Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-10-13

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Aqhna, 13 Oktwbrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, me qema syzhthshs to nomosxedio toy Ypoyrgeioy PEXWDE. O k. Soyflias exei hdh probei se dhlwseis, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, enw se ligh wra qa paraqesei synenteyjh Typoy stoys syntaktes poy kalyptoyn ta qemata toy YPEXWDE.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: O k. Salagkoydhs einai ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai yfypoyrgos.

BLAXOS: Einai yfypoyrgos kai shmera, ayth th stigmh poy milame;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai.

BLAXOS: Gi` ayta poy exei pei gia enan emporo narkwtikwn, o opoios telika exei parei th doyleia sth Xalkidikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Salagkoydhs exei ekdwsei analytikh kai eparkh anakoinwsh gi` ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: Ton kalyptei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ekdwsei analytikh kai eparkh anakoinwsh.

BLAXOS: Nai, to katalaba. H kybernhsh ton kalyptei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Qelw na jerw, ean to kalyptete. H lejh ``kalych'' qelw na akoystei apo ta xeilh sas. Einai shmantiko ayto sthn politikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti oydepote dienohqhn na epiballw se dhmosiografo ti qa pei. Anarwtiemai pws prospaqeite na epiballete poia lejh qa xrhsimopoihsw. Anarwtiemai pragmatika. Sas eipa oti h anakoinwsh toy k. Salagkoydh einai analytikh kai eparkhs. Oyden eteron.

BLAXOS: An symperanw oti den ton kalyptei h kybernhsh, einai swsto to symperasma moy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Ayto to symperasma. Peite moy, an exw swsto symperasma an pw oti o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos apefyge na kalycei ton k. Salagkoydh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta ellhnika poy xrhsimopoihsa einai arketa safh.

SIDERHS: O k. Salagkoydhs xarakthrise neanika paraptwmata aytoy poy kapote elege emporo narkwtikwn kai Drakoyla ths Transylbanias. Den einai gia thn kybernhsh diarkes to paraptwma toy k. Salagkoydh, otan twra synergazetai mazi toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia otidhpote kai an rwthqw gyrw apo to qema, qa sas parapemcw sthn anakoinwsh toy, h opoia -epanalambanw- einai analytikh kai eparkhs.

IWANNOY: Politika k. Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoio zhthma gia thn kybernhsh, dedomenoy oti prosfata eixame kai kapoio allo zhthma kai pali me yfypoyrgo ths kybernhshs; Pisteyete oti ola ayta poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas plhttoyn thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite, legontas ``an yparxei politika kapoio zhthma'';

IWANNOY: Ennow, an ayth h energeia toy k. Salagkoydh, asxeta apo tis ejhghseis poy ekeinos dinei, pisteyete oti plhttoyn thn eikona ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete diabasei thn anakoinwsh toy;

IWANNOY: Oxi akoma. Gi` ayto sas rwtw politika, oxi epi toy sygkekrimenoy@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, diabaste thn anakoinwsh kai qa labete kai se ayto apanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Efoson o k. Salagkoydhs paramenei yfypoyrgos, na ypoqesoyme oti h Nea Dhmokratia ekane aneyqynh antipoliteysh otan anebaze toys tonoys gia tetoia qemata sth Boylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanta kai sto qema ths dhlwshs toy sth Boylh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Yparxei kai ena akomh qema poy afora thn kybernhsh, to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias. To qema poy dhmosieyei se prwtoselido reportaz toy h efhmerida ``TO BHMA'' kai afora th nomarxiakh organwsh ths Neas Dhmokratias toy Boloy. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gi` aytoys poy ypejairesan, symfwna me to dhmosieyma, ta xrhmata twn organwsewn, twn stelexwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An den exei hdh ekdoqei, qa ekdoqei anakoinwsh apo to grafeio Typoy ths Neas Dhmokratias. Exw epikoinwnhsei me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Meimarakh, o opoios hdh exei dwsei entolh na diejaxqei ereyna gia to qema.

BLAXOS: O en logw kyrios, o Roymanos ennow, einai emporos narkwtikwn h den einai emporos gia thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei se ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: Einai emporos narkwtikwn h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei se ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Einai ejeidikeymenh. Se ayto den exete apanthsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh dhlwnei oti exei apanthqei to qema me analytiko tropo kai me eparkeia.

