Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-03-22

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Aqhna, 22 Martioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai katanohto oti h kybernhsh pernaei thn antiimperialistikh ths fash, alla qelw na rwthsw poso qa trabhjei ayto ean mas pane sto Eyrwdikasthrio kai endiamesws pagwsoyn ta kondylia;

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy prokyptei ayto;

SIDERHS: Apo tis dhlwseis ths k. Xoympner kai apo toys antapokrites stis Bryjelles.

ANTWNAROS: Pote ekane h k. Xoympner tis dhlwseis;

SIDERHS: Tis exoyme diabasei.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxoyn tetoies dhlwseis.

SIDERHS: Yparxoyn skeceis.

ANTWNAROS: Se skeceis den topoqetoymai.

BLAXOS: Prosejte, k. Ekproswpe, giati kai sto prosfato parelqon eixate ekteqei me diafores tetoies dhlwseis kai diaceysthkate mesa sta epomena 24wra kai malista apo ta idia ta kybernhtika stelexh. Etsi kai alliws, omws, emeis oi dhmosiografoi -giati ayth th doyleia paramenoyme na kanoyme- exoyme brei to sxedio ths Komision, to opoio exei hdh bgei sta ellhnika kanalia. Ypociazomai oti san Ekproswpos to exete plhroforhqei ki eseis, exete parakoloyqhsei ta kanalia.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw kanena tetoio sxedio.

BLAXOS: Den blepete thleorash;

ANTWNAROS: Exete erwthsh na moy kanete;

BLAXOS: Yparxoyn, loipon, plhrofories oti ayth th stigmh erxetai h epistolh apo thn Komision kai oti ana pasa stigmh qa mporoyn na yparjoyn asfalistika metra apo thn Komision gia th mh efarmogh toy nomoy, enw qa einai sth diakritikh eyxereia ths Epitropoy gia thn Perifereiakh Anaptyjh na kocei amesws, opote krinei, ta koinotika kondylia pros th xwra mas. H kybernhsh ti qa kanei gia na yposthrijei ta symferonta twn politwn;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh to prwto poy exei na kanei einai na perimenei tis apofaseis toy Kolegioy twn Epitropwn, to opoio -epeidh eipate oti erxetai h epistolh- synedriazei akomh, symfwna me tis plhrofories poy exw. As perimenoyme, loipon, th lhjh ayths ths synedriashs kai meta blepoyme.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den sas anhsyxei to gegonos oti opws to dhlwse rhta kai kathgorhmatika, xqes, o armodios Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos oti parathrhqhke diastash apocewn sth synanthsh poy eixe me ton k. Mak Kribi, ton armodio Epitropo, kaqws kai to gegonos oti opws o idios dia toy ekproswpoy toy afhse na diarreysei qa kinhsei thn prodikastikh diadikasia se baros ths Elladas;

ANTWNAROS: Poios, o k. Paylopoylos;

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, o k. Paylopoylos milhse gia diastash apocewn. O k. Mak Kribi dia toy ekproswpoy toy eipe oti qa energopoihsei thn prodikastikh diadikasia, kati poy shmainei oti qa yparjei proeidopoihtikh epistolh.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den einai h prwth fora poy mia kybernhsh brisketai se diastash apocewn me thn Komision. Opoios parakoloyqei ta eyrwpaika qemata gnwrizei oti aytoy toy eidoys diafwnies, diaforetikes topoqethseis h diaforetikes qewrhseis yparxoyn. Qa moy epitrecete, gia mia akomh fora, na sas pw oti ekeino poy metra einai na perimenoyme -epeidh moy lete ti dierreyse mesw toy ekproswpoy toy Mak Kribi h diaforoi alloi- thn apofash toy Kolegioy twn Epitropwn. To Kolegio, ej oswn gnwrizw, synedriazei shmera. As perimenoyme ti qa apofasisei. Se ypoqetika erwthmata den protiqemai na dwsw ypoqetikes apanthseis.

