Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-03-02

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Aqhna, 2 Martioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, niwqei desmeymenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo to synqhma poy akoysthke dipla stis fwties ``Karamanlh, qymhsoy thn yposxesh soy''; Anaferomai ston ``Kapodistria''.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme apanthsei diejodika sto qema poy sxetizetai me ton ``Kapodistria''. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai para poly safhs. Osa exei pei o armodios ypoyrgos dinoyn apanthseis se ola.

SIDERHS: Bebaia, allo rwthsa egw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Grafthke kai akoysthke xqes oti o k. Korwnias leei oti ola ta stoixeia ta edwse sthn koryfh ths kybernhshs. Exete thn aisqhsh oti ginetai kapoio paixnidi entypwsewn, prokeimenoy na piestei h kybernhsh na kalycei kapoioys poy exoyn anameixqei sto qema twn ypoklopwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ek meroys ths kybernhshs gnwrizw ena kai monadiko pragma: Osa stoixeia eixe h kybernhsh ta edwse qesmika ekei poy eprepe na ta dwsei, sth Dikaiosynh, kai meta -opws gnwrizete- sth dhmosiothta.

BLAXOS: Yparxei enas Amerikanos diplwmaths, o opoios paraithqhke to 2003 apo thn Amerikanikh Presbeia, diamartyromenos gia thn eisbolh twn Amerikanwn sto Irak, o opoios leei oti gnwrize tote thn istoria twn ypoklopwn kai oti anagkasthke o tote presbeyths twn Amerikanwn sthn Aqhna, o k. Miler, na dwsei thn adeia gia na ginoyn aytes oi ypoklopes gia logoys prostasias apo tromokratikes epiqeseis. Qa qelame ena sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, o,ti eixe na pei, to eipe sth Dikaiosynh kai sth synexeia enhmerwse toys Ellhnes polites. Allwste, o en logw Amerikanos diplwmaths, opws eipate kai eseis, den yphrje ypallhlos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, wste na topoqethqoyme emeis.

IWANNOY: Wstoso, ta osa leei o k. Kislingk einai arketa sobara kai qa qelame na mas peite ean yioqetei h kybernhsh h an gnwrizei oti mporei na exoyn kapoia bash ola osa eipe, giati den einai ena tyxaio proswpo, exei foithsei kai sthn Ellada kai gnwrizei para poly kala ton tropo me ton opoio kinoyntai oi amerikanikes mystikes yphresies.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw panw se ayto to qema, to eipa. H dhlwsh moy htan safestath.

IWANNOY: Apokleiete, dhladh, ta osa yposthrizei; Ta apokleiei h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas to epanalabw: O en logw Amerikanos diplwmaths den yphrje ypallhlos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia na topoqethqoyme emeis.

POYLIDOY: Sygnwmh kai den aisqanetai h kybernhsh na qigetai apo tis apokalyceis toy Amerikanoy diplwmath;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote allo panw se ayto. H dhlwsh moy htan safestath.

POYLIDOY: Eseis den aisqaneste thn anagkh na zhthsete peraiterw ejhghseis meta apo ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite pote h Dikaiosynh se opoiodhpote meros toy kosmoy apokalyce, dialeykane mia ypoqesh kataskopias;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw, bebaia, ayth th stigmh na kanw tetoies istorikes anadromes. Gnwrizw oti se para polles dhmokratikes xwres h Dikaiosynh exei antapokriqei sto rolo ths. Eimai bebaios oti kai h ellhnikh Dikaiosynh qa antapokriqei sto diko ths qesmiko rolo. H shmerinh kybernhsh den exei gi` ayto kamia amfibolia.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite poy epimenw, h Dikaiosynh dikazei toys enoxoys toys opoioys omws exoyn hdh apokalycei h (den akoygetai) toy kratoys.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy lete den einai kaqoloy swsto. H Dikaiosynh kanei mia ereyna, h opoia exei sygkekrimena stadia, katopin odhgeitai h ypoqesh sto akroathrio kai meta ginetai h ekdikash. Den einai mono ayto poy eipate eseis. Ayto einai mono mia pleyra ths dikastikhs leitoyrgias.

IWANNOY: Dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy, qa zhthsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh na maqei an ta osa anaferei shmera o k. Kislingk exoyn kapoia bash alhqeias;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw panw se ayto to qema, to eipa.

SIDERHS: Qa mporoysate mhpws na mas ejhghsete ennoiologika poia einai h diafora metajy epistrateyshs kai epitajhs poy eipe xqes o k. Roysopoylos;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, giati den eimai nomikos.

