Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-09-30

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 30 Septembrioy 2004

TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Ayrio, stis 12 to meshmeri sto Megaro Majimoy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me thn Proedro toy ``Aqhna 2004'' k. Gianna Aggelopoyloy kai thn anaplhrwtria ypoyrgo Politismoy k. Fanh Pallh-Petralia.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poio qa einai to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs;

ANTWNAROS: @Opws gnwrizete, proxqes teleiwsan oi Olympiakoi Agwnes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa kanoyn apologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Einai fysiko, otan teleiwnei ena toso megalo gegonos opws oi Olympiakoi Agwnes, poy pragmatopoihqhkan sthn Ellada gia prwth fora meta apo 108 xronia, o Prwqypoyrgos na qelei na syzhthsei me oloys osoi htan epifortismenoi me thn ektelesh aytoy toy ergoy.

STMATOPOYLOS: Den einai, omws, mono aytoi oi dyo oi synergates kai oi epifortismenoi, einai kai alloi. Qa kalesei kai alloys;

ANTWNAROS: Aytoi einai oi koryfaioi.

MPOILE: H ka Aggelopoyloy den paresth shmera sto Zappeio. Den eixe prosklhqei;

ANTWNAROS: Einai mia ekdhlwsh poy organwse o Prwqypoyrgos. Ejalloy, qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti, otan o Prwqypoyrgos meta to peras twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn dexqhke toys Olympionikes sto Megaro Majimoy, den eixe parastei h ka Aggelopoyloy. Tote htan ekdhlwsh pros timhn twn Olympionikwn kai shmera einai ekdhlwsh pros timhn twn Paraolympionikwn.

TSIODRAS: Nai, alla h ka Aggelopoyloy einai Proedros ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs toy 2004. Den qa eprepe na einai sthn ekdhlwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa, qa synanthqei ayrio me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

GKOYTZANHS: H Dioikhsh toy OTE synexizei to programma ths gia eqeloysia ejodo. Parallhla, h