Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-05-27

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Aqhna, 27 Maioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos brisketai sth Qessalonikh, opoy ayth thn wra omilei sthn Eqnikh Sxolh Dikastwn.

Stis 20.00, qa milhsei se ekdhlwsh poy diorganwnei h Polytexnikh Sxolh toy Aristoteleioy Panepisthmioy Qessalonikhs, sto Megaro Moysikhs, me aformh th symplhrwsh 50 etwn apo thn idrysh ths. H omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh brisketai sth diaqesh sas, me empargko.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poios qa plhrwsei to kostos ths ejodoy apo ton OTE; Einai 1,6 disekatommyria, einai dyo F.P.A, oktakosia ekatommyria eisprajate apo to F.P.A. poy anebasate kai ayto einai diplasio.

ANTWNAROS: Perissotero apo opoiodhpote kostos shmasia exei h wfeleia poy prokyptei synolika, toso gia ton OTE, oso kai gia toys ergazomenoys ston Organismo, alla kai gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia kai thn oikonomia genikotera. Ayto einai poy metra kai ayto einai poy exei, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, eidiko baros gia thn oikonomia.

SIDERHS: Qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw: Safws einai pros ofelos twn ergazomenwn toy OTE, otan ta retire ginontai xrysokanqaroi kai qa paroyn apo 200 xiliades eyrw gia na ginoyn syntajioyxoi sta 50 toys. To ofelos ths koinwnias den katalabainw poy einai, toy mesoy ergazomenoy Ellhna poy qa plhrwsei aytoys. Giati, me thn apanthsh sas, afhnete anoikto to endexomeno na to epwmistei ayto to kostos oxi o OTE, alla to koinwniko synolo.

ANTWNAROS: H symfwnia einai sygkekrimenh. Qa parakaloysa, loipon, na anatrejete, na th deite kai na rwthsete oles tis kybernhseis toy PASOK, poy fortwnan to asfalistiko toy OTE kai ths DEH ston eqniko Proypologismo, gia poio logo ftasame se ayto to shmeio, wste twra me th symprajh twn ergazomenwn kai ths dioikhshs ths etaireias na epiteyxqei ryqmish, h opoia, den nomizw, oti amfisbhteitai apo kanenan.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela ena sxolio sxetika me thn omilia toy k. Kyriakopoyloy, toy Proedroy toy SEB. Xqes, kai sxetika me thn poreia twn allagwn -o k. Kyriakopoylos amfisbhthse thn politikh boylhsh ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei se megales allages- alla kai ta sxolia, synolikotera gia thn paroysia toy politikoy kosmoy poy leei oti mia kybernhsh krinetai oxi apo ta ``paraqyra'', alla apo to ergo poy paragei.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh krinetai apo ton ellhniko lao kai apo kanenan allon.

IWANNOY: Epeidh, xqes, akoysthkan se diafores syzhthseis poy eginan se thleoptika paraqyra oti mporei na yparxei problhma me to eyrwpaiko Dikaio kai apo thn arsh ths monimothtas, alla kai apo thn idiwtikopoihsh, gnwrizete, exete antimetwpisei kai exete ejetasei ena tetoio endexomeno; Yparxei problhma na proskroyoyn aytes oi ryqmiseis sto eyrwpaiko dikaio;

ANTWNAROS: Na dieykrinisw gia mia akomh fora, epeidh ginetai syzhthsh gia arsh ths monimothtas, oti den yparxei qema arshs ths monimothtas. Allazei to ergasiako kaqestws gi` aytoys poy qa proslambanontai apo edw kai pera. Gi` aytoys oi opoioi ergazontai hdh ston OTE den allazei tipote oson afora toys oroys apasxolhshs kai ergasias. Sto deytero qema poy anaferqhkate, edwse apanthsh xqes o k. Roysopoylos, h opoia ejakoloyqei na isxyei. Den allaje tipote entos 24 wrwn. Kata thn proetoimasia ths ryqmishs, kata th diarkeia twn diaboyleysewn poy ginontan, h dioikhsh toy OTE eixe erqei se mia prwth epafh me thn Epitroph. Twra poy oloklhrwqhke h symfwnia synexizontai aytes oi epafes, alla den blepw kanena logo anhsyxias..

