Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-03-24

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Aqhna, 24 Martioy 2005

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes to MEGA, to opoio MEGA exei th dynatothta na ekfrazei me poly egkyrothta kai tis dikes sas proqeseis kai endexomenws proqeseis allwn ypoyrgwn, metedwse sto kentriko deltio eidhsewn oti ypoballate thn paraithsh sas eseis kai alloi dyo ypoyrgoi poy emplekeste sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy. Para to gegonos oti oi dhmosiografoi epikoinwnhsan amesws mazi sas kai sas zhthsan na apanthsete, eseis meta apo arketh wra, mia peripoy wra kai perissotero, bgalate diaceysh. Paraithqhkate; To MEGA nomizw oti mporei na sas ekfrasei pio swsta. Ypociazomai oti to MEGA metedide swsta oti paraithqhkate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora sto poios ekfrazei tis dikes moy apoceis, proqeseis k.lp. peran emoy, den tis ekfrazei kanenas. Kata synepeia, to sxolio sas, to opoio einai ypainiktiko kai kakentrexes den to dexomai, to epistrefw.

BLAXOS: Einai, omws, mia pragmatikothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh edoqh deka lepta afotoy metadoqhke ayth h dhqen plhroforia, opws eipa. Dieceysqh h dhqen plhroforia kai den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero sta osa eipa xqes.

BLAXOS: Qewreite oti den yparxoyn eyqynes ypoyrgwn; Den prepei na yparxei mia eyqijia kai mia eyaisqhsia apo thn pleyra twn ypoyrgwn th stigmh malista poy o k. Karamanlhs feretai na eipe poy empleja kai th stigmh poy h kybernhsh kai h xwra apologeitai kai kindyneyei na mhn parei kondylia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, dielaqe ths prosoxhs sas oti sth diaceysh moy perilambanotan kai ayth h frash, thn opoia dhqen eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Dieceysqh kai ayth. Se o,ti afora sto prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas, o Prwqypoyrgos exei hdh apanthsei apo xqes to meshmeri.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Paylopoylos prin apo ligh wra ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy afhse na ennohqei oti den yparxei kamia proqesh, toylaxiston ek meroys toy, gia allagh toy nomoy, yposthrizontas xarakthristika oti h kybernhsh apedeije pws paramenei staqerh stis apoceis ths kai oti sthn E.E. opoy ginetai mia syzhthsh kerdizei ekeinos poy yperaspizetai me sqenos th qesh toy kai oxi ekeinoi poy krybontai kai siwpoyn, oi opoioi xanoyn. Thn idia, omws, stigmh o Ellhnas Epitropos sthn E.E. k. Dhmas yposthrije oti to qema toy basikoy metoxoy qa prepei na teqei stis swstes diastaseis toy kai na breqei mia nomikh lysh, h opoia qa sebetai kai to Syntagma kai parallhla na einai symbath me to koinotiko dikaio. Telika, ti apo ola isxyei; Yparxei proqesh gia allagh toy nomoy h o k. Paylopoylos, telika, protiqetai na ``pesei'' hrwika maxomenos, dhladh na paraithqei afoy epimeinei stis apoceis toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete balei polla kai diaforetika qemata sthn erwthsh sas kai qa elega oxi kai toso sxetika. Ekeino to opoio, apo thn prwth stigmh, kanei ayth h kybernhsh einai o,ti den ekane h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Yperaspizetai, dhladh, th diatajh toy Syntagmatos, h opoia me safhneia orizei oti prepei h politeia @h kybernhsh toy PASOK sthn arxh, h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias shmera- na labei ola ekeina ta aparaithta metra poy qa diasfalisoyn ayto poy qelei na diasfalisei o syntagmatikos nomoqeths. O agwnas einai agwnas yper ths diafaneias. Einai agwnas kata ths diaplokhs. O agwnas synexizetai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den moy apanthsate, omws. O k. Dhmas ypainixqhke allagh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete ypoballei, pleistakis, to idio erwthma se ayth thn aiqoysa kai exete parei thn idia, pantote, apanthsh. Paramenw sthn idia apanthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oti;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabaste ta briefing twn perasmenwn hmerwn.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla to shmerino, se synexeia ths erwthshs, skhniko kai klima einai teleiws diaforetiko apo o,ti htan prin apo mia ebdomada kai exei megalh shmasia na akoysoyme apo ta xeilh sas ean qa allajei o nomos h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H maxh synexizetai, opws sas eipa. Kai opws sas exw pei, epishs, polles fores, ayto to opoio fainetai, allwste, kai apo thn epistolh toy k. Mak Kribi -thn opoia h kybernhsh amesws molis thn elabe xqes, thn edwse sth dhmosiothta- einai h antiqesh, kyriws, ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me to arqro 14 paragrafos 9 toy Syntagmatos. Tiqetai, dhladh, en amfibolw h syntagmatikh ryqmish. Emeis, loipon, exoyme polles fores dhlwsei oti qa yperaspistoyme th syntagmatikh ryqmish. Xairomai poy se ayton ton agwna, ths yperaspishs toy Syntagmatos, exoyn syntaxqei ta dyo kommata ths Aristeras. Anarwtiemai giati den syntassetai to PASOK, to opoio einai ayto poy eishgage allwste ayth th ryqmish toy syntagmatikoy nomoqeth.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, lete oti yperaspizeste th diatajh toy Syntagmatos, qa hqela, loipon, na sas rwthsw pws yperaspizontai to Syntagma kai ton orko poy exoyn dwsei treis politikoi, treis ypoyrgoi, metajy aytwn ki eseis, otan stelnete mia epistolh sthn E.E. sthn opoia anaferete oti me to neo nomo peri basikoy metoxoy dinetai ofelos stis allodapes epixeirhseis enanti twn ellhnikwn. Kai otan lete oti mia jenh etaireia, h opoia drasthriopoieitai sthn Ellada, den qa efarmozei toys ellhnikoys nomoys, alla qa efarmozei toys nomoys ths xwras sthn opoia edreyei. Ayto einai yperaspish toy Syntagmatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai profanes oti par` oti oi ypoloipoi synadelfoi sas apokomizoyn thn entypwsh oti diabazete ena keimeno, parafrazete ena keimeno, xrhsimopoiwntas fraseis oi opoies den anaferontai.