BLAXOS: An aytos einai emporos narkwtikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola ta zhthmata ta opoia qigontai.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite. Egw allo rwtw. An exei ginei ereyna apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Salagkoydhs, me thn anakoinwsh toy, apanta kai se ayto.

BLAXOS: Ma, den einai arxh asfaleias o k. Salagkoydhs gia na pei an einai emporos narkwtikwn. O k. Salagkoydhs asxoleitai me ena sygkekrimeno rolo. H kybernhsh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia arxaia rhsh poy leei ``mhdeni dikhn dikaseis prin amfoin myqon akoyseis''.

BLAXOS: Egw den qelw na dikasw kanena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakalesw na diabasete thn anakoinwsh toy yfypoyrgoy kai sth synexeia kai ayrio kai meqayrio qa exoyme edw thn kaqhmerinh mas politikh enhmerwsh gia na rwthsete o,ti qelete.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw, tetoioy eidoys apofaseis, opws aforoyn thn paraxwrhsh metalliwn, epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy se idiwtes, lambanontai apo toys yfypoyrgoys; Exoyn ayth th dynatothta; Sygkaleitai h Kybernhtikh Epitroph; Mesa sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs h alloy ginontai kapoies diadikasies; Poia einai h leitoyrgia gia tetoioy eidoys zhthmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isws agnoeite to qema. Exei ginei nomos epi PASOK kai h symbash ayth ypografhke epi PASOK. Einai mia symbash sthn opoia metexoyn para polloi etairoi.

SIDERHS: Einai ekeinh poy kathggeile o k. Salagkoydhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai polla gnwsta onomata epixeirhmatiwn, epishs.

SARANTAKOS: Nai. Epeidh einai ayth poy kathggeile o k. Salagkoydhs, gi` ayto@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth h symbash exei ginei epi kybernhsews toy PASOK kai ayto apantatai mesa sthn anakoinwsh.

SIDERHS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada eipe oti to komma den kratikopoieitai. Eixame omws apokalyceis oti h mish sxedon Kentrikh Epitroph exei hdh kratikopoihqei. Niwqei ekteqeimenos o Prwqypoyrgos gi` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete megalo laqos. Den eixame tetoies apokalyceis. Se synolo 550 melwn ths K.E., 65 melh exoyn labei kaqara politikes qeseis se dioikhtika symboylia, htoi peripoy to 8%. Sthn periodo toy PASOK eixame ena pososto ths tajhs toy 90%-95%, opoy den htan mono se dioikhtika symboylia, htan se emmisqes qeseis. Allo h emmisqh h amisqh qesh sto D.S., opoy einai mia kaqara politikh qesh kai prowqeitai h politikh ths kybernhshs kai ths ekastote kybernhshs -se pososto ths tajhs toy 8% poy sas anefera- kai allo ayto to opoio eixe kataggelqei polles fores, otan hmastan antipoliteysh, gia thn kybernhsh toy PASOK.

SIDERHS: Aporw me thn apanthsh sas. Jerete oti jeroyme pws den einai 500, einai ex oficcio oi perissoteroi kai einai 150 oi eklegmenoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. Sas parakalw na diabasete akribws to Katastatiko kai na deite poia @

SIDERHS: Kai mesa se 18 mhnes exete ena pososto stelexwshs toy kratoys poy qa to zhleyan kai ta mpaaqika kommata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epanalambanw oti se politikes qeseis, opws einai ta D.S., topoqetoyntai politika proswpa gia na prowqhsoyn th sygkekrimenh politikh gia thn opoia chfisthke ayth h kybernhsh.

SOYGLERHS: Ta politika proswpa einai gegonos oti prowqoyn to politiko ergo kai prepei kapws etsi na ginetai. To kathgorw omws -poy einai apo thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh s` ayth th sygkekrimenh fash, pws mporei na antimetwpistei apo thn kybernhsh- poy teinei na ginei kaqestws. Apo th mia meria lete gia noymera 95%, apo thn allh (den akoygetai). Mporei h kybernhsh na synexisei xwris ta kommatika ths stelexh; Na perasei thn politikh ths grammh 19 mhnes meta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: En antiqesei me ayto poy ekane h prohgoymenh kybernhsh sta dioikhtika symboylia pollwn organismwn poy yparxoyn ston topo mas, ayth h kybernhsh peran twn politikwn stelexwn, protimhse kyriws na stelexwsei, me episthmones oi opoioi exoyn eidikeymenes gnwseis gia kaqe eidoys organismo poy stelexwnetai apo dioikhtika symboylia.

