Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-03-08

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Aqhna, 8 Martioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh Sarakosth.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs diejagei, ayth th stigmh, synomilies me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Taso Papadopoylo, o opoios episkeptetai thn Aqhna. Amesws meta, qa ginoyn dhlwseis ston Typo. O Prwqypoyrgos stis 13.30, qa paraqesei geyma ergasias ston k. Papadopoylo kai toys synergates toy.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio Pempth 9 Martioy, stis 10.30, qa synanthqei me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgo Alogoskoyfh. Stis 12.00 qa synanthqei me to dhmarxo Qessalonikhs k. Basilh Papagewrgopoylo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KORAH: H anodo toy LAOS anhsyxei ton Prwqypoyrgo kai gi` ayto kanei ayth th synanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Poia synanthsh ennoeite;

KORAH: Me to dhmarxo Qessalonikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos dexthke thn perasmenh ebdomada kai ton neoeklegenta dhmarxo Aqhnaiwn k. Mpexrakh. Aytes oi synanthseis ginontai sto plaisio twn taktikwn epafwn poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me diafora proswpa, me diaforoys foreis ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai den exei kamia sxesh me ayto poy molis ypainixqhkate.

KORAH: Aplws, o k. Papagewrgopoylos nomizw oti exei para poly kairo na erqei sto Majimoy.

ANTWNAROS: An einai etsi, enas logos parapanw gia na ginei h synanthsh.

BLAXOS: Mhpws exete thn eygenh kalosynh na mas ejhghsete gia poioys logoys den egine kamia syzhthsh kai kamia anafora sto qema twn ypoklopwn sth diarkeia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, oi syzhthseis poy ginontai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio einai empisteytikes. Kai synepws, den mporw kai egw na sas pw ep` akribws ti eipwqhke se ayto. Deyteron -kai ayto einai to oysiastikotero- to qema twn ypoklopwn, to exw pei allwste epaneilhmmenws, einai kati to opoio ejetazei ayth th stigmh h Dikaiosynh. Ginetai mia ereyna kai otan ayth oloklhrwqei, tote ta eyrhmata, ta porismata, ta apotelesmata ayths ths ereynas qa anakoinwqoyn, opws prepei na anakoinwqoyn. Den exw na pw tipote allo gia to qema twn ypoklopwn.

BLAXOS: Ayto, omws, den anairei to dikaiwma mias kybernhshs kai enos Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy poy ekane apologismo twn pepragmenwn ths dietias, na pei oti se ayto to terastio qema eginan ayta ta laqh h eginan aytes oi epityxies, ektos ki an den to qewrei h kybernhsh terastio qema, opote einai allo pragma.

ANTWNAROS: Sto sygkekrimeno qema poy anafereste, h kybernhsh ekane to qesmiko ths kaqhkon. Molis elabe gnwsh toy sygkekrimenoy qematos, to parepemce sth Dikaiosynh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti oi syzhthseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy einai empisteytikes. Dhladh, yparxei periptwsh na syzhthqhke kai na mhn to jeroyme, na mhn bghke pros ta ejw;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Epanalambanw omws: Opws gnwrizete, ayta poy syzhtoyntai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio -sas to lew ws mia genikh topoqethsh- kalyptontai apo thn arxh ths empisteytikothtas. Synepws, polles fores, pragmata poy anaferontai sta Mesa, xwris na amfisbhtw thn egkyrothta ths leitoyrgias twn Meswn, den antapokrinontai panta sthn pragmatikothta. Kai gi` ayto akribws, xqes, oi anakoinwseis poy ekanan oi ypoyrgoi kai dioxeteyqhkan mesw toy Aqhnaikoy Praktoreioy sta MME, einai shmeia twn eishghsewn poy ekanan sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto egw lew oti h arxh ths empisteytikothtas mhpws htan kai ayto na mhn bgei pros ta ejw oti syzhthqhkan oi ypoklopes;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa.

BLAXOS: Egw qelw na epimeinw, k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Mporeite kallista na epimeinete, alla epitrecte kai se mena na epimeinw sthn apanthsh poy sas edwsa.