IWANNOY: Oi epafes ginontai, dioti yparxei kapoio sygkekrimeno problhma h oxi; Gnwrizete ean yparxoyn akanqwdh shmeia, tribhs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew oti yphrje hdh mia prwth syzhthsh me thn Komision. Apo th stigmh poy oloklhrwqhke h symfwnia -h symfwnia oloklhrwqhke molis prin apo dyo hmeres- akoloyqoyn oi syzhthseis epi ths oysias. Ayto einai apolytws fysiko. H Komision eixe apo thn arxh gnwsh ths prwtoboylias, poy eixe analhfqei.

XIWTHS: Ypoqetw oti h kybernhsh exei kostologhsei ti qa kostisei sto Dhmosio h xrhmatodothsh ths eqeloysias ejodoy ston OTE. Mporeite na mas peite poso qa kostisei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas anakoinwsw kanena sygkekrimeno ariqmo. Sas ejhgw -kai epimenw se ayto- oti pera apo ola ta alla, ekeino to opoio metra einai h synolikh wfeleia poy phgazei apo mia tetoia ryqmish, eidika malista ean analogistoyme oloi mas, ti qa synebaine an mia tetoia ryqmish den eixe ginei dynath. Oi synepeies qa htan dysarestes gia ton OTE. Kai se ayth thn periptwsh qa eprepe kaneis na qesei to erwthma, poios qa ekaleito na ferei to oikonomiko kai koinwniko baros.

Giati mia epixeirhsh den exei mono oikonomikes parametroys, exei kai koinwnikes parametroys. Apasxolei anqrwpoys kai prepei kai oi dioikoyntes mias epixeirhshs, alla kai to kratos to opoio exei thn ychlh epopteia mias epixeirhshs toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea, na frontizoyn wste na mhn eperxontai dysaresta apotelesmata gia toys ergazomenoys kai tis koinwnikes omades stis opoies anhkoyn.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Mporeite na peite kaqara oti to kostos ths ejodoy den qa epibarynei toys Ellhnes polites;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exoyme pei. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

KAKALHS: Poioi einai oi logoi poy ypagoreysan ayth th ryqmish ston OTE apo th stigmh poy molis xqes o OTE anakoinwse ayjhsh kerdwn 89% sto a` trimhno. Otan yparxei, dhladh, mia tetoia kerdoforia kai antagwnistikothta poioi einai oi logoi poy ypagoreysan ayth th ryqmish;

ANTWNAROS: H ejygiansh mias shmantikhs etaireias kai epixeirhshs gia to ellhniko gignesqai, opws einai o OTE, prepei na antimetwpizetai pantote se baqos xronoy. Na ejasfalizontai h biwsimothta, h apotelesmatikothta kai h paroysia ths me sebasmo sta krithria toy ygioys antagwnismoy, oxi mono gia fetos h gia ton epomeno xrono, alla gia ta xronia poy erxontai. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno.

XIWTHS: Qelw na epanelqw, giati den katalaba. Gnwrizete to kostos, alla den to lete h den to gnwrizete; Dioti einai allo pragma to ena kai allo pragma to allo. Kai na sas pw giati to lew: Dioti h kybernhsh kathgoreitai oti sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, opws kai sthn periptwsh toy Asfalistikoy twn Trapezwn, poy apo o,ti katalaba, eperxetai ki ekei mia symfwnia stis epomenes hmeres, h kybernhsh emfanizetai na xrhmatodotei ta legomena retire, enw se prohgoymenes periptwseis exei dhlwsei oti den exei toys poroys gia na xrhmatodothsei koinwnikh politikh se xamhloteres tajeis.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poioys kathgoreitai; Giati, egw den exw akoysei kamia tetoia kathgoria.

XIWTHS: Apo politika stelexh.

