Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-06-06

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Aqhna, 6 Ioynioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Ayrio, stis 11.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph sto Megaro Majimoy, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs.

SPYRAKH: Dhmosieyqhke sthn efhmerida ``Typos ths Kyriakhs'', an kai htan gnwsto, h epistolh poy apeyqyne o prwhn Patriarxhs Ierosolymwn k. Eirhnaios pros ton Prwqypoyrgo. Se ayth thn epistolh apodidontai eyqynes ston yfypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Skandalakh kai ston Patriarxh Barqolomaio, gia thn katastash poy epikratei sta Ierosolyma. Qa hqela ena sxolio, se o,ti afora mono stis eyqynes pros to politiko proswpo poy empleketai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Skandalakhs oydepote asxolhqhke me proswpa. Melhma toy htan panta h diathrhsh kai h diafylajh toy ellhnorqodojoy xarakthra toy Patriarxeioy kai fysika h enothta toy poimnioy toy.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei mia tajidiwtikh odhgia apo thn pleyra ths Aystralias, se o,ti afora toys Aystraloys toyristes poy episkeptontai thn Ellada. Einai se gnwsh sas ayth h odhgia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean den kindyneye na qewrhqei oti einai poly palia poy sas parapempw sto persi, giati kai propersi kai antipropersi poy eixan erwthqei antistoixws oi kybernhtikoi ekproswpoi twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn, thn idia apanthsh eixan dwsei, orismenes xwres, opws gnwrizoyme, to eixa pei kai persi edw, gia logoys eswterikhs nomikhs tajews, ekdidoyn kapoies odhgies etsi wste na mporoyn na einai apenanti stoys polites toys entajei h na mhn einai ypoxreoi -na to pw pio swsta- argotera, ean kati toys symbei se opoiadhpote xwra toy kosmoy. Ypo ayth thn ennoia, blepoyme xwres poy ekdidoyn tajidiwtikes odhgies gia 180 h gia 200 xwres toy kosmoy, oses dhladh yparxoyn kai ston OHE.

ARMENHS: Diabasame xqes se dhmosieyma ston Typo oti yparxei skech sthn kybernhsh na pwlhqei to METRO twn Aqhnwn. Isxyei ayto to dhmosieyma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn ekdoqei sxetikes anakoinwseis apo toys k.k. Soyflia kai Liaph. Exoyn kanei dhlwseis.

KAKALHS: Me poio skeptiko kai me poio dikaiwma h kybernhsh analambanei ta asfalistika barh twn idiwtikwn Trapezwn me to kainoyrgio epikoyriko tameio, se mia periodo malista poy oi Trapezes, xronia twra, exoyn iliggiwdh yperkerdh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan erqei h wra qa to syzhthsoyme. Oxi akoma.

KAKALHS: Qa mporoysate toylaxiston na syzhthsoyme twra to allo qema, dhladh, pws@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh einai akomh anoikto se syzhthseis to qema, opws gnwrizete, ginontai koybentes kai apo th mia kai thn allh pleyra. Otan, loipon, oloklhrwqoyn aytes oi syzhthseis me poly xara na apanthsw se oles tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, gia toys trapezoypallhloys prin apo to 1992, poy o Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei oti den qa aifnidiasei kanenan me tis allages kai tis tomes poy qa epixeirhsei h kybernhsh, alla me toys trapezoypallhloys, prin apo to 1992 poy einai isws kai h pleiochfia, toys ayjanei ta oria hlikias kai meiwnei tis syntajeis toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Stoys trapezoypallhloys prin toy 1992, ean isxyei ayth h ryqmish, dhladh stoys prin toy 1993 gia na eimaste akribeis stoys xronoys poy milame, exoyn dhmioyrghqei wrima asfalistika dikaiwmata. Apo to 1993 ews shmera den einai oyte 12 xronia kala-kala doyleias. Kata synepeia, ean ginei kapoioy eidoys parembash sth logikh aytwn twn syzhthsewn poy ginontai metajy twn armodiwn Ypoyrgeiwn kai twn ekproswpwn twn Trapezwn, eite einai syndikalistikwn forewn, eite einai dioikhsewn. Se kamia periptwsh den mporei na qewrhqei oti einai aifnidiasmos. Allwste, sas qymizw oti oi syzhthseis kratane edw kai poly kairo.

