Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-11-05

Greek Government Press Briefings in ASCII Greek Directory - Previous Article - Next Article

From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 5 Noembrioy 2004

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas rwthsw poies qa einai oi epomenes kinhseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Meta tis ejelijeis qa askhsei diplo veto sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, to NATO;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh den metaballei kaqoloy th symperifora ths. Qa ejakoloyqhsei, me th diadikasia poy isxyei, sta plaisia twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, thn prospaqeia gia ejeyresh mias amoibaia apodekths lyshs sto qema toy onomatos.

Sto sygkekrimeno qema, to opoio qijate, qa hqela na pw to ejhs: Einai gnwsto oti h entajh mias eyrwpaikhs xwras sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai sto NATO apaitei omofwnia apo ta hdh yparxonta melh. Kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh den qa symprajei se mia tetoia apofash, efoson den exei prohghqei symfwnhmenh kai amoibaia apodekth lysh.

SOYGLERHS: H efhmerida ``TO BHMA'' egrace oti o Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, k. Papandreoy, prin apo liges meres se mia filikh synanthsh me dhmosiografoys, anefere oti to qema to gnwrize. Enhmerwqhke h ellhnikh kybernhsh gi` ayth th qesh toy k. Papandreoy;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh parakoloyqoyse poly stena ta gegonota kai oles tis endeijeis poy yphrxan, opws sas eipe xqes o k. Koymoytakos. Enhmerwsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema apo ton k. Papandreoy den eixe. Kala qa kanei, synepws, o k. Papandreoy kai to PASOK na anarwthqoyn ti pareleican na kanoyn oi idioi, wste na ftasoyme sth shmerinh dysaresth katastash.

SIDERHS: Bebaia, kalo qa htan na mas peite ti paraleicate ki eseis na kanete;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh kai eidika o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Molybiaths ekanan oloys ekeinoys toys xeirismoys poy apaitoyntai, kai malista egkaira, wste na diasfalistoyn ta eqnika symferonta.

SIDERHS: Qa mas anaferete aytoys toys xeirismoys;

ANTWNAROS: Enas-enas oi diplwmatikoi xeirismoi den analyontai se aiqoysa enhmerwshs.

GKOYTZANHS: To idio leei kai to PASOK, k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Egw omilw ek meroys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, thn opoia kai ekproswpw.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas peite poies einai oi 130 xwres poy anefere xqes o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos poy exoyn anagnwrisei thn ``Makedonia'';

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ayth th stigmh ton katalogo twn xwrwn.

SIDERHS: Ep` aytoy epimenete oti einai 130 xwres;

ANTWNAROS: Den teleiwsa thn apanthsh moy. @Hqela na sas pw oti se enhmerwsh poy yphrxe apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, profanws pareisefrhse kata th metadosh ena sfalma. Anaferqhkan 130 xwres, oi opoies eixan anagnwrisei th geitonikh xwra, kata th diarkeia ths prohgoymenhs dekaetias. Ej aytwn, 60 thn anagnwrisan me to onoma ``Makedonia'' kai peripoy 70 me to onoma PGDM. Einai ena sfalma to opoio egine kai diorqwnw twra.

GKOYTZANHS: H Rwsia einai mesa se aytes, k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Ep@ aytoy, ejedoqh xqes diorqwtikh anakoinwsh.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa enhmerwsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh toys politikoys Arxhgoys kai pote;

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete toys politikoys Arxhgoys toys enhmerwse hdh xqes thlefwnika o k. Molybiaths.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: To qema qa ftasei sth Boylh; O arxhgos toy PASOK xqes zhthse na ftasei sth Boylh; H kybernhsh qa to kanei; Qa analabei thn prwtoboylia;