BLAXOS: Na to diabasw oloklhro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, gnwrizw poly kala to keimeno ayto.

BLAXOS: Qa mas dwsete ayto to keimeno; Giati den mas to dinete na to doyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete apanthsh; Eimai sth diaqesh sas na perimenw oles tis erwthseis kai an qelete na tis apanthsw oles mazi.

BLAXOS: Na diabasw to keimeno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ypobalate mia erwthsh. Sas apantw loipon, ektos kai an h erwthsh ypoballetai mono gia logoys entypwsewn.

BLAXOS: Afhsate enan ypainigmo gia ton tropo poy diabazw. Na sas to diabasw, loipon, oloklhro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete mia isxy ws dhmosiografos na afhsete tis entypwseis sas kai tis apoceis sas alloy. Oxi edw. Edw, loipon, ypobalete mia erwthsh kai pairnete mia apanthsh. H apanthsh einai oti parafrasate ena keimeno kai oti h shmerinh kybernhsh yperaspizetai th syntagmatikh ryqmish, yperaspizetai thn isothta kai thn isonomia metajy olwn twn politwn, prwtistws twn Ellhnwn politwn kai metajy twn sxesewn poy prepei na yparxoyn se koinotikes h mh koinotikes etaireies. Sas qymizw oti oi koinotikes etaireies den einai jenes pros thn Ellada. H Ellada edw kai 25 xronia, an dielaqe ths prosoxhs sas, einai kratos melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ara, loipon, oi koinotikes etaireies einai kai ellhnikes, opws kai oi ellhnikes etaireies einai kai koinotikes.

