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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 19 Maioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos apesteile mhnyma sthn Panellhnia Omospondia Pontiakwn Swmatiwn gia th 19h Maioy, hmera eqnikhs mnhmhs gia tis Ellhnides kai toys Ellhnes. Einai h hmera poy o pontiakos ellhnismos biwse tis synepeies toy tyfloy fanatismoy kai ths misallodojias.

Me aformh kapoia dhmosieymata qa hqela na kanw dyo anakoinwseis. H prwth afora thn ejasfalish eparkeias hlektrikhs energeias gia to kalokairi. Gia thn antimetwpish piqanoy problhmatos apo thn ayjhmenh zhthsh hlektrikhs energeias to kalokairi, to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs kai h DEH lambanoyn metra ta opoia antimetwpizoyn to endexomeno zhthma me periorismo ths spatalhs hlektrikhs energeias kat` arxas sto dhmosio tomea. Sygkekrimena, prokeitai gia koinh ypoyrgikh apofash me antikeimeno thn amesh egkatastash, sta ktiria toy dhmosioy kai toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea, systhmatwn antistaqmishs isxyos mexri 30/06. To Ypoyrgeio jekina ayth thn prospaqeia apo to dhmosio tomea. H ejoikonomhsh kostoys energeias qa anelqei se dekades ekatommyria eyrw. Parallhla, to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs prowqei th synennohsh me megaloys biomhxanikoys katanalwtes, qespizontas kinhtra gia th meiwsh ths katanalwshs se krisimes hmeres, kyriws kata to mhna Ioylio. Hdh yparxoyn qetikes antapokriseis se ayto to sxedio toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs. Epishs, to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs se synergasia me th DEH exei labei mia seira metrwn gia thn enisxysh toy systhmatos paragwghs kai metaforas energeias, toso me braxyxronia oso kai makroxronia metra. Ajizei na shmeiwqei oti apo to 1998 kai meta den exei ginei kamia shmantikh ependysh sth DEH gia th monimh antimetwpish aytoy toy zhthmatos.

H deyterh anakoinwsh afora ton elegxo timwn sthn agora. H kybernhsh kai to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs parakoloyqoyn systhmatika kai agrypna th leitoyrgia ths agoras kai toy antagwnismoy giati ayto einai pros to symferon toy polith katanalwth. Hdh brisketai sth Boylh, gia epejergasia, nomosxedio poy enswmatwnei oles tis eyrwpaikes odhgies gia ton antagwnismo kai thn Epitroph antagwnismoy, wste ayth na katastei mia anejarthth arxh me enisxymenes armodiothtes. Ginontai elegxoi -opws sas exw anakoinwsei kai alles fores se aythn edw thn aiqoysa- apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs se synergasia me th Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh. Yparxoyn epiteleia poy einai se epagrypnhsh eikositesseris wres to eikositetrawro. To Ypoyrgeio exei hdh jekinhsei kladikes ereynes gia th diamorfwsh twn timwn, ths poiothtas kai ths proeleyshs twn trofimwn. O Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs zhthse apo thn Epitroph antagwnismoy na elegjei tis diafores twn timwn sthn Ellada kai tis ypoloipes eyrwpaikes xwres. Epishs, shmera o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs se synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs syzhtoyn me toys ekproswpoys toy xwroy twn galaktokomikwn proiontwn kai ejetazontai zhthmata poy sxetizontai me thn poiothta kai tis times aytwn twn proiontwn. Einai mia seira epafwn kai syzhthsewn poy ginontai gia polla proionta. Gnwrizete hdh oti eixame apotelesmata se periptwseis, kata to parelqon, opoy yphrjan prospaqeies kerdoskopias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na rwthsw me poio tropo h kybernhsh qa antimetwpisei ayta ta kroysmata poy epaneilhmmena to teleytaio diasthma exoyn parei diastaseis xionostibadas me thn aneparkeia orismenwn stelexwn sth dhmosia dioikhsh kai stis DEKO. H an qelete me ta laqh toys, tis paraleiceis toys kai thn alazoneia toys, prosbaloyn toso ton Proedro Kwsta Karamanlh alla kai thn kybernhsh m` aytes tis energeies poy kanoyn kai prosbaloyn th dhmosia dioikhsh kai thn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Omileite peri pollwn kroysmatwn, kati to opoio den einai alhqes. An anafereste se xqesinh ypoqesh, gnwrizete poly kala ti exei ginei apo thn pleyra toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn.

