Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-07-06

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Aqhna, 6 Ioylioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KOTTARIDHS: Stelexh ths DAKE, xqes, me anakoinwsh toys, zhtoyn na mhn proxwrhsoyn oi metarryqmiseis sto ergasiako, ean prwta den entaqoyn oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh exei analabei thn prwtoboylia na proxwrhsei stis sygkekrimenes syzhthseis. Exei aposteilei sxetikh epistolh pros th GSEE. Sto plaisio ayto exei oristei h epomenh Deytera ws hmeromhnia prwths synanthshs. Ayth h synanthsh qa ginei.

KOTTARIDHS: Egw zhthsa ena sxolio gia th diaforopoihsh twn stelexwn ths DAKE.

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew oti ayth h synanthsh, thn opoia exei dromologhsei h kybernhsh, qa ginei.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o k. Roysopoylos esteile mia epistolh. Dedomenoy oti stentoreia th fwnh, prwtistws o k. Paylopoylos kai deytereyontws, ontws, o k. Roysopoylos yperaspizontan thn anwterothta toy Syntagmatos mas, enanti twn koinotikwn kanonwn, na toys qewrhsoyme twra epiorkoys;

ANTWNAROS: Epiorkoys, gia poio pragma; Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite.

SIDERHS: Dioti jexasan na yperaspistoyn to Syntagma kai thn anwterothta toy enanti twn koinotikwn kanonwn.

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti apodidete mono ta misa apo ayta poy elegan oi dyo Ypoyrgoi stoys opoioys anafereste. Panta legame oti qa yperaspistoyme to Syntagma kai to eqniko symferon. Prokeitai gia mia pio synqeth diatypwsh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Einai antikroyomenes ennoies aytes;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, einai symplhrwmatikes.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo tis dhlwseis diapistwsa xqes oti o k. Roysopoylos eipe oti den ekdidontai pleon pistopoihtika diafaneias, enw o k. Xaralamphs, ligo argotera, eipe oti exoyn ekdoqei 484 @nomizw- to teleytaio dimhno. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos anaferqhke, asfalws, sto xrono apo edw kai sto ejhs. H apoch ths kybernhshs einai oti efoson me thn anastolh ths efarmoghs toy nomoy poy chfise ton Ianoyario h Boylh symparasyretai kai o prohgoymenos nomos toy PASOK, den yparxei logos na ekdidontai tetoia pistopoihtika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me to petrelaio qermanshs, ti ginetai telika; Ayjanetai h den ayjanetai; Giati shmera blepoyme oti yperdiplasiazetai h timh toy, oti h kaqe oikogeneia qa epibarynqei me 1.000 eyrw k.lp.. Qa ayjhqei h den qa ayjhqei;

ANTWNAROS: Kalliergoyntai fobika syndroma ekei opoy den prepei. H qesh ths kybernhshs -opws sas eipe kai xqes o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai thn epanabebaiwse safestata kai shmera o k. Sioyfas, meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias- einai oti den qa yparjei epibarynsh twn Ellhnwn politwn. Ekeino to opoio ginetai -kai qa hqela na to epanalabw gia mia akomh fora- einai oti me ayth thn poly kairia diarqrwtikh allagh epidiwketai ena sygkekrimeno apotelesma: Na katapolemhqei apotelesmatika kati poy gia para polla xronia @kati poy den einai twrino, den einai xqesino- yparxei sth xwra kai einai to kyklwma diafqoras sth diakinhsh toy petrelaioy qermanshs. Ayto prepei na stamathsei. Kai qa stamathsei apotelesmatika me timio kai aplo tropo, xwris na proklhqei zhmia stoys Ellhnes polites. Kai oxi mono ayto, alla apo ekei kai pera qa wfelhqoyn kai oi Ellhnes polites kai h ellhnikh oikonomia kai h koinwnia. Einai pepoiqhsh mas synepws oti oloi mas, ki emeis ki eseis kai oi Ellhnes katanalwtes kai oi agrotes, prepei na sthrijoyn ayth thn prospaqeia. Den mporei ayto to kyklwma na synexisei na apomyza xrhmata, ta opoia den dikaioytai na karpwnetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den yparxoyn elegktikoi mhxanismoi gia na antimetwpisoyn to kyklwma ayto kai prepei na mpei timh sto petrelaio idia kai na epistrafoyn meta; Poioi ta pairnoyn; Ta pairnoyn oi telwneiakoi, oi eforiakoi, poioi ta pairnoyn;