SARANTAKOS: Exw dyo erwthseis: H prwth einai an exete eikona, an o k. Paylopoylos xqes sth synanthsh toy me ton k. Mak Kribi proskomise kapoia nea stoixeia h aplws epanelabe tis ejhghseis poy eixan dwsei oi treis ypoyrgoi ston koinotiko ypallhlo k. Saoymp kai alloi ypoyrgoi ston k. Mak Kribi;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Paylopoylos, opws kai o idios eipe kai se ayto den exw na prosqesw tipote allo, paroysiase thn epixeirhmatologia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai ths Elladas.

SARANTAKOS: Thn janaparoysiase, fantazomai, giati thn eixame@

ANTWNAROS: Paroysiase thn epixeirhmatologia. An ekrine oti eprepe na epejhghsei perissotera pragmata, asfalws qa to epraje. Opws exw pei epaneilhmmenws einai eparkestatos kai dieqnws anagnwrismenos nomomaqhs peran apo ths idiothtas toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs. Synepws exw thn apolyth pepoiqhsh oti me apolyth eparkeia kai peistikothta paroysiase tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

SARANTAKOS: O anagnwrismenos nomomaqhs opws, kat` epanalhch, exete xarakthrisei ton k. Paylopoylo, sthn arxh elege oti to koinotiko dikaio den yperisxyei toy eqnikoy dikaioy kai toy Syntagmatos, kati poy eixan mia allh apoch o k. Dhmas kai alloi ypoyrgoi. Meta o k. Paylopoylos eixe pei oti den yparxei qema mh symbatothtas toy nomoy, kati to opoio ki eseis kai o k. Roysopoylos exete epanalabei se ayth thn aiqoysa. Ayta fainetai na mhn epalhqeyontai. Kai janarwtw, se ayth thn aiqoysa, yparxei qema politikwn eyqynwn gia kapoioys apo toys ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei h safhs apoch ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs: Prepei na perifroyrhsoyme kai na yperaspistoyme mexri teloys to Syntagma ths Elladas. Emeis, antiqeta me alloys, den qa egkataleicoyme ayth thn prospaqeia, opws den qa egkataleicoyme thn prospaqeia gia proaspish ths diafaneias, h opoia gia mas einai adiapragmateyth.

GKOYTZANHS: Mias kai milate synexeia gia to Syntagma, egw qa thn janaqesw thn erwthsh, k. Ekproswpe: Ton apokleismo twn syggenikwn proswpwn thn epiballei to Syntagma h o dikos sas nomos;

ANTWNAROS: Sthn epistolh toy o k. Saoymp, stis 17 Dekembrioy 2004, dhladh prin katateqei o prosfatos nomos sth Boylh, sth deyterh paragrafo anaferei epi lejei: ``Oi yphresies ths Epitrophs eixan ej arxhs episthsei thn prosoxh twn eqnikwn armodiwn arxwn sta problhmata poy dhmioyrgei apo apocews koinotikoy dikaioy to isxyon nomoqetiko plaisio sthn Ellada, dhladh toso to arqro 14 paragrafos 9 toy Syntagmatos, oso kai o ektelestikos nomos 3021 toy 2002''. Ayto apodeiknyei, gia mia akomh fora, peritrana kai peran oiasdhpote amfisbhthshs oti sto epikentro ths kritikhs, poy askei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, brisketai to sygkekrimeno arqro toy Syntagmatos.

