Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-09-27

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Aqhna, 27 Septembrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligh wra, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs me antikeimeno syzhthshs qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Petros Molybiaths exei hdh kanei dhlwseis ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy. To mono poy qa hqela na epanalabw, einai oti me prwtoboylia ths Kybernhshs qa katateqei sth Boylh aithma gia th diejagwgh pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthshs poy qa afora qemata ejwterikhs politikhs.

Qa hqela na apanthsw se erwthma poy moy eteqh xqes kai afora ta prim stoys aqlhtes mas. Opws enhmerwqhka apo to armodio Yfypoyrgeio Aqlhtismoy gia ta prim, alla kai apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas gia tis diadikasies entajews, sto dynamiko twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, twn aqlhtwn oi opoioi kerdisan diakriseis, opws problepontai apo toys nomoys: Prwton, se o,ti afora to Yfypoyrgeio Aqlhtismoy, ta prim epityxias twn aqlhtwn didontai sth diarkeia ths epomenhs xronias. Einai mia pagia taktikh, h opoia exei na kanei bebaiws kai me ton proypologismo enos ekastoy Ypoyrgeioy. Dhladh ta prim toy 2004 qa doqoyn entos toy 2005, opws egine gia ta prim toy2003, poy doqhkan entos toy 2004. Monh ejairesh s@ ayth thn taktikh htan oti ta prim toy 2002, h prohgoymenh kybernhsh den ta edwse to 2003, alla to 2004. Exei oloklhrwqei h diadikasia. Apomenoyn oi telikes ypografes egkrishs gia na proxwrhsei se ektamieysh to armodio Yfypoyrgeio. Deyteron, se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs, opws me enhmerwse o Ypoyrgos k. Sphlios Sphliwtopoylos, exoyn oloklhrwqei oi diadikasies kai apomenei h hmeromhnia orkwmosias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poso einai to prim;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na gnwrizw ayth th leptomereia. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poio einai to orio panw apo to opoio to ``ladwma'' mporei na einai epilhcimo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean antilambanomai swsta, ypainisseste ta osa eipwqhkan sta telh Ioynioy, se omilia toy Yfypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Regkoyza, se synedrio twn telwneiakwn ypallhlwn sto Bolo. O k. Regkoyzas xqes, se ektakth synenteyjh Typoy poy organwse sto Ypoyrgeio, edwse apanthseis se ola ta erwthmata.

SIDERHS: Qa synexisei na kosmei thn kybernhsh o k. Regkoyzas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela epishs na symplhrwsw, oti o prosektikos anagnwsths ths omilias mporei na dei pente shmeia sta opoia o k. Regkoyzas anaferei safws poio einai to pneyma poy akoloyqei ayth h kybernhsh, oti dhladh den dexetai se kamia periptwsh ekptwseis se zhthmata hqikhs tajews. Einai rhta diatypwmeno. To ekto shmeio, to opoio dhmioyrghse kai ta egeiromena zhthmata idiaitera meta thn kataqesh erwthshs apo boyleytes toy PASOK einai ena shmeio ateles ws pros th diatypwsh. Kai ayto ofeilei kai na to paradexqei kapoios. Wstoso to olo pneyma ths omilias diapneetai apo safhneia. H safhneia exei na kanei me to oti se zhthmata hqikhs tajhs, ayth h kybernhsh den kanei kai den dexetai ekptwseis.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh diabasa tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Regkoyza, eipe ``toys kalesa na periorisoyn th diafqora thn opoia einai apofasismenh na patajei ayth h kybernhsh''. Allo to patassw allo to periorizw. O k. Regkoyzas eipe oti h kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na patajei alla egw toys kalesa na periorisoyn. Eseis blepete oti diorqwse kati apo ta legomena toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xarakthrisa to sygkekrimeno apospasma. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh den fobatai oti stelnei laqos mhnymata me thn paramonh toy k. Regkoyza sthn qesh toy, meta apo aytes tis dhlwseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti exw hdh apanthsei. Ekeino to opoio qa epanalabw gia deyterh fora, einai oti prepei kapoios na diabasei me prosoxh olo to keimeno ths omilias toy k. Regkoyza.