ANTWNAROS: H diapistwsh einai oti ayto to kyklwma ejakoloyqei na yfistatai gia para polla xronia. Prepei, loipon, na katapolemhqei, na breqei apotelesmatikh lysh sto problhma. Perimenete mexri to telos toy mhnos Ioylioy. Oi dyo synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi, o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai o k. Sioyfas, oi opoioi exoyn th safh entolh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na diaxeiristoyn ayto to qema, qa ypobaloyn ta apotelesmata ths meleths. Ki ayto qa ginei -kai to tonizw- arketo kairo prin apo thn enarjh ths xeimerinhs periodoy, opote oi katanalwtes arxizoyn na promhqeyontai to petrelaio poy xreiazontai gia th qermansh toys.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, ayto to Swma poy qa antikaqistoyse to SDOE kai qa eixe ws armodiothta thn diwjh toy laqremporioy kai ths ychlhs forodiafyghs, apetyxe kai twra metaqetete to problhma sthn koinwnia;

ANTWNAROS: Den metaqetoyme kanena apolytws problhma sthn koinwnia. Epidiwjh mas einai na broyme tis lyseis, oi opoies xreiazontai, wste h koinwnia na mhn epibarynetai me osa bazoyn sthn tseph toys osoi enexontai stis paranomes diakinhseis toy petrelaioy qermanshs. Qa breqei apotelesmatikh lysh. Na eiste sigoyroi gi ayto.

KAKALHS: Pws na pistecoyme oti qa breqei apotelesmatikh lysh otan h kybernhsh epideiknyei spoydh na anakoinwsei thn epibolh toy foroy, xwris na exei lysei to problhma ths epistrofhs toy foroy sta noikokyria. Ayto, oso kai na pisteyei kaneis, stis agnes proqeseis ths kybernhshs, to mono kaqaro einai oti h kybernhsh qelei na epibalei foroys, ena kefaliko xaratsi.

ANTWNAROS: Moy fainetai oti protrexete me ta symperasmata sta opoia katalhgete.

KAKALHS: Giati den perimenate tote thn epistrofh. Na anakoinwqei o tropos, o mhxanismos.

ANTWNAROS: Ma sas eipa. Den yparxei logos na dhmioyrgeitai h paramikrh anhsyxia ston Ellhna polith, ston Ellhna katanalwth. Eimaste poly prin apo thn enarjh ths xeimerinhs periodoy, opote oi Ellhnes polites arxizoyn na promhqeyontai petrelaio qermanshs. Kai ayto akribws apodeiknyei oti h kybernhsh qelei me anesh xronoy na brei lysh kai sto ena qema kai sto allo. Qa breqei ekeinh h lysh poy -opws sas eipa- qa einai kai aplh kai timia. Aytes einai oi odhgies poy exei dwsei o Prwqypoyrgos.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla giati den perimenate na breite kai ton mhxanismo epistrofhs toy foroy, protoy anakoinwsete to metro.

ANTWNAROS: Lew gia mia akomh fora oti eimaste akomh sto stadio twn diaboyleysewn. H kybernhsh den aifnidiazei. Sas lew oti exoyme para poly xrono gia na syzhthqei ayto to qema kai na ejeyreqei ekeinh h lysh poy qa ejyphrethsei kai toys dyo stoxoys.

