Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-02-16

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Aqhna, 16 Febroyarioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Qa jekinhsw me ena sxolio gia ta osa akoysa na leei shmera o k. Papandreoy sth synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK: ``Oi krayges ths isopedwshs kai oi korwnes toy aneyqynoy laikismoy den mporoyn na krycoyn thn alhqeia. To gegonos, dhladh, oti to PASOK kai ws antipoliteysh paramenei pantote proskollhmeno sto kybernhtiko toy parelqon, se nootropies synthrhtikes, se praktikes adiejodes poy dokimasthkan, apetyxan kai poy ta apotelesmata toys ta plhrwsan kai ta plhrwnoyn akomh oi Ellhnes polites. Oi polites antilambanontai thn anagkh twn allagwn, gi` ayto kai sthrizoyn tis megales qesmikes metarryqmiseis ths kybernhshs''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: O k. Panos Panagiwtopoylos, opws lene oi plhrofories tis opoies qa sas parakaloysa na apodexteite giati einai epibebaiwmenes, diateinetai kai epimenei oti eiste to proswpo to opoio eishghqhke ston Prwqypoyrgo thn apopomph toy. Qa hqela sas parakalw na kanete ena sxolio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den kanw sxolia gia plhrofories genikws kai aoristws. Akoma kai sygkekrimenes dhlwseis na yphrxan, qa sas elega oti sebomai tis dhlwseis olwn twn synadelfwn. Se kaqe periptwsh, sas parakalw poly na qymhqeite ayto to opoio polles fores epanalhfqhke se ayth thn aiqoysa: O anasxhmatismos kai kaqe anasxhmatismos htan kai paramenei pronomio toy ekastote Prwqypoyrgoy. As mhn ypotimoyme, loipon, ton Prwqypoyrgo kai tis epiloges toy.

LEONTITSH: O k. Arhs Sphliwtopoylos shmera, milwntas sto radiofwno toy ``ALPHA'' eipe oti h metakinhsh toy k. Boylgarakh apo to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy htan epibeblhmenh kai afhse kai aixmes malista kata toy k. Boylgarakh, legontas oti h gynaika toy Kaisara den prepei mono na einai timia, alla qa prepei kai na fainetai. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi` ayto. Htan pragmati epibeblhmenh h metakinhsh toy k. Boylgarakh; O k. Sphliwtopoylos proxwrhse akomh perissotero, yposthrizontas oti o idios den pisteye oti qa mpei sto kybernhtiko sxhma, giati einai kommenos apo to periballon toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai se ayth thn erwthsh ``tairiazei ganti'' h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

SIDERHS: Yparxei ena problhma qesmwn kai katastrathghshs ths laikhs entolhs. Otan o k. Palaiokrassas bghke boyleyths kai ton balate sth DEH me apotelesma kapoia stigmh na ton diwjete, twra h k. Mpakogiannh bghke gia mia tetraetia Dhmarxos Aqhnas kai ths zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos na ginei ypoyrgos. Den einai ayto katastrathghsh ths laikhs entolhs kai den shmainei oti grafoyme sta palia mas ta papoytsia toys qesmoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei kai gia to qema Palaiokrassa. Gia to qema de ths k. Mpakogiannh, epishs, qelw na sas qymisw oti sto sxoliasmo poy ekana molis proxqes, anefera ``twra poy plhsiazei h oloklhrwsh ths qhteias''. Qewrw oti den isxyei ayto to opoio lete.

SIDERHS: Ean moy epitrepete, h qhteia ths lhgei 31 Dekembrioy. Emena me endiaferoyn oi qesmoi. Den exete apanthsei gia to qema toy k. Palaiokrassa. Den anaferomai stoys logoys poy apomakrynqhke. Mesa sta dyo xronia ths qhteia sas exete dyo fores katastrathghsei th laikh entolh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti exw apanthsei. Se kaqe periptwsh, h kybernhsh ayth, ta stelexh ayths ths kybernhshs, sebontai toys qesmoys kai ayto to exoyn apodeijei. Alloi einai ekeinoi poy epitiqentai kaqe toso stoys qesmoys.