KORAH: Paradexeste omws kai eseis oti to eipe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti prokeitai gia mia atelh diatypwsh. An ypoqesoyme oti ayth h atelhs diatypwsh htan monh sto keimeno kai den yphrxe h rhth anafora se pente shmeia -se ena keimeno tessarwn h pente selidwn- gia thn apofash ths Kybernhshs, gia tis proqeseis ths Kybernhshs, gia thn apofasistikothta ths Kybernhshs, tote bebaiws qa mporoyse kaneis na ejagei diafora symperasmata. Otan omws se pente shmeia sthn idia omilia, exei milhsei me megalh safhneia kai sto ekto shmeio, se atelh diatypwsh, opws thn xarakthrizw enwpion sas shmera, afhnei na yparjei mia diplh ermhneia, tote nomizw oti kanenas ean qelei na einai dikaios, ofeilei na ejetasei olo to pneyma ths omilias kai oxi to ateles sygkekrimeno shmeio.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, otan erwthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos sth DEQ, sth synenteyjh Typoy giati diegrace ton k. Polyzo, eipe oti einai zhthma arxhs gia ekeinon na mhn anexetai boyleyths na diatypwnei asthriktes kathgories. O k. Regkoyzas xqes diatypwse to idio asthriktes kathgories, legontas oti to ``grhgoroshmo'' ejakoloyqei na anqei sta telwneia kai kalei eite na to periorisoyn eite na to patajoyn. Ayto den einai mia asthrikth kathgoria poy den mporei na anexqei h kybernhsh logw zhthmatwn arxhs; O Prwqypoyrgos dhladh pws dexetai na yparxei ena zhthma arxhs gia ekeinon se oti afora ton boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla oxi gia ena melos ths Kybernhshs toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas. Qa sas epanalabw omws kai pali oti h Kybernhsh den dexetai aytoy toy eidoys tis diadikasies, oi opoies gnwrizoyme -xwris na exoyme apodeijeis se polles periptwseis- oti talanizoyn ayto ton topo gia polla xronia. Zhthmata diafqoras allwste, opws qa exete diapistwsei, anaferontai polles fores se ekqeseis Dieqnwn Organismwn. Dystyxws h xwra mas exei ayto to problhma. Ayto to problhma patassetai me apofasistikothta, me qesmikes allages, me synexh prospaqeia. Qa meinw loipon se ayto. Ayto eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai s@ ayto epimenei h kybernhsh.

XIWTHS: Kai na symplhrwsw kai ena deytero skelos giati exei ligo apokrybei katw apo thn entash poy phran oi kataggelies toy k. Regkoyza. Thn idia stigmh poy diagracate enan boyleyth, gia logoys arxhs epanalambanw, yparxei ena stelexos toy SDOE poy sthn idia ekdhlwsh dhlwnei, oti synadelfoi toy fortwnoyn sarantaria konteiner -egw den jerw ti einai ta sarantaria konteiner- fantazomai oti einai megala konteiner kai aytos o ypallhlos den kaleitai kan se apologia. Se poio epipedo ejantloyntai ayta ta zhthmata arxhs gia thn Kybernhsh kai th Nea Dhmokratia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ena qema poy afora to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Den gnwrizw an exei klhqei se apologia. Den gnwrizw pws akribws exei dhlwsei ayto to opoio anaferete. Se kaqe periptwsh omws, enas ypallhlos otan dhlwnei kati tetoio, ofeilei na to apodeijei.

XIWTHS: Epanalambanw, den einai enas aplos ypallhlos. Einai stelexos toy SDOE, toy amartwloy SDOE poy metejelhje h Nea Dhmokratia@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas lew loipon, oti o opoiosdhpote ypallhlos oso chla kai an brisketai ofeilei ean diatypwnei kathgoria na thn apodeiknyei. Apo thn allh pleyra h yphresia ofeilei na ton kalesei gia na dwsei th dikh toy ejhghsh an exei eipwqei ayto to opoio moy anaferete.

XIWTHS: Qelw na pw kyrie Ypoyrge kai sygnwmh gia thn epimonh, den qa epimeinw allo, ayto poy prosqese kai h k. Korah. Prepei na katalaboyme ti eidoys mhnyma qelei na steilei h kybernhsh. Allo mhnyma esteile prin apo eikosi meres me thn periptwsh toy k. Polyzoy kai allo mhnyma stelnei shmera otan kleinei ta aytia se dyo basikes kataggelies oti sta telwneia ths xwras, anqei to laqremporio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean yparxei tetoia kataggelia, opoios kataggellei ayta ta pragmata ofeilei na ta apodeiknyei. Opoios omws kanei tetoies kataggelies, ofeilei na tis apodeiknyei kai an exei politikh eyqynh ofeilei na lambanei metra. Ayto einai to ena.