BLAXOS: Ara, o k. Mak Kribi sthn epistolh poy sas esteile kai thn opoia mas dianeimate xqes, leei cemata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw tis ennoeite.

BLAXOS: O k. Mak Kribi, loipon, sthn epistolh poy exw sta xeria moy kai thn opoia diabazw gia na mhn afhsete ypainigmoys oti parafrazw, leei oti anaferate sthn epistolh, thn opoia toy steilate eseis oi treis ypoyrgoi, oti o nomos peri basikoy metoxoy ejasfalizei enan pio apotelesmatiko antagwnismo pros ofelos twn allodapwn epixeirhsewn, se sxesh me tis ellhnikes diasyndeomenes me epixeirhseis MME. H apanthsh sas @twn ypoyrgwn- epimenei sto gegonos oti h ypo krish nomoqesia , dhladh o basikos metoxos, den qetei periorismoys se epixeirhseis allwn kratwn-melwn, oi opoies kai ypokeintai ston eqniko nomo toy topoy egkatastashs toys. Se ayto to shmeio anaferetai oti ypoxrewsh onomastikopoihshs twn metoxwn, h opoia epiballetai se ellhnikes etaireies den epiballetai analogws kai stis koinotikes etaireies. Leei cemata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H onomastikopoihsh twn metoxwn einai kati poy problepetai sto nomo 3310/05. Profanws, den qymaste to nomo. Den exei, omws, kamia shmasia.

BLAXOS: O k. Mak Kribi ta leei, den ta lew egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia shmasia sth syzhthsh mas. O nomos 3310 epiballei me safhneia thn onomastikopoihsh. Perigrafei me safhneia sta arqra toy poies etaireies ypoxreoyntai se onomastikopoihsh, poies etaireies den ypoxreoyntai se onomastikopoihsh. Ayta einai safh, periexontai sto nomo, den xreiazetai na ta epanalaboyme. Mporeite na parete to nomo kai na ton diabasete. Kai qa deite ean perigrafetai h onomastikopoihsh twn koinotikwn etaireiwn, pws, se poio baqmo kai me poies diadikasies. Ayta einai pragmata poy ta leei o nomos. Den xreiazetai na moy diabazete mia epistolh, ermhneyontas ti einai ayta poy leei o nomos. O nomos einai jekaqaros.

BLAXOS: Na sas kanw mia pio aplh protash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti qelete.

BLAXOS: Giati, den mas dinete thn epistolh poy steilate ston k. Mak Kribi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poia apo oles, giati yparxei mia allhlografia triwn etwn.

BLAXOS: Ayth poy epikaleitai o k. Mak Kribi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa kriqei ean qa dwsw tis epistoles aytes poy exoyn stalei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, eite toy PASOK, eite ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn poreia. To qema, opws gnwrizete, den exei teleiwsei. Synexizetai. Ta erwthmata einai poly sygkekrimena kai jekaqara. Qeloyme na yperaspistoyme to Syntagma mas; Qeloyme na yperaspistoyme mia politikh yper ths diafaneias; Qeloyme na kanoyme ayto poy leei o syntagmatikos nomoqeths; Ti einai ayto poy leei o syntagmatikos nomoqeths; Poios to qymatai alhqeia; Mhpws o syntagmatikos nomoqeths leei oti opoios idiokthths MME qelhsei na exei kai symbash me to Dhmosio den mporei na prajei ayto, ean einai basikos metoxos sto MME. Mhpws, dhladh, o syntagmatikos nomoqeths hrqe na pei @me thn chfo toylaxiston twn dyo megalwn kommatwn- oti oi exontes metoxes se MME -se ena ikano pososto poy legetai basikoy metoxoy- den mporei na pairnoyn kai dhmosies symbaseis dioti h praktikh profanws apedeije epi seiran etwn oti mporoysan na ephreasoyn mesw twn MME kai ths dynamhs poy katexoyn ayta gia na paroyn tis dhmosies symbaseis. Ayto hrqe na pei o syntagmatikos nomoqeths. Kai ayto einai mia prwtoboylia poy yperchfisthke sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn, to 20001. Einai mia prwtoboylia h opoia den epidexetai peraiterw ermhneiwn. Ayto qelei na apokleisei o syntagmatikos nomoqeths. Eseis milate gia etaireies MME sto ejwteriko.

