Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-08-31

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Aqhna, 31 Aygoystoy 2005

Xairete.

Ayrio, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei, diadoxika:

@Stis 17:30 me thn Eqnikh Synomospondia Ellhnikoy Emporioy (ESEE).

@Stis 18:30 me th Genikh Synomospondia Epaggelmatiwn Biotexnwn Emporwn Elladas (GSEBEE). Stis synanthseis qa symmetexoyn oi ypoyrgoi Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn G. Alogoskoyfhs kai Anaptyjhs D. Sioyfas.

@Stis 19:30 qa synanthqei me thn ADEDY me th symmetoxh twn ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs P. Paylopoylo, Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn G. Alogoskoyfh kai Anaptyjhs D. Sioyfa.

Thn Paraskeyh o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei:

@Stis 10:30 me to Syndesmo Biomhxaniwn Boreioy Elladas, me th symmetoxh twn Ypoyrgwn Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn G. Alogoskoyfh, Anaptyjhs D. Sioyfa kai Makedonias Qrakhs k. Tsiartswnh.

@Stis 12:30 qa synanthqei me ton Syndesmo Ellhnikwn Biomhxaniwn me th symmetoxh twn ypoyrgwn Oikonomias kai Anaptyjhs.

@Stis 17:30 me th GSEE, me th symmetoxh twn kyriwn G. Alogoskoyfh, D. Sioyfa kai toy ypoyrgoy Apasxolhshs P. Panagiwtopoyloy.

Aytes oi synanthseis, opws gnwrizete, ginontai sto plaisio twn synanthsewn poy kanei o Prwqypoyrgos kaqe xrono me toys foreis, enocei ths DEQ.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na epitrecei sto ameso mellon thn kykloforia aytokinhtwn me petrelaiokinhsh sthn Aqhna kai th Qessalonikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema ejantlhqhke xqes. Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

SPYRAKH: Xqes, elexqh oti ayto qa symperilambanetai stis ejaggelies poy qa kanei o Prwqypoyrgos sth DEQ.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo poy elexqh ayto;

SPYRAKH: Oxi, apo esas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa xqes oti den exw na pw kati perissotero. To qema ejantlhqhke kata th diarkeia ths politikhs enhmerwshs.

BLAXOS: Stis synanthseis poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys foreis qa zhthsei na mhn ginoyn oi diadhlwseis poy programmatizoyn sth Qessalonikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, pros Qeoy!

BLAXOS: Pws antimetwpizete aytes tis diadhlwseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn, twn syndikalistwn na epilegoyn oi idioi ton tropo ths probolhs twn qematwn toys.

BLAXOS: Ara, qa mporoyn na fqasoyn kai konta ston Prwqypoyrgo na toy dwsoyn ta ypomnhmata toys kai den qa yparxoyn MAT na toys empodisoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa allajei tipota apo ayto poy ginetai ola ta xronia.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, den qa toys empodisoyn ta MAT; Giati ta prohgoymena xronia, to kako PASOK, ebaze ta MAT kai epefte jylo kai den toys afhnan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai perysi nomizw oti eixame kapoioy eidoys tetoies prwtoboylies. Qa akoloyqhqei o,ti egine kai perysi. Den allazei tipota.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, opoios prospaqhsei na plhsiasei ton Prwqypoyrgo qa antimetwpizetai deontws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi prwtoboylies, opws gnwrizete, lambanontai kyriws apo tis perissoteres ek twn proanaferqentwn Enwsewn kai forewn. Oi foreis exoyn th dynatothta, stis synanthseis ayrio kai meqayrio me ton Prwqypoyrgo, na ekqesoyn tis dikes toys qeseis, na dwsoyn tis dikes toys protaseis kai tis dikes toys apoceis. Kata synepeia, ayto poy moy lete oti qa ginei sth Qessalonikh, qa exei hdh prohghqei, qa exei ginei apo ayrio kai meqayrio.

BLAXOS: Ara, qa mporei sth diarkeia aytwn twn synanthsewn o Prwqypoyrgos na toys pei ``mporw na kanw kapoia apo ta aithmata sas dekta, parakalw mhn kanete tis diadhlwseis'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, o Prwqypoyrgos den exei skopo na apeyqynei paraklhsh na mhn ginoyn oi opoies ekdhlwseis, diadhlwseis, prwtoboylies exoyn apofasisei oi Enwseis.