XIWTHS: (Den akoygetai)@Otan exeis na kaneis me stelexh ths Kybernhshs kai toy kratikoy mhxanismoy pws qa toys elegjeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, alla einai sa na moy zhtate na sxoliasw kati to opoio apospasmatika moy anaferete. Den exw mprosta moy to keimeno gia to an eipwqhke kai pws eipwqhke ayto poy moy anaferete. Thn idia epifylajh diathrhsa kai xqes to meshmeri. Kai diapistwsa, diabazontas olh thn omilia toy Yfypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, oti exei epanalabei -opws sas eipa epaneilhmenws- polles fores mesa se liges grammes me rhto tropo thn apofasistikothta ths Kybernhshs na patajei ayta ta fainomena. Ara loipon kanenas den mporei na krinei apospasmatika. Ean krinei apospasmatika einai bebaio oti qa krinei laqos.

XIWTHS: Toylaxiston o k. Regkoyzas eixe thn eyqijia na pei thn apoch toy kyrie Ypoyrge, enw o k. Nikolarakos ton opoio den gnwrizw, den mphke kan ston kopo na pei oti diastreblwqhkan oi dhlwseis toy. Profanws den diastreblwqhkan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O kyrios ston opoion anafereste einai profanws ypallhlos toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

XIWTHS: Epanalambanw, stelexos toy SDOE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn kanones kai nomoi basei twn opoiwn prepei na leitoyrgei kai to Ypoyrgeio kai oi ypallhloi toy.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo th dhlwsh toy k. Regkoyza, eite einai atelhs eite oxi, prokyptei, paradexetai pws yparxei diafqora. Yparxoyn fainomena diafqoras. Egw dexomai thn apofasistikothta ths Kybernhshs na ta patajei. Mhpws omws h apotelesmatikothta ths se ayton ton enamish xrono den einai eparkhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia diarkhs maxh. Den allazoyn eykola ta pragmata. Opws gnwrizete, se diaforetikoys tomeis exoyme diaforetika fainomena. Ta fainomena ayta, ean aplws ta parathrei kapoios den epitygxanei tipota. Ean omws ta epishmainei kai prospaqei na brei tropoys gia na ta patajei prokeimenoy na mhn epanalhfqoyn, tote exei kanei mia arxh. Kai eimai bebaios oti exei ginei hdh mia arxh se para polloys tomeis.

KAKALHS: Dhladh gia na katalaboyme, h diafora sas me to PASOK, me thn kybernhsh toy PASOK oson afora thn antimetwpish ths diafqoras afora to ycos toy ``grhgoroshmoy''; Kai deyteron me tetoia antilhch qa katapolemhsete thn forodiafygh twn megalwn epixeirhsewn kai qa patajete to laqremporio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai ti ypainisseste sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas kai oyte sto deytero miso skelos ths erwthshs sas. Poia einai h ``tetoia antilhch'';

KAKALHS: H antilhch to na yparxei ``grhgoroshmo''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H antilhch einai mia, jekaqarh kai diarkws epanalambanomenh. Kai ayth thn antilhch ofeiloyn na thn akoloyqoyn oloi. Einai loipon ekeinh h antilhch poy den epitrepei fainomena diafqoras ta opoia dhmioyrgoysan problhma se oloys toys Ellhnes polites kai dhmioyrgoyn efoson synexisoyn na yparxoyn kai mallon synexizoyn na yparxoyn. Den exei pataxqei plhrws h diafqora sto ellhniko dhmosio. Ayta ta fainomena prepei na prospaqhsei mia kybernhsh na ta anatrecei. Na ta patajei. Na ta stamathsei. Na ta teleiwsei. Ayth einai mia prospaqeia. Opws gnwrizete ayth h prospaqeia den ginetai mesa se ena, enamish, dyo xronia. Xreiazetai para polys kairos, giati einai kai zhthmata nootropias sth mesh.

KAKALHS: To qema einai apo poia afethria jekinate. Otan lete oti anagnwrizoyme thn yparjh ``grhgoroshmoy'' kai apla na perioristei to ycos toy. Ayto einai to zhthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To na anagnwrizei kapoios ena problhma einai shmantiko. To na prospaqei na to patajei einai akomh shmantikotero. Se ayth th diadikasia brisketai h kybernhsh.

SARANTAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, egw hqela th synolikh sas ektimhsh. Ton teleytaio mhna exoyme ta ejhs fainomena kai diorqwste me an kanw kapoy laqos: Boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias leei oti kapoioi kai sth Nea Dhmokratia ``ta pairnoyn''. O k. Regkoyzas xrhsimopoiei ayth thn atelh, opws eipate, frash, nomimopoiwntas, opws leei to PASOK to ``grhgoroshmo''. O k. Kokkinoylhs feretai na leei oti xrhmatizetai ypoyrgos. Sthn Patra, diko sas stelexos, organwnei deipno ajias kapoiwn dekadwn xiliadwn eyrw. Sth Rodo, yparxei kapoio allo diko sas kommatiko stelexos, opoy feretai emplekomenos se ypoqeseis adiafaneias. H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo ayto to klima kai mhpws ayth h nootropia, gia thn opoia mas milhsate, afora kai dika sas stelexh kai oxi mono to kako, opws elege o k. Karamanlhs kai eseis, PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean den yphrxan apanthseis, ean den yphrxan draseis kai antidraseis sta osa anaferate, den qa hmoyn ikanopoihmenos. Omws, ama ta ejetasoyme ena pros ena, qa deite oti yphrjan kai draseis kai antidraseis. Gia paradeigma, sto qema toy boyleyth: Otan eklhqh na jekaqarisei ti ennoei me ta osa dhlwse stoys dhmosiografoys, eipe oti den ennooyse kati, oyte eixe kati sygkekrimeno. Yphrje, loipon, mia antidrash kai mia poinh poy toy epiblhqhke. Sto qema toy k. Kokkinoylh, to opoio epishs anaferate, gnwrizete oti kai o idios o k. Kokkinoylhs diarrhgnye ta imatia toy apo Meso se Meso oti den ekane pote ayth th dhlwsh. Sto qema ths Patras, gnwrizete oti o epikefalhs einai ekeinos o opoios efere to zhthma sto Dioikhtiko Symboylio kai den hrqe ``oyranokatebata''. To efere o idios, loipon, kai zhthse o idios ejhghseis apo ekeina ta melh toy D.S. poy eixan thn eyqynh. Oxi gia ena geyma, opws eipate, giati gnwrizete poly kala oti den einai ena geyma. Exei ejhghqei. Einai mia dihmerh filojenia kapoiwn jenwn. Sto qema ths Rodoy, gnwrizete oti yphrje antidrash. To komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws gnwrizete, antedrase entonws sto zhthma ayto. Ara, loipon, qa isxye ayto poy me rwtate h qa mporoyse na apanthsei kaneis se ayto poy me rwtate, monon ean to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias kai h kybernhsh den eixan antidrasei h den eixan drasei h monon ean eblepan ta epifainomena kai den empaine sthn oysia enos ekastoy zhthmatos.

SARANTAKOS: To deytero skelos ths erwthshs moy, htan an gia th nootropia poy milhsate, afora kai stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai stelexh ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias, yparxei kai ekei mia kakh nootropia, oxi se oloys, se orismenoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsa gia zhthmata nootropiwn. Opws gnwrizete, ta zhthmata nootropiwn se ena lao rizwnontai gia polla xronia kai poly baqia. Xreiazetai polys kopos, kalyterh paideia kai kalyterh koyltoyra gia na mporesoyn na antimetwpistoyn. Panw apo ola, xreiazetai politikh boylhsh kai apofasistikothta. Ayth thn politikh boylhsh kai apofasistikothta thn exei deijei oyk oliges fores o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh toy.

SOYGLERHS: Edw milame oti stoys prwtoys 19 mhnes einai polla ta kroysmata. Me ayth th logikh oti kapoia stigmh o Prwqypoyrgos h ta kommatika organa den bazoyn to maxairi sto kokalo, fantazeste oti apo edw kai katw aytes oi poines peftoyn sta malaka. Kai sthn Patra kai sth Qessalonikh k.t.l. Pws mporei h kybernhsh na synexisei na mila gia diafaneia, gia semnothta, gia tapeinothta, otan kai emeis kai ta MME miloyn kaqhmerina gi` ayto to problhma poy parathreitai ton teleytaio. kairo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ``sta malaka'' h diagrafh kai parapomph ston eisaggelea enos stelexoys, to opoio feretai na zhtoyse xrhmata; Den nomizw oti einai ``sta malaka''. Ara, loipon, h ypoqesh sas, etsi opws diatypwqhke, paroti edwsa analytikh apanthsh gia ena pros ena ta qemata poy anefere, epanaferei to zhthma apo thn pisw porta. Nomizw oti adikeite kai ton eayto sas kai ta osa eipwqhkan se ayth thn aiqoysa.

TSIODRAS: Qa epanelqw sto qema toy k. Regkoyza kai qa staqw sthn oysia aytwn poy eipe. Milhse gia ``grhgoroshmo'' poy shmainei oti jerei oti stis telwneiakes yphresies@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhse gia ``grhgoroshma'', gia fainomena dhladh. Anaferqhke se fainomena.