BLAXOS: Egw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To apospasma ths epistolhs poy moy diabasate. Den skefthke o syntagmatikos nomoqeths, oyte ton apasxoloyse ean kapoios exei MME sth Gallia, thn Agglia, th Germania, thn Italia kai erqei sthn Ellada gia na analabei dhmosia symbash. Giati, ayto poy skefthke tote o syntagmatikos nomoqeths kai yperchfisan ta dyo megala kommata htan opoios Ellhnas epixeirhmatias exei MME sthn katoxh toy, den mporei parallhla na pairnei kai dhmosies symbaseis, giati akribws den prepei na xrhsimopoiei to Meso kai thn isxy toy gia na piesei th dhmosia dioikhsh kai na parei symbaseis. Toso apla kai jekaqara.

BLAXOS: Epeidh eiste enas apo aytoys poy diamorfwsan to nomo peri basikoy metoxoy kai epeidh sto poly prosfato parelqon hsastan megalostelexos twn MME diaforwn epixeirhmatiwn poy eixan kai doyleies sto Dhmosio, qelw na sas rwthsw: Se olh ayth th diarkeia ths zwhs sas ws dhmosiografoy eixate piestei, sas eixan zhthsei oi ekdotes, oi epixeirhmaties na peite kati poy den htan symfwno me thn alhqeia, prokeimenoy na ejyphrethsoyn ta symferonta toys kai na paroyn doyleies sto Dhmosio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy exete janaqesei to idio erwthma kai sas exw apanthsei. Den blepw to logo, giati na sas apanthsw diaforetika.

BLAXOS: Den sas akoyw na apantate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O kaqenas, exei mia dikh toy aytonomh poreia, idiws otan einai se dhmosies doyleies @h dhmosiografia einai mia dhmosia doyleia- krinei kai krinetai. Doja tw Qew mikrh xwra eimaste, oloi gnwrizomaste ligo ews poly metajy mas.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, ypainisseste oti piesan kapoion allon synadelfo sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy qesate mia erwthsh kai sas apantw. Den ypainissomai tipote. Den xreiazetai na ypainixqw kati. Apantw eyqews sta erwthmata sas.

GARGALAKOS: H kybernhsh sas exei thn politikh boylhsh na anazhthsei koino topo me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh mas einai mia kybernhsh, h opoia yposthrizei tis koinotikes diadikasies, giati allwste einai ayto to komma poy enepleje thn Ellada sthn eyrwpaikh poreia. Qa htan, loipon, adianohto mia kybernhsh, h opoia pisteyei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, na mhn exei sth diaqesh ths ola ekeina ta opla poy xreiazontai, afenos men gia na symmetexei stis diadikasies kai afeteroy gia na prowqei tis dikes ths qeseis kai apoceis mesa apo ayth th symmetoxh. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh einai mia enwsh kratwn, sthn opoia yparxoyn diaforetikes apoceis, diaforetikoi politismoi, diaforetikes proseggiseis kai kaqenas prospaqei na peisei. Oi synainetikes diadikasies, loipon, einai to yp` ariqmon ena stoixeio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai yp` ayth thn ennoia h apanthsh einai qetikh.