POYLIDOY: Afoy yphrxe aytos o xronos giati den ta phgainate paketo; Afoy yparxei aytos o xronos giati den kanate tis anakoinwseis paketo;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth akribws einai h proqesh ths kybernhshs. Sas eipa oti, ews to telos toy mhnos, ayth h ypoqesh qa exei jekaqarisei. Perimenete kai qa deite. Den exw na prosqesw tipota allo.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa proslabete 9.000 agrofylakes na fylane ta ampelia mas. Giati toys 1.000 apo aytoys den toys sygkroteite se ena isxyro elegktiko mhxanismo me thn katallhlh organwsh kai ekpaideysh, wste na ktyphsoyn kai ayto to kyklwma ths laqremporias kai kaqe allo kyklwma laqremporias;

ANTWNAROS: Symfwna me th shmerinh dhlwsh toy k. Sioyfa gia thn katapolemhsh toy laqremporioy twn kaysimwn, xrhsimopoioyntai hdh perissoteroi apo 2.500 ypallhloi. To apotelesma par` ola tayta den einai ikanopoihtiko. Prepei, synepws, na breqei -kai ayto epidiwkei akribws h kybernhsh- enas tropos, wste h katapolemhsh ayths ths mastigas na einai apotelesmatikh. Kai ayto qa ginei.

MELETHS: Poqen esxes den qa ypoballoyn aytoi oi 2.500 ypallhloi;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw ayth th stigmh.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa paw se ena allo qema gia ton basiko metoxo: Qymomaste oti h olh epixeirhmatologia ths kybernhsh htan oti prepei na perasei o dikos ths nomos gia na antimetwpistei h diaplokh. Twra den perase oyte o dikos ths nomos kai anastelletai kai o prohgoymenos nomos. Ara, se ayton ton kainoyrgio nomo ypoqetoyme oti orgiazei h diaplokh pia;

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Karamanlhs exoyn katasthsei safes ej arxhs oti enas basikos pylwnas ths politikhs mas einai h katapolemhsh ths diaplokhs. Kai ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei. Mhn speydete na katalhjete se symperasmata kai na prokatalabete -oxi eseis proswpika, genika to lew- tis syzhthseis poy diejagontai metajy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai twn yphresiwn ths Epitrophs stis Bryjelles. Aytes oi syzhthseis, opws sas eipame allwste, ginontai eite di allhlografias, eite dia zwshs. Dhladh, me syzhthseis, synanthseis kai antallagh apocewn. Briskomaste se ena stadio opoy den exoyn akomh oloklhrwqei aytes oi antallages eggrafwn kai apocewn. Einai se ejelijh to qema.

MELETHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an gia na yperaspisteite, opws eipate prin, apotelesmatika to Syntagma kai ta eqnika symferonta xreiasthke, ektos toy dikoy sas nomoy, na katarghsete kai to nomo toy PASOK, giati ayto den ginotan apo Septembrio kai perasan 8-10 mhnes, me olh ayth thn peripeteia kai th dikh sas kai ths antallaghs pyrwn me th Komision gia na katalhjoyme se ena apotelesma sto opoio qa mporoysame na exoyme katalhjei apo perysi to Septembrio, ton Oktwbrio h ta Xristoygenna, me thn katarghsh toy nomoy toy PASOK apeyqeias;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis panta legame ayto to opoio h Komision elege apo thn arxh: O nomos toy PASOK den htan symbatos me to Koinotiko Dikaio. Kai opws sas eipa, synexizoyme akomh th diaboyleysh me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, wste na breqei ekeinos o koinos topos poy kai thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qa ikanopoiei, alla kai stis dikes mas antilhceis gia thn katapolemhsh ths diaplokhs qa antapokrinetai. O dialogos aytos synexizetai. As perimenoyme, loipon, thn ejelijh toy.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe xqes oti oi diarqrwtikes allages ginontai pros ofelos twn pollwn kai se baros twn ligwn. Mexri twra, oi mones diarqrwtikes allages poy exoyme dei einai aytes poy plhttoyn ta ergasiaka kai asfalistika symferonta twn ergazomenwn. Ergasiakes diarqrwtikes allages poy na einai se baros twn ligwn kai twn isxyrwn, den yparxoyn ypocin ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw giati to lete ayto. H diarqrwtikh allagh poy shmera, sthn arxh ths enhmerwshs, syzhthsame edw, den einai pros ofelos twn pollwn; To na mpei ena ``X'' shmantiko poso, to opoio karpoyntai shmera orismenoi, sta dhmosia Tameia poy ependyoyn pros ofelos ths megalhs pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn, den einai pros ofelos twn pollwn;