SIDERHS: Ma, exei politiko periexomeno aytos o prosdiorismos.

ANTWNAROS: Xrhsimopoieite dyo nomikoys oroys. Den diaqetw tis aparaithtes eidikes gnwseis poy apaitoyntai, wste na ejeidikeysw th diafora.

KAPRALOS: H kybernhsh meta thn apografh milhse gia ``petrina'' xronia, sto xwro ths oikonomias, twra diabazoyme oti yparxei pleonasma ston Proypologismo. Mhpws hrqe h wra na ginei mia filolaikh strofh ths kybernhshs pros toys adynatoys, na dwsei kapoies paroxes sta koinwnika xamhla strwmata;

ANTWNAROS: Ta stoixeia ekteleshs toy kratikoy proypologismoy, kata ton prwto mhna toy trexontos etoys, dhladh ton Ianoyario, deixnoyn pragmati shmantikh beltiwsh, se sxesh me ton antistoixo mhna toy 2005. H ayjhsh twn esodwn kai h meiwsh twn dapanwn briskontai se kalh troxia. Eidikotera: Ton Ianoyario toy 2006, proekyce pleonasma ycoys 844 ekat. Eyrw, enanti elleimmatos 436 ekat. Eyrw, to antistoixo diasthma toy 2005. Ayto shmainei oti ta taktika esoda ayjhqhkan kata 17,7% enanti toy 2005 kai ta kaqara esoda kata 19,5% yperbainontas kata poly ton ethsio stoxo. Shmantiko einai epishs, oti kata to idio diasthma, dhladh ton Ianoyario toy 2006, oi synolikes dapanes toy taktikoy proypologismoy, paroysiasan meiwsh kata 11,9%, me tis prwtogeneis dapanes na meiwnontai kata 15,1%. H ektelesh toy kratikoy proypologismoy, kata ton prwto mhna toy 2006, opws allwste synebh kai toys treis teleytaioys mhnes toy 2005, exei jeperasei tis probleceis oi opoies periexontan ston proypologismo o opoios chfisthke apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Xreiazetai omws, synexhs prospaqeia. Me ayth th synexh prospaqeia, h opoia prepei na mhn jefygei apo ton dromo poy exei xarajei h kybernhsh, qa mporesoyme na ftasoyme stoys stoxoys poy exei qesei h kybernhsh kai prepei na toys kanoyme pragmatikothta. Den mporei na yparjei kamia parekklish apo th syneph oikonomikh politikh thn opoia efarmozei h kybernhsh. Mono tote, otan pragmatopoihsoyme aytoys toys stoxoys, allwste aytos einai kai o telikos stoxos, o oysiastikos stoxos, dhladh me th staqeropoihsh ths oikonomias qa wfelhqoyn oysiastika, apotelesmatika kai se baqos xronoy oloi oi Ellhnes polites. Kai ayto einai to zhtoymeno.

SIDERHS: Mhpws xreiazetai na exei mia kybernhsh antistoixh stoxeysh. Na qelei na kanei mia filolaikh politikh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas ejhghsa poia einai h oysia ths sygkekrimenhs oikonomikhs politikhs poy exei apofasisei, qelei na efarmosei kai efarmozei me thn yposthrijh twn Ellhnwn politwn h shmerinh kybernhsh. H beltiwsh ths oikonomias einai ayth poy qa odhghsei se oysiastika ofelh gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites. H beltiwsh twn oikonomikwn megeqwn den einai aytoskopos. Einai gia na wfelhqoyme oloi mas kai o kaqenas apo emas.

BLAXOS: Para tis prospaqeies poy kanete na apofygete to qema twn ypoklopwn, egw qelw na epanelqw. Kaqe hmera poy pernaei apokalyptetai oti o k. Syros otan toy anateqhke to Martio toy 2005 h diereynhsh twn synqhkwn katw apo tis opoies aytoktonhse o Tsalikidhs, o k. Syros, oysiastika apo oti apodeiknyetai den ekane tipote kai ekleise thn ypoqesh. Twra poy exei anoijei fainetai na erxontai sto fws ths dhmosiothtas olo kai nea stoixeia. Prin liges hmeres, h kybernhsh ekane agwniwdeis prospaqeies na mhn paraithqei na mhn paei se syntajiodothsh o k. Syros. Yparxei kanenas logos;

ANTWNAROS: Ayta einai dika sas symperasmata. Den mporw bebaia na parakoloyqhsw tis plhrofories tis opoies endexomenws exete. Ayto to opoio gnwrizw einai oti h ereyna diejagetai se baqos. H ereyna einai se ejelijh. Den exw kanena logo na pisteyw oti oloi oi kratikoi foreis stoys opoioys aneteqh kapoio meros ths ereynas den ekanan opws eprepe th doyleia toys.