GARGALAKOS: Tote, na eikasw oti efoson exete ayth thn politikh boylhsh kai efoson exete mpei hdh se mia diapragmateysh, oti kapote qa yparjei kapoios symbibasmos. Ara, giati toso poly fobaste na peite oti qa kanete allages sto nomo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akomh ki an shmera erxotan h kybernhsh na pei oti den isxyei aytos o nomos, mia ypoqetikh periptwsh pairnw, opoy epi ths oysias o nomos akoma den isxyei -isxyei apo ton Ioynio- den teleiwne to qema. Ayto prospaqw na ejhghsw epi polles hmeres twra. Kai den teleiwne, dioti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei proballei antirrhseis edw kai dyo xronia gia to Syntagma, gia to sygkekrimeno arqro toy Syntagmatos. Dhladh, shmera isxyei akomh o N. 3021 toy PASOK. O nomos aytos katargeitai me thn enarjh ths isxyos toy N.3310 ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai gi` ayton, opws qa deite sthn epistolh poy sas edwsa xqes to brady, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei ekfrasei epifylajeis. Apo ekei jekinhse tis epifylajeis ths, pantote epishmainontas se oles tis epistoles ths tis epifylajeis ths gia to Syntagma kai gia to nomo poy ekane to PASOK. Proseqese to nomo ths Neas Dhmokratias. To erwthma loipon ``ean allajei h tropopoihqei h katarghqei o nomos aytos'' einai ena erwthma to opoio den mpainei sthn oysia. H apanthsh mallon prepei na mpei sthn oysia. Kai h oysia den einai o enas nomos ths Neas Dhmokratias. O nomos ths Neas Dhmokratias einai poly pio aysthros. Exei kleisei ta paraqyra, ta opoia eixe afhsei o prohgoymenos nomos. Alla, h opoia allagh toy nomoy ths Neas Dhmokratias, den shmainei oti kat` anagkh teleiwse to qema. Eimaste, loipon, se diapragmateysh, se syzhthsh kai synexizoyme na eimaste. Otan kapoios einai se diapragmateysh @sas eipa kai prin apo liges hmeres edw- den apokalyptei ta opla toy.

GARGALAKOS: Safws. Ayto to dexomai. Exei kanei mia protash, an katalaba kala, o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Leei ``na kaqisete, h kybernhsh kai h antipoliteysh, sto idio trapezi, na koybentiasete, na breite ena nomo poy na einai symbatos me tis aitiaseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai na chfistei aytos o nomos apo th Boylh kai na teleiwnoyme me ayth thn ypoqesh''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia protash, thn opoia -sas qymizw- ekana prwtos prin apo polloys mhnes ston k. Papandreoy. Proteiname ws kybernhsh sto PASOK, efoson mas eipe genikws kai aoristws oti diafwnei me to diko mas nomo, na mas pei ti qelei na proteinei o k. Papandreoy kai to PASOK. Anti gia protaseis, akoysame mia genikologh kritikh sth Boylh. Epimeiname kai sthn Epitroph kai sthn Olomeleia, legontas ``exete olo to xroniko periqwrio na ferete dikes sas protaseis, diko sas nomo''. Ayth htan h xarakthristikh frash poy mporeite na th breite kai sta praktika. Thn exw pei polles fores. Den to ekanan. Shmera, loipon, ayth h protash toy k. Papandreoy fobamai oti ginetai gia entypwsiasmo. As mas pei prwta ap` ola kai as apanthsei jekaqara an yposthrizei to Syntagma poy chfise. To yposthrizei h den to yposthrizei. Yposthrizei to nomo toy PASOK gia to basiko metoxo, ton opoio chfise h den ton yposthrizei; Kai afoy mas apanthsei jekaqara, tote bebaiws mporoyme na mpoyme se mia diadikasia na katalaboyme ti einai ayto poy qelei to PASOK. Giati, o k. Papandreoy afhnei genikws kai aoristws na dioxeteyontai protaseis, epi ths oysias omws toy pragmatikoy problhmatos shmera, den pairnei qesh.