SIDERHS: Exei dikio o synadelfos poy anaferetai se polles ypoqeseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati polles;

SIDERHS: Eixame stelexh ths dhmosias dioikhshs se politikes qeseis, eixame to Geniko Grammatea toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporioy, eixame thn DEYAQ Qessalonikhs, eixame ton OPAP, ton ypeyqyno Typoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti akribws moy perigrafete; Sth DEYAQ, opws gnwrizete, yphrje apopomph dyo stelexwn@

SIDERHS: Exoyn ypoxrewqei se paraithsh tosa politika stelexh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @apo ton Ypoyrgo, o opoios ekane sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh dioti yphrxan diaforetikes proseggiseis exontas mexri stigmhs kanei poly kalh doyleia. Oi diaforetikes proseggiseis odhghsan ton Ypoyrgo sthn apofash na zhthsei tis paraithseis twn dyo stelexwn, dioti eblepe oti aytes oi diaforetikes proseggiseis twn dyo stelexwn qa mporoysan na exoyn arnhtika apotelesmata gia ton organismo.

SIDERHS: Wraia. Krinete oti o Prwqypoyrgos den prepei na enskhcei ston tropo poy epilegontai ta dhmosia stelexh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai ti ennoeite. Qa hqela na ginete pio sygkekrimenos. Epanalambanw oti sthn ypoqesh poy anaferate -giati mia ypoqesh anaferate- yphrjan sygkekrimenes proseggiseis, diaforetikes gia ton Organismo. O armodios Ypoyrgos Makedonias-Qrakhs proxwrhse sthn energeia poy sas proanefera sebomenos to gegonos oti qa prepei o Organismos na leitoyrgei aproskopta kai xwris ta opoiadhpote problhmata. Einai mia logikh, h opoia einai oxi aplws apodekth, alla kai epiqymhth. Otan diapistwneis ena problhma, prospaqeis na to lyseis kai to lyneis.

SIDERHS: Ayto sas eipa. Me polla problhmata omws. Kai me to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas synebh ayto kai xqes synebh kati@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw se ti anafereste sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

SIDERHS: Me ton ypeyqyno toy Grafeioy Typoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan yparxoyn problhmata, ayth h kybernhsh ta lynei. Einai para poly shmantiko, to na lynontai ta problhmata kai na mhn xronizoyn. Kyriws, de, einai akomh shmantikotero na mhn koykoylwnontai.

MIXAHL: Synexizei o k. Paylopoylos na exei thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy h exei ypobalei paraithsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den isxyei to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas. Oson afora to prwto, nai.

MELETHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mia kai to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs einai to kat` ejoxhn armodio gia tis proslhceis, gia thn ajiokratia sto dhmosio poy basika shmeia ths politikhs ths kybernhshs, toylaxiston opws ta eixe ejaggeilei proeklogika, pisteyete oti dhlwseis opws toy k. Nakoy prin apo ena mhna gia ta ``dika mas paidia'' se kapoia ekdhlwsh, h leitoyrgia ayth, apokalych gia to diorismo sto Taxydromiko Tamieythrio kai sto dhmosio, stelnoyn swsta mhnymata sthn koinwnia; Kai an oxi poios einai ypeyqynos gi` ayto telika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H dhlwsh toy k. Nakoy parapoihqhke kata oiktro tropo. Parakalw na diabasete olh toy thn omilia se ekeinh thn kommatikh ekdhlwsh. Eytyxws parapoihqhke mono apo merida MME kai oxi apo ola ta MME.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se sxesh me ayto to qema poy afora to synergath toy k. Paylopoyloy. Kat` arxhn h erwthsh moy einai an tiqetai qema hqikhs tajews gia ton synergath toy ton k. Xoyph, to na einai synergaths toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn kai parallhla na metexei an den exei systhsei opws leei o idios se etaireia poy sxetizetai me proslhceis proswpikoy sto Taxydromiko Tamieythrio kai an xqes me aformh ayto to zhthma, o k. Paylopoylos ypebale thn paraithsh toy ston Prwqypoyrgo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto deytero erwthma sas exw hdh apanthsei. Sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, qelw na pw oti einai mia hqika anepitrepth energeia, thn opoia o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs molis thn plhroforhqhke, kalese ton synergath toy na paraithqei. Oper kai egeneto.