BLAXOS: Symfwnw se ayto poy lete oti ginetai se baqos twra. Einai profanes omws oti den egine se baqos apo ton k. Syro, o opoios ekleise thn ypoqesh ths aytoktonias grhgora-grhgora. Apodeiknyetai ek twn pragmatwn kyrie Ekproswpe. Giati;

ANTWNAROS: Molis apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Pisteyete, dhladh, oti o k. Syros ekane kala th doyleia toy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa, nomizw, me safhneia.

BLAXOS: Anaferqhkate sto shmera. Oxi sto tote.

ANTWNAROS: H k. Spyrakh exei to logo.

SPYRAKH: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na kanei safh systash pros toys dioikhtes twn trapezwn twn opoiwn to dhmosio einai basikos metoxos, oytws wste synolika h Enwsh Ellhnikwn Trapezwn, na kaqisei sto trapezi me thn OTOE;

ANTWNAROS: Ekane dhlwseis ep` aytoy, me megalh safhneia o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Oi dhlwseis aytes isxyoyn opws akribws tis ekane. H kybernhsh yposthrizei se ola ta epipeda th diejagwgh dialogoy. O dialogos omws den mporei na exei th morfh katanagkasmoy. Pisteyoyme omws oti mesa apo to dialogo twn koinwnikwn etairwn, briskontai panta lyseis, efoson yparxei kai apo tis dyo pleyres -ayto einai aparaithto- h kalh proqesh.

SPYRAKH: Pws protiqetai h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei tis systaseis ths E.E. gia thn ejomoiwsh twn oriwn hlikias andrwn kai gynaikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Einai eidiko qema, gia to opoio den eimai etoimos na sas apanthsw. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston armodio ypoyrgo k. Tsitoyridh. Eimai sigoyros oti qa sas dwsei apanthsh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Dekaefta boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, zhthsan xqes sth Boylh aposxiseis kai allwn koinothtwn ektos apo tis koinothtes poy problepei o nomos ``Kapodistria''. Ayth h ejelijh apotelei kapoio eswkommatiko problhma gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Oi boyleytes, kata to Syntagma, exoyn thn eleyqeria na ekfrazoyn thn apoch toys. H qesh ths kybernhshs gia to sygkekrimeno qema, einai safhs. Th diatypwse o armodios ypoyrgos sth Boylh kai isxyei sto akeraio.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema twn ypoklopwn. Telika h diafylajh twn kalwn sxesewn me tis HPA, einai panw apo to kyros kai thn ajioprepeia ths kybernhshs; Kai ena synafes me ayto, den enoxleitai h kybernhsh apo thn eikona anikanothtas poy deixnei oson afora ton entopismo kai thn apokalych twn ypaitiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas epistrefw ayto to geniko xarakthrismo, th genikh apareskeia, thn opoia ekfrazete pros thn kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Dystyxws, to antiqeto symbainei.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Kakalhs xrhsimopoihse mia lejh thn opoia den einai dynato na dextw s` ayth thn aiqoysa.

KAKALHS: Den exete apodeijei to antiqeto omws.

ANTWNAROS: Lypamai, alla den exete diaqesh na katalabete to antiqeto.

BLAXOS: Jexasate, sas diefyge profanws, na mas kanete ena sxolio gia ta osa eipe xqes o k. Papandreoy. O k. Papandreoy eipe oti ``o Prwqypoyrgos eprepe na zhthsei th bohqeia mas otan dhmioyrghqhke to qema, otan apokalyfthkan oi ypoklopes kai tote qa mporoyse na yparjei mia synergasia kai na mhn emfanizetai twra ws qyma''.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papandreoy exei profanws th dynatothta na kanei to ``aspro'', ``mayro''. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti stoxos twn ypoklopwn htan o Prwqypoyrgos kai koryfaia stelexh ths kybernhshs. Ayto einai adiamfisbhthto. Kai h kybernhsh ekane ayto to opoio epiballoyn to Syntagma, oi nomoi kai to kaqhkon ths. Qesmika enhmerwse th Dikaiosynh amesws, xwris kamia xronotribh. Otan oloklhrwqhke h prokatarktikh ejetash, enhmerwse -opws jerete- diejodikotata xwris na paralhfqoyn leptomereies toys Ellhnes polites.