BLAXOS: Yparxei kati poy fobizei thn kybernhsh kai den mporei na aggijei, oyte kan san aplh anafora, sto qema twn ypoklopwn; Einai kati to opoio perimenei h kybernhsh oti mporei na dhmioyrghqei h na prokycei kai gi` ayto den qelei na asxolhqei kaqoloy me ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh asxolhqhke me to sygkekrimeno qema, otan eprepe na asxolhqei. Ekeino poy perimenei h kybernhsh einai h diejagwgh ths dikastikhs ereynas kai h ekbash ths.

SIDERHS: To PASOK syneqese ena ``rekbiem'' sto proeklogiko sas programma kai to dhmosiopoihse xqes. Sthn prwth selida grafei mia frash toy k. Karamanlh: ``Den eipa tipota, ma tipota, to opoio den eimaste sigoyroi oti mporoyme na to kanoyme''. Otan qa ginei Prwqypoyrgos, qa ta kanei ayta poy eipe;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti to sygkekrimeno keimeno sto opoio anaferqhkate, einai ena synonqyleyma anakribeiwn, tyligmeno malista se ena teyxos me mayrh selida, sxedon mia oloklhrh mayrh selida, h opoia isws na ekfrazei ayto sto opoio diaprepei to PASOK. Dhladh, th mayrh propaganda.

SIDERHS: Anagnwrizete to ergo sas, ayto to mayro;

ANTWNAROS: To ergo mas exei shmasia na to anagnwrizei o ellhnikos laos. Oi Ellhnes polites gnwrizoyn poly kala na ajiologoyn th synexh prospaqeia poy kataballei h kybernhsh se oloys toys tomeis.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akoysa shmera sto radiofwno oti symfwna me shmerina statistika stoixeia xaqhkan thn persinh xronia 6.640 qeseis ergasias stis opoies symperilambanontai kai orismenes oikioqeleis apoxwrhseis poy, omws, htan ligoteres apo thn propersinh xronia. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean exete na kanete kapoio sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den gnwrizw ta sygkekrimena stoixeia, ta opoia den exw logo na ta amfisbhthsw opws moy ta metaferate. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw omws einai ta epishma stoixeia gia thn katapolemhsh ths anergias, poy einai poly xarakthristika. Exoyme mia ptwsh ths anergias, h opoia basanize gia 20 xronia th xwra. Twra katagrafetai gia prwth fora mia ptwsh ths anergias poy eixe anodikh tash ta teleytaia 20 xronia. H prospaqeia ayth einai synexhs. H kybernhsh exei stoxo ths th dhmioyrgia newn qesewn, newn tropwn apasxolhshs gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites, wste na meiwqei apotelesmatika h anergia.

SIDERHS: Otan lete newn tropwn ennoeite tis part time ergasies;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Ennow oti yparxoyn kai neoi tomeis oikonomikhs anaptyjhs, oikonomikhs drasthriothtas, opoy dhmioyrgoyntai nees qeseis ergasias. Opws symbainei allwste se polles eyrwpaikes xwres. Feygoyn ergazomenoi apo enan tomea kai briskoyn apasxolhsh aytoi h oi neoeiserxomenoi sthn agora ergasias, se aytoys toys neoys tomeis ergasias. Einai ypoxrewsh ths kybernhshs na enisxyei aytoys toys tomeis ergasias, na toys afhnei na anaptyssontai kai na dhmioyrgei ekeino to katallhlo periballon opoy qa anaptyxqoyn aytoi oi tomeis. Etsi ejasfalizetai apasxolhsh kai ena poly kalo mellon gia oloys toys Ellhnes kai tis Ellhnides.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poqen tekmairete oti eseis xamhlwsate thn anergia; To PASOK diateinetai oti thn eixe afhsei 9,5%. Eseis jafnika anakalycate oti htan 11,5% kai thn ftasate sto 9,8%. Ara, perissotero. Apo ta stoixeia poioy organismoy bgainei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw an to PASOK amfisbhtei ta stoixeia ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias, gia to diasthma poy eixe to idio thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras.