SIDERHS: Epeidh ``ej onyxos sto Leonta'': ena mikro qema poy kathggeile o k. Papandreoy gia thn ATE Leasing oti dyo galazioi idiwtes, oi opoioi eixan ypejairesei xrhmata ths etaireias kai katadikasthkan prwtodika, dioristhkan sto D.S. ths etaireias. Mporeite na to maqete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na rwthsete kai thn Trapeza na sas dwsei mia ejeidikeymenh apanthsh. Se kaqe periptwsh qa enhmerwsw ton Dioikhth ths Trapezhs oti moy egine erwthsh gia na doqei sxetikh apanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh exoyme akoysei polla tis teleytaies ebdomades gia tomes, diarqrwtikes allages, metarryqmiseis, ola ayta aforoyn thn periptwsh toy OTE kai to Asfalistiko twn Trapezwn h qa ginoyn kybernhtikes parembaseis kai se alloys tomeis kai se alla qemata kai se poia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean diabasete opoiadhpote oikonomikh omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy -akomh kai thn molis prin apo mia ebdomada sth Genikh Syneleysh toy SEB- qa diapistwsete oti ginetai anafora se seira diarqrwtikwn allagwn, kati poy eixame pei kai kata thn proeklogikh periodo. Den einai kati kainoyrgio.

GKOYTZANHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, omws, den ejeidikeyei. Gi` ayto janarwtw.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me ayto qa hqela na rwthsw an h symfwnia ston OTE qa xrhsimopoihqei ws montelo kai se alles DEKO.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O OTE einai mia aytonomh periptwsh. Den yparxei kapoioy eidoys tetoia skech. To exw janapei kai allh fora, se ayth thn aiqoysa, me aformh sxetikhs erwthshs.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoios logos poy eiste toso amyntikos, shmera stis apanthseis sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na eimai kalos mazi sas.

XIWTHS: Einai mia proswpikh strathgikh sas thn opoia ekpempetai kai gia ta stelexh sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn arxh ths ebdomadas nai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apo oti blepoyme, me aformh olh ayth thn istoria twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn, oi ergazomenoi stis Trapezes kai stis alles DEKO proanaggelloyn kinhtopoihseis. Shmera, toylaxiston, ekanan ``perantzada'' sta thleoptika paraqyra para polloi ekproswpoi, kyriws twn Trapezoypallhlwn. Ayto deixnei oti pame se mia sygkroysh. H kybernhsh einai apofasismenh ayth th sygkroysh na th ftasei mexri to telos h genika qa doyme kapoias allhs morfhs symfwnies endexomenws katw apo to trapezi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan lete ``symfwnies katw apo to trapezi'' ti ennoeite;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ennow me toys ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn ana tomea. Dhladh, kaqe DEKO jexwrista@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo ayth thn kybernhsh den qa blepete ``symfwnies katw apo to trapezi''.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sygkroyseis, omws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema twn sygkroysewn, nomizw, htan antikeimeno syzhthsews poy kaname thn Paraskeyh. Exw hdh apanthsei gia to poia einai h apoch ths kybernhshs. Prepei kanenas na blepei ta problhmata. Prepei kaneis na mporei mesa apo ta problhmata na briskei tis lyseis. Prepei na mporei na briskei tis lyseis mesa apo syzhthseis, synennohseis kai synaineseis. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, einai anagkaio na breqoyn lyseis. Kai aytes oi lyseis den ginontai giati mia kybernhsh qelei aifnhs na kanei kati, ginontai dioti mia kybernhsh ofeilei na kanei kati apo th stigmh poy exoyn sysswreytei problhmata pollwn etwn, ta opoia metakyliontai stis epomenes genies. Otan gia paradeigma yparxoyn syntajeis poy einai se pososto 115, 116 kai 120% toy misqoy poy pairnei enas ergazomenos, kaneis den qelei na meiwsei toys misqoys, kaneis den qelei na meiwsei tis syntajeis efoson exoyn wrima dikaiwmata, se kamia periptwsh. Ginontai syzhthseis poly prosektikes. Einai se gnwsh twn ekproswpwn ths OTOE oles aytes oi skeceis. Den prokeitai na ginoyn pragmata poy na aforoyn to baqos toy parelqontos gia na qigoyn asfalistika dikaiwmata, opws ta xarakthrisa prohgoymenws. Yparxei mia seira anisorropiwn kai anisothtwn. An qymamai kala, sas eipa thn prohgoymenh Deytera, gia mia seira tetoiwn anisothtwn poy dhmioyrgoyntai. Ofeilei kaneis peran toy na parathrei na lambanei kai apofaseis, etsi wste to Asfalistiko systhma na einai ena systhma biwsimo kai gia tis epomenes genies. Den mporei na koitame mono to shmera.