KAKALHS: Mera anasxhmatismoy xqes, alla thn idia hmera koinopoihqhke egkyklios gia tis DEKO poy pagwnei toys misqoys kai epiballei elastikes sxeseis stoys neoproslambanomenoys. Thn idia hmera o k. Alogoskoyfhs yposxeqhke forologikes apallages kai kinhtra sthn idiwtikh asfalish, enw taytoxrona me ton k. Tsitoyridh apofasisan na epitaxynoyn to dialogo gia to asfalistiko me tis eylogies toy SEB. Aytos einai o stoxos toy anasxhmatismoy sthn prajh; Dhladh, na mhn afhsei tipota orqio h kybernhsh apo tis katakthseis twn ergazomenwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia ton anasxhmatismo exei kanei ektenes sxolio-dhlwsh o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. Se o,ti afora ta ypoloipa, einai qeseis tis opoies exei ejhghsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Dhladh, exei anaferqei dhmosiws kai gia to qema ths idiwtikhs asfalishs poy eipate, alla kai genikotera gia ta asfalistika zhthmata, exoyme kanei, polles fores, syzhthsh edw. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero. Malista, o k. Alogoskoyfhs, poy se ligh wra dinei synenteyjh, eimai bebaios oti qa erwthqei apo synadelfoys sas gia o,ti yparxei sthn epikairothta.

KAKALHS: To nohma ths erwthshs htan oti sklhrainoyn ta xarakthristika ths kybernhshs epi to antilaikotero kai moiazei pio poly me ta xarakthristika ths kybernhshs Mhtsotakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to opoio jekinhse h kybernhsh ws ergo, prin apo peripoy dyo xronia, to opoio synexizei kai qa synexisei, einai na bohqhsei toys Ellhnes polites na zhsoyn akomh kalyteres hmeres se akomh kalyteres synqhkes. Ayto symbainei me oles ekeines tis metarryqmiseis oi opoies, en telei, katalhgoyn se qetika apotelesmata gia ton polith. Otan feygoyme apo agkylwseis toy parelqontos -oi opoies dhmioyrgoysan problhmata, leitoyrgoysan ws troxopedh, eite htan sto periballon twn DEKO, eite htan genikotera sth dhmosia dioikhsh- kai proxwrame se metarryqmiseis antistoixes me aytes poy eginan se polles alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs edw kai xronia, mallon blepoyme pros ta mprosta. Koitame sto mellon kai den menoyme agkylwmenoi se ena parelqon poy apedeije mexri twra oti eixe na dwsei mono problhmata sth dhmosia dioikhsh, sthn oikonomia kai sthn kaqhmerinothta toy polith.

BLAXOS: Ti apantate sto aithma toy k. Giwrgoy Papandreoy gia prowres ekloges;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw kanei, hdh, mia dhlwsh apo proxqes, paroti nomizw oti den yparxei aithma gia ekloges.

BLAXOS: To eipe shmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Akoysa poly kala ti eipe o k. Papandreoy. Se kaqe periptwsh, qa sas qymisw ayto poy toy eipe o k. Karamanlhs sth Boylh. Htan mia paroimia peri toy lagoy poy eseie mia fterh.

BLAXOS: Pisteyete oti fobatai, dhladh, tis ekloges; Ayto mas lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Den jerw ean ephreasate h oxi ton k. Karamanlh gia na diwjei ton k. Panagiwtopoylo. Pantws toy th rixnete kai shmera. Toy lete, dhladh, oti me ayta poy leei ypotima ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ara, ton fernete antimetwpo me ton k. Karamanlh, ean synexisei na mila.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eidate, den apanthsa se kanena sygkekrimeno sxolio. Ekana mia genikh topoqethsh. Allwste, jekinwntas ayth thn wraia syzhthsh poy exoyme edw sto briefing polles fores, eidate oti topoqethqhka me kati poy kai sto parelqon polles fores anefera: O anasxhmatismos einai pronomia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Kai prosqesate ``as mhn ypotimoyme tis epiloges kai ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo''. Poios ton ypotima; Emeis h o k. Panagiwtopoylos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na apanthsw tipote perissotero. Qewrw oti hdh exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres eseis eiste ejafanismenos apo thn epikairothta. Profanws, exete xrhsimopoihsei ton anasxhmatismo gia na apofygete tis apanthseis sto qema twn ypoklopwn kai twn ejelijewn sto qema ths aytoktonias. Mhpws to gegonos oti den sxoliazete, apexete apo ayth thn epikairothta, epibebaiwnei ayto poy leei h pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy oti yparxei prospaqeia sygkalychs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, bgalate ena symperasma poy apexei ths pragmatikothtas. Kaqhmerina exoyme synanthsh. Den yparxei kanenos eidoys logikh se ayto poy lete.