SARANTAKOS: H symmetoxh ths DAKE se aytes tis kinhtopoihseis, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh; Me dedomeno oti h DAKE, o k. Poypakhs einai melos ths N.D., exei anoikth epikoinwnia me to komma ths N.D. kai en pash periptwsei qewrw oti einai pio konta ap` o,ti einai alles paratajeis sth GSEE. Yparxei ena politiko mhnyma to opoio h kybernhsh eisprattei h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan nomizw apo tis prwtes erwthseis poy moy eginan th Deytera, molis jekinhse h politikh enhmerwsh. Exw hdh apanthsei. Den allazei kati.

SARANTAKOS: To rwtw ayto giati xqes o k. Poypakhs eipe oti qa symmetasxei kai h DAKE. Gi ayto to rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den allazei kati se sxesh me thn apanthsh poy edwsa th Deytera.

TSIODRAS: Xqes, anakoinwqhkan ta stoixeia toy eptamhnoy gia thn ektelesh toy Proypologismoy. Ekei, loipon, diapistwqhke oti o ryqmos ayjhshs sthn eisprajh esodwn einai 3,7% enanti toy proypologisqentos 11%. Qa hqela na jerw, pws h kybernhsh skeftetai na kalycei ayth th diafora poy prokyptei apo thn ysterhsh twn esodwn kai an sth skech ths yparxei to endexomeno epibolhs kapoiwn newn metrwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn ginei, hdh, dhlwseis gia to deytero erwthma poy qetete, exw apanthsei ki egw se aytes tis erwthseis. Exoyn ginei dhlwseis kai gia to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo Oikonomias. To mono poy qa sas pw einai oti ta kaqara esoda sto eptamhno Ianoyarioy-Ioylioy paroysiasan ayjhsh 3,7% enanti toy antistoixoy eptamhnoy toy 2004. Erwthmata gia peraiterw zhthmata poy aforoyn ayta ta qemata, parakalw na ta apeyqynete sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

TSIODRAS: O Proypologismos, omws, proeblepe ryqmo ayjhshs esodwn 11%. Ara, prokyptei mia diafora, h opoia prepei na kalyfqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H prospaqeia poy ginetai einai na ayjhqoyn ta esoda, na pataxqei h forodiafygh. Sas ekana hdh analytikh anafora prin apo liges hmeres edw. Exei milhsei kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn gi` ayto to qema. Bebaiws, h megalh prospaqeia einai na meiwqei to elleimma sta oria ayta poy epitrepei h epiballei h symfwnia metajy olwn twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

BLAXOS: Gia ton Prwqypoyrgo den exei kapoios apo toys ypoyrgoys eyqynh gia to gegonos oti ta esoda einai 3,7% kai oxi 11%, opws qelate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ayjhsh 3,7% ayth poy anaferete kai oxi se sxesh me to antistoixo eptamhno toy 2004.

BLAXOS: To katalaba. Eixate ypologisei 11%. Yparxei ayjhsh, loipon, 3,7%. Kapoios eyqynetai. Poios einai aytos o ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H maxh ayth einai diarkhs. Den teleiwnei to mhna Aygoysto, oyte to mhna Septembrio. Einai diarkhs kai sas eipa poios einai o stoxos. O stoxos einai safhs, prosdiorismenos apo perysi.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh qa metakylhsei ta barh toy elleimmatos toy Proypologismoy stoys misqwtoys kai toys syntajioyxoys poy den exoyn kamia eyqynh gia th dhmioyrgia aytoy toy elleimmatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den prokyptei apo poyqena ayto poy lete.

KAKALHS: Prokyptei, apo th stigmh poy den exete antimetwpisei th forodiafygh, h opoia einai h kyria aitia toy elleimmatos. Kata ta alla, oi ergazomenoi kai oi syntajioyxoi den mporoyn pote na apofygoyn toys foroys, poy einai ayjhmenoi kai ston persino Proypologismo kai fetos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete dikio oti h forodiafygh einai mia apo tis kyrioteres aities. Ginetai prospaqeia. Gnwrizete oti einai ena zhthma poy apasxolei diaxronika polles kybernhseis. Pisteyoyme kai elpizoyme oti ayth h teleytaia prospaqeia, kyriws giati basizetai se ena systhmatikotero tropo doyleias, kyriws giati oi yphresies oloena kai ejhlektronizontai. Qa exei poly megalytero apotelesma apo o,ti eixan sto parelqon tetoies prospaqeies apo alles kybernhseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws, edw prokyptei oti h apo thn arxh oi probleceis htan yperbolikes kai den yphrxe periptwsh na pragmatopoihqoyn h kati den phge kala kai den pragmatopoihqhkan. H kybernhsh kanei thn aytokritikh ths; Caxnei na brei ti den leitoyrghse kai den pragmatopoihqhkan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epanalambanw oti h prospaqeia einai diarkhs. Kai epishs, opws gnwrizete, h ypoqesh ayth ths oikonomias jekinhse meta thn persinh apografh. Yparxei enas xronikos orizontas gia na lyqoyn meizona problhmata, me prwto apo ola to zhthma toy elleimmatos, sto telos toy 2006.