XIWTHS: Epeidh anaferqhkate se ena dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas TO BHMA. Ta 65 melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa se mia erwthsh. Den gnwrizw se poia efhmerida exei grafei.

XIWTHS: Einai apo dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas TO BHMA. Ta 65 melh ths K.E. einai to 50% peripoy apo ta 150 eklegmena melh. Qa hqela na rwthsw, poio einai to pososto to opoio gia sas einai apodekto; Eipate to 95% poy isxye epi PASOK den htan apodekto. To 50% poy einai epi Neas Dhmokratias einai apodekto. Apo poio pososto kai meta ginetai mh apodekth h symmetoxh melwn ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs se kratikes qeseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas, kanate mia epilektikh anafora se ariqmo melwn. H Kentrikh Epitroph exei synoliko ariqmo melwn. Milhsa kai gia to pososto, milhsa kai gia tis qeseis tis opoies exoyn katalabei ayta ta sygkekrimena melh. Den einai diorismoi genikotera. Einai kaqara politikes qeseis se dioikhtika symboylia organismwn, opoy oi apofaseis poy lambanontai einai politikes. Einai politikh kai h prowqhsh toy programmatos ths Neas Dhmokratias gia to opoio chfisthke ayth h kybernhsh. Einai teleiws diaforetika ta megeqh apo apoch posostwn, teleiws diaforetikh h logikh.

XIWTHS: Akoysa thn apoch sas alla asfalws apo ta 550 melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs profanws den mporoyn na laboyn kratikh qesh proswpa opws h k. Ntora Mpakogiannh poy einai Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn kai metexei ex oficcio sthn Kentrikh Epitroph.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw ti qelete na peite. Qa afairesoyme osoys exoyn kapoia allh doyleia kai qa poyme tosoys exei h Kentrikh Epitroph; H exei ayto ton ariqmo h den exei. Einai pragmatikothta h den einai

ayta ta opoia sas lew;

XIWTHS: Einai pragmatikothta aplws prospaqeite na ypobaqmisete to gegonos oti apo ta eklegmena melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ena pososto poy plhsiazei to 50% katexei politikes qeseis poy den synadei me thn arxh poy ejepemce o Prwqypoyrgos oti to komma den qa exei sxesh me to kratos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akomh kai an dexqw ayto to opoio lete -paroti exw apanthsei- qa sas pw oti to 65 den einai to 50% toy 150 to opoio eseis anaferate.

PAPAGIANNHS: Shmera sto filiko Typo pros th Nea Dhmokratia, yparxoyn dhmosieymata ta opoia kanoyn logo gia parapoihsh ths pragmatikothtas, kyriws sta hlektronika MME. Ayta ta dhmosieymata proerxontai apo diarroes toy Megaroy Majimoy, aphxoyn tis apoceis ths kybernhshs h exete diaforetikh qesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apoch ths kybernhshs, thn opoia exw ekfrasei polles fores gia qemata Typoy, einai oti oi dhmosiografoi, o Typos, ta MME en genei, eleyqera kanoyn th doyleia toys.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos kalese ton k. Salagkoydh na dwsei eparkeis ejhghseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Ton kalese kapoios allos Ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Rwthste sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Fantazomai synomilhse me ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfa.

BLAXOS: Eseis tote pws maqate thn anakoinwsh toy k. Salagkoydh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite pws thn emaqa; Ekdoqhke anakoinwsh.

BLAXOS: Kai thn esteile prwta se sas kai meta stoys dhmosiografoys;

SIDERHS: Ayto den antistrateyetai ekeino poy eipate ``mhdeni dikhn dikaseis prin amfoin myqon akoyseis''; Giati den synebh ayto kai gia ton k. Regkoyza;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To antiqeto. Edw exoyme na kanoyme me mia ypoqesh thn opoia me analytiko tropo kai me eparkeia perigrafei sthn anakoinwsh toy o k. Salagkoydhs. Parakalw diabaste th.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, isxyei h desmeysh ths kybernhshs poy eixe analabei sto parelqon, oti telikh apofash gia to zhthma ths onomasias twn Skopiwn qa epikyrwqei apo to Symboylio twn Politikwn Arxhgwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei o,ti exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos gia to zhthma ayto.