ANTWNAROS: Politika stelexh genika; Peite moy apo poioys.

XIWTHS: Na sas to ferw kai sygkekrimena, alla en pash periptwsei@

ANTWNAROS: Opws antilambaneste se kathgories genikes kai nefelwdeis den prokeitai na dwsw kamia apanthsh.

XIWTHS: Wraia, epeidh den exw proxeira ta onomata kai olwn twn kathgorwn, einai dikh moy h ermhneia.

TSIODRAS: Na bohqhsw ligo. O k. Mhtsotakhs, xqes, den qelhse na sxoliasei th ryqmish ston OTE.

ANTWNAROS: Kai ayto einai kathgoria;

TSIODRAS: Oxi, oxi. Einai gnwsto oti exei ekfrasei thn apoch pws den mporei to koinwniko synolo na plhrwnei gia orismena retire. To exei pei gia to Asfalistiko twn Trapezwn kai ayth thn apoch exei kai gia ton OTE. Orise ena sygkekrimeno politiko stelexos.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw, oyte twrines, oyte palaies dhlwseis toy Epitimoy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia.

TSIODRAS: Oxi, gia thn oysia gi` ayto poy rwthse o k. Xiwths.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai oti kala qa kanei kaneis na dei poioi einai ergazomenoi toy OTE, oi opoioi kanoyn xrhsh twn dynatothtwn poy toys dinoyn oi ryqmiseis gia thn eqeloysia ejodo. Den nomizw oti einai oloi ayto poy apokaleite eseis syllhbdhn ``retire''. Kai epanalambanw: Ekeino poy exei shmasia kai gia thn koinwnia kai gia thn oikonomia ws synolo einai: Mesa apo tis diadikasies poy dromologhqhkan kai oloklhrwqhkan -me th symfwnh gnwmh kai th synainesh oswn kaqisan gyrw apo to trapezi- na doqoyn lyseis se qemata, ta opoia xronizan kai kaneis den hqele na ta aggijei.

XIWTHS: Kat` arxhn, den apanthsate sto arxiko moy erwthma, an gnwrizete to kostos ths sygkekrimenhs ryqmishs kai den to dhmosiopoieite h den to gnwrizete.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo se osa eipa.

XIWTHS: Deyteron, ayto poy qelw na pw einai oti h ryqmish ayth emfanizetai apo thn idia thn anakoinwsh toy OTE ws ena antallagma gia thn allagh toy ergasiakoy kaqestwtos ston OTE. Dhladh, den anoije jafnika ena neo ergasiako periballon ston OTE, alla ayto egine ws antallagma gia mia eqeloysia ejodo xiliadwn ypallhlwn poy apo o,ti katalabainoyme toys xrysoplhrwnei to ellhniko Dhmosio. Einai etsi h den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Mia symfwnia apoteleitai pantote apo para polla systatika stoixeia. Mia symfwnia shmainei oti kaqisan oi endiaferomenes pleyres gyrw apo ena trapezi. Paroysiase o kaqenas tis apoceis toy h tis prosdokies toy kai breqhke enas koinos topos. Ayto synista mia symfwnia. Ayto poy metraei gia ton OTE einai oti me th lysh ayth ejasfalizetai h biwsimothta toy Organismoy se baqos xronoy, wste na mporesei na anaptyxqei apotelesmatika se periballon antagwnismoy. Na proxwrhsei akomh stis ependyseis ekeines oi opoies xreiazontai, wste se baqos xronoy kai tis kalyteres dynates yphresies na parexei, alla taytoxronws na exei kai th dynatothta na prosferei nees qeseis ergasias -akribws logw ths anaptyjhs poy qa exei- stoys Ellhnes polites kaqe hlikias.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh, an ektimw kala, exei kanei kai alles tetoies symfwnies poy sto mellon qa tis anakoinwsei; Syzhtaei me alles DEKO kai pote qa ginei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Oi symfwnies anakoinwnontai otan oloklhrwqoyn.