TSIODRAS: Malista gia ``grhgoroshma''. Etsi opws to leei -atelhs h ekfrash, opws qelete peite to, nomizw oti exoyn timwrhqei kai stelexh gia ekfraseis poly hpioteres- leei oti yparxoyn ``grhgoroshma'' sthn yphresia toy. Qa hqela na jerw to ejhs: Sta telwneia posoi ypallhloi exoyn stalei ston eisaggelea toys teleytaioys mhnes, apo ton Ioynio otan ekane thn epishmansh, posoi ypallhloi exoyn fygei apo thn yphresia h exoyn telos pantwn ypostei kapoies poines, me dedomeno oti yparxei ayto to fainomeno to opoio o idios o yfypoyrgos epishmainei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na sas apanthsw. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Ekeino, omws, to opoio gnwrizw einai oti apo ton Ioylio o armodios Yfypoyrgos k. Regkoyzas eixe labei mia apofash gia th metaqesh 24 dieyqyntwn sta telwneia. Apofash h opoia den ekplhrwnotan paratypws. Gnwrizw, epishs, oti thn perasmenh Paraskeyh o k. Regkoyzas kalese ton epikefalhs geniko dieyqynth -an den me apata h mnhmh moy- toy Ypoyrgeioy gia na toy pei oti ews th Deytera qa prepei na exei oloklhrwqei ayth h metaqesh twn 24 dieyqyntwn, diaforetika qa parapemcei sto peiqarxiko osoys einai ypeyqynoi gia th mh thrhsh ths apofashs ayths. Ayto egine xqes to prwi, hmera poy, olws tyxaiws, katateqhke ayth h erwthsh.

TSIODRAS: Ara, loipon, ayta ta opoia bghkan, ofeilontai se antidrash twn 24 oi opoioi htan diefqarmenoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta symperasmata dika sas.

DEIMEZHS: To qema ``Regkoyza'' gia thn kybernhsh exei kleisei h protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos na ton kalesei gia ejhghseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei se ayto to qema.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean kata thn ektimhsh sas yparxei skia diafqoras panw apo ton kratiko mhxanismo kai panw apo ton kommatiko mhxanismo ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti qelete na peite me ayto;

SPYRAKH: Ayto akribws poy sas rwtw. An kata th gnwmh mas yparxei skia diafqoras me osa kataggellontai kai aiwroyntai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: To na kataggellontai kapoia pragmata genikws kai aoristws, den mporei para na dhmioyrgoyn ceydeis entypwseis. Shmasia exei pws antidra o mhxanismos ths kybernhshs. Shmasia exei poia einai h politikh boylhsh ths kybernhshs. Se ayta anaferqhka leptomerws, apantwntas se erwthseis synadelfwn sas.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei shmera ena dhmosieyma sthn ``Apogeymatinh'' poy leei oti h efhmerida ``LE MONDE'' filojenei dhlwsh enos ekproswpoy mias etaireias poy parexei ejoplismoys kai leei oti to 2003 doqhke dwro ston tote Ypoyrgo Amynas gia thn promhqeia fregatas. Qa hqela na jerw, ean h kybernhsh to exei ayto ypoch ths, ean ayto ereynatai, an yparxei kati gyrw apo ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Fantazomai oti to armodio Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas qa ereynhsei ayth thn kataggelia, efoson ginetai epwnymws. Diabasa kai egw to dhmosieyma sto opoio anafereste. Eikazw oti qa yparjei kai apanthsh apo thn pleyra toy PASOK.

SIDERHS: Einai ikanopoihmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo th gennaia apopoihsh politikwn eyqynwn poy ekane o k. Tatoylhs gia to dystyxhma sth Santorinh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete thn epimonh -na pw etsi- na sxoliazete tis erwthseis sas. Kante ayto poy eseis nomizete. Ean zhtate apanthsh, qa sas pw oti o k. Tatoylhs milhse me leptomereies kai edwse eggrafa gia ta osa synebhsan ta teleytaia xronia sthn ypoqesh ths Santorinhs. Exei apanthsei se ola ta erwthmata.