GKOYTZANHS: Kati diadikastiko kai gia ton k. Salagkoydh. Epeidh eipate oti ejedwse anakoinwsh, emeis den thn exoyme dei, ypoqetw oti thn exei dei o Prwqypoyrgos, krinontai eparkeis oi ejhghseis poy edwse;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw thn entypwsh oti apanthsa treis fores me thn idia lejh poy xrhsimopoihsate, apo thn arxh ths shmerinhs politikhs enhmerwshs

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me to Skopiano, qa hqela na jerw se poia periptwsh h kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno toy dhmochfismatos opws fanhke apo thn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Molybiaths exei kanei hdh, ektos anakoinwsews, dhlwsh, ejerxomenos toy prwqypoyrgikoy grafeioy. Qa meinw se aythn.

TSIODRAS: Den qewreite oti qa apotelesei antikeimeno politikhs antiparaqeshs ena qema ejwterikhs politikhs to opoio mas exei talaipwrhsei arketa sto parelqon, otan ginontan syllalhthria, otan katebaine o kosmos stoys dromoys, den dyskolece se ekeinh th fash thn ellhnikh ejwterikh politikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero. Qewrw oti oi anakoinwseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn einai eparkeis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Baitsos htan Ypoyrgos toy PASOK kai eixe topoqethqei apo ton k. Shmith Proedros toy Dieqnh Aerolimena Aqhnwn. H kybernhsh toy ananewse pali th symbash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Qa enhmerwqw apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio.

KAKALHS: Sto qema twn Skopiwn, h kybernhsh mexri poio shmeio qa ftasei sto zhthma ths onomasias, sto symbibasmo; Dhladh qa dextei onoma poy na mhn einai gewgrafikos prosdiorismos kai na ypokryptei alytrwtikes diaqeseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei dhlwseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse sth Qessalonikh, opws qymaste, kaqws kai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, me aformh thn proteleytaia protash Nimits prin apo ligoys mhnes.

GKOYTZANHS: O Prwqypoyrgos sthn Praga, eixe pei se dhlwsh toy oti h xwra mas den qa synainesei sthn eyrwpaikh poreia twn Skopiwn efoson synexisei na epideiknyei ayth thn adiallakth stash sto qema ths onomasias. Htan meta thn aporrich apo thn pleyra twn Skopiwn ths symbibastikhs protashs Nimits. Ayto ti shmainei; Oti sto Symboylio Koryfhs poy qa teqei to qema ths eyrwpaikhs poreias twn Skopiwn, h xwra mas den qa synainesei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai safhs h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa hqela na sas qymisw ti proeblepe h endiamesh symfwnia toy `95: Diathreitai akeraio to dikaiwma na mh symfwnhsei h Ellada sth symmetoxh ths xwras ayths se oiondhpote dieqnh organismo, ean ayto epixeirhqei na ginei me allo onoma peran toy onomatos ``Prwhn Gioygkoslabikh Dhmokratia ths Makedonias''.

BLAXOS: Shmera h kybernhsh empisteyetai ton k. Nimits;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Nimits einai enas mesolabhths, o opoios prospaqei arketo diasthma, opws kai alloi poy prohghqhkan -giati einai mia ypoqesh poy krataei polla xronia- na brei mia lysh. H kybernhsh akoyei tis protaseis kai analogws h dexetai h aporriptei.

BLAXOS: Pame gia trith protash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa symfwnhsw mazi sas ston ariqmo, giati opws gnwrizete exoyn ypoblhqei para polles protaseis sto parelqon.

BLAXOS: Pame gia nea protash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei kati tetoio.

XIWTHS: Apo to apospasma ths symfwnias, poy molis diabasete kai apo thn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai apospasma ths anakoinwshs toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

XIWTHS: Poy anaparagei th symfwnia, swsta. Apo ayth thn anakoinwsh loipon prokyptei oti h kybernhsh den protiqetai na empodisei thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths PGDM, efoson h aithsh ths einai me to onoma FYROM. Ara, katalabainoyme oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh arxikws den parempodizei thn enarjh aytwn twn diapragmateysewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei labei qesh apo to 1995, epi kybernhsews Andrea Papandreoy, me endiamesh symfwnia. Symplhrwmatika, sas qymizw th dhlwsh toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Molybiath, o opoios eipe oti h opoia kybernhsh qa prepei na exei anoixta ola ta endexomena, otan fqasoyme sto teliko shmeio, opoy qa apofasistei h eisodos h oxi ayths ths xwras sthn E.E.