SOYGLERHS: Ayth th stigmh den yparxei kati anakoinwsimo;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tipote na anakoinwsw.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh apefyge na sxoliasei xqes, opws to synhqizei, thn omilia toy arxhgoy ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs toy k. Papandreoy sth Genikh Syneleysh toy SEB. Giati, den eixe thn politikh gennaiothta na paradexqei oti o arxhgos toy PASOK sthrizei tis tomes kai tis rhjeis poy proanhggeile kai o Prwqypoyrgos sthn idia Syneleysh h to oti sthrije kai th symfwnia ston OTE;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai, ti qelete na peite. O arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs milhse nwritera. Kai argotera, to brady, milhse o Prwqypoyrgos. O Prwqypoyrgos topoqethqhke. O Prwqypoyrgos ekfrazei thn kybernhsh. Ti na sxoliasei h kybernhsh peran twn oswn eipe o Prwqypoyrgos; O Prwqypoyrgos, ws koryfh ths kybernhshs, topoqethqhke synolika sta qemata ths oikonomias.

KAKALHS: Anejarthta apo ayto, lew oti, synhqws, o Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs sxoliazei kaqe omilia kai emfanish toy arxhgoy ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Xqes den to kanate, alla anejarthta apo ayto to gegonos einai ena: Giati h kybernhsh den exei thn politikh gennaiothta na anagnwrizei oti o Proedros toy PASOK prosferei politikh synainesh kai sthrijh se oles tis neofileleyqeres tomes kai rhjeis poy prowqei;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, xrhsimopoihsate sthn erwthsh sas oroys kai xarakthrismoys, oi opoioi den mas ekfrazoyn kai den exoyn kai kamia sxesh me thn politikh thn opoia akoloyqei h kybernhsh. H kybernhsh akoloyqei mia politikh poy stoxo exei thn anaptyjh kai th staqeropoihsh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias me prooptikh gia to mellon kai pros ofelos olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KAKALHS: Tote na mas prosdiorisete tis ptyxes twn metarryqmisewn stis ergasiakes sxeseis kai sto asfalistiko poy prowqei h kybernhsh kai epishs me poia organwmena symferonta qa sygkroystei h kybernhsh, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei se ola ta qemata poy anaferate. Den mporei na doqoyn lyseis apo th mia hmera sthn allh. H mexri stigmhs stash ths neas diakybernhshs apodeiknyei oti, me gnwmona to symferon kai ths koinwnias kai toy synoloy twn Ellhnwn politwn, einai se qesh na briskei lyseis poy ginontai apodektes apo th megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn.

POYLIDOY: To Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs eixe bgalei mia apofash poy eqete se diatimhsh orismenwn proiontwn, opws toys kafedes, ta santoyits k.lp. Egine, omws, mia prosfygh h opoia dikaiwse tis etaireies promhqeytwn. Qa hqela na rwthsw twra ti kaqestws isxyei; Qa ejakoloyqoyn na einai se diatimhsh ayta ta proionta h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw proqesh, se kamia periptwsh, na sxoliasw apofash dikasthrioy. Parakalw gi ayto to qema na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

POYLIDOY: Symfwnoi. Alla, apo esas eixame plhroforhqei thn apofash poy eplhtte thn kerdoskopia, ara apo edw prepei na mas dwsete kai mia apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: H prospaqeia ayth qa synexistei xwris kamia apolytws parekklish. Prepei na prostateyqoyn ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn katanalwtwn. Dhladh na prostateyqoyn oi polites apo ekeinoys oi opoioi qa dienooynto me aqemitoys tropoys na epiballoyn times poy den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikh ajia twn proiontwn.

TSIKRIKA: O k. Karamarios kybernhtikos boyleyths kai proedros ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs, paradexqhke oti mesolabhse gia na dioristoyn sto Taxydromiko Tamieythrio dyo atoma, ta opoia htan gnwsta toy kai ayto egine mesw ths etaireias MELLON. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn ypoqesh. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

SIDERHS: To montelo toy OTE qa einai prokrima kai gia eyryteres allages sto steno dhmosio tomea, as poyme, sta Ypoyrgeia;

ANTWNAROS: Se erwthsh poy moy eteqh prin, dieykrinisa oti den tiqetai qema arshs ths monimothtas sto Dhmosio.