SIDERHS: Ayta htan texnikismoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Texnikismoi einai na paroysiasei ta eggrafa aytwn poy zhtoysan na einai episkecimos o xwros; Texnikismoi einai na paroysiasei ta eggrafa twn armodiwn gia to xwro poy elegan oti einai asfalhs; Texnikismos einai na paroysiasei eggrafa symbasewn me thn etaireia poy elege oti analambanei thn eyqynh gia thn asfaleia;

SIDERHS: Paramenei to politiko problhma oti edwse entolh na anoijei o xwros;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, poio einai to erwthma sas;

SIDERHS: Htan dikh toy prwtoboylia na anoijei o xwros. Anoije o xwros, egine ena dystyxhma, exei thn politikh eyqynh. Den einai texnikos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh den agnoeite ton tropo poy leitoyrgei h Dhmosia Dioikhsh kai fantazomai oti den agnoeite kai basikoys kanones, gia na ftasei enas ypoyrgos na labei mia apofash, ofeilei na parei ypoch toy tis eishghseis twn armodiwn, eite ths Texnikhs Dieyqynshs toy Ypoyrgeioy, opws kai egine, eite ths antisymballomenhs etaireias, opws kai egine, eite toy armodioy arxaiologoy, opws kai egine. To qema, omws, exei apanthqei apo xqes me leptomereia.

SIDERHS: Exei sta xeria toy o Prwqypoyrgos eishghseis armodiwn paragontwn na ginei dhmochfisma gia to qema ths onomasias twn Skopiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

KYRITSHS: To teleytaio diasthma parathreitai mia qyella apolysewn se MME. Exw to teleytaio paradeigma toy radiostaqmoy ``SKAI'' poy proxwra sthn apomakrynsh dekadwn dhmosiografwn, eite me th morfh ths apolyshs, eite ths ``ekbiastikhs paraithshs''. Epeidh ta MME epidotoyntai, kata kapoio tropo, apo to kratos, eite me tis diafhmiseis, eite me tis syxnothtes stis opoies leitoyrgoyn kai epeidh oi dhmosiografoi epiteloyn leitoyrghma, qa hqela na rwthsw pws skopeyei h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei ayto to problhma. Prokeitai gia ekatontades anqrwpoys poy ayth th stigmh menoyn sto dromo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qigete diaforetika pragmata sthn erwthsh sas. Epitrecte moy na kanw mia parathrhsh, oson afora ta hlektronika MME: Gnwrizete oti oi adeies h o tropos leitoyrgias twn MME kaqorizontai apo toys kanones gia thn thrhsh twn opoiwn einai ypeyqyno to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs, mia anejarthth, kata to Syntagma, Arxh. Se o,ti afora thn oysia toy erwthmatos sas gia to qema twn dhmosiografwn poy xanoyn th doyleia toys h poy antimetwpizoyn to fasma ths anergias, qelw na sas pw oti toso egw, oso kai o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Panagiwtopoylos kai o Yfypoyrgos k. Giakoymatos, exoyme syzhthsei polles fores me ta syndikalistika organa twn dhmosiografwn toys teleytaioys mhnes, gia ayta ta dyo zhthmata. Opoy mporei kai opoy exei to dikaiwma h Politeia, na eiste bebaios oti parembainei.

KWNSTANTHS: Kyrie, Ypoyrge, h efhmerida ELEYQEROS se xqesino ths arqro, anaferetai se laqh kai paraleiceis toy Genikoy Grammatea toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, toy k. Mixaloy. Metajy allwn, anaferetai sta asxhma dhmosionomika, sthn elleich esodwn to teleytaio diasthma, ston tropo diaqeshs twn diafhmistikwn kataxwrhsewn gia ta kratika laxeia, k.l.p. Pws sxoliazete, pws antimetwpizete ayton ton kratiko ajiwmatoyxo;

ROYSOPOYLOS : Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw ena pros ena ta proswpa poy metexoyn sthn kybernhsh. Gia to mhxanismo, opws ton anaferate, diaqeshs ths kratikhs diafhmishs, hdh h kybernhsh, me prwtoboylia toy omiloyntos, exei proxwrhsei se ryqmish, katopin pollwn syzhthsewn epi seira mhnwn me toys armodioys foreis kai katopin symfwnias. Ayto bazei telos se ena anarxo topio dianomhs kratikhs diafhmishs, opws isxye prohgoymenws. Kata ta loipa, h ypoqesh twn dhmosionomikwn den einai zhthma enos proswpoy mono. Einai zhthma mias synolikhs politikhs. Einai zhthma to opoio antimetwpizei h kybernhsh olo kai kalytera.

GALIATSATOS: Meta th xqesinh anakoinwsh ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs oti skopeyei na probei se dieykriniseis kai na dwsei odhgies sta krath-melh sxetika me tis titlopoihseis, paramenei h kybernhsh bebaih oti h titlopoihsh esodwn ycoys 9,9 dis, poy sxediazei o k. Alogoskoyfhs, qa egkriqei kai oti qa mporesei etsi na meiwsei to elleimma sto 3,6% gia fetos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia diadikasia se ejelijh. Ws ek toytoy den qa pw tipota shmera. Qa prepei na perimenoyme na oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia.