KAKALHS: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti den yparxei qema skandaloy idiwtikopoihshs twn proslhcewn sto Dhmosio apo th stigmh poy anatiqentai se idiwtes-symboyloys, apo th stigmh poy yparxei to ASEP, yparxoyn oi nomoi kai ta Ypoyrgeia gia na ta feroyn se peras. Giati anatiqentai oi proslhceis se idiwtes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean syndeete to qema poy syzhtoysame prohgoymenws, ofeilw na sas pw oti h diadikasia poy qa akoloyqeito kai se ayto to qema -kai qa akoloyqhqei, qa to deite sthn poreia- einai mesw toy ASEP, opws symbainei me oles tis proslhceis sto Dhmosio.

KAKALHS: Ek twn ysterwn omws sto ASEP.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Oytws h allws htan programmatismeno na akoloyqhqei h diadikasia toy ASEP. Allo einai to qema to opoio eteqh me ton synergath toy k. Paylopoyloy. Den yfistatai erwthma gia to an qa yparxei diadikasia ASEP h oxi. Mesw toy ASEP ginontai oi proslhceis kai ayto den to amfisbhtei kaneis.

POYLIDOY: Me ton k. Xoyph ap` o,ti katalaba egine symplhrwmatika me to ASEP. Den htan pros katarghsh toy ASEP. To erwthma moy pantws einai an kata thn kybernhsh qewreitai to qema lhjan h an yparxei qema kai gia ton k. Tsoypidh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema exei lhjei.

MIXAHL: Gia ton k. Tsoypidh, giati den yparxei qema; Dioti, opws swsta mas eipate prin apo ligo, mesw toy ASEP ginontai oi proslhceis. Poios, loipon, o logos, o k. Tsoypidhs na zhthsei ajiologhsh kai malista oxi gia kapoio dieyqyntiko proswpiko apo kapoio idiwth, anejarthta an sthn paroysa fash htan o k. Xoyphs. Den mporei na elegjei o idios an kapoios exei ta prosonta na einai ypallhlos toy Tamieythrioy kai prepei na ton elegjei idiwths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei zhthma paratyphs h paranomhs diadikasias. Yparxei zhthma hqikhs tajhs, sto opoio anaferqhka prohgoymenws.

GALIATSATOS: To qema ths paratyphs kai paranomhs diadikasias yparxei se oti afora to Diatagma, to opoio ypoxrewnei toys epikefalhs twn dhmosiwn Organismwn na sas dwsoyn ta stoixeia ta opoia toys zhtate gia na ta kataqesoyn sthn ESHEA. Ap` oso qymamai, h synergasia toy k. Xoyph me to Taxydromiko Tamieythrio, den yphrxe stoys katalogoys ths ESHEA.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, to P.D. 60/1997 poy eixe ferei o prwhn Ypoyrgos Typoy k. Reppas, anaferetai stoys dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai sto dhmosio kai ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea. H diadikasia sthn opoia anafereste, einai mia diadikasia ektos toy dhmosioy h toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea. Se kaqe periptwsh, na eiste bebaios oti qa ereynhqei to qema apo thn arxh, se o,ti afora ayto edw to Ypoyrgeio, dhladh an yparxoyn opoiesdhpote eyqynes h tyxon dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei kai den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Gnwrizete poly kala @to syzhthsame polles fores kai edw kai sto Zappeio- oti ta eggrafa me tis katastaseis poy ftanoyn stis dyo Grammateies pleon -meta apo apaithsh toy P.D. 60/1997- einai eggrafa poy katagrafoyn tis synergasies twn dhmosiografwn sto dhmosio tomea. Gi` ayta, thn apolyth eyqynh exoyn oi proistamenoi twn diaforwn Yphresiwn, eite einai Dioikhtes, eite Proedroi Organismwn.

