Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-09-08

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 8 Septembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Opws exei anakoinwqei, hdh, apo to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei shmera to brady me to Proedro ths Rwsikhs Omospondias k. Blantimir Poytin, o opoios pragmatopoiei dihmerh episkech ergasias, shmera kai ayrio, sthn Ellada.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poio htan to mhnyma poy qelhse na steilei o Prwqypoyrgos me th xqesinh diagrafh toy k. Polyzoy apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean diabasete prosektika thn anakoinwsh poy ekdoqhke apo th Nea Dhmokratia, qa diapistwsete oti enyparxei to mhnyma ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qewreite oti h poinh poy toy epiblhqhke, dhladh h timwria, htan antistoixh ths poiothtas toy periexomenoy twn dhlwsewn toy k. Polyzoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai ths dikhs moy armodiothtas na krinw ayto poy me rwtate.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, k. Ekproswpe, sto eswteriko ths Neas Dhmokratias einai oloi entimoi, kaqaroi kai adiafqoroi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa, hdh, xqes sto erwthma sas. Eipa oti tetoioy eidoys kathgories den synadoyn me stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean den apatwmai, o k. Polyzos ekane mia genikh anafora, oti pantoy yparxoyn kaloi kai kakoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apataste.

SARANTAKOS: H diafora metajy toy k. Polyzoy kai toy k. Kokkinoylh, o opoios eipe kapoia alla pragmata se mia kleisth kommatikh syskech, poia einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti exw hdh apanthsei sto erwthma. Treis fores exw erwthqei gia ton k. Kokkinoylh kai exw apanthsei.

SARANTAKOS: Wstoso, h aformh ths diagrafhs toy k. Polyzoy htan ta osa feretai oti eipe o k. Kokkinoylhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw diabaste prosektika tis dhlwseis kai toy men kai toy de, gia na diapistwsete oti yparxei megalh diafora. O k. Kokkinoylhs arnhqhke pantelws, se oles tis dhlwseis toy, oti eipe to otidhpote sxetiko me ta osa grafthkan.

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxei mia shmerinh dhlwsh toy k. Stayroy, o opoios epibebaiwnei tis dhlwseis Kokkinoylh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na dieyqynw th syzhthsh.

TAKHS: Epeidh h xqesinh anakoinwsh grafei gia apopomph apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, yparxei periptwsh sto mellon, ean o k. Polyzos epideijei mia diaforetikh symperifora, na epanelqei; Dioti exoyme dei kai sto parelqon kai se antistoixa gegonota, kapoia stigmh boyleytes na epanerxontai meta apo ena sygkekrimeno diasthma kai sth Nea Dhmokratia kai se alla kommata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na apokleisw tipota.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poio htan akribws to paraptwma, to egklhma toy boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw diabaste prosektika thn anakoinwsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. To prwto erwthma poy moy teqhke htan ayto kai eipa oti enyparxei sthn anakoinwsh safhs anafora toy ti synebh kai toy ti den synebh.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na diereynhsei, na dialeykanei oles aytes tis kataggelies me kapoio tropo; Yparxoyn kapoies kataggelies, eite fanera h xqes o k. Polyzos ta eipe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ayto to erwthma poy moy kanete, apantatai sth xqesinh anakoinwsh. Th diabasate; Epitrecte moy na rwthsw kai egw. Ean th diabasate, qa deite oti epikoinwnhse mazi toy o Genikos Grammateas ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas k. Stayroy ston opoio o k. Polyzos eipe oti ayta htan anypostata. Den eixe kapoioy eidoys stoixeia. Ej oswn gnwrizw, toy zhthse o k. Stayroy, ean exei to opoiodhpote stoixeio, na to kataqesei sto opoiodhpote kommatiko organo h ston eisaggelea.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy, omws, ean moy epitrepete, o k. Polyzos arneitai oti eipe pws kapoioi xrhmatizontai sth Nea Dhmokratia. Kai apo to akribes keimeno twn dhlwsewn toy k. Polyzoy, den yparxei h anafora ths lejhs ``xrhmatismos''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na diabasete pali kai thn erwthsh kai thn apanthsh toy k. Polyzoy;

PALAIOLOGOS: Thn exw dei isa me deka fores.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Deite thn kai mia endekath. Isws sas bohqhsei.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Polyzos emaqe oti qa apopemfqei apo tis thleoraseis. Eklhqh prin lhfqei h apofash na apologhqei, na dwsei th dikh toy ektimhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai ena erwthma poy prepei na teqei sto komma. Opws gnwrizete, symfwna me to Katastatiko ths Neas Dhmokratias, tetoia apofash mporei na labei mono o Proedros ths, xwris th sygklhsh kanenos organoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, katadikasthke prin kan apologhqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite poy qa to janapw gia trith fora. Th diabasate thn anakoinwsh;