BLAXOS: Skefteste na kanete agwgh kata ths etaireias; Qa symboyleyate osoys exoyn dei ta onomata toys se ayton ton katalogo, poy sas exei dwsei o k. Korwnias epanalambanw, kai den diapistwqhke apo Anejarthth Arxh ean einai etsi h ean yparxoyn kai alla, aytoys toys anqrwpoys na proxwrhsoyn se agwges;

ANTWNAROS: Den symboyleyw kanenan na kanei tipota.

BLAXOS: San paradeigmatismo ennow, na toys symboyleysete gia na mhn epanalhfqei.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Den dinw symboyles pros tritoys.

BLAXOS: Apanthste moy, ws ekproswpos: Oi ypoyrgoi qa kanoyn agwges enantion ths Vodafone, poy eidan ta onomata toys ston katalogo ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Exete th dynatothta fantazomai, ws egkyros dhmosiografos me kales prosbaseis, na rwthsete kaqenan apo aytoys jexwrista.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to qema twn ypoklopwn: H apanthsh poy dwsete oson afora tis epishmanseis toy Amerikanoy diplwmath toy k. Kislingk sthn oysia afhnei anoikto to endexomeno oti isxyoyn ayta ta opoia eipe. Giati, an den kanw laqos, apo mia prosektikh anagnwsh ths apanthshs sas, sthn oysia lete oti qa prepei na topoqethqei ep` aytoy h amerikanikh kybernhsh. Etsi den eipate; Eipate oti o Amerikanos diplwmaths den yphrje ypallhlos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, wste na topoqethqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, perimenete na topoqethqei h amerikanikh kybernhsh kai sthn oysia afhnete thn yponoia, oti mporei na isxyoyn ayta ta opoia eipe o prwhn Amerikanos diplwmaths.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema tipota allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla etsi afhnete anoixth thn apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, k. Palaiologe, diatypwste thn erwthsh sas gia na sas apanthsw.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh moy einai: Afhnete anoixto to endexomeno na isxyoyn ta osa leei o k. Kislingk o prwhn Amerikanos diplwmaths kai sthn oysia kaleite thn amerikanikh kybernhsh na topoqethqei ep` aytwn.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai dikh sas diapistwsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi den einai diapistwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Erwthsh perimenw na moy kanete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Lete, den yphrje ypallhlos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, wste na yparxei anagkh na topoqethqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Ara, perimenete na topoqethqei h amerikanikh kybernhsh ep` aytoy.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw: Den exw na pw tipota allo ep` aytoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, to afhnete anoixto, sas lew.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw oti osa eixa na pw ep` aytoy toy qematos ta eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla qa meinei anoixto to qema, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto h alla sxolia mporeite na ta kanete, opoy eseis krinete. Apo thn pleyra moy den prokeitai na parw qesh sta dika sas sxolia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, na perimenoyme thn apanthsh ths amerikanikhs pleyras.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa. Parakalw allh erwthsh.

KAKALHS: Ena eidiko qema: Xqes, o kybernhtikos ekproswpos apodokimase thn parempodish toy ergoy twn dhmosiografwn poy synodeyan thn Grammatea toy PASOK sta Nayphgeia Skaramagka. Shmera, omws, h Dioikhsh ths EAB apagoreyse thn eisodo dhmosiografwn poy htan mazi me boyleyth toy KKE. Ti symbainei; Den eisakoyetai o logos toy kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy h symbainei kati allo;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. Den mporei na apagoreyetai h prosbash twn thleoptikwn synergeiwn kai twn dhmosiografwn se xwroys ergasias kai me ayton ton tropo na empodizetai h enhmerwsh twn Ellhnwn politwn. Ayto isxyei se oles tis periptwseis.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me sygxwreite, einai tyxaio oti epi twn hmerwn sas ginontai ayta kai den ginontan prin;

ANTWNAROS: Nai, e;

SIDERHS: Kaqoloy tyxaio den einai. Apla einai mia sklhrynsh apenanti stoys dhmosiografoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. Den eimai proxeiros, ayth th stigmh, na sas pw posa tetoia symbanta eginan twra, posa eginan persi, posa propersi. Profanws, eseis diaqetete kalyterh arxeiakh mnhmh, me thn opoia, omws, qa moy epitrecete na mhn symporeyqw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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