ANTWNAROS: Ola syzhtoyntai sth Boylh, opws jerete, otan erqei h katallhlh stigmh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prosfata o k. Karamanlhs episkefqhke tis HPA. Eixe synanthsh me ton k. Mpoys kai me ajiwmatoyxoys ths nomenklatoyras ths amerikanikhs kybernhsews. Dierwtwmai ayto to qema anixneyqhke estw kai epidermika; H amerikanikh kybernhsh to eqese etsi panw se tsigaro poy leme kai ena poto h den anaferqhke kaqoloy apo toys Amerikanoys; Eixan, dhladh, thn proqesh oi Amerikanoi na proboyn se ayth thn kinhsh kai den eixan enhmerwsei kaqoloy prohgoymenws thn ellhnikh kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, ean yponoeite oti eixe enhmerwqei gia sygkekrimenes proqeseis twn HPA prin apo polloys mhnes, to Maio, poy metebh o Prwqypoyrgos k. Karamanlhs sthn Oyasigkton, oxi den eixe enhmerwqei.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, otan lete oti o k. Molybiaths ekane o,ti htan dynato diplwmatika@

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den eipa ayto. Eipa oti ekane oloys toys aparaithtoys xeirismoys.

BLAXOS: Otan lete, loipon, oti o k. Molybiaths ekane oloys toys aparaithtoys xeirismoys kai ayth th stigmh exoyme mia pragmatikothta oti oi HPA anagnwrisan ta Skopia me to onoma ``Dhmokratia ths Makedonias'' na symperanw oti yparxei dysareskeia ston k. Karamanlh gia toys xeirismoys toy k. Molybiath;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Molybiaths apolambanei ths apolytoy kai plhroys empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh. Eipa kai prohgoymenws oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai eidika o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Petros Molybiaths ekanan oloys ekeinoys toys xeirismoys, oi opoioi apaitoyntai wste na proaspisoyme ta eqnika symferonta mas.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, blepoyme mia entonh antidrash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Qewrei oti ayth h anagnwrish twn Skopiwn ws ``Makedonia'' ejaptei endexomenws ta alytrwtika aisqhmata twn geitonwn kai synista kindyno gia thn Ellada;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio mas endiaferei einai na epikrathsei klima hremias kai staqerothtas sth geitonikh xwra, kati to opoio epiqymoyme, allwste, na symbainei kai se oles tis xwres me tis opoies exoyme koina synora.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara, den qewreite oti einai kindynos;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora oti prokeitai gia mia dysaresth ejelijh. O k. Molybiaths ejefrase kai ston presbh twn HPA k. Miler tis anhsyxies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Ayth th stigmh enhmerwnei o Genikos Grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn presbhs k. Gennhmatas toys presbeis twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy einai diapisteymenoi sthn Aqhna.

BHXOY: To Steit Ntipartment san dikaiologia gia thn apofash toy eqese to dhmochfisma poy qa diejaxqei thn Kyriakh sta Skopia. Profanws h topoqethsh sas oti epiqymei h ellhnikh kybernhsh klima hremias kai staqerothtas sth geitonikh xwra, shmainei oti fobosaste oti ayto to dhmochfisma mporei na prokalesei apostaqeropoihsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw se kamia periptwsh, ejelijeis kai politikes apofaseis poy aforoyn sta eswterika qemata opoiasdhpote geitonikhs xwras. Einai omws, fysiko na parakoloyqoyme akribws ti ginetai ekei. Ekfrazoyme gia mia akomh fora thn eyxh oti qa prepei na prytaneysei pneyma omocyxias, omonoias kai hremias sthn geitonikh xwra.

SIDERHS: Sthn atyxh dhlwsh toy k. Papandreoy, o kybernhtikos ekproswpos metajy allwn apanthse: Akoma den ntrepetai o k. Papandreoy gia to ``nai'' sto Kypriako poy ton efere se antiqesh me to 76% toy laoy; Ayth h logikh den epikrathse kai tote epi kybernhsews Mhtsotakh poy den hqelan na pane kontra me to 99% toy laoy kai ftasame edw poy ftasame;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na gyrisw pisw kai na sxoliasw ti egine prin apo 12-13 xronia.

SIDERHS: Oyte egw. To anaferw ws mia diaxronikh nootropia poy mas kanei na exoyme httes. Prokeimenoy gia entypwseis sto eswteriko metwpo apempoloyme ejwterika symferonta.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai oloi oi Ellhnes na antimetwpisoyme mazi ena qema to opoio proekyce kai den einai eyxaristo gia thn shmerinh ellhnikh pragmatikothta. Den prepei na trabhjoyme diaxwristikes grammes.