GKOYTZANHS: Para poly kala kai mporw na sas thn pw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasate ayto poy sas eipa prohgoymenws gia th syzhthsh poy egine me ton Geniko Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas k. Stayroy;

GKOYTZANHS: Me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Kwsta Karamanlh, tiqetai ektos Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, logw twn anypostatwn, opws o idios paradexqhke, dhlwsewn stis opoies proebh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws o idios paradexqhke poy;

GKOYTZANHS: Ston k. Stayroy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, loipon, egine h den egine ayto poy me rwtate; Apanthse, hdh, apo thn anakoinwsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Prwta emaqe oti apomakrynete kai meta klhqhke se apologia, apo o,ti katalaba. Ayto einai to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Kanete laqos.

SARANTAKOS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean eseis kata opoiondhpote tropo symmeteixate sth diadikasia gia th lhch ayths ths apofashs. An kanate kapoia eishghsh kai poia einai ayth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Ayta einai qemata kaqara toy kommatos. Egw eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

SARANTAKOS: Eiste kai boyleyths Epikrateias ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, alla eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Den exw kommatikh qesh, poy na moy epitrepei thn opoiadhpote enasxolhsh me to qema.

KOYIN: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean yparxei kapoia atzenta gia th syzhthsh poy qa kanei o Prwqypoyrgos me to Rwso Proedro, ean qa syzhthqoyn, gia paradeigma, o agwgos Mpoyrgkas-Alejandroypolh. Gnwrizete kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia genikh atzenta qematwn poy apasxoloyn tis dyo xwres. Qa sas dwsw perissoteres leptomereies meta th synanthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apokleiete to endexomeno na yparjei, ayrio meqayrio, sth diarkeia ths tetraetias, kapoio skandalo h toylaxiston kapoia osmh skandaloy, oytws wste na jerete ek twn proterwn oti oloi sth Nea Dhmokratia einai hqikoi, amwmoi kai amolyntoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti den tairiazoyn tetoioy eidoys qemata sth Nea Dhmokratia.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sygnwmh, alla epeidh dhmioyrgei kapoies apories ayto to qema, ti perissotero eipe o k. Polyzos apo ayta poy eixe pei o k. Ebert afhnontas skies enantion toy k. Alogoskoyfh sth gnwsth ypoqesh prin apo treis mhnes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai kaqoloy to idio.

BITALHS: Oyte xqes yphrje kapoia katalhjh sto Symboylio Monimwn Antiproswpwn ths E.E. gia to qema ths antidhlwshs gia thn Toyrkia. Exete kapoio sxolio gia to neo keimeno poy paroysiase h bretanikh Proedria kai den brhke th synainesh apo toys ypoloipoys etairoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Rwthqhka kai xqes kai eipa poia einai h qesh ths Elladas. Den qa hqela na kanw kanena sxolio gi ayth th diadikasia, h opoia synexizetai.

TAKHS: Qa mas kanete ena sxolio gia th xqesinh topoqethsh toy k. Sgoyridh na chfisei sth Boylh kapoia arqra toy nomosxedioy ths kybernhshs gia th symprajh idiwtikoy kai dhmosioy tomea; Giati shmera boyleytes toy PASOK eipan sth Boylh oti emeis to ejetazoyme sto organa kai syzhtame kai den diagrafoyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa milhsw proswpika gia ton k. Sgoyridh, den moy epitrepetai. Ekeino poy qa pw einai oti to PASOK erxetai na kataggeilei ena nomosxedio, to opoio, oysiastika, bohqa, proagei thn kinhsh ths oikonomias, th dhmioyrgia newn eykairiwn. Kai se telikh analysh, opws eipe kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs sth Boylh, kataggellei kati to opoio to idio to PASOK eixe kanei sto parelqon: Milame gia tis symprajeis dhmosioy kai idiwtikoy tomea se diafora megala erga.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Exw dyo erwthseis, h mia afora th diagrafh. Oi agrotosyndikalistes epimenoyn stis kataggelies toys me ton ena h ton allo tropo, eite me dhlwseis toys sth thleoraseis, eite grapta. Hqela na rwthsw ean kapoia stigmh kapoios allos boyleyths eite tis yioqethsei aytes tis kataggelies, eite ypopteyetai kai aytos oti yparxei ena tetoio systhma pisw apo to kratos qa diagrafetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se erwthsh me ``ean'' -opws sas exw pei polles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa, alla kai apo thn prohgoymenh qesh moy ws ekproswpoy ths antipoliteyshs- den apantw.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Sas problhmatizei enocei ths DEQ oti polla ergostasia kleinoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai polla anoigoyn. Polles nees qeseis ergasias dhmioyrgoyntai. Polla nea ependytika kefalaia erxontai sthn Ellada. Molis proxqes h xqes apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs anakoinwqhkan -kai eixa thn eykairia na ta epanalabw ki edw- mia seira programmatwn gia th sthrijh twn poly mikrwn epixeirhsewn. Programmatwn poy aforoyn peripoy 6.000 sympolites mas kai poy exoyn ycos ependyshs peripoy 400 ekatommyriwn eyrw. Einai ena mikro deigma twn oswn exei proxwrhsei h kybernhsh ston enamish xrono.