KAKALHS: Sth xqesinh toy dhlwsh o Prwqypoyrgos den anaferqhke sto pio xeiropiasto kai to pio shmantiko epiteygma ths politikhs ths kybernhshs sta dyo prohgoymena xronia, ta kerdh twn trapezwn, twn biomhxanwn kai twn efoplistwn poy ayjhqhkan me almatwdh ryqmo sth dietia diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias. Htan mia tyxaia paralhch toy Prwqypoyrgoy h egine skopima gia na mhn erqei se kraygalea antiqesh me thn katastash twn ypoloipwn poy diarkws epideinwnetai;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se oloys ekeinoys toys tomeis opoy h shmerinh kybernhsh kataballei, edw kai dyo xronia, systhmatikes prospaqeies, wste na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata. Kai ta problhmata antimetwpizontai gia na dhmioyrghqoyn ekeines oi synqhkes poy qa epitrecoyn se oles tis Ellhnides kai oloi toys Ellhnes na wfeloyntai apo ena staqero oikonomiko periballon se baqos xronoy. Ayto einai poy metraei.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla h monh koinwnikh kathgoria poy mexri twra apolambanei ta ofelh ths diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias einai oi ligoi.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete mia yperaploysteytikh proseggish. Den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Na pw kati allo poy antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. Me thn tropologia gia thn eisodhmatikh politikh poy katateqhke olws tyxaiws to meshmeri ths Paraskeyhs, orizetai oti o katwteros misqos toy neodiorizomenoy sto dhmosio sthn kathgoria ths ypoxrewtikhs ekpaideyshs einai 629 eyrw. Alhqeia, pisteyei h kybernhsh oti me ayton to misqo mporei na zhsei enas anqrwpos kai na kalycei stoixeiwdws tis anagkes toy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw proqesh na sxoliasw toys apolytoys ariqmoys poy anaferete. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai oti h kybernhsh, opws sas eipa, kataballei synexeis prospaqeies, wste mesa sta plaisia ths tetraetias gia thn opoia eklegetai mia kybernhsh, na exei beltiwqei kai na exei staqeropoihqei h oikonomia me tetoio ryqmo kai me tetoio tropo, wste oloi oi Ellhnes sto telos ths tetraetias na apolambanoyn ta agaqa ayths ths oikonomikhs staqerothtas. H shmerinh kybernhsh parelabe mia sygkekrimenh oikonomikh katastash, mia poly asxhmh oikonomikh katastash me polloys asxhmoys deiktes kai exei kataferei se syntomo xroniko diasthma na ferei se peras ena shmantiko ergo. Twra, siga - siga, arxizoyme na apolambanoyme ta apta apotelesmata twn prospaqeiwn poy katabalame kai h kybernhsh kai oi Ellhnes polites ta teleytaia dyo xronia.

KAKALHS: 629 eyrw; Me sygxwreite, poy qa ftasoyn sto telos ths tetraetias; Poso qa ayjhqoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na sas kanw kamia tetoia problech. H kybernhsh exei analabei sygkekrimenes desmeyseis gia sygkekrimena posa se sygkekrimenoys tomeis. Ayta ta posa, opws allwste eipe kai xqes o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfhs, isxyoyn sto akeraio.