SPYRAKH: Epeidh epaneilhmmena eixame akoysei epi antipoliteyshs ton Prwqypoyrgo, otan synebainan megala dystyxhmata -to SAMINA einai ena paradeigma h kai alla dystyxhmata- na leei oti ``den yparxei kaneis na analabei thn politikh eyqynh, den paraiteitai kaneis s@ ayto ton topo;'' qelw na rwthsw an apo thn pleyra toy armodioy yfypoyrgoy, toy k. Tatoylh, yphrje kinhsh pros thn pleyra toy Megaroy Majimoy na qesei sth diaqesh toy Megaroy Majimoy thn paraithsh toy, dedomenoy oti opws eipe kai o synadelfos htan aytos o opoios anelabe thn telikh politikh eyqynh n@ anoijei o arxaiologikos xwros sth Santorinh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @Exw apanthsei.

POYLIDOY: Gi@ ayto, den exete apanthsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na epanadiatypwsete thn erwthsh, an qelete, kai na sas apanthsw.

POYLIDOY: An exei ypoballei paraithsh o k. Tatoylhs den exete erwthqei kai ara den exete apanthsei. @H ean exete apanthsei janapeite mas ti eixate pei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me paresyre olo to analytiko skeptiko ths k. Spyrakh kai den akoysa thn teleytaia frash, dhladh ean exei ypoballei thn paraithsh toy. Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me to elleimma, h EUROSTAT milaei gia 6,6. H kybernhsh kathgoroyse to PASOK gia ta stoixeia ta opoia edine sthn Eyrwpaikh @Enwsh, ta opoia den htan akribh. Omws me bash ta stoixeia poy gnwrizame emeis to elleimma htan 6,1 kai oxi 6,6 opws einai twra. @Hqela na rwthsw an ayto shmainei oti qa exoyme anaqewrhsh kai twn stoixeiwn toy proypologismoy. Dhladh, an qa exoyme kapoia kainoyrgia metra prokeimenoy na kalyfqei to elleimma, poy einai megalytero apo ayto to opoio exoyme dwsei sthn E.E..

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh einai paremferhs me ayth sto erwthma toy k. Galiatsatoy. Opws gnwrizete, yparxei mia seira syzhthsewn metajy toy Ellhnikoy Dhmosioy @ dhladh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias @ kai ths Epitrophs, kai ths EUROSTAT. Ta qemata einai synafh.

TSIODRAS: Egw epeidh milaw gia kainoyrgia metra, katalabainw loipon oti brisketai mia diadikasia se syzhthsh kai gia to an qa xreiastoyn nea metra. Thn apanthsh sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh moy exei na kanei me to an einai ontws 6,6 h 6,1, ean dhladh synypologistei h an den exoyn synypologistei dapanes -paradeigma ta nosokomeia, opws jerete- oi opoies kata alloys eprepe kai kata alloys den eprepe na synypologistoyn. Se o,ti afora to deytero erwthma sas, oxi, den yparxei kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: An den dexqei h Komision thn titlopoihsh esodwn, pame gia nea ektakta metra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eipa kati tetoio.

GKOYTZANHS: O k. Regkoyzas edwse ejhghseis ston Prwqypoyrgo h ston Proistameno toy ypoyrgo gia olo ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, ston proistameno toy ypoyrgo.

GKOYTZANHS: Malista. @Ena deytero erwthma: Eipe prohgoymenws o synadelfos, o k. Sarantakos, oles tis periptwseis poy edw kai ena mhna exoyn apasxolhsei thn epikairothta. Tis apanthsate mia pros mia analytika. Wstoso to politiko qema yparxei. Yparxoyn osmes skandalwn poy dhlhthriazoyn to politiko klima. Poy ofeiletai ayto kata thn kybernhsh, dedomenoy oti oles aytes oi kataggelies prokycan apo stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos, oxi apo thn antipoliteysh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei eparkws sthn erwthsh. H dhmioyrgia entypwsewn polles fores apexei ths oysias. Kai edw exoyme ena safes paradeigma dhmioyrgias entypwsewn. Dioti qesame mia seira apo qemata se ena sakoyli. An kapoios parei ena pros ena ta qemata, ta parathrhsei kai ta elegjei, qa katalhjei sta symperasmata poy sas eipa.