GKOYTZANHS: Tote, k. Ekproswpe, enw gnwrizate oti yphrxe hdh problhma me ton prwto ektelestiko nomo me thn E.E., ferate enan pio aysthro, pio sklhro ektelestiko nomo; Den perimenate na yparjoyn kai perissotero entones antidraseis apo thn pleyra ths E.E.;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis ejakoloyqoyme na pisteyoyme oti to ellhniko Syntagma, h ypertath nomikh ryqmish poy yparxei sth xwra mas kai thn opoia prepei na sthrijoyme, einai apolytws symbath me to koinotiko dikaio. Emeis den kanoyme dekta osa leei o k. Saoymp. Aplws, opws sas anegnwsa, o k. Saoymp, prin kan katateqei o teleytaios ektelestikos nomos, eixe gia trith h tetarth fora, den qymamai akribws, apo thn pleyra ths Komision ekfrasei tis epifylajeis toy. Den shmainei oti h ellhnikh politeia stamata na nomoqetei, epeidh h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ekfrazei epifylajeis. Den leitoyrgoyn etsi oi sxeseis twn kratwn-melwn me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Ma eseis lete synexeia oti h Nea Dhmokratia einai eyrwpaiko komma, to kat` ejoxhn eyrwpaiko komma, poy anoije toys eyrwpaikoys dromoys k.tl. Ma edw exete ftasei se mia sygkroysh me thn E.E., protassontas to eqniko Syntagma kai to eqniko symferon. Yparxei mia dysarmonia.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakaloysa na cajete kai na deite poses tetoies diafwnies kai antegklhseis exoyn oi palaies xwres, ekeines poy apotelesan ton kormo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Den shmainei oti me antegklhseis h diaforopoihseis stis apoceis, h kybernhsh h h xwra mas symperiferetai me antieyrwpaiko tropo. Se kamia periptwsh. Etsi leitoyrgei h Koinothta.

PALAIOLOGOS: Peran toy gegonotos oti o k. Mak Gkribi h o k. Saoymp qewroyn oti to sygkekrimeno edafio toy Syntagmatos den synadei me to Koinotiko Dikaio, yparxoyn kai oi antidraseis apo to perirreon periballon. Dhladh, to gegonos oti oi epixeirhseis opws einai h IMB h opws einai h SBS h opoia exei prosfygei dia toy nomikoy ekproswpoy ths sta armodia organa ths Koinothtas, shmainei oti ayto qa prepei na sas balei ws kybernhshs se kapoio problhmatismo, oti kati den paei kala telika me to sygkekrimeno nomo poy exete ferei eseis kai oti qa prepei, telos pantwn, na probeite se allages, oytws wste na mporesete na prosarmosteite se ayta poy epitassei to Koinotiko Dikaio.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh to zhtoyn mia h dyo etairies;

PALAIOLOGOS: Den lambanei ypoch ths h kybernhsh ta aithmata epixeirhmatiwn; Den endiaferetai gia thn proselkysh ependysewn;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakalesw na mh genikeyete, giati den prokeitai na sxoliasw thn epistolh kamias etairias. Einai sebasth h epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta. Ekeino, omws, to opoio proexei, einai na sebomaste to Syntagma kai thn ennomh tajh. Ayth einai h ypoxrewsh poy exei h kybernhsh kai prepei na exoyn ola ta politika kommata kai oloi oi polites ayths ths xwras.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epikaloymai thn koinh, aplh logikh sas, san aplos anqrwpos kai oxi san Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos se ayth thn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla ypotiqetai den exete egkataleicei thn aplh, koinh logikh sas, ektos an o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos den exei aplh, koinh logikh. Egw rwtw: Apaiteite apo thn IMB na dwsei to onomatepwnymo 2.500.000 ependytwn poy exoyn metoxes ths etairias sto Xrhmatisthrio ths Neas Yorkhs, gia na mporesoyn etsi na paroyn mia doyleia me to Dhmosio h qa pame na ginoyme tritokosmikh xwra;

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada den exei anagkh na apodeijei se kanenan oti den einai tritokosmikh xwra. H Ellada einai mia sygxronh eyrwpaikh xwra, kati to opoio anagnwrizetai dieqnws. Oi polites ths aisqanontai Eyrwpaioi. Den prokeitai se kamia periptwsh na ypeiselqw stis leptomereies ths erwthshs poy moy qesate. Apanthsa prohgoymenws gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

BLAXOS: Den sas symferei na mpeite s` ayth thn apanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote allo ep` aytoy.

BLAXOS: Ayto deixnei adynamia apanthshs, pantws, apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Einai anafaireto dikaiwma sas na kanete tis ermhneies poy qelete.

BLAXOS: Kai eseis, otan kanete apomagnhtofwnhsh toy briefing, na emperiexontai oles oi erwto-apanthseis.