MIXAHL: Ws epopteywn ypoyrgos ths dhmosias thleorashs, egkrinete to gegonos oti o k. Xoyphs, monimos ypallhlos ths ET3, eixe apospasqei sto Grafeio toy k. Paylopoyloy kai parallhla ekane idiwtikh doyleia, kati to opoio apo to nomo den epitrepetai gia toys dhmosioys ypallhloys; Kai ti metra qa labete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mplekete dyo diaforetika pragmata. An to kanete apo agnoia, ayth sygxwreitai. An omws to kanete skopimws, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti kanete poly megalo laqos. Oson afora to prwto qema, einai safes ti exei symbei. Yparxei sto dhmosio tomea nomos me ton opoio epitrepontai oi apospaseis apo yphresia se yphresia, opws kai oi metatajeis kai oi metaqeseis. @Ara, loipon, otan to emplekete me kati teleiws diaforetiko, to opoio prohgoymenws xarakthrisa hqiko qema, prospaqeite na dhmioyrghsete entypwseis poy den exoyn kamia bash. An qelete, mporeite na epanadiatypwsete thn erwthsh se sxesh me to sygkekrimeno gegonos. Aposyndesate, omws, ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws gia thn ERT, dioti, opws sas eipa, yparxei nomos poy problepei tis apospaseis. Ean, dhladh, me rwtoysate an egine paranomws h apospash, qa sas apantoysa: Den egine paranomws. H syndesh, loipon, sto idio erwthma dyo diaforetikwn qematwn, dhmioyrgei entypwseis. Kai aytes tis entypwseis ofeilw na tis anaferw, opws tis eklambanw.

MIXAHL: Epitrepetai dhmosios ypallhlos na exei kai idiwtikh apasxolhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero erwthma sas, exw hdh apanthsei anaferomenos se hqika anepitrepth energeia. Ara, loipon, otan to lew gia trith fora, den antilambanomai ti perissotero pisteyete oti qa bgei apo ayto to erwthma.

GKOYTZANHS: H eidika anepitrepth energeia kai to zhthma hqikhs tajews, sta opoia anaferqhkate, periorizetai ston k. Xoyph kai den aggizei kanenan allo apo toys emplekomenoys s` ayth thn ypoqesh; Kaneis den hjere poia einai h idiothta toy k. Xoyph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean gnwrize o politikos proistamenos -poy den gnwrize- qa phgaine kai para pera. Otan o politikos proistamenos den gnwrizei, bebaiws kai periorizetai ston ypallhlo poy exei probei s` ayth thn energeia.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai kai gia ekeinoys poy ton proselaban. Den einai mono gia ton politiko proistameno.

RABANOS: Mia dieykrinish: O politikos proistamenos toy, o k. Paylopoylos, epikoinwnhse me ton Prwqypoyrgo gia to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

SIDERHS: Qa moy epitrecete th lejh, oso kai an den sas aresei: Ayth h ``paragka'' twn proslhcewn einai kat` analogia ths podosfairikhs, jerete an exei sthqei kai se alloys Organismoys kai giati den ginetai diagwnismos na anateqei ayth h doyleia se kapoies etairies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws oti den yparxei kati paranomo h paratypo, peran toy zhthmatos hqikhs tajews. Ara, loipon, otan anafereste se ``paragka proslhcewn'', na moy anaferete kai toys nomoys, oi opoioi parabiazontai. Ean den moy anaferete toys nomoys poy parabiazoyn ayto to opoio ginetai, tote nomizw oti kanete mia erwthsh gia na dhmioyrghqoyn eykoles entypwseis, kati poy den sas tairiazei.