BLAXOS: Exete kanei kapoia dhlwsh ta teleytaia dyo 24wra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean qelete na kanw mia dhlwsh ana mia wra gia to qema twn ypoklopwn, den qa sas kanw to xatiri.

BLAXOS: Ta tria 24wra omws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na milhsoyme, omws, genika gia tis ypoklopes. Exoyn ginei toses polles erwthseis kai exoyn doqei toses polles apanthseis se aythn thn aiqoysa poy to teleytaio poy qa perimena na akoysw htan ayto. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, qelw eilikrina na sas eyxaristhsw apo thn kardia moy, giati moy dinete mia eykairia na pw kati gia tis ypoklopes: Exoyme ftasei se ena shmeio, to opoio exei jeperasei kaqe orio episthmonikhs fantasias. Qa ejhghsw amesws ti ennow. Qelw, apeyqynomenos se esas kai di` ymwn stoys Ellhnes polites, na skefteite osoi parakoloyqeite ayth thn wra kai osoi mporei na akoysoyn th dhlwsh moy, ti qa eixe symbei ean parakoloyqeito oxi o Prwqypoyrgos toy PASOK, o Prwqypoyrgos-melos toy PASOK, alla kapoios synergaths Prwqypoyrgoy toy PASOK. Qa eixe hrwopoihqei. Qa eixe arxisei enas epanastatikos agwnas. Qa eixan ginei dhlwseis peri den jerw kai egw poiwn agnwstwn exqrwn poy parakoloyqoyn k.lp. Edw parakoloyqeitai o Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Karamanlhs, o Prwqypoyrgos kai arxhgos ths Neas Dhmokratias, parakoloyqoyntai ypoyrgoi ths Neas Dhmokratias kai -oyte ligo oyte poly- kapoioi mas zhtane kai ta resta. Mas kathgoroyn kai apo panw. Ayto einai mia politikh epishmansh, giati den mporei na einai koinwniologikh. Pisteyw oti h koinwnia katalabainei poly kala kai bgazei ta dika ths symperasmata. Einai mia politikh epishmansh gia orismenoys poy prospaqoyn na antistrecoyn thn pragmatikothta.

SIDERHS: Ma, den sas kathgoroyn oti eseis balate toys korioys kai parakoloyqoysate alloys. Gia anikanothta na antimetwpisete thn katastash kai na th diereynhsete sas egkaloyn. Gia to oti egine epi twn hmerwn sas kai eseis twra to antistrefete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean anafere kaneis thn kathgoria poy lete. Se kaqe periptwsh, qa xarakthrize opoion thn eipe. Ekeino to opoio epanalambanw -kai to epanalambanw exontas plhrh syneidhsh toy ti sas lew kai sas parakalw na to janaskefteite- einai oti exoyme mia kybernhsh, mia kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, h opoia parakoloyqeitai enw parakoloyqeitai kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai arxhgos toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai lew: Fantasoy, Ellhna polith, na parakoloyqeito Prwqypoyrgos kai arxhgos toy PASOK. Qa eixan shkwqei ta panw-katw se ayto ton topo. Edw parakoloyqeitai o arxhgos ths Neas Dhmokratias, o Prwqypoyrgos poy einai kai melos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai epeidh einai Nea Dhmokratia -kai profanws kai se kapoioys den aresei- exoyn leitoyrghsei diafora syndroma, syndroma parelqontos. Ta blepoyme. Ton k. Papandreoy ton eidame. Prospaqei na brei sanida eswkommatikhs swthrias, anabiwnontas syndroma parelqontos. Giati den mporei na staqei diaforetika sto diko toy eswkommatiko pedio. Kai ftanoyme na epitiqentai ston Prwqypoyrgo poy parakoloyqeitai, mono kai mono epeidh einai Nea Dhmokratia. Giati ean o Prwqypoyrgos poy parakoloyqeitai htan PASOK, bebaiws, qa eixe ginei hrwas, epanalambanw.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw se o,ti afora to qema ths promhqeias polemikwn aeroskafwn. Isxyei h oxi oti 24wra prin thn apopomph toy apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, o apelqwn pleon ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas k. Sphliwtopoylos, eixe ypogracei epipleon paraggelia gia deka F-16 kai an ayto erxetai se antidiastolh me osa oi plhrofories anaferoyn oti syzhthqhkan xqes sth synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me th Germanida Kagkelario gia thn endexomenh paraggelia Eurofighter apo thn pleyra ths Elladas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ayto to opoio lete. Eimai bebaios omws oti o k. Sphliwtopoylos, kaq` olh th diadromh toy sto diasthma twn dyo xronwn poy dietelese ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynhs, exei kinhqei sto plaisio twn apofasewn poy elhfqhsan sto Kybernhtiko Symboylio Ejwterikwn kai Amynas. Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero. Opws gnwrizete, den synodeyw ton Prwqypoyrgo sto tajidi. An yparxei kati, qa eipwqei apo ton anaplhrwth Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo poy synodeyei ton Prwqypoyrgo, opws epishs ton synodeyoyn kai synadelfoi sas.