ANTWNAROS: Emperiexontai panta, kyrie Blaxo.

BLAXOS: Den einai oles, panta.

ANTWNAROS: Mporw na dianohqw pote na diagracw kati poy eipate eidika eseis;

PAPAGIANNHS: Qa hqela na kanw mia erwthsh me dyo skelh: H mia afora to basiko metoxo. Mas lete oti den tiqetai qema allagwn, wstoso, shmera o k. Liaphs se prwinh ekpomph sto MEGA, alla kai alloi ypoyrgoi kata th diarkeia ths teleytaias ebdomadas, eqesan to zhthma epitaktika kai zhthsan allages sto nomo gia to basiko metoxo.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa kai sthn arxh ths shmerinhs synanthshs mas oti h kybernhsh qa perimenei tis apofaseis toy Kolegioy twn Epitropwn kai sth synexeia qa topoqethqei. Ekeino to opoio sas lew -kai na eiste sigoyroi oti qa ginei- einai oti h shmerinh kybernhsh qa yperaspistei to Syntagma, thn ennomh tajh kai to eqniko symferon.

PAPAGIANNHS: H deyterh erwthsh: Mporeite sas parakalw na moy ejhghsete gia poio logo o Prwqypoyrgos sth synanthsh poy eixe me ton Gkerxarnt Srenter den antedrase otan akoyse apo ton Germano Kagkelario na onomazei ta Skopia ws ``Makedonia''; Kai peite moy, epishs, dyo koybentes ti synebh akribws me th metafrash.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai ayto sto opoio katelhje o k. Srenter. Dhladh oti h xwra toy anagnwrizei th sygkekrimenh xwra me to onoma poy einai dieqnws, basei twn apofasewn toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, anagnwrismenh. Se polles eyrwpaikes xwres, opws qa gnwrizete kai poy asfalws exete empeiria, gia logoys syntomologias kai mono, anaferoyn th lejh poy eipate.

BLAXOS: Syntomologia;

ANTWNAROS: H lejh ``Makedonia''.Den exw kamia dyskolia na to pw.

BLAXOS: To FYROM einai mikrotero.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai oti, o Prwqypoyrgos, se sxetikh erwthsh poy toy teqhke, apanthse me safhneia kai sthn apanthsh toy sygkateneyse kai o k. Srenter. Ayto exei shmasia.

PAPAGIANNHS: Telika ti synebh me to qema ths metafrashs;

ANTWNAROS: Yphrje pragmati mia mikrh kaqysterhsh sthn arxh. H kyria h opoia eixe epifortistei me th diermhneia kaqysterhse na proselqei sto xwro, dipla ston Kagkelario kai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ayto htan mia oligwria ths stigmhs, h opoia bebaiws apokatastaqhke. Estw kai me ligh kaqysterhsh metefrase ena meros ths synenteyjhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos ekane tis dhlwseis toy sth germanikh glwssa;

ANTWNAROS: Kamia fora, otan o Prwqypoyrgos kanei dhlwseis sth glwssa ths xwras poy ton filojenei einai mia ekdhlwsh eygeneias pros th xwra ayth. Den eimaste kai emeis kolakeymenoi, kai to leme polles fores, oti erxontai jenoi poy miloyn liga Ellhnika kai ta xrhsimopoioyn dhmosia;

LEONTITSH: Sxetika me to basiko metoxo, plhrofories apo tis Bryjeles anaferoyn oti apo th stigmh poy jekinaei h prodikastikh diadikasia o nomos tiqetai se anastolh. Ayto kata thn kybernhsh mhpws shmainei de facto katarghsh toy nomoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia tetoia plhroforia opws ayth poy metaferete. Den prokyptei apo poyqena. Qa perimenoyme na doyme.