KOTTARIDHS: Na epanelqw se ayto poy eipe o k. Gkoytzanhs prin gia ton k. Ebert. H apanthsh sas htan ``den einai to idio''. Den einai to idio o k. Ebert me ton k. Polyzo h den einai to idio to paraptwma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai to idio qema. Einai teleiws diaforetiko to qema sto opoio anaferqhke o k. Gkoytzanhs gia ton k. Ebert kai tis dhlwseis, poy eixe parei apanthsh tote kai sth Boylh kai ektos Boylhs -to qema ennow- kai teleiws diaforetiko ayto poy eipwqhke apo ton k. Polyzo.

PALAIOLOGOS: O k. Ebert, omws, eixe kataggeilei, eixe kathgorhsei ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias h eixe ypainixqei -gia na eimai akribesteros- oti ejyphrethse h telos pantwn eixe plhroforhsei mia Trapeza, mia idiwtikh epixeirhsh, nwritera. H barythta ths kataggelias den einai to idio me thn epishs diapistwtikh anafora toy k. Polyzoy, th genikh, oti yparxoyn kapoioi poy xrhmatizontai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sygxeete dyo anomoia qemata. Sas qymizw oti kai apo to bhma ths Boylhs o k. Alogoskoyfhs, alla kai sth synexeia me dhlwseis poy eixe thn eykairia na kanei, eixe topoqethqei safws gi ayto to opoio eixe dhlwsei o prwhn Proedros ths N.D. Kai h safhneia enapokeito -kai htan aytapodeikth allwste- sto ean kai poso eixan enhmerwqei, opws qymaste kala kapoies Trapezes, gia ta sxediazomena se sxesh me ton asfalistiko tomea. H enhmerwsh eixe ginei eyqews, dhmosiws apo thn kybernhsh polloys mhnes nwritera. Ws ek toytoy den yphrxe kanenos eidoys yponoia h ypocia gia to otidhpote, pera twn allwn logwn toys opoioys anelyse, pali me safhneia qa to epanalabw, o k. Alogoskoyfhs apo to bhma ths Boylhs.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Mias kai den sas aresei to ``ean'', qelw na rwthsw@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, moy aresei para poly giati me to ``ean'' mporei kaneis na kanei skeceis, probleceis gia to mellon. Ekeino to opoio moy zhtate na sas pw, einai na topoqethqw me to ean qa ginei kati. Den qa topoqethqw, epitrecete moy.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Na to qesw diaforetika loipon: Pro kairoy yfypoyrgos ths kybernhshs thn eixe ekqesei me dhlwsh toy gia ton proypologismo, qa eprepe na diagrafei; Qa eprepe na ginei anasxhmatismos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw se ti anafereste.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Ston k. Regkoyza.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai allo na ginei mia politikh dhlwsh@

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Politikh dhlwsh ekane o k. Regkoyzas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @h opoia politikh dhlwsh -opws ayth thn opoia anaferate- mporei na protassei kapoia stoixeia ti einai, ti den einai@

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Oti einai ewlos o proypologismos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai kaqoloy bebaios oti egine ayth h dhlwsh sthn opoia anafereste. Einai allo na ginei mia politikh dhlwsh kai allo ayto to opoio eipwqhke xqes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto to nomosxedio to opoio syzhteitai sth Boylh kai chfise polla arqra toy o k. Sgoyridhs, o k. Papandreoy to xarakthrizei ``kostoymi kommeno kai rammeno sta metra ths adiafaneias kai ths diafqoras'', ti apantate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan kapoios den exei protaseis, tote kindynologei.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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