TSIODRAS: Den mporw na katalabw se sxesh me tis ypoklopes, gia poio logo qa prepei na dwsoyme sygxarhthria sthn kybernhsh otan parakoloyqeitai o Prwqypoyrgos, koryfaioi Ypoyrgoi, h hgesia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, h hgesia twn swmatwn asfaleias. Dhladh, oloi oi krisimoi krikoi ths kratikhs mhxanhs parakoloyqoyntai. Den katalabainw giati ayto den apotelei, giati den prepei na problhmatizei toys Ellhnes polites kai giati den qa prepei na epikrinoyn thn kybernhsh h opoia den qwrakizei, prwta ap` ola, ton eayto ths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qelw na sas adikhsw, alla ontws den katalabate. Dioti katarxas, den zhthsa sygxarhthria apo kanenan.

TSIODRAS: Oxi. Eipate ``mas epikrinete''. Bebaiws, kai einai logiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Deyteron, ekana mia politikh parathrhsh, opws eipa dyo fores. Den apeyqynomai stoys dhmosiografoys kanontas politikes parathrhseis, apeyqynomai se alla politika kommata, sto klima poy prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn. Kai eipa mia alhqeia, thn opoia blepoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites kai ekana mia eikasia, paroti den synhqizw na eikotologw sthn aiqoysa ayth, opws gnwrizete, kai arnoymai na apanthsw se erwthmata eikotologias. Ekana, loipon, mia eikasia apeyqynomenos ston Ellhna polith. Kai qa epanalabw gia trith fora: Fantasoy Ellhna polith na parakoloyqeito o Prwqypoyrgos poy qa htan toy PASOK. Qa eixe ginei hrwas o Prwqypoyrgos toy PASOK.

TSIODRAS: Oxi mono toy PASOK.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Twra parakoloyqeitai o Prwqypoyrgos poy einai ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ton kathgoroyme kai apo panw, anti na doyme to pws leitoyrghse, entos toy qesmikoy plaisioy, me sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta. Na afhsoyme th Dikaiosynh h opoia ereyna thn ypoqesh na dwsei to teliko ths apotelesma, na ftasei kapoy, exoyme -den to kanoyme emeis apo thn kybernhsh, kapoioi to kanoyn- na antimetwpisoyme ekeines tis fwnes, tis krayges qa elega, poy sthn prospaqeia toys na bgoyn apo thn politikh toys afaneia, dhmioyrgoyn entypwseis. Ayto kai tipota perissotero.

TSIODRAS: Den exei eyqynh h hgesia ths EYP, kapoios gia to gegonos oti den exei qwrakistei h pyramida ths kratikhs ejoysias apo tetoioy eidoys fainomena parakoloyqhsewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yposthrizw polles fores oti to kratos exei synexeia. Kai to yposthrija kai sta kala kai sta asxhma. Alloi einai ekeinoi kai se allo komma anhkoyn poy qewroyn oti ta kala ta ekanan monoi toys kai ta asxhma ta kanoyn oloi oi ypoloipoi.

BLAXOS: Qelw na sas eyxaristhsw kai egw me th seira moy, apo thn kardia moy, gia thn apanthsh poy moy dwsate, alla qelw na sas pw to ejhs: Yparxei kamia antikeimenikh arxh poy ekane thn ereyna kai eide oti den parakoloyqeitai o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, alloi epixeirhmaties kai alloi politikoi; O katalogos doqhke apo ton k. Korwnia se sas, se ena dwmatio poy hsastan apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs to ena meros kai apo thn allh o k. Korwnias kai poy den yparxei enas antikeimenikos kriths gia na pei oti aytos o katalogos doqhke opws einai sthn pragmatikothta kai den sbhsthkan sth diarkeia ayths ths synanthshs kapoia onomata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei o,ti exw pei.