TSIOYFOS: Xqes diabazontas toys apologismoys twn Ypoyrgeiwn, diapistwsa oti ston apologismo toy k. Alogoskoyfh gia paradeigma, den yparxei kamia anafora gia thn apografh kai tis epiptwseis ths. Ston apologismo toy k. Paylopoyloy, kamia anafora sto basiko metoxo. Sthn anafora toy k. Roysopoyloy, mia anafora sto basiko metoxo mono gia to deytero skelos. Dhladh, otan ftasame sto adiejodo kai breqhke lysh me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ston apologismo toy k. Kefalogiannh, kamia anafora sthn epistrateysh twn naytikwn. Giati ayth h aposiwphsh aytwn twn ejelijewn;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas diabasw apo xqesinh dhmosia dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Ean qelete na akoysete th lejh apografh, isws na apogohteyteite. Anaferei, loipon, o k. Alogoskoyfhs: ``Antimetwpizoyme me epityxia ta megala problhmata poy klhrodothsan sth xwra ta laqh kai oi paraleiceis toy parelqontos''. Ayth einai mia frash me thn opoia h shmerinh kybernhsh periegrafe pantote thn apografh. H lejh apografh einai ayth poy sas eleice; Deyteron, oson afora to qema toy basikoy metoxoy, o k. Roysopoylos para thn epilektikh anagnwsh ths sxetikhs anakoinwshs poy ekanan orismenoi synadelfoi sas, anaferetai sygkekrimena sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy kai sthn ekbash toy. Ayto einai poy metraei. Einai h telikh katalhjh. Ayth h ryqmish egine nomos toy kratoys. O de k. Paylopoylos afhse thn anafora sto sygkekrimeno qema ston k. Roysopoylo, o opoios einai kai o armodios Ypoyrgos se teleytaia analysh. Ekeinos eishgage pros chfish to sygkekrimeno nomo sth Boylh.

BLAXOS: Me entypwsiazei pantws h proqymia sas na analysete ti eipwqhke gia ola ta qemata sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio enw, prin apo liga lepta eipate oti den mporeite na mas peite ti eipwqhke gia to qema twn ypoklopwn. Aplws epishmansh kanw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas metaferw ti metadoqhke apo to Aqhnaiko Praktoreio xqes ws shmeia eishghsewn twn diaforwn Ypoyrgwn. Den kanw tipote allo apo to na anaferomai se epishma keimena ta opoia dioxeteythkan sth dhmosiothta.

XIWTHS: Anarwtiemai mexri pote h kybernhsh gia ta shmeia toy programmatos ths poy den exei akomh ylopoihsei, qa anaferetai sto parelqon.

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

XIWTHS: Qelw na pw oti egine xqes enas eyrys apologismos twn pepragmenwn ths kybernhshs kai gia ola osa den exoyn ginei akoma kai programmatizontai na ginoyn an kai einai amfibolo an qa ginoyn mexri to telos ths tetraetias, h kybernhsh kathgorei ton prokatoxo ths, thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Anarwtiemai pote stamata ayto gia thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, to ``amfibolo'' ekfrazei proswpikh sas ektimhsh.

XIWTHS: Den rwthsa gi` ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete omws na pw, oti h kybernhsh ekane apologismo toy prwtoy misoy ths qhteias ths. Yparxei akomh mprosta to ypoloipo miso ths qhteias ths. Yparxei polys xronos gia thn efarmogh, thn ylopoihsh shmantikwn stoixeiwn apo to programma ths, ta opoia akomh den exoyn ginei prajh. Alla den mporei kaneis na epikrinei mia kybernhsh poy parelabe sygkekrimenh oikonomikh katastash sth xwra, -poly dysmenh, opws sas eipa- oti sto meso ths qhteias ths den exei efarmosei oloklhro to kybernhtiko ths programma. Qa elega oti ayth thn erwthsh mporeite kallista na thn kanete ston k. Roysopoylo h se mena, kaqws qa plhsiazoyme sto telos ths tetraetias.

XIWTHS: Nai, alla exei shmasia, otan fqasoyme se ayth thn periodo, sto telos ths tetraetias h sth lhjh ths boyleytikhs periodoy -giati den jeroyme ean qa einai taytoxrona me to telos ths tetraetias- na mas peite apo twra, ean h kybernhsh gi` ayta poy den qa mporesei na ylopoihsei, qa ftaiei h idia h oi prokatoxoi ths;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai mia ypoqetikh erwthsh sthn opoia egw bebaia den prokeitai na topoqethqw sto meson ths tetraetias.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o Prwqypoyrgos eipe ``den kryboyme tis adynamies mas''. Omws, me ejairesh ton k. Roysopoylo, o opoios anaferqhke ston basiko metoxo, proswpika den katalaba se poies adynamies anaferetai h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Dioti h aytokritikh exei kai ena nohma, otan leme exw ftaijei se ena-dyo-tria-tessera-pente pragmata. Poia einai ayta, ta opoia kai o Prwqypoyrgos qewrei adynamies, mporeite na mas analysete eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas diabasw to sxetiko apospasma apo thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KORAH: To gnwrizw, den xreiazetai.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den eipe ayto o Prwqypoyrgos.