XIWTHS: Sto telos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan fqasoyme sto xroniko shmeio, nai.

BLAXOS: Ara, akoloyqeite th grammh toy Andrea Papandreoy kai oxi toy Kwnstantinoy Mhtsotakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H xwra exei mia desmeysh se qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. H endiamesh symfwnia einai mia desmeysh h opoia thrhqhke epi seira etwn.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw mia aporia: Diabasate prin to apospasma ths endiameshs symfwnias. Me bash thn endiamesh symfwnia h Ellada diathrei akeraia ena dikaiwma ths. Na ferei antirrhsh. Tote, pros ti einai anoixto to endexomeno dhmochfismatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa molis prin.

BITALHS: Me thn endiamesh symfwnia, to apanthsate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma synexisa kiolas kai qymisa th dhlwsh toy k. Molybiath. Exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas.

SIDERHS: Exei kanei ektimhsh h kybernhsh ean htan qetikh h katastrofikh h apofash twn politikwn arxhgwn tote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi politikoi arxhgoi exoyn synelqei kai alles fores ektote. Exoyn syzhthsei to qema. Den qa xrhsimopoioysa pote fraseis -kai dh arnhtikes, opws ayth- otan oi politikoi arxhgoi, ypo thn proedria toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, exoyn syzhthsei ena poly eyaisqhto eqniko qema, opws ayto.

SIDERHS: Oi opoioi phran qesh, logw twn entypwsewn poy qa edinan, sto eklogiko synolo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti apotelei prosbolh ayto poy lete syllhbdhn gia toys politikoys arxhgoys. Qa moy epitrecete na diafwnhsw teleiws mazi sas.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ti teleytaies hmeres yparxoyn dyo poly shmantika qemata se ejelijh. To ena afora thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias, to allo afora thn onomasia twn Skopiwn. Se poia periptwsh, kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs, qa prepei na sygklhqei to Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn, an den sygklhqei se aytes tis periptwseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn, opws gnwrizoyme, exei sygklhqei mexri twra me kyriarxo to qema twn Skopiwn. Ean xreiastei, ean parastei anagkh qa sygklhqei ek neoy.

GKOYTZANHS: H efhmerida ``TO PRWTO QEMA'' eixe thn Kyriakh ena qema gia ton ypoyrgo k. Manwlh Kefalogiannh, o opoios exei diorisei tesseris h pente syggeneis toy ws symboyloys kai arketoys akomh sta dioikhtika symboylia toy ypoyrgeioy toy h twn epopteyontwn organismwn. Ayth h eynoia pros ta oikogeneiaka proswpa synadei me to ``semnothta, tapeinothta kai ajiokratia'' toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws me plhroforhse o k. Kefalogiannhs, exei hdh steilei apanthsh sthn efhmerida ``TO PRWTO QEMA''.

SARANTAKOS: Gyrizw se ena palaiotero qema, poy den eixa thn eykairia na sas rwthsw. O k. Regkoyzas o opoios apefeyxqh apo thn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paraithqhke.

SARANTAKOS: Paraithqhke, nai. Apokalyfqhke oti eixe dwsei kapoia xrhmata apo to kratiko laxeio, se enan thleoptiko staqmo ths perifereias. Sas eixe rwthsei tote, esas ws ypoyrgo Epikrateias, gia to ean eprepe na xrhmatodothqei apo to kratos aytos o staqmos h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos Epikrateias den einai ``diaithths'' ths kratikhs diafhmishs. Den problepetai apo kanenan nomo ayto. To erwthma den eixate thn eykairia na to ypobalete eseis, alla to ypebale allos synadelfos sas thn perasmenh Paraskeyh kai exw hdh apanthsei.

SARANTAKOS: Den exete apoch eseis gia to posa xrhmata phgainoyn sta perifereiaka kanalia apo ton kratiko korbana;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei nomos, basei toy opoioy ginetai elegxos gia thn kratikh diafhmish, apo thn Yphresia Enhmerwshs ths G.G. Enhmerwshs kai G.G. Epikoinwnias.

SARANTAKOS: Sthn opoia proistasqe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai. Elegxos gia to an threitai to 30% ths katanomhs ths kratikhs diafhmishs pros ta perifereiaka MME.