SIDERHS: Se sxesh me tis kataggelies poy ekane o k. Alabanos. Synhqws apantate sto PASOK alla den eida kamia apanthsh aytes tis meres ston k. Alabano gia ta 90.000 thlefwna kai gia th syskech poy ekane prwhn kybernhtiko stelexos me tis etaireies kinhths thlefwnias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ta stoixeia poy exei o k. Alabanos. Fantazomai oti an exei kapoia stoixeia, qa ta kataqesei kai sth dhmosia zwh kai bebaiws qa ta ajiopoihsei kai h Dikaiosynh.

SIDERHS: Prokalese pantws thn kybernhsh na toy apanthsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

XIWTHS: Mia erwthsh epeidh den katalaba thn apanthsh poy dwsate. Sxetizetai h metakinhsh toy k. Boylgarakh sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy me toys xeirismoys poy ekane sthn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn, nai h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh poy edwsa htan jekaqarh. Eipa oti mia apo tis pronomies toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai na epilejei poioys qa topoqethsei kai se poies qeseis ws Ypoyrgoys. H krish einai toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den qa ejhghsw thn krish toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

XIWTHS: H deyterh erwthsh moy exei na kanei me ton mexri protinos yfypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs. Exei ftasei mia dikografia sth Boylh alla akoma h kybernhsh den exei topoqethqei gia to an o k. Markogiannakhs exei h oxi politikh eyqynh gia thn promhqeia twn systhmatwn asfaleias enocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Markogiannakhs xeiristhke ayth thn ypoqesh thn opoia mas klhronomhse to PASOK. Exei kanei hdh mia dhlwsh sthn opoia anaferei me safhneia oti den ypesth kamia blabh to ellhniko dhmosio apo th diakybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Einai mia ypoqesh anoixth akoma. Den exei kleisei, dhladh, h diapragmateysh. Synexizetai gia na epityxoyme ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata gia th xwra mas. Ontws, afora kapoia systhmata asfaleias sto Limeniko Swma, an den me apata h mnhmh moy. Den yparxei kati to opoio na einai mempto gia thn poreia kai th diaxeirish poy egine -to antiqeto qa elega- apo thn pleyra toy prwhn yfypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajews. Einai systhmata asfaleias ta opoia paraggelqhkan kai ta mona xrhmata, epishs an to gnwrizw kala to qema, poy exoyn plhrwqei mexri twra, exoyn plhrwqei apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Pantws, den exei oloklhrwqei akomh h diapragmateysh.

KAKALHS: Thn prospaqeia hrwopoihshs gia to qema twn ypoklopwn, den thn apefyge kai h kybernhsh, otan dhlwnei oti einai stoxos kai qyma ths ypoqeshs sthn prospaqeia ths na peisei oti exei kaqe logo gia na lamcei h alhqeia. Ki omws, den exei kanei tipota gia na apokalycei poioi thn parakoloyqoysan. Den exei pei tipota ston ellhniko lao gia na pei poioi htan oi drastes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ``tipota'' einai mia dikh sas ektimhsh. H dikh moy gnwsh, sthn opoia sas exoyme kanei koinwnoys, einai oti apo thn prwth stigmh ayth h ypoqesh phre to dromo ths Dikaiosynhs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Eimai bebaios oti qa gnwrizete pws h ypoyrgopoihsh ths k. Ntoras Mpakogiannh efere, ypoboskei mia anhsyxia ston kypriako Ellhnismo, sxetika me thn politikh thn opoia qa thrhsei apo dw kai pera sto Kypriako qema logw prosfatwn dhlwsewn ths epi toy sxedioy Anan. Erwtw: Qa askhqei h idia ejwterikh politikh apo thn k. Mpakogiannh, ayth poy akoloyqhse mexri shmera o k. Molybiaths kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh h kati anamenetai na allajei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa mporoysa na sas parapemcw sthn apanthsh poy edwse xqes o Prwqypoyrgos se erwthsh synadelfoy sas sto Berolino. Ennoeitai oti h ejwterikh politikh mias xwras den kaqorizetai apo proswpa, alla kentrika. Kai se polles periptwseis, opws jerete, h ejwterikh politikh den allazei akomh kai me allages kybernhsewn. Yparxoyn qemata, opws einai ta eqnika, sta opoia h proseggish diaxronika paramenei h idia.