BLAXOS: Epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke me ton Ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias, h kybernhsh qa ikanopoihsei to aithma orismenwn aktoplown na epekteinei to orio hlikias apo 35 se 40 xronia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prokeitai gia ena eidiko qema poy den to gnwrizw. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston k. Kefalogiannh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish. Thn perasmenh Kyriakh h efhmerida sthn opoia ergazomai, to ``PRWTO QEMA'', egrace gia tis diakopes sas me ton k. Paterakh sthn Krhth kai oxi mono. Mas steilate mia apanthsh, thn opoia qewrw oti kalo einai na th diabasw gia na sas dieykolynw kiolas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw thn apanthsh poy sas exw steilei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Afhste me na th diabasw. Treis grammes einai: ``Qewrw anepitrepth kai einai anepitrepth, kaqe prospaqeia na apodoqei allh diastash sthn oikogeneiakh ayth sxesh. Einai fanero oti o tropos paroysiashs aytoy toy qematos, exei enan kai mono stoxo: Na me plhjei politika. H dhmosia synolikh stash moy apotelei thn apanthsh kai dinei thn apanthsh se kaqe tetoia apopeira''. Kyrie Ypoyrge, egw mia dieykrinish qa hqela: Phgate diakopes, hsastan diakopes me ton k. Paterakh, opws gracame;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh moy einai plhrhs. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den fainetai apo edw, gi` ayto rwtw k. Ypoyrge.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na th xrhsimopoihsete sthn efhmerida sas, opws eseis krinete. Allwste, to kanate, hdh, xwris na exete rwthsei tipota apo ta osa gracate.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh rwtame twra kai emeis epilegoyme kai to xrono ton opoio rwtame.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh moy einai plhrhs, einai aysthrh, opws epiballei h dhmosia qesh moy, oxi mono ta 20 xronia dhmosiografias, alla kyriws ta pente xronia ths politikhs. Parakalw poly na th xeiristeite me to deonta sebasmo, thrwntas toys kanones deontologias, toys opoioys dystyxws h efhmerida sas den thrhse sthn prwth, ayth, atyxh anafora ths.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Gi` ayto th diabasa, gia na einai safes to qema. Den mporeite na moy peite ean phgate diakopes; Eiste dhmosio proswpo, eiste ypoyrgos. Polles koybentes eginan ta prohgoymena xronia gia sxeseis politikwn kai epixeirhmatiwn, me ton tropo poy eginan. Gi` ayto den kanei kako, nomizw, na moy apanthsete ean hsastan diakopes me ton k. Paterakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw apanthsei. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero. H apanthsh moy einai safhs. Kalo qa einai h efhmerida sas na th xeiristei, opws prepei kai opws epiballei h dhmosiografikh deontologia, kati poy den ekane sto prwto dhmosieyma.

SIDERHS: Eilikrina, pisteyw apolyta ayto poy lete. To problhma einai diaforetiko: Giati ta stelexh sas eixan ajiopoihsei politika mia analogh periptwsh me to qema Tsoykatoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean isxyei kati tetoio. Giati grafthkan anakribeies, oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mporeite na mas apokatasthsete thn pragmatikothta k. Ypoyrge; Epimenw, giati egw ayto akribws sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas esteila mia epistolh. Den exw na sas pw tipota perissotero. Ean pragmatika sas endiefere to qema, qa eixate frontisei na epikoinwnhsete -opws epiballoyn oi kanones deontologias- mazi moy, na me eixate rwthsei, na eixate parei tis aparaithtes apanthseis kai dieykriniseis. Oydepote arnhqhka ston opoiodhpote na apanthsw, otan me rwta. Poly perissotero se ena zhthma proswpiko. Ofeilw, loipon, na sas pw ayto poy sas eipa kai prohgoymenws.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Moy apantate peripoy ws arxisyntakths dioti isws eisaste kai kalos dhmosiografos, alla oxi ws ypoyrgos kai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws shmera jeroyme an o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton k. Poytin;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi den exw na sas pw kati perissotero.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai h trith hmera poy rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na sas pw kati perissotero shmera ap` ayta poy eipa xqes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati kratate mystikh ayth th synanthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa kai xqes oti den exei epibebaiwqei akoma. Den exw kati perissotero na pw shmera.