LEONTITSH: Prin jekinhsoyn oi prodikastikes diadikasies o nomos den tiqetai se efarmogh;

ANTWNAROS: Mh biazeste. Oi diadikasies sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh einai gia oloys emas poy asxoloymaste xronobores, makras diarkeias. Aytes oi diadikasies profanws qa akoloyqhqoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: Trefei akoma elpides h kybernhsh oti den qa jekinhsei prodikastikh diadikasia;

ANTWNAROS: Me rwtate kai pali ypoqetika. Perimenw thn apofash toy Kolegioy.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa to pw ligo diaforetika. Shmera bgainei h apofash toy Kolegioy. H kybernhsh exei skeftei enallaktikes periptwseis etsi wste na organwsei kai antistoixa tis politikes ths prokeimenoy na diasfalisei, oxi aplws to eqniko Syntagma, alla kai ta eyrwpaika kondylia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti se ypoqetikes erwthseis, epeidh ferate pali thn syzhthsh sta eyrwpaika kondylia, den apantw. Den prokyptei ayto apo poyqena. Einai parafilologia.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh blepoyme ton k. Paylopoylo na dinei tis maxes stis Bryjeles, einai o ypeyqynos Ypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio to eixe ypogracei olo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Ston k. Paylopoylo, o opoios den prepei na lhsmonhqei oti einai o prwtos th tajei Ypoyrgos, exei anateqei logw twn eidikwn gnwsewn toy na exei aytes tis epafes, na kanei aytes tis synomilies kai na topoqeteitai. Poy briskete to parajeno;

BLAXOS: O ypeyqynos poios einai;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

BLAXOS: Lete oti ston k. Paylopoylo exei anateqei logw eidikwn gnwsewn. Rwtame poios einai ypeyqynos.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete treis Ypoyrgoi eishgagan to nomosxedio sth Boylh.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti gia thn IBM den qa allajoyme toys nomoys kai dikio exete, den eimaste ``mpanania''. Apo thn allh omws yparxei ena praktiko problhma oti den einai mono ta 2,5 ekatommyria metoxoi poy eipe o synadelfos, alla oti o kaqe metoxos einai ena kefalaio, ena asfalistiko tameio ki etsi oi apwtatoi metoxoi ginontai kapoia ekatontades ekatommyria. Einai logiko na perimenete na maqete oloys aytoys toys metoxoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio sxetika me tis ryqmiseis toy nomoy.

SIDERHS: Asxeta me th sygkekrimenh etaireia, to ependytiko klima se mia epoxh isxnwn ageladwn den sas problhmatizei;

ANTWNAROS: As perimenoyme na doyme pws qa ejelixqei to ependytiko klima.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ektos olwn twn allwn poy erwthqhkate, exqes egine kai h perifhmh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Erntogan. Dierwtwmai an h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh ap` osa elexqhsan apo ton k. Erntogan oson afora to Kypriako, thn anagnwrish ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias kai ta ellhnotoyrkika.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei staqerh qesh thn opoia xqes, tonise kai dieykrinise se dyo eykairies o Prwqypoyrgos. H Toyrkia sthn poreia poy qelei na akoloyqhsei pros thn Eyrwph, exei analabei th desmeysh kai thn ypoxrewsh na ypogracei egkairws to legomeno Prwtokollo ths Agkyras, poy epekteinei thn telwneiakh enwsh pros tis deka kainoyries xwres poy eginan perysi melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Stis xwres aytes perilambanetai kai h Kypros. Einai safes oti perimenoyme apo thn Toyrkia na proxwrhsei se ayto to bhma poy einai, opws gnwrizete, proypoqesh gia thn enarjh twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayta poy eipe o k. Erntogan einai pisteyta; Egine pisteytos o k. Erntogan;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh topoqeteitai. Akoyei ayta poy lene oi synomilhtes ths kai den exei logo, mexri na epelqei h na mhn epelqei ekeino poy exei anakoinwqei, na amfisbhthsei osa legontai.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa qesw ypoqetikh erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa sas apanthsw.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa thn qesw. An mexri tis 3 Oktwbrioy poy exei analabei ypoxrewsh apo thn Synodo Koryfhs twn Bryjelwn, h Toyrkia den anagnwrisei thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia, einai h wra poy prepei na mpei to beto eite apo thn Ellada, eite apo thn Kypro;