BLAXOS: Na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno erwthma moy. Sthn peribohth synanthsh sto Megaro Majimoy, htan apo th mia pleyra o k. Boylgarakhs, o opoios efyge apo to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai phge sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy. Htan o k. Korwnias, gia ton opoio h kybernhsh mono kala logia exei. Moy dinete thn entypwsh oti toys antameibete. Ara gia kapoio logo toys antameibete. Lete kala logia gia ton k. Korwnia. Bazete ton k. Boylgarakh apo ena Ypoyrgeio se ena allo Ypoyrgeio, den phge spiti toy opws phgan alloi ypoyrgoi, opws o k. Sphliwtopoylos h o k. Panagiwtopoylos. Gia poio logo; Exei ginei kati s` ayth th synanthsh; Exei sxesh me to@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na anterwthsw loipon: Gia poio logo diastrefete ta legomena moy;

BLAXOS: Egw; Den anaferomai se tipote diko sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme topoqethqei jekaqara apo thn prwth stigmh. Kai exoyme topoqethqei se mia seira ypoqesewn, poso mallon se ayth thn ypoqesh. Oydeis einai yperanw toy nomoy, opoy kai an brisketai. Se o,ti afora ta opoia proswpa exoyn emplakei, apo opoies etaireies -h etaireia einai mia sygkekrimenh- sthn ypoqesh ayth, h Dikaiosynh einai ayth poy qa parei tis apofaseis ths. Emeis den ephreazoyme th Dikaiosynh. Den prokeitai na paremboyme sth Dikaiosynh kai na poyme ti na kanei. Ayta ta ekanan alloi. Prwton ayto. Deyteron.

BLAXOS: Anafereste ston k. Korwnia, profanws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Deyteron: O k. Boylgarakhs einai ena shmantiko stelexos ths paratajhs ths Neas Dhmokratias, ena proswpo to opoio xrhmatise dyo xronia ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs kai twra einai ypoyrgos Politismoy. Den antilambanomai ayth thn emmesh, ypotimhtikh qa elega, krish thn opoia kanete. Den symfwnw kaqoloy mazi sas.

MPOTSARAKOS: Se prohgoymenes apanthseis poy exete dwsei, alla kai se mia shmerinh, moy dhmioyrgeitai enas problhmatismos. Eipate, se sxesh me tis eyqynes gia th qwrakish apo tis ypoklopes, oti to kratos exei synexeia. Allh fora, mas exete pei oti den mporoyme na doyme poso pisw htan, oyte kai to PASOK qa mporoyse na mas pei, poso pisw exoyn jekinhsei oi ypoklopes. Qelw na rwthsw loipon, yparxoyn kapoies endeijeis oti mporei oi ypoklopes na eixan jekinhsei kata th diarkeia ths qhteias ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw erwthqei ep` aytoy. Qa moy epitrecete na mhn janampw sto gaitanaki twn idiwn erwthsewn me tis idies apanthseis.

MPOTSARAKOS: Rwtw, ean yparxei kapoia endeijh gia to pote jekinhsan, epeidh den einai safes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Exw erwthqei. Den exei allajei tipote apo thn teleytaia fora poy rwthqhka kai apanthsa. Anatrejate se ena briefing ths perasmenhs ebdomadas kai qa breite thn apanthsh moy.

TSIODRAS: Shmera to ``PONTIKI'' dhmosieyei oti pente praktores ths EYP exoyn teqei se diaqesimothta gia thn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn. Qa hqela na jerw an alhqeyei h plhroforia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

SIDERHS: Sto qema poy anefere o k. Mpotsarakos, exete proklhqei kai apo to PASOK, mia kai to kratos exei synexeia na anaferetai ean yphrxan parakoloyqhseis prohgoymenws h oxi kai pote arxisan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite;

SIDERHS:To PASOK isxyrizetai oti yparxoyn ta stoixeia. Afoy yparxei h synexeia toy kratoys, ean yphrxan parakoloyqhseis -kai nomimes akomh- qa mporoysate na to jerete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an to exei pei ayto to PASOK, giati qa htan san na paradexetai to PASOK oti kati gnwrize tosa xronia kai to ekrybe.