SOYGLERHS: Exei proswpiko xarakthra h episkech toy k. Poytin sthn Ellada; Einai idiwtikh, den exei politiko xarakthra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa kai xqes oti den exei epibebaiwqei akoma h episkech. Otan exw kati perissotero qa sas to anakoinwsw.

SIDERHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs feretai na eipe oti filolaikos den mporeis na gineis me daneika. Ayto den to jerate otan tazate ta panta stoys pantes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh kai pws akribws diatypwqhke. Emeis den tajame ta panta stoys pantes. Perigracame tis dyskolies ths katastashs. Me thn eykairia -mias kai xrhsimopoieite mia lejh h opoia einai poly endiaferoysa kai eida na xrhsimopoieitai polles fores to teleytaio diasthma- qelw na sas pw oti filolaika einai ta metra ekeina ta opoia stoxeyoyn sthn diorqwsh problhmatwn poy klhronomhse ayth h Kybernhsh, giati mono tote h eqnikh oikonomia kai kaqe enas poliths xwrista qa exoyn ofelh.

SIDERHS: Eimaste oloi aythkoes kai polloi apo dw htan aytoptes martyres, otan o k. Karamanlhs etaze proeklogika ta panta stoys pantes. Ayto den mporeite na to anairesete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto anaireitai apo osa exei pei o nyn Prwqypoyrgos, ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai apo ta osa katagrafhkan sto programma mas. Oydepote tajame ta panta stoys pantes. Ayto einai politikh praktikh allwn kommatwn. Mallon mas mperdeyete me allo komma.

SIDERHS: Ean sas mperdeyoyme einai giati ta kommata einai idia, profanws stis yposxeseis toys, proeklogika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai problhma isws alloy kommatos kai oxi ths Neas Dhmokratias.

TSIODRAS: O k. Nakos xqes milwntas sto MEGA eipe gia to 42% oti den qa yparxei orio apostash anamesa ston prwto kai to deytero. Dhladh oti den yparxei kapoia proypoqesh na yparxei mia apostash 5%. Ayto isxyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa kai stis syzhthseis poy kaname prin apo liges hmeres, den exei oristikopoihqei akomh to sxedio. Otan oristikopoihqei qa doqei sth dhmosiothta kai qa ginei antikeimeno syzhthshs.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti exei arxisei o dialogos. Idion ths ejoysias einai na diastrefei tis ennoies twn lejewn kai eseis den apoteleite ejairesh. Poios dialogos arxise; Me kapoies dhlwseis kapote toy Meimarakh kai kapoies toy k. Paylopoyloy kai mia apanthsh toy Synaspismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

SIDERHS: Den hmoyn edw. To diabasa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymamai an eisaste eseis poy me rwthsate, pantws gi` ayto to qema exw apanthsei.

SIDERHS: Oxi. Steilate to nomosxedio sta kommata, se foreis ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, se dhmotikes paratajeis gia na sas poyne th gnwmh toys, wste na arxisei enas syntetagmenos kai qesmikos dialogos; To oti to exete sto programma sas den leei tipota.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To oti katagrafetai sto programma mas leei polla kai apanta se para polla apo ta osa legontai apo diafores pleyres.

SIDERHS: Sto oti arxise dialogos den leei tipota.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh se ayto to qema. Moy eteqh akribws to idio erwthma prin apo liges hmeres.

GKOYTZANHS: An einai na efarmozete osa yparxoyn sto programma sas, tote ti nohma exei o dialogos gia kaqe qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws den exei nohma;

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxoyn sto programma, exoyn egkriqei, efarmoste to na teleiwnoyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas qymisw oti se qemata paideias gia paradeigma, yphrje dialogos. Me to dialogo ayto proxwrhsame sto zhthma ths ajiologhshs twn Panepisthmiwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Telika ti qa ginei; Oti problepei to programma sas h oti proekyce apo to dialogo. Ektos an ayta taytizontai ek twn proterwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se orismena qemata -to exoyme pei kai proeklogika kai to epanalambanoyme kai twra kai to qema ths paideias einai an oxi to prwto apo ta prwta- exoyme zhthsei th synainesh kai twn allwn politikwn dynamewn, qewrwntas oti einai zhthmata poy aforoyn to synolo toy plhqysmoy. Einai zhthmata poly eyaisqhta poy xreiazontai diadikasies synaineshs.

BLAXOS: To programma sas proeblepe kai mikro kai eyelikto kybernhtiko sxhma. Ti ginetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To kybernhtiko sxhma apodidei.

BLAXOS: Qa parameinei ws exei dhladh.

GKOYTZANHS: Eteron ekateron k. ypoyrge. Mporei na einai apodotiko, mikro kai eyelikto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete allh erwthsh;

Sas eyxaristw.

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