DEIMEZHS: Mporeite na mas peite gia poio logo h prokhryjh gia peripoy 450 qeseis ston OAED, dhmosieyqhke monon se efhmerides xamhlhs kykloforias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kan to qema. Parakalw apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio. Yparxoyn nomoi pantws poy problepoyn poy prepei na ginoyn oi prokhryjeis, poses prokhryjeis, se ti ariqmo fyllwn klp.

XIWTHS: @Exei egkrinei o Prwqypoyrgos thn egkatastash monadas ejoryjhs kai epejergasias lignith sth Messhnia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi bebaia. O Prwqypoyrgos den egkrinei tetoioy eidoys sxedia. Ayta einai sxedia poy aforoyn ta armodia ypoyrgeia. @Ara loipon ayto einai ena zhthma gia to opoio qa prepei na rwthsete sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

XIWTHS: H kataskeyh mias tetoias monadas, den einai mia kentrikh politikh apofash ths Kybernhshs; Profanws, fantazomai, den ginetai erhmhn toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allo me rwtate. Moy lete an exei egkrinei o Prwqypoyrgos. Sas lew oti aforoyn ta armodia ypoyrgeia. Sthn periptwsh poy anaferete, armodio einai to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Ean qelete na me rwthsete ean exei egkrinei to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs qa sas apanthsw oti den gnwrizw kai apeyqynqeite se ayto.

XIWTHS: Epeidh, fantazomai oti, h kataskeyh mias tetoias monadas kai eidika s@ayth thn perioxh den einai kati poy mporei ena ypoyrgeio na to xeiristei mono toy, zhta thn egkrish toy Prwqypoyrgoy h to fernei sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, egw erwtw ean h Kybernhsh synolika@

ROYSOPOYLOS: @Opote synedriazei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ola ta qemata ta opoia syzhtoyntai sas gnwstopoioyntai, opws kai oi apofaseis poy lambanontai. Qymaste na exw pei kati tetoio; @H allos ypoyrgos poy na exei metasxei sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph na exei pei kati tetoio; Apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio.

XIWTHS: Epanadiatypwnw thn erwthsh. Oi kataggelies poy ekane xqes o nomarxhs Messhnias, o k. Drakos, se synenteyjh Typoy diamartyromenos gia thn kataskeyh ayths ths monadas, sas problhmatizoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw thn apanthsh: Apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Me rwtate gia ena poly eidiko qema. Sas exw pei polles fores, apo thn arxh poy jekinhsame ayth thn wraia synergasia sthn aiqoysa toy press room, oti den mporw na eimai gnwsths eidikwn qematwn. Parakalw apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

TSIODRAS: Sygnwmh gia thn parembash, alla epeidh eiste Messhnios, gi` ayto epimenei o k. Xiwths.

XIWTHS: Oxi mono gi` ayto. Ean qelete mporw na sas to analysw. H kataskeyh ayths ths monadas, pragmatopoieitai apo enan epixeirhmatia o opoios synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Kai akyrwnei thn ependysh enos alloy epixeirhmatia, o opoios epishs synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Prepei loipon na katalaboyme ean o Prwqypoyrgos yposxeqhke ston enan h ston allo epixeirhmatia oti exei th symparastash ths politeias sthn ependysh poy pragmatopoiei h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diarrhdhn aporriptw to skeptiko sas. O Prwqypoyrgos, kalwntas toys epixeirhmaties, opws sas exw pei polles fores, oysiastika brisketai enwpios me zhthmata, me problhmata poy antimetwpizei h epixeirhmatikothta sth xwra mas. Qelei na exei apo prwto xeri gnwsh. Ayto einai to prwto kai einai jekaqaro. To deytero einai ayto poy sas apantw se erwthseis stis opoies moy epanalambanete me diaforetikh diatypwsh to idio qema: To Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs einai armodio na sas apanthsei. Moy diatypwsate thn erwthsh wsan na exei ginei. ``Pragmatopoieitai'' eipate. Pragmatopoieitai; Ean diabasete to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno, qa deite oti eipate ``pragmatopoieitai''. Egw den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Den nomizw oti exei egkriqei kati tetoio. Se kaqe periptwsh, parakalw apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

XIWTHS: O nomarxhs Messhnias gia na sygkalesei xqes synenteyjh Typoy, fantazomai oti gnwrizei kalytera apo emena toylaxiston ti ginetai sthn perioxh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn ypotimate toys nomarxes. Nomizw oti mallon mporoyn na doyn ta qemata poly nwritera apo ekeino to xroniko shmeio poy exei lhfqei mia apofash kai na laboyn ta metra toys.

XIWTHS: Gia na mhn epimeinw, parakalw ean qelete ayrio na exete mia apanthsh na mas dwsete@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi den qa exw. Parakalw apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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