KORAH: Egw qelw se shmeia politikhs, sygkekrimenhs politikhs, oxi gia argoys ryqmoys, gia kako@.(den akoygetai) poy ta exoyme akoysei para polles fores.

ANTWNAROS: Oi adynamies, omws, periexoyn endexomenws kai ayto poy eseis molis apokalesate ``argoys ryqmoys''. Kai o Prwqypoyrgos eipe amesws meta oti ``eginan, omws, polla se syntomo xroniko diasthma. Proxwrhsan kai proxwroyn shmantikes allages kai metarryqmiseis''.

KORAH: Emena me endiaferei h aytokritikh. H erwthsh moy afora thn aytokritikh ths kybernhshs, den afora sta pepragmena ths. Ayta ta analyete.

ANTWNAROS: Otan kanei kaneis apologismo@

KORAH: Kanei kai aytokritikh.

ANTWNAROS: @leei synhqws ti exei kanei.

KORAH: Ma, leei o Prwqypoyrgos ``den kryboyme tis adynamies mas''. Qelw, dhladh, aplws na me bohqhsete na tis dw ligo pio kaqara. Ayto sas zhtw.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipota allo.

XIWTHS: Akoysa to prwi ton Proedro ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, ston ALPHA, na dhlwnei@

ANTWNAROS: Profanws sth dikh sas ekpomph.

XIWTHS: Nai, alla den einai diko moy to radiofwno akoma.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa sth dikh sas ekpomph, den eipa sto diko sas radiofwno.

XIWTHS: Ston ALPHA, na dhlwnei oti oydepote exei antitaxqei sthn klhteysh kapoioy martyra poy proteinei h antipoliteysh. Qelw na maqw ean h kybernhsh qa symfwnhsei sto aithma, poy qa diatypwqei kai ayrio apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, na klhqei sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias o k. Giannhs Aggeloy.

ANTWNAROS: Otan diatypwqei to sygkekrimeno aithma qa sas apanthsw.

XIWTHS: Oxi, exei hdh diatypwqei apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, aplws qa to epanaferoyn ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipota panw se ayto.

DEMESOYKAS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti yparxei polys xronos gia na ylopoihqoyn oi desmeyseis.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei akomh, eipa, polys xronos. Eimaste sto meson ths tetraetias.

DEMESOYKAS: Ayto, ean moy epitrepete, erxetai se antiqesh me dhmosies dhlwseis poy kanoyn stelexh ths kybernhshs, gia paradeigma, o Nomarxhs Qessalonikhs k. Cwmiadhs xqes...

ANTWNAROS: Den einai stelexos ths kybernhshs o k. Cwmiadhs.

DEMESOYKAS: Symfwnoi, entajei. Xqes, ekane dhlwseis, gia paradeigma, o k. Arhs Sphliwtopoylos ejw apo th Boylh kai eipe oti xreiazetai pollh doyleia akoma, exoyme kaqysterhsei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas to eipa epeidh eipate ``kybernhsh''. Ennoeite profanws stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

DEMESOYKAS: Nai, stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Erxetai, loipon, se antiqesh me ayto poy eipate, dhladh, polla stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias lene oti exoyme kaqysterhsei, oti xreiazetai doyleia kai oti o kosmos perimenei na lyqoyn ta problhmata. Pws to sxoliazete;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh eklegetai gia tessera xronia. Synepws, sto meson ths tetraetias ejakoloyqei na yparxei ikanos xronos, arketos xronos, wste na efarmostoyn ekeina ta shmeia toy kybernhtikoy programmatos ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, ta opoia akoma den exoyn ylopoihqei.

KORAH: H kybernhsh exei adynamies kai poies einai aytes;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota se osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

Sas eyxaristw.

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