IWANNOY: Pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh dhlwseis boyleytwn ths poy lene dhmosia oti mesolabhsan gia na dioristoyn kapoioi anqrwpoi kai malista apo thn paratajh ths N.D. se qeseis toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea. Ayto h kybernhsh to yioqetei h to epikrinei;

ANTWNAROS: Moy metaferate mia dhlwsh toy k. Karamarioy, thn opoia den gnwrizw. Kai xwris na amfisbhtw kaqoloy thn egkyrothta oswn paraqetete, den prokeitai na sxoliasw kamia dhlwsh ths opoias to periexomeno den gnwrizw.

IWANNOY: Epi ths oysias epikrotei h kybernhsh dhlwseis kybernhtikwn boyleytwn;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis

IWANNOY: Den sas metaferw th dhlwsh, sas lew ean h kybernhsh epikrotei na mesolaboyn oi kybernhtikoi boyleytes se diorismoys filikwn toys proswpwn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den prokeitai na apanthsw se erwthsh h opoia edrazetai se kati poy den moy einai gnwsto.

SIDERHS: Kati se sxesh me thn prohgoymenh erwthsh moy, giati egine kapoia paranohsh: Rwthsa ean oi neoproslambanomenoi sto steno dhmosio tomea, qa exoyn allagh ergasiakwn sxesewn. Egine katanohto ayto poy eipate gia toys hdh ergazomenoys.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti gia osoys apasxoloyntai ston aysthra steno dhmosio tomea, den tiqetai qema arshs ths monimothtas. Sto OTE exoyme, meta thn prosfath symfwnia, mia nea katastash. Qa exoyme, meta thn oristikopoihsh ayths ths ryqmishs, dyo omades ergazomenwn: Aytoys poy eixan proslhfqei me allo ergasiako plaisio sto parelqon kai aytoys oi opoioi qa proslambanontai apo toyde kai sto ejhs. Ayto den isxyei gia to Dhmosio. Pio safestera den mporw na to pw.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite pws qa epelqei h sygklish twn orwn apasxolhshs metajy dhmosioy kai idiwtikoy tomea, gia thn opoia ekane logo xqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs; Qa epelqei mesw ths arshs monimothtas sto dhmosio kai thn ejomoiwsh twn wrwn apasxolhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Molis sas apanthsa gia th monimothta.

KAKALHS: Einai treis oi piqanothtes.

ANTWNAROS: Qetete ws proypoqesh kati to opoio exw hdh apokleisei.

KAKALHS: Ean den einai h arsh ths monimothtas qa einai h ejomoiwsh stoys oroys ergasias; Qa einai h ejomoiwsh twn amoibwn pros ta katw;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na sas parakoloyqhsw se ayta ta senaria.

KAKALHS: Einai aplo, to eipe kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs, o opoios ekane logo gia stadiakh sygklish twn orwn apasxolhshs anamesa stoys ergazomenoys sto dhmosio kai idiwtiko tomea. Aytos einai enas stoxos poy qa ylopoihqei mesa apo sygkekrimenoys tropoys. Qa einai h ejomoiwsh stis amoibes, qa einai h ejomoiwsh stoys oroys ergasias;

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete na sas apanthsw oti qa einai ekeino h to allo. Ola ayta synistoyn mia diadikasia, poy proypoqetei dialogo, synennohsh, antallagh apocewn, makres, endexomenws, diapragmateyseis. H kaqe pleyra, profanws, qa syzhthsei ayta poy thn endiaferoyn kai exoyn apolyth proteraiothta gia ekeinh. Kai qa breqei koinh synistamenh. Ayta den einai dynaton na lyqoyn me ena nai h ena oxi, me mia apanthsh monolektikh sto press room.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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