SIDERHS: An den parabiaze kapoioys nomoys, estw kai hqikoys, den qa ginotan h paraithsh apodekth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia toys nomoys ths hqikhs, exw hdh anaferqei treis fores. @Ara, loipon, gia toys nomoys ths hqikhs poy parabiazontai, ypeblhqh paraithsh kai egine apodekth. Ean parabiazontai alloi nomoi, parakalw na moy to gnwstopoihsete gia na parw sygkekrimenh qesh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sxetika me ton k. Xoyph: Gia poio logo kaqysterhse na dwsei sth dhmosiothta to keimeno ths paraithshs toy; Apo tis 20:00, xqes, poy anekyce to qema, mexri tis 12:00 shmera, nomizw oti einai kapoies wres. Sthn anakoinwsh ths paraithshs toy, o k. Xoyphs mplekei polla pragmata, asymbata kat` eme. Qewrei oti prokeitai gia epiqeseis poy exoyn stoxo ton k. Paylopoylo, o opoios exei breqei sto stoxastro ths diaplokhs, apo kapoioys oi opoioi prospaqoyn na parejhghsoyn to kaqe ti kai karadokoyn gia na metatrecoyn thn trixa se trixia. Symmerizeste eseis ayth thn apoch poy paraqetei o paraithqeis k. Xoyphs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio s` ayta poy eipate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sxetika me thn anakoinwsh poy kaqysterhse;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, bebaia. Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ekfrazw tis qeseis kai tis anakoinwseis ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Pisteyete oti einai qema apla atomikhs eyqynhs kai den yparxei qema antikeimenika politikhs eyqynhs twn ypoyrgwn gia thn epilogh, ta laqh kai tis paraleiceis twn ypallhlwn toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei politikh eyqynh an gnwrizei kapoios. Dioti, fantazomai, oti sthn proswpikh, epaggelmatikh kai kaqhmerinh zwh mas yparxoyn pragmata poy mporei na kanei o diplanos mas kai na mh ta gnwrizoyme. Shmasia exei pws antidroyme apo th stigmh poy gnwrizoyme ena gegonos kai blepoyme na parabiazetai enas kanonas hqikhs tajews. Ean antidroyme siwpwntas kai anexomenoi, tote bebaiws yparxei meizon qema. Otan, omws, antidroyme oxi siwpwntas kai anexomenoi, alla mh anexomenoi tetoies prajeis kai energeies kai mh siwpwntas, zhtwntas thn paraithsh kai oysiastika apopempontas kapoio synergath mas, tote to zhthma ayths ths hqikhs tajews, bebaiws isxyei gia ton anqrwpo poy parebh toys hqikoys kanones.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia ton k. Paylopoylo eipame oti den hjere, ara den yparxei qema politikhs eyqynhs. O k. Xoyphs pws proselhfqh ekei; Kaneis den hjere ti einai o k. Xoyphs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Xoyphs einai synadelfos sas. @Htan ypeyqynos toy Grafeioy Typoy toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs. Exei mia poreia sth dhmosiografia. Den jerw ti ennoeite otan lete oti kaneis den hjere. Shmera kapoios mporei na xeirizetai me ton alfa tropo mia ypoqesh kai ayrio me to bhta. Qewrw, omws, oti exei ejantlhqei to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Lew gia ekeinon poy ton proselabe. Ean yparxei eyqynh gi` ayton.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti exei ejantlhqei to qema. Exw hdh apanthsei me diaforetikoys tropoys sto idio erwthma.

MIXAHL: Pws sxoliazete apoceis kai ektimhseis poy dhmosieyqhkan oti h ypoqesh ayth synista eswkommatiko kai endokybernhtiko ktyphma kata toy k. Paylopoyloy. Apo kapoioys synadelfoys toy to qema bghke pros ta ejw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw. Mporei na akoystoyn kai na grafoyn polla, alla den shmainei oti ola einai alhqh. Qewrw oti einai yperboles poy synodeyoyn tetoioy eidoys ypoqeseis.

MIXAHL: Kai poia einai h alhqeia kata thn ektimhsh sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ennoeite. Exw hdh anaferqei leptomerws sto qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Filika proskeimenh sthn kybernhtikh paratajh efhmerida, h APOGEYMATINH, se prwtoselido ths zhta thn paraithsh toy k. Paylopoyloy kai leei oti tiqetai hqikhs kai politikhs tajews kai gia ton idio. Pisteyei h kybernhsh oti ontws yparxei qema hqikhs kai politikhs tajews gia ton k. Paylopoylo, opws pisteyei h efhmerida;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei sto erwthma sas.

MELETHS: Qa epanelqw se mia apanthsh poy dwsate prohgoymenws, giati den mporesa na thn katalabw. Lete oti yparxei qema hqikhs tajhs, oxi omws paratypia, den yparxei allh paratypia. Dhladh, poy qa dhmioyrgeito paratypia kai den qa yphrxe qema hqikhs tajhs; An dhladh o k. Xoyphs htan gia paradeigma klhthras sto grafeio toy k. Paylopoyloy kai oxi stenos toy synergaths. Katalabainete ti qelw na pw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na ginete perissotero safhs.