KAKALHS: Milw gia tis treis diarqrwtikes allages poy exei proxwrhsei mexri twra h kybernhsh, to Asfalistiko twn Trapezwn poy plhttei ta asfalistika dikaiwmata twn trapezoypallhlwn, milw gia to wrario twn katasthmatwn poy plhttei toys mikromesaioys kai gia th dieyqethsh toy xronoy ergasias poy plhttei to 8wro gia toys ergazomenoys.

ANTWNAROS: As anaferqw se ena apo ta tria qemata poy qijate: To qema toy wrarioy. Giati katalhgete sto biastiko symperasma oti h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn den to qelei;

KAKALHS: Antidroyn oloi oi mikromesaioi se ayth th ryqmish. Kaneis den to exei zhthsei kai @

ANTWNAROS: Kai egw sas milhsa gia toys Ellhnes polites, toys katanalwtes, poy apoteloyn th megalh pleiochfia.

KAKALHS: Adiaforeite, dhladh, an kleisoyn @

GKOYTZANHS: Pws to jerete k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Ypoqesh ergasias kanw. Eseis mallon biazeste na prodikasete th stash twn Ellhnwn politwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai egw erwthma ekana. Sygnwmh k. Ekproswpe, alla pws gnwrizete oti h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn symfwnei;

ANTWNAROS: Apeyqynomenos ston k. Kakalh ejefrasa thn aporia pws ekeinos prodikazei th stash ths megalhs pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KAKALHS: Den exei erwthqei, kat` arxas, h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn. H kybernhsh den to eixe ayto to qema@

ANTWNAROS: Ola krinontai, jerete, ek toy apotelesmatos. Qa sas anaferw ena paradeigma: Prin apo arketa xronia -25 an den me apata h mnhmh moy- ginotan ston topo mas mia para poly megalh syzhthsh gia osoys ergazontan tote se grafeia. Tote oi anqrwpoi doyleyan prwi kai apogeyma, me diakekommeno wrario. Kai an anatrejete ston Typo ths epoxhs, qa diapistwsete oti yphrxe megalh antidrash gia thn efarmogh toy synexoys wrarioy. Ean rwthsete shmera osoys Ellhnes ergazontai se grafeia, mallon den qa breite kanenan poy na qelei na epistrecei se ekeinh thn palia ryqmish. Ayto shmainei: As afhsoyme aytoys oi opoioi wfeloyntai apo mia ryqmish, na krinoyn monoi toys sthn prajh. As mhn biazomaste emeis, ta Mesa, diaforoi alloi aytoklhtoi yperaspistes toys, na katalhgoyn se symperasmata gia logariasmo allwn.

MELETHS: An moy epitrepete, oi ergatoypallhloi kai oi mikromesaioi einai antiqetoi me ayth th ryqmish. Den eimaste emeis aytoklhtoi yposthriktes kapoioy. Aplws, den exoyme dei poios einai yper ayths ths ryqmishs mexri stigmhs.

ANTWNAROS: As afhsoyme ton Ellhna polith na krinei.

KAKALHS: Ton opoio katanalwth, poios ton ekfrazei; Ton ekfrazei to kratos;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai sigoyros oti ayth h ryqmish qa brei poly megalh antapokrish.

KAKALHS: Me aformh tis apergies sto radiostaqmo FLASH, erxetai sthn epifaneia to zhthma ths metabibashs toy radiostaqmoy kai dhmioyrgoyntai basimes yponoies oti htan eikonikh. Poios einai o rolos toy ESR otan den mporei na ejasfalisei thn pragmatikh diafaneia;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, to ESR einai anejarthth arxh. Sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite ekei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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