SIDERHS: Steilate eyxaristhrio thlegrafhma ston k. Xrysoxoidh gia th sthrijh poy sas parexei gia th monimothta ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me thn oysia ths protashs toy k. Xrysoxoidh, an dhladh h kybernhsh skopeyei na ferei mia ryqmish me thn opoia qa katargeitai h monimothta gia toys neoproslambanomenoys stis DEKO;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy ypobalate thn idia erwthsh mesw pleon Xrysoxoidh. Exw apanthsei.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw an, en ocei aytwn twn allagwn poy sxediazei h kybernhsh, exete apofasisei toys tropoys me toys opoioys qa perasete to mhnyma ayto twn allagwn pros thn koinh gnwmh kai poioi einai oi tropoi aytoi; Kai epipleon, an qewreite ki eseis, opws kai alloi synadelfoi sas sthn kybernhsh kai sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias oti einai allo h epikoinwnia kai allo h ekproswphsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, exw apanthsei. Oson afora sto prwto apantw me enan poly aplo tropo, o opoios pisteyw oti einai kai eyqys apenanti se oloys toys polites me to na pei kaneis thn alhqeia.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete thn apoch toy k. Papandreoy oti den yparxoyn sobares metarryqmiseis apo thn kybernhsh kai epishs, sto plaisio ayto, oti h arsh monimothtas exei allajei epi twn hmerwn toy PASOK me tis idiwtikopoihseis poy ekane tote.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai oti entryfwntas sta eswkommatika toy zhthmata -ta opoia einai kai polla apo o,ti diabazw- o k. Papandreoy den exei prolabei na diapistwsei tis pragmatika megales tomes poy exoyn ginei. Kapoia stelexh toy kommatos toy to exoyn diapistwsei hdh, opws eipate prohgoymenws kai to anaferoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Soyflias zhthse o anasxhmatismos otan qa ginei na yparxei eyxereia stoys neoys na enhmerwqoyn. Dhladh, na perimenoyme molis kleisei h Boylh na exoyme anasxhmatismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwtisto melhma ths kybernhshs einai oi diarqrwtikes allages. O anasxhmatismos einai deytereyon.