BLAXOS: Sto pneyma ayto poy eipate oti oloi oi ellhnes na antimetwpisoyme mazi, o k. Karamanlhs protiqetai na epikoinwnhsei me ton k. Xristodoylo; Giati opws gnwrizete yparxoyn hdh dhlwseis ierarxwn poy kaloyn se diadhlwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe Ellhnas exei dikaiwma na ekfrazei eleyqera thn apoch toy, eite einai ierarxhs eite aplos poliths. O k. Karamanlhs opws gnwrizete, brisketai akoma stis Bryjelles. Qa epistrecei shmera to brady sthn Aqhna kai qa kanei tis epafes poy krinei skopimes.

GKOYTZANHS: Enhmerwse xqes o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ton k. Xristodoylo;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh nomizei oti qa bohqhsoyn ta syllalhthria poy skeftetai na diorganwsei h Ekklhsia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ekeino poy epiqymoyme einai na epikrathsei kai sthn Ellada klima hremias, nhfaliothtas kai symfiliwshs anamesa se oloys toys ellhnes.

BITALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti den mporoyme na gyrisoyme 12-13 xronia prin. Yparxei omws ena zhthma to opoio eite to qeloyme eite oxi empleketai kai me th shmerinh prospaqeia mesw toy dialogoy poy leme oti ginetai me ta Skopia gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy qematos. Sth syskech twn politikwn arxhgwn, tote, ypo ton k. Karamanlh yphrje mia apofash gia to qema twn Skopiwn thn opoia gnwrizoyme oloi. Ayth h apofash poy elhfqh tote, ejakoloyqei na prytaneyei sth strathgikh kai sthn taktikh ths ellhnikhs pleyras stis diapragmateyseis poy ginontai me ta Skopia kai me thn dieqnh koinothta;

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, yparxei se ejelijh mia diadikasia sto plaisio twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Sthn Ellada yparxei koinh antilhch ths megalhs pleiochfias toy politikoy kosmoy, oti prepei na ginei prospaqeia gia na broyme mia amoibaia apodekth lysh sto qema ths onomasias mesa apo ayth th diadikasia. Ayth einai h taktikh thn opoia h ellhnikh kybernhsh yposthrizei kai exei proqesh na akoloyqhsei. Na mhn jexname oti se ayth thn taktikh poy akoloyqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei thn yposthrijh twn etairwn ths sthn E.E.

SIDERHS: Einai antilhpto ayto poy lete se sxesh me tis synqhkes poy yparxoyn shmera. Wstoso, rwtaw gia na antilhfqoyme pws phgainei h ellhnikh pleyra se ayth th diapragmateysh. Pame exontas ws prometwpida ayth thn apofash poy elege den anagnwrizoyme paragwgo h synqeto toy onomatos Makedonia h pame me pio elastikh qesh; Gia paradeigma, yphrxe diamorfwmenh mia antilhch apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh oti mporoyme na syzhthsoyme kai sth bash enos gewgrafikoy prosdiorismoy@

ANTWNAROS: Den qa hqela se kamia periptwsh na ypeiselqw se ekeina ta stoixeia ths diapragmateyshs, ta opoia oi ellhnikes kybernhseis exoyn xrhsimopoihsei ta teleytaia xronia. Dioti h antilhch mas einai oti h diapragmateysh einai anoixth, h diapragmateysh ejelissetai kai prepei na synexistei. Ayth einai mia staqerh qesh twn ellhnikwn kybernhsewn. Den einai skopimo, en prokeimenw, na qesoyme ayta ta qemata anoixta panw sto trapezi.

SIDERHS: Telika pisteyete oti o ``antipaqhs'' Mhtsotakhs dikaiwqhke;

ANTWNAROS: Opws eipa pro oligoy, den prokeitai na sxoliasw ti egine prin apo arketa xronia ston topo.

XIDIROGLOY: Ektos apo oloys toys politikoys paragontes kai toys paragontes ths kybernhshs qigmenos apo th xqesinh energeia ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs einai kai o ellhnikos laos. Qa hqela na rwthsw poia qa einai h stash ths kybernhshs apo edw kai pera se opoiesdhpote ekdhlwseis diamartyrias, mazikes h oxi, poy qa laboyn xwra.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh yposthrizei thn epikrathsh pneymatos nhfaliothtas kai hremias ston topo.