MELETHS: Ennow an htan enas allos ypallhlos toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, o opoios eixe kanei thn etaireia ayth kai ekane toys diagwnismoys kai apokalyptotan ayto, qa eixame qema paratypias h qema hqikhs tajhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn nomoi. Yparxei o kwdikas twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, o opoios problepei ean epitrepetai kapoios na kanei thn a@ h b@ doyleia. Yparxei o N.1256 toy 1982, poy anaferetai ston tropo me ton opoio oi ergazomenoi sto dhmosio tomea mporei na exoyn kai deyterh kai trith enasxolhsh. Gnwrizete oti einai enas nomos o opoios epitrepei polles enasxolhseis sto dhmosio tomea, analoga me tis periptwseis.

MELETHS: Ayto akribws rwtw. Egw milw gia paratypia kai oxi gia qema hqikhs tajhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, h apanthsh moy aforoyse to zhthma ths ypoqeshs poy eqese synadelfos sas gia to diagwnismo ayton kaq` ayton, gia thn prokhryjh. Ekei, loipon, yparxei kapoioy eidoys paratypia. Ekei anaferqhka. Kata ta loipa, einai bebaio oti yparxei zhthma hqikhs tajhs.

SIDERHS: An synebaine se esas, me ena proswpo, me enan ypallhlo, paromoias eggythtas kai empistosynhs, poia qa htan h symperifora sas; Qa dhlwnate paraithsh h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ypoqetikes erwthseis, den exw apanthsei pote. Den skopeyw na kanw twra ejairesh.

LEONTITSH: Apo to Dekembrio poy o k. Xoyphs eixe ypogracei ayto to symbolaio synergasias me to Taxydromiko Tamieythrio, exoyn ginei proslhceis mexri shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw ayto poy moy lete. Alla, ej oswn gnwrizw -kai apo ayta ta opoia plhroforhqhka apo xqes to brady ews shmera- yparxei diadikasia se ejelijh gia thn katartish twn proypoqesewn kat` arxas ths prokhryjhs k.o.k. Omws, qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw, giati einai endiaferon to erwthma sas.

POYLIDOY: To qema hqikhs tajhs, qa to epanaferw, den yparxei mono gia ton k. Xoyph, yparxei kai gia ton k. Tsoypidh. Pws gia sas den klonizetai h ajiopistia, sthn akeraiothta toy en logw atomoy, apo edw kai pera, sth leitoyrgia toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw ejantlhsei to qema.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh einai enhmerh ean h etaireia symboylwn ``Aqanasios Xoyphs'' exei analabei kai alles proslhceis se alloys foreis toy dhmosioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: Den to gnwrizete akomh; Yparxoyn plhrofories oti exei analabei kai alles.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na moy tis peite;

KAKALHS: Oxi. Den mporw na pw, giati rwtw symfwna me plhrofories. Egw rwtw, ean h kybernhsh exei dikes ths plhrofories gia kati sxetiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean ennoeite oti exoyn akoystei fhmes, mporei na exoyn akoystei. Plhrofories, omws, egw den gnwrizw. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, exei hdh lhjei ayth h ypoqesh.

MIXAHL: Yparxoyn plhrofories poy anaferoyn oti ston OTE, gia paradeigma, exoyn ginei tetoies proslhceis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Tetoioy eidoys fainomena eixame sto parelqon poly syxna, me etaireies poy analambanan oktw kai deka kai dekapente doyleies kai ston OTE kai sth DEH kai sthn EYDAP kai alloy. Den eginan pote prwto qema bebaia, alla fantazomai oti ta gnwrizete.

LEONTITSH: Aytes oi etaireies qa proslambanoyn me ton idio tropo poy perigracate kai prokaloysan ayto to klima poy yphrxe nwritera h qa phgainoyn apeyqeias sto ASEP;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh poy sas diakoptw, alla yparxei mia paranohsh. Den einai etaireies poy analambanoyn proslhceis. Einai etaireies, oi opoies anelaban na dhmioyrghsoyn tis synqhkes ekeines, na kataqesoyn protaseis gia to pws qa prepei na ginontai orismena pragmata. Na katagrafoyn, dhladh, orismenes proypoqeseis.

LEONTITSH: Exoyn ekleicei aytes oi proypoqeseis twra gia toys organismoys toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa prohgoymenws kai qa to epanalabw gia trith h tetarth fora: Einai profanes oti gia na leitoyrgoyn ta systhmata ayta entassontai sto plaisio toy nomoy. Den yparxei kapoioy eidoys paranomia poy toylaxiston na gnwrizw egw.