GARGALAKOS: To zhtoymeno den einai ti qelei h kybernhsh kai ti qelei to PASOK. To zhtoymeno, gia to kalo ths xwras, einai na breqei enas neos nomos poy na einai symbatos me to Koinotiko Dikaio kai na teleiwnoyme me ayth thn ypoqesh. Nomizw oti ayto prepei na einai to zhtoymeno. Exete th diaqesimothta toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto isxyei sto baqmo poy kapoios jexna oti h parathrhsh ths Komision jekina apo to Syntagma. Ean to jexasoyme ayto, isxyei o,ti lete eseis. Pws qa to jexasoyme;

GARGALAKOS: H Komision den qa exei problhma me to Syntagma, ean o efarmostikos nomos einai symbatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixe h den eixe antirrhseis h Komision gia to nomo toy PASOK, o opoios -oloi exete paradexqei h en pash periptwsei h pleiochfia- htan elastikoteros kai eixe polla paraqyra. Eixe h den eixe antirrhseis;

GARGALAKOS: Eixe, alla yphrxe diaqesimothta gia syzhthsh kai gia allages.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia basikh antiqesh se sxesh me to Syntagma mas. Tiqetai en amfibolw, dhladh, h syntagmatikh diatajh. Den einai qema enos nomoy, eite ths Neas Dhmokratias, eite toy PASOK. Einai alhqeia oti o nomos ths Neas Dhmokratias einai pio aysthros. Alla kai toy PASOK poy htan poly pio elastikos kai eixe polla paraqyra, eidate oti egine antikeimeno kritikhs apo thn Komision, h opoia epemeine oti den symfwnei me th syntagmatikh ryqmish. Ekei einai to yp` ariqmon ena zhthma. Prepei, loipon, me diadikasies poy ``epiballontai'' sthn koinwnikh, koinotikh logikh @kai h koinotikh logikh, opws sas eipa prohgoymenws, mila gia synaineseis- na breqei mia lysh. Gi` ayto emeis eimaste se diapragmateysh, enw to PASOK tote, ws kybernhsh, den htan se diapragmateysh kai gi` ayto prospaqoyme na dwsoyme thn kalyterh dynath lysh gia ton yp` ariqmon ena stoxo, oxi mono toy ellhnikoy Syntagmatos, alla kai ths idias ths Koinothtas, poy einai h diafaneia kai h katapolemhsh ths diafqoras. Pws qa yphrethqei aytos o stoxos; Ayto, loipon, eina to zhtoymeno kai h diadikasia ayth brisketai se ejelijh.

SIDERHS: Kanei entypwsh ayth h entonh, rwmalea, se eisagwgika h oxi, yperaspish toy Syntagmatos. Den exoyme ekxwrhsei tmhmata eqnikhs kyriarxias stis Bryjelles; Giati jafnika ayth h palindromhsh; To oti ekxwroyme tmhmata eqnikhs kyriarxias anaferetai kai sth syntaktikh synqhkh poy qa chfisete sth Boylh kai oxi me dhmochfisma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exoyme ekxwrhsei ta panta. Gia paradeigma, sto nomisma symfwnhsame oloi oti qa exoyme ena koino nomisma. Nai, einai ekxwrhsh enos kyriarxikoy soy dikaiwmatos. Anti na exeis esy th draxmh, exeis to eyrw. Alla, den ekxwreis ta panta. Gi` ayto kai kaqe xwra exei to diko ths Syntagma. Gi` ayto kai gia kaqe xwra -kai ayto einai kaqhmerinh diadikasia sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, mhn mas entypwsiazei epeidh to eidame twra emeis sthn Ellada- einai kaqhmerinh diadikasia h antiparaqesh idewn, apocewn, h prospaqeia epikrathshs, eite twn eqnikwn nomwn kai toy eqnikoy Syntagmatos, eite twn koinotikwn odhgiwn kai twn koinotikwn synqhkwn.