ANTWNAROS: O Kagkelarios Srenter xqes eipe oti perimenoyn oi xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs na ypogracei h Toyrkia to sygkekrimeno prwtokollo. Ayto den einai aithma ths Ellados, oyte kati poy exei zhthsei mono h Ellada. Den einai kati gia to opoio exei desmeyqei h Toyrkia enanti ths Ellados. Exei desmeytei enanti ths Ellados kai twn ypoloipwn eikosi tessarwn allwn kratwn-melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Synepws oi eikosi pente synolika xwres, stis opoies perilambanontai kai h Ellada kai h Kypros, perimenoyn apo thn Toyrkia na antapokriqei stis desmeyseis ths. Ayto einai to shmantiko kai to apofasistiko.

BLAXOS: Mia aporia perissotero para erwthsh. Pws einai dynaton o ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos na trwei me ton toyrko omologo toy otan liges wres prin ta toyrkika aeroskafh alwnizan to Aigaio; O k. Sphliwtopoylos h kapoios allos armodios enhmerwsan nwritera ton k. Karamanlh gi` ayto poy synebh sto Aigaio; Yphrje problhmatismos metajy twn symboylwn toy k. Karamanlh kai toy idioy, mhpws den qa eprepe na paei sto deipno;

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei ti eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, meta th synanthsh toy me ton k. Erntogan. O Prwqypoyrgos, anaferomenos metajy twn allwn kai s` ayto poy ypainisseste, eipe: ``Ejefrasa th qesh ths Ellados oti orismenes drasthriothtes sto Aigaio den synadoyn me tis sxeseis kalhs geitonias poy problepontai apo tis Eyrwpaikes ypoqeseis''. Einai mia periektikh frash poy ta leei ola.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes htan na ginei mia epishmh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Toyrkias kai parathreitai ena orgio parabiasewn kai parabasewn apo ta toyrkika aeroskafh, poy opws lene oi plhrofories mono panw apo thn Aqhna den eftasan. Den anhsyxei h kybernhsh gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, h ellhnikh politeia kanei o,ti einai aparaithto wste na mhn epitrecei na yparxei h paramikrh amfisbhthsh sta kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths. H ellhnikh polemikh aeroporia anagnwrizei opote xreiazetai, ola ta ixnh twn aeroskafwn, poy eite parabiazoyn ton eqniko enaerio xwro, eite parabainoyn toys dieqneis kai eqnikoys kanones enaerias kykloforias kai anaxaitizei ayta ta aeroskafh. Den qa epitrecoyme se kanenan na amfisbhthsei ta eqnika kyriarxika dikaiwmata mas kai ton eqniko enaerio xwro.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos etrwge mazi toy.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den exw na pw tipote allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Plhroforhqhka oti prin apo ligo se anakoinwsh ths thn opoia eixe anaparagagei gia na diabastei kai sta sxoleia, h Iera Synodos ypo ton k. Xristodoylo, yposthrije kai anarwthqhke en ocei ths epeteioy ths Paliggenesias an oi agwnistes toy `21 polemhsan gia mia Ellada qrhskeytika apoxrwmatismenh kai politistika anqellhnismenh kai tonise oti tote akomh kai oi agwnistes edinan ton orko sthn Agia Triada. H aporia moy einai h ejhs: Prepei na dinoyme ton orko sthn Agia Triada gia na mhn kindyneyoyme na kathgorhqoyme oti eimaste qrhskeytika apoxrwmatismenoi kai politistika anqellhnismenoi;

ANTWNAROS: Poy;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ennow me aformh to sxolio ths anakoinwshs ths Ieras Synodoy.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh. Qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw kai argotera h ayrio na sas apanthsw.

SIDERHS: Na mas peite kai an diabasthke sta sxoleia.

IWANNOY: Pisteyei h kybernhsh, exei kapoies endeijeis, oti o k. Kwnstantopoylos me aformh ta teleytaia gegonota dexetai polemo apo parekklhsistika h mallon apo ekklhsiastika kentra me aformh tis qeseis poy exei ekfrasei kata kairoys sto qema ths ekklhsias kai ayto empodise thn anarrixhsh toy sto ajiwma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia senaria ta opoia den mporw na parakoloyqhsw.