GKOYTZANHS: Eipate gia etaireies tetoies poy leitoyrgoysan sto parelqon kai epairnan dyo, treis, pente k.t.l. doyleies. Twra, exoyn ekleicei aytes oi etaireies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na pw oti xairomai idiaiterws gia thn antapokrish poy eixa apo tis Enwseis Syntaktwn otan eqesa ayto to qema prin apo polloys mhnes, para thn kritikh poy akoysthke gia to proswpo moy. Qewrw oti oi protaseis poy akoysthkan ekei, oi protaseis poy perimenw na staloyn apo orismenes Enwseis, qa odhghsoyn sthn plhrh dialeykansh toy topioy, etsi wste o dhmosiografikos kosmos na mhn antimetwpizei kathgories poy antimetwpise, kata kairoys, sto parelqon. Epishs, qelw na qymisw oti eixa anakoinwsei se mia apo tis synanthseis toy Zappeioy, oti qa proxwrhsoyme sth dhmioyrgia Mhtrwoy etaireiwn epikoinwnias stis dyo Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs. Mexri twra den yparxei tetoio mhtrwo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh me thn etaireia sthn opoia feretai na meteixe h systhse o k. Xoyphs, giati den exei jekaqarisei ayto to zhthma, exete ypoch sas ean exei rwthqei o idios an yparxoyn kai alla atoma, ta opoia exoyn sxesh me to Dhmosio h einai @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai thn prospaqeia sas na kanete reportaz. Sas qymizw, omws, oti egw eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Qewrw oti exei ejantlhqei to qema. Mporeite na rwthsete kai na kanete to reportaz sas gia na maqete ola ayta poy lete se etaireies h opoy alloy eseis nomizete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi. Ennow ean endiaferetai h kybernhsh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy kanete mia erwthsh, h opoia den apeyqynetai sthn kybernhsh. Apeyqynetai se diafores etaireies. An yparxoyn etaireies alfa h bhta. Parakalw kanete to reportaz sas kai sth synexeia mporeite na qesete opoia erwthsh qelete poy na apeyqynetai, omws, sthn kybernhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epitrecete moy, omws, na oloklhrwsw thn erwthsh moy; Epeidh eipate oti qa proxwrhsete -kai ayto einai poly qetiko, poly enqarryntiko- sth dhmioyrgia Mhtrwoy etaireiwn epikoinwnias. Epeidh gia mia etaireia prokeitai, h aporia moy einai h ejhs: Apo th stigmh poy empleketai o synergaths toy Ypoyrgoy, an den exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh, yparxei to endexomeno na emplekontai omws kai alla proswpa ta opoia sxetizontai me to Dhmosio h endexomenws einai dhmosiografoi, einai dhladh synadelfoi mas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ginei mia parejhghsh. Den einai paranomo na exei kapoios etaireia. Sthn Ellada gnwrizete oti yparxei eleyqerh oikonomia. Mporei na exei kaneis opoia etaireia qelei. Den einai paratypo ayto poy synebh, me bash toys nomoys poy exoyme sth xwra mas. Ayto to opoio synebh -kai to epanalambanw gia tetarth fora, me kindyno na ginw koyrastikos apenanti sas- einai ena zhthma to opoio xarakthrisa apo thn prwth stigmh hqika anepitrepto. Ekei, loipon, einai poy ejantleitai h kritikh kai h ypoqesh ayth kaqayth. Gi` ayto, o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, molis to plhroforhqhke, elabe thn apofash poy oloi gnwrizete.

MELETHS: Sygnwmh, giati mperdeythka pali. Den einai paranomo na exei etaireia dhmosios ypallhlos, o opoios einai o stenoteros synergaths sto grafeio toy Ypoyrgoy; Dhladh, o k. Paylopoylos mporei na ftiajei etaireia ayrio kai na ftiaxnei aytos toys oroys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parepemca se nomoys poy yparxoyn gia to dhmosio tomea kai oi opoioi exoyn sygkekrimenes probleceis. Sas eipa prohgoymenws gia to N.1256. Parakalw anazhteiste kai breite thn opoia paranomia, ean yparxei.

H epomenh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn qa ginei th Deytera, 23 Maioy 2005.

Sas eyxaristw.

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