ellhnes polites einai nohmones kai mporoyn na katalaboyn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Einai nohmones, alla eiste prwtoselido se treis, tesseris efhmerides, me stoixeia. Se proswpiko epipedo den exw kanena endiaferon, arkoymai se ayto poy eipate. Sas erwtw politikws omws. Kata th gnwmh sas poy ofeiletai ayth h kata kairoys jafnikh h syntetagmenh epiqesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa thn perasmenh ebdomada.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Apanthsate se o,ti sas afora proswpikws. Egw rwtw politikws, oxi proswpikws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katalaba. Eipa loipon oti exei idiotelh kinhtra.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai Ypoyrgos Epikrateias, apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na eimai akomh enwpion sas, nai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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