PAPAGIANNHS: Dhladh, den apodokimazete to gegonos oti to dhmosieyma aforoyse thn proswpikh zwh toy;

ANTWNAROS: Gia poio pragma;

PAPAGIANNHS: Rwthse kati h k. Iwannoy.

ANTWNAROS: H k. Iwannoy me rwthse gia kati entelws diaforetiko.

PAPAGIANNHS: Na sas rwthsw, loipon, kati diaforetiko: Oson afora ton k. Kwnstantopoylo, symfwneite h diafwneite me ta dhmosieymata poy aforoyn thn proswpikh zwh toy;

ANTWNAROS: Ola ta dhmosieymata poy qigoyn thn idiwtikh sfaira opoioydhpote anqrwpoy einai katadikastea.

IWANNOY: Pisteyei h kybernhsh, exei endeijeis, oti dexqhke polemo o k. Kwnstantopoylos;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na asxolhqw me tetoia fantastika senaria synomwsiologias.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean katalaba kala h erwthsh ths synadelfoy einai oti o k. Kwnstantopoylos leei pws dexetai epiqesh.

ANTWNAROS: Opoiosdhpote dexetai h aisqanetai epiqeseis exei to dikaiwma na to kataggeilei dhmosia. Ti perimenete apo emena, ws kybernhtiko ekproswpo, na pw; Den kathgorhse, ep` aytoy, kaneis thn kybernhsh. Den exw ypoch moy kathgoria, h opoia na kateyqynetai pros thn pleyra ths kybernhshs.

GKOYTZANHS: Kamia antirrhsh. Gia na diasafhnizoyme oti einai allo ta dhmosieymata kai allo ayto poy leei o k. Kwnstantopoylos, na mhn yparjei parejhghsh ekei.

BLAXOS: Proeklogika, ean qymamai kala, o k. Karamanlhs kai to synolo ths Neas Dhmokratias kathgoroysan thn kybernhsh toy PASOK gia thn akribeia kai th foromphxtikh politikh. Nomizw oti briskomaste mprosta se kyma akribeias kai anatimhsewn kai se ena kyma -poy paradexontai kai oi oikonomikoi Ypoyrgoi- newn forologikwn barwn.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy sas prokyptei ayto;

BLAXOS: Apo poy prokyptei; O k. Doykas xqes eipe oti qa mpei foros sta tsigara, sta pota, foros apo edw, apo ekei, akribeia. Den phgainete sto super market na cwnisete;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw ti sas eipe dhqen o k. Doykas kai an ta eipe ayta o k. Doykas. Ekeino poy jerw einai oti thn oikonomikh politikh, ayqentika thn paroysiazei o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfhs.

BLAXOS: Yparxei akribeia;

ANTWNAROS: H akribeia katagrafetai stis ejelijeis toy timariqmoy. Kalo einai na melethsei kaneis ta epishma stoixeia.

BLAXOS: O k. Sioyfas exei pei oti yparxei akribeia. Eseis lete diaforetiko pragma;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa opws ekrina o,ti qelw na apanthsw.

BLAXOS: Kai oi foroi poy akoygontai se pota, tsigara, ara den qa mpoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Thn oikonomikh politikh sto synolo ths thn paroysiazei ayqentika kai me eyqynh o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite se ekeinon.

GKOYTZANHS: Jerete poio einai to qema; Oti se dyo ebdomades poy qa epiblhqoyn oi ayjhseis sta tsigara qa fanei oti thn ayqentikh politikh thn ekfrazei o k. Doykas kai oxi o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Mhpws h oikonomikh politikh qa arxisei na einai ligotero hpia;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa akribws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph ths Neas Dhmokratias to Sabbato. Exoyn perasei treis hmeres kai tipota den exei allajei. Ekeino poy metraei kai exei megalh shmasia einai oti o fetinos proypologismos prepei na efarmostei kai qa efarmostei me akribeia kai xwris parekkliseis.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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