BLAXOS: Sas problhmatizei h fwtia sthn thleoptiko staqmo ``ALPHA'' h qewreitai ena tyxaio peristatiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw ekfrasei, apo thn prwth stigmh, th qlich kai thn symparastash moy stoys ergazomenoys toy ``ALPHA''. Perimenoyme to apotelesma ths ereynas poy diejagei h Pyrosbestikh Yphresia. Eixa thn eykairia na epikoinwnhsw kai me stelexh toy sygkekrimenoy staqmoy kai fysika me ton armodio ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs, o opoios kai dhmosiws exei dwsei th diabebaiwsh oti h ereyna qa proxwrhsei me aysthrothta kai oso to dynaton pio grhgora ginetai.

KYRITSHS: Xqes, synedriasan oi ypoyrgoi Dikaiosynhs kai Eswterikwn ths E.E. Ystera apo protash toy antiproedroy ths Epitrophs k. Fratini apofasisthke h parakoloyqhsh kinhtwn kai staqerwn epikoinwniwn, kaqws kai twn episkecewn poy kanei kaneis se internetikoys stoxoys gia 12 mhnes kai malista me antallagma th dynatothta twn etaireiwn poy throyn ayta ta arxeia na ta xrhsimopoihsoyn gia emporikoys skopoys. Dhladh na mas parakoloyqoyn kai na mas stelnoyn kai diafhmish. Qelw, prwton, na maqw th stash thn opoia thrhse o Ellhnas ypoyrgos. Deyteron, sthn Epitroph syzhthqhke, epishs, to qema ths metaforas proswpikwn stoixeiwn apo tis eyrwpaikes xwres stis HPA, ekeina ta opoia perilambanoyn oikogeneiakh merida, ariqmoys kinhtwn thlefwnwn, ariqmoys adeias kykloforias aytokinhtwn kai alla tetoioy eidoys dedomena. Qelw na maqw kai se ayto poia htan h ellhnikh qesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw ola ta qemata poy rwthsate. Qa sas pw, omws, oti epikoinwnhsa me ton k. Papalhgoyra, o opoios ekproswphse thn Ellada sto Symboylio ypoyrgwn Dikaiosynhs kai Eswterikwn Ypoqesewn ths E.E. sto Loyjemboyrgo. O k. Papalhgoyras sthn parembash toy ypogrammise thn anagkh na ejeyreqei h xrysh tomh, metajy ths oso to dynaton megalyterhs apotelesmatikothtas ston tomea ths asfaleias kai ths elaxisths dynaths epembashs sta kekthmena toy eyrwpaikoy dhmokratikoy politismoy afenos kai ths prostasias twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn afeteroy. Kata th gnwmh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, thn opoia ejefrase o k. Papalhgoyras, einai aparaithth h nhfalia proseggish kai ejisorrophsh twn dyo agaqwn: Ths asfaleias kai ths eleyqerias.

KYRITSHS: Aytos einai koinos stoxos, k. Ekproswpe. Edw einai sygkekrimenes oi protaseis. Epitrepoyme se etaireies na kratane ta stoixeia mas kai na ta xrhsimopoioyn gia diaforetikoys skopoys h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia o,ti peraiterw xreiazeste, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio, to opoio qa sas dwsei oles tis leptomereies.

KYRITSHS: Ma, einai basiko qema eleyqeriwn, den einai qema ypoyrgeioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa hdh sto basiko qema eleyqeriwn, anaferomenos sthn topoqethsh poy ekane o k. Papalhgoyras.

MPALHS: Afoy milame gia koino topo, mporeite na mas peite se pio shmeio briskontai oi diaboyleyseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs me tis Bryjelles gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Metaniwsate poy ikanopoihsate ta aithmata twn ergazomenwn ths G.G. Epikoinwnias kai G.G. Enhmerwshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, giati to ekana me apolyth syneidhsh, apodexomenos to dikaio aithma toys.

BLAXOS: Pantws boleythkate dyo hmeres poy den kanate enhmerwsh se dyskoles stigmes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: E, oxi, mhn to gyrizete toso poly! Ejalloy, otan mphka mesa sas eipa oti moy leicate aytes tis hmeres.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ekkremei kapoio ranteboy toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn ka Mpakogiannh h oi plhrofories poy dhmosieyontai ston Typo einai lanqasmenes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ap` o,ti gnwrizete, yparxei taktikh synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn k. Mpakogiannh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Den thn blepoyme teleytaia omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti qa ginei kapoia allh synergasia sto eggys mellon.

Sas eyxaristw.

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