BLAXOS: Diabazw kata lejh: Den prepei na ginei apodekth kamia onomasia h opoia exei thn paramikrh dynatothta eqnologikhs parermhneias. 18/05/1997, boyleyths N.D. Kwstas Karamanlhs. Synexizei na pisteyei ayto o k. Karamanlhs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei kai sto parelqon oti den prokeitai na sxoliasw kamia dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eite me th shmerinh, eite me thn tote idiothta toy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos eipe oti h ejelijh sto Skopiano einai h arxh toy teloys gia th N.D. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Ta osa grafika leei kata kairoys o k. Pagkalos, opws jerete, apofeygw na ta sxoliasw.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto xrono poy bghke to Skopiano, h kybernhsh to aposyndeei teleiws apo tis amerikanikes ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei logos na kanoyme tetoioy eidoys syndeseis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epeidh anaferqhkate sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, dierwtwmai poso kaqarh einai h qesh ths E.E., oson afora to qema ayto poy exei prokycei; Kai to lew ayto dioti polles xwres opws h Megalh Bretania den exei akoma topoqethqei kaqara kai poios qa prepei na einai o rolos ths E.E. sto zhthma ayto poy exei prokycei se baros ths Elladas.

ANTWNAROS: Thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh thn ekfrazei ekastote, desmeytika, o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras poy exei thn Proedria. O k. Mpalkenente xqes ekane sygkekrimenh dhlwsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Thn ekfrazei me th symfwnh gnwmh twn ypoloipwn etairwn.

ANTWNAROS: H ekastote qesh ths Proedrias einai ena apaygasma synantilhchs olwn twn kratwn - melwn poy sygkrotoyn thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Den ekfrazei thn ollandikh apoch o k. Mpalkenente. Ekfrazei thn apoch ths Proedrias kai sas lew ti eipe akribws xqes: ``H qesh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs einai pws to epishmo onoma ths xwras einai Prwhn Gioygkoslabikh Dhmokratia ths Makedonias kai pisteyw oti, pros to paron, mporoyme na xrhsimopoioyme ayth thn onomasia''.

XONDROS: To ``pros to paron'', pws to ermhneyete;

ANTWNAROS: Den to ermhneyw. Me ikanopoiei ayto poy leei twra.

XIDIROGLOY: Einai ta Skopia, ws kratos, ajiopistos synomilhths meta apo ayto poy synebh; H ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe analabei kapoies prwtoboylies, syzhtoyse me thn kybernhsh twn Skopiwn, yphrxan diaboyleyseis gia to onoma kai jafnika synebh ayto. Paramenei h kybernhsh twn Skopiwn ajiopistos synomilhths;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa krinoyme tis kybernhseis geitonikwn xwrwn. Qa meinoyme sth diadikasia twn synomiliwn poy exoyn orisei ws plaisio ta Hnwmena Eqnh.

BHXOY: Paramenei h ellhnikh kybernhsh egklwbismenh sthn palia politikh twn Samara kai Papaqemelh sto qema twn Skopiwn h qewrei oti ayth h politikh exei jeperastei apo thn idia thn istoria;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh ejelegh stis 7 Martioy.

PEPONHS: Afhsate na ennohqei oti stis diapragmateyseis mporei na xrhsimopoihqei kai to beto san esxath lysh, sthn arxh ths topoqethshs sas.

ANTWNAROS: Ekana safh topoqethsh sthn arxh ths enhmerwshs.