SIDERHS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti den milame gia edafh, milame gia emporikes praktikes basika. Alla, as to jeperasoyme. Giati den qa mporoyse h kybernhsh, den qewroyse eayton ikanh na katapolemhsei th diaplokh sthn phgh ths, ekei poy dinontai ta dhmosia erga. Den qa htan ayto pio prosforo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy lete einai mia monomerhs praktikh. Einai san na apodexetai kaneis oti h diafqora kai h diaplokh se ayto ton topo egine mono sta dhmosia erga. Ayto poy h kybernhsh hqele na antimetwpisei apo thn prwth stigmh -kai gi` ayto to elege kai proseqete oti den exei stoxo kanena sygkekrimeno epixeirhmatia- einai en synolw h diaplokh kai h diafqora, h opoia, dystyxws gia th xwra kai toys Ellhnes polites, katagrafetai se dieqneis ekqeseis megalwn organismwn poy asxoloyntai me to zhthma. Ara, loipon, ayto poy lete eseis anaferetai se ena kommati ths dhmosias Dioikhshs kai oxi sto synolo, to opoio prospaqei aytos o nomos na antimetwpisei. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, na eiste bebaioi oti ayth h kybernhsh den prokeitai na paradwsei ta opla ston agwna kata ths diaplokhs, kata ths diafqoras kai yper ths diafaneias.

SIDERHS: Qa htan oloi mazi sas, arkei na mhn pagwnan ta koinotika kondylia. Ayto einai to kyriarxo kai mas kanei na asxoloymaste oloi. Den einai oloi emplekomenoi. Oyte oi dhmosiografoi yperaspizontai th diaplokh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xairomai poy o logos einai aytos poy perigrafetai.

SIDERHS: Ayto kinhtopoihse polloys apo emas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto me ikanopoiei, anqrwpina kai politika. Den exei, omws, kamia idiaiterh ajia na to syzhtame edw. Na eiste bebaios oti ayth h kybernhsh exei gnwsh kai synaisqhsh toy ti einai eqniko symferon.

IWANNOY: Ti apantate politika sto epixeirhma toy PASOK oti, enw gnwrizate tis enstaseis kai gia to Syntagma kai gia ton prwto nomo poy to PASOK chfise, proxwrhsate se enan aysthrotero nomo; Poy pontarate oti mporei na mhn exoyme proskroyseis kai tribes me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, enw hdh eixame me ton prohgoymeno nomo; Rwtw, giati einai ena apo ta kyria epixeirhmata toy PASOK.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti exw apanthsei me emmeso, alla safh tropo. Dinoyme th maxh mas gia na thrhqei h syntagmatikh synqhkh. Kanoyme tis diapragmateyseis mas. Ayto ofeile na eixe kanei kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. To PASOK ti proteinei; Den mas exei pei ti proteinei. Proteinei na ypoxwrhsoyme; Na kanoyme pws den exoyme Syntagma; Na kanoyme pws den katalabame oti yparxei Syntagma; Na kanoyme pws den katalabame oti yparxei ena problhma me thn Komision; Ean ayto proteinei, sas leme oti ayto poy qa kanoyme einai na syzhthsoyme me thn Komision, opws syzhtame poly kairo twra, na synexisoyme tis diapragmateyseis poy den ekane to PASOK, ews otoy breqei mia oristikh lysh. Ean, loipon, to PASOK eixe arxisei aytes tis syzhthseis sto xrono poy jekinhsan oi antirrhseis ths Komision, isws na mhn eixame ftasei shmera ekei poy ftasame. Giati, opws ejhghsa, den einai qema toy nomoy ths Neas Dhmokratias. Einai en synolw to qema. Apla, to PASOK den ekane aytes tis syzhthseis kai akoloyqhse thn idia politikh. Afhse ola ta problhmata sto mellon, sthn epomenh kybernhsh. Kai den einai to prwto poy diaxeirizomaste.

PALAIOLOGOS: Meta thn ejelijh ayth poy parathrhqhke stis Bryjelles, aisqaneste eseis oi syntajantes to nomo gia to basiko metoxo, dhladh eseis, o k. Papalhgoyras kai o k. Paylopoylos, meta to qorybo poy exei jespasei sthn Ellada, oti exete erqei se pio dyskolh qesh h exete thn aisqhsh oti kapoioi sas yponomeyoyn endexomenws kai apo to eswteriko ths kybernhshs; Kapoioi malista na epiqymoyn kai tis paraithseis ypoyrgwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Molis proxqes sas eipa oti den blepw fantasmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh, den katalaba. Eyfyhs h apanthsh, alla den katalaba.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Skefteite thn ligo parapera.