POYLIDOY: H k. Mpakogiannh zhthse kybernhtikh parembash gia na lyqei to qema twn skoypidiwn. Ti apantate eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti yparxoyn hdh synennohseis metajy twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn kai ths Dhmarxoy Aqhnaiwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Synafhs qa einai h erwthsh moy. Kat` arxas, blepw oti ayth h ejelijh qa kriqei se prwto epipedo dikastiko mallon. Hdh, me ton k. Papaggelopoylo kai toys ekproswpoys olwn twn forewn gia ta qemata@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai ``dikastiko'', sto epipedo toy k. Papaggelopoylo. O eisaggeleas eixe kalesei, apo o,ti gnwrizw, stis 11 to prwi, toys dhmarxoys gia na toys episthsei thn prosoxh -apo ayta poy plhroforhqhka- gia ta problhmata poy tyxon qa dhmioyrghqoyn sth dhmosia ygeia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akribws. Epeidh, omws, to zhthma epeigei logw twn problhmatwn poy mporei na dhmioyrghqoyn sth dhmosia ygeia kai bebaiws me aformh th dhlwsh toy ypoyrgoy k. Abramopoyloy, o opoios eipe oti qa prepei telika oloi na arqoyn sto ycos twn peristasewn, h kybernhsh qa perimenei na katalhjoyn prwta oi synennohseis metajy twn synarmodiwn forewn h epeidh to qema epeigei protiqetai, telos pantwn, na parembei sthn periptwsh ayth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas pw merika logia gia to ti exei ginei, paroti o k. Soyflias ta exei pei analytika stoys armodioteroys twn politikwn syntaktwn, toys syntaktes toy YPEXWDE. Wstoso, gia na gnwrizete kai eseis, milame apo th mia gia to ergo toy biologikoy kaqarismoy poy parelhfqh to Maio toy 2004. Jekinhse to 1998 me proypologismo 128 ekat. eyrw. Htan gia biologiko kaqarismo kai Kentro Jhranshs twn lymatwn, th lymatolasph, gia thn akribeia. O biologikos kaqarismos oloklhrwqhke stis arxes toy 2004 kai kostise 205 ekat. eyrw. Enw gia olo to ergo eixan problefqei 128 ekat. eyrw, mono o biologikos kostise 205 ekat. eyrw kai oloklhrwqhke to 2004, me yperbash dhladh kata 50%, xwris na ginei to problepomeno Kentro Jhranshs. To poso gia to Kentro htan 30 ekat. eyrw, alla kai ayto xaqhke sto dromo. Epipleon, apo to Martio toy 2003 eixe diakopei h metafora ths lasphs sto XYTA twn Anw Liosiwn, me apotelesma mexri to Martio toy 2004 na exoyn sysswreytei panw apo to nhsi ths Cytalleias 100.000 tonoi lasphs. Ti exei ginei apo to Marth toy 2004 ews shmera; Gia thn kataskeyh toy Kentroy Jhranshs, dromologhqhke h kataskeyh toy, prokhryxqhke dieqnhs diagwnismos, ypoblhqhkan prosfores, egine proepilogh tessarwn koinoprajiwn, ekdikasthkan enstaseis, oloklhrwnetai h ajiologhsh twn texnikwn kai oikonomikwn prosforwn. Amesws meta thn oloklhrwsh ths ajiologhshs, proxwra bebaiws to ergo. Qelw aplws na pw oti antistoixa problhmata eixan paroysiastei sto parelqon sth Qessalonikh. Dhmioyrghqhke ekei ena antistoixo Kentro Jhranshs kai edw kai tria xronia leitoyrgei me poly kala apotelesmata kai xwris problhma gia kanena apo toys katoikoys. Kata ta loipa, leptomereies exei dwsei o k. Soyflias, mhn epanalabw ta idia.

XIWTHS: Tis teleytaies 15 hmeres, o Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwnei synanthseis mono me melh ths kybernhshs h ths koinoboyleytikhs omadas. Ek twn ysterwn, mhpws yparxoyn kapoies synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy epiqymeite na anakoinwsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ``ek twn ysterwn''; Na exoyn ginei kapoies synanthseis kai na mhn tis exoyme anakoinwsei;

XIWTHS: Oxi, tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Giati sta dhmosieymata diabazw gia diafores synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oi opoies ginontai, den qa elega me ton oro ``mystika'', alla en pash periptwsei den exoyn anakoinwqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mystika, sto Majimoy malista, den mporei na ginoyn. Mystika, otan enas ek twn symmetexontwn se opoies synanthseis einai o Prwqypoyrgos, epishs den mporei na ginei. Kata synepeia, edw kai 15-16 mhnes poy eimaste kybernhsh anakoinwnontai opoies anakoinwnontan panta. Den exei allajei kati.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws ginontai sth Rafhna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Rafhna;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai. Idiwtikes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To spiti toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai sth Rafhna. Ekei menei. Idiwtikes synanthseis sigoyra kanei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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