PEPONHS: Me ta Skopia, thn teleytaia dekaetia, exoyme anaptyjei kapoies oikonomikes sxeseis. Ypologizontai gyrw sto 1 disek. dolaria oi synallages poy exoyme. Qewreitai h Ellada o kyrioteros oikonomikos etairos twn Skopiwn. Ellhnikes megales epixeirhseis exoyn ependysei ekei. Me to na sklhrainoyme th stash mas, poso bohqoyme aytes tis epixeirhseis sto na synexisoyn th drasthriothta toys ekei kai deyteron, ftaine ta Skopia giati toys anagnwrisan oi HPA h oi HPA poy anagnwrisan ta Skopia;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, kat@ arxas, den sklhrainei kamia stash. Exei staqerh topoqethsh, h opoia -opws sas ejhghsa arketes fores shmera- ejelissetai mesa apo th diadikasia twn diapragmateysewn, oi opoies exoyn apofasistei edw kai arketa xronia, me stoxo thn ejeyresh mias amoibaia apodekths lyshs sto qema toy onomatos. Den exoyme proqesh, oyte h ellhnikh kybernhsh, oyte h Ellada, oyte o ellhnikos laos na timwrhsoyme kanenan kai poly perissotero geitonikes xwres.

XIDIROGLOY: Exoyme staqerh topoqethsh sthn politikh mas me ta Skopia. Exoyme staqerh topoqethsh sthn politikh mas sta ellhnotoyrkika. Omws, didetai h entypwsh, isws, oti den apodidei ayth h staqerh politikh. Mhpws prepei na allajoyme tropario;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh, thn opoia den symmerizetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: Mia dieykrinish: Eipate oti eiste kainoyrgia kybernhsh kai ara den sas desmeyei, an katalaba kala, h apofash twn politikwn arxhgwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto.

SIDERHS: Desmeyei thn kybernhsh h apofash twn politikwn arxhgwn tote;

ANTWNAROS: Qelete na sas apanthsw aysthra diadikastika; H apofash twn politikwn arxhgwn airetai me allh antistoixh apofash twn arxhgwn twn politikwn kommatwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati, einai qesmoqethmeno organo to symboylio politikwn arxhgwn;

ANTWNAROS: Einai mia apofash, h opoia exei lhfqei ypo ton tote Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai me paroysia olwn twn arxhgwn twn kommatwn. An kai pote qa synelqei jana to Symboylio, einai qema entelws diaforetiko, sto opoio den prokeitai na ypeiselqw.

BLAXOS: Se allo qema: Mesa stis ypoxrewseis ths kybernhshs einai na prostateyei toys polites kai na frontizei gia to koino kalo. Tis teleytaies hmeres yparxei ena problhma poy exei mplokarei ena ergo megalhs shmasias gia ton Ellhna polith. Ayto to ergo akoyei sto onoma ``Kakia Skala''. Yparxei mia etairia poy phge sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias kai mplokare ta erga. To YPEXWDE, opws gnwrizete, brisketai se adiejodo. To ergo den qa doqei stoys polites telh toy xronoy. Ti skeptetai na kanei h kybernhsh me ayth thn istoria;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw apanthsei ep@ aytoy dyo-treis fores tis teleytaies dyo ebdomades.

BLAXOS: Mporeite na moy apanthsete jana, giati egw eimai xazos kai den to katalaba;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw: H ellhnikh kybernhsh endiaferetai gia thn ektelesh twn ergwn poy qa dieykolynoyn thn kaqhmerinothta twn politwn, me thn proypoqesh oti ta erga ayta exoyn anateqei synnoma kai h ektelesh twn ergwn ginetai epishs synnoma.

GKOYTZANHS: Nomizw oti yparxei mia apofash shmera toy Areioy Pagoy oti qa synelqei thn epomenh ebdomada h Olomeleia gia na apofasisei sxetika me th mh parembash toy k. Papalhgoyra sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs. Sas qymizw oti, enw h kybernhsh epimenei pws den htan parembash, o Grammateas toy kommatos eipe oti kalo qa htan na eixe apofeyxqei ayth h parembash.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia prwtoboylia toy Proedroy toy Areioy Pagoy poy den allazei tipota gia mas. Oi xeirismoi toy k. Papalhgoyra exoyn th sthrijh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs.

BLAXOS: Gia ta TOR exete na mas peite kati;

ANTWNAROS: Xqes to brady, o k. Sphliwtopoylos, se synexeia oswn eipe sth Mosxa, ejedwse dieykrinistikh anakoinwsh, thn opoia parakalw na diabasete, dioti egine hqelhmenh parermhneia twn dhlwsewn toy apo kykloys toy PASOK.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

Greek Government Press Briefings in ASCII Greek Directory - Previous Article - Next Article