SIDERHS: Oxi@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Etsi opws moy to metaferete edw pantws, einai san kati na gnwrize kai to ekrybe. En pash periptwsei, ean exei kapoia stoixeia to PASOK, giati na mhn ta kataqesei; Qa exei poly endiaferon na ta akoysoyme.

SIDERHS: Wraia, sas metaferw ti ginetai. Bghkan stelexh sas sta ``paraqyra'' kai elegan: ``Ma, oi parakoloyqhseis eixan jekinhsei epi PASOK''. Kai o k. Aqanasakhs prokalese thn kybernhsh, sto plaisio ths arxhs ths synexeias toy kratoys, na dwsei stoixeia ean oi parakoloyqhseis eixan arxisei apo to PASOK.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy lete kati allo twra. Exw apanthsei hdh kai to eipa kai ston k. Mpotsarako. Parakalw na anatrejete se ena briefing twn perasmenwn hmerwn, gia na deite ti exw apanthsei sto sygkekrimeno qema.

MIXAHLIDHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio, gia ena eswteriko eggrafo poy diakinei h Dieyqynsh Dieyrynshs ths Commission kai protrepei toys ypallhloys na onomazoyn thn prwhn Gioygkoslabikh Dhmokratia ths Makedonias, ``Makedonia''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei probei hdh se dhlwsh o Ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, o k. Koymoytsakos, h opoia kalyptei apolytws thn kybernhsh. Sas parapempw s` aythn.

SKALKOS: H anabolh syzhthshs gia th sygkentrwsh kai thn adeiodothsh, logw anasxhmatismoy, sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, shmainei kai anabolh twn hmeromhniwn poy ligo ews poly eixate anakoinwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den allazei tipote, giati oytws h allws, opws gnwrizete, apo ekeinh thn hmera, apo thn perasmenh Deytera dhladh, h syzhthsh htan enhmerwtikoy xarakthra pros thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Den eprokeito na paroysiastei kanena nomosxedio giati einai akomh anoixth h diadikasia toy dialogoy.

BLAXOS: Mhpws mporeite na mas entopisete th xronikh stigmh, poy o k. Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwqhke apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys, oti yparxei kai mia aytoktonia stelexoys ths Vodafone, thn opoia caxnoyme na broyme ean exei sxesh h oxi; Se poia xronikh stigmh epishmanqhke ston Prwqypoyrgoy oti yparxei kai ayth h aytoktonia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero. Exw erwthqei kai gi` ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: Oxi, s` ayto den exete erwthqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh sto parelqon eixe apokhryjei -an kai oxi kathgorhmatika- thn idea na metatrapei h xwra se zwnh fqhnhs ergatikhs dynamhs. Kai omws, o diorismenos apo thn kybernhsh proedros ths Eqnikhs, o k. Arapogloy, dhlwse xqes sth Boylh, oti einai ejairetika ychlh h kata kefalhn dapanh gia toys trapezoypallhloys, otan oi amoibes kymainontai apo 700 ews 1200 eyrw. Profanws, pantws, o k. Arapogloy, den ekfrazei proswpikh apoch kai poly perissotero den ekfrazei apoch poy na diafwnei me thn kybernhsh. Giati den leei eyqews h kybernhsh oti ta merokamata kai oi misqoi einai empodio sthn antagwnistikothta; Poly perissotero poy proxqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs, symfwnhse me thn odhgia ``Mpolkestain''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, den exei symfwnhsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs me kamia odhgia ``Mpolkestain''. Deyteron, h odhgia ``Mpolkestain'' exei allajei toso poly, poy einai san na mhn yparxei pia. Triton@

KAKALHS: Symfwnhse. Ebgale anakoinwsh kai to Ypoyrgeio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Triton, gnwrizete thn anakoinwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh, poy einai analytikh kai h opoia perigrafei tis qeseis ths xwras mas. Tetarton, o k. Alogoskoyfhs dinei synenteyjh Typoy, ayth thn wra, epi olwn twn qematwn oikonomikhs fysews. As mhn ypotimoyme kai toys synadelfoys sas toy oikonomikoy reportaz, na bgaloyn kai aytoi to cwmi toys.

KAKALHS: Thn apoch toy k. Arapogloy, ennow egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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