BLAXOS: Ti einai ayto poy sas ekane na xarakthrisete kakentrexh thn prwth erwthsh moy kai ton ypainigmo. Ean hsastan enas aplos poliths kai briskosastan ston kanape toy spitioy sas kai blepate to MEGA, me o,ti periexei o ypainigmos moy, na leei oti oi treis ypoyrgoi, dhladh o k. Roysopoylos, o k. Paylopoylos kai o k. Papalhgoyras paraithqhkan. Den qa to pisteyate; Den exei egkyrothta me th synqesh toy panel ayto poy leei to MEGA; Giati einai kakentrexes ayto poy rwtw egw kai den einai dokimo na yparxei ayth h sxesh poy yparxei metajy sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

BLAXOS: Shmainei oti eiste se dyskolh qesh gia na apanthsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, k. Blaxo. Nomizw oti osoi akoyn kai katalabainoyn poly kala ti ennoeite, mallon mesa toys qa anarwtioyntai @

BLAXOS: Egw to qewrhsa dedomeno oti exete ypobalei thn paraithsh sas, otan akoysa to MEGA xqes, opws kai oloi oi synadelfoi@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati den lete kaqara ayto poy qelete na peite.

BLAXOS: Qewrw oti to MEGA exei th dynatothta na exei mia poly pio egkyrh plhroforhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia poio logo;

BLAXOS: Epeidh h paroysiastria einai syzygos sas. Einai profanes oti otan to MEGA leei oti paraiteitai o Roysopoylos qa sas exei rwthsei h syzygos sas. Den einai aplo ayto poy lew;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To na poinikopoieitai thn ergasia toy opoioydhpote@

BLAXOS: Egw poinikopoiw; Isa-isa, dinw egkyrothta. Kanete laqos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @.to na bazete ton opoiondhpote se logikes poy einai toy parelqontos, to na qewreite tis ergazomenes gynaikes profanws me logikes poy einai perasmenwn dekaetiwn, dhladh toy @30, toy @40, toy @50, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti einai laqos. Einai ena proswpiko sas politiko olisqhma kai den perimena apo esas na to kanete.

BLAXOS: Den eimai politikos, eimai dhmosiografos. Kai otan me rwthsan xqes, ean alhqeyei to qema ths paraithshs, eipa sto kanali poy doyleyw: Egw den exw th dynatothta na milhsw me ton k. Roysopoylo ayth th stigmh. Gia na to leei to MEGA , kati perissotero qa jerei apo oloys emas. Nomizw oti kai alloi synadelfoi otan akoysan to MEGA eipan oti einai profanes oti qa htan kai diastayrwmeno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, breite ta kanalia metajy sas tis antiparaqeseis. Mhn me emplekete emena. Deyteron, opws diapistwsate, loipon, h plhroforia poy metadoqhke apo to kanali poy anaferate einai pantelws anakribhs. Ara, loipon, olos o syllogismos sas einai ewlos, katafanws laqos kai den xreiazetai peraiterw sxoliasmo.

GARGALAKOS: Akoysa enan kybernhtiko boyleyth, ton k. Manwlh na leei oti se ayth th maxh yper toy basikoy metoxoy h kybernhsh mporei na ftasei kai mexri eklogwn. Eseis yioqeteite tetoies apoceis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei proqesh na pame se ekloges. O ellhnikos laos exei yioqethsei, sthn syntriptikh toy pleiochfia, th maxh kata ths diaplokhs. Den teleiwnei h maxh kata ths diaplokhs. Oso einai kybernhsh h Nea Dhmokratia kai Prwqypoyrgos o Kwstas Karamanlhs, me ton alfa h bhta tropo, nomimws pantote, ayth h maxh qa didetai kai qa kerdizetai. Giati ayto qeloyn oi Ellhnes polites kai to perimenan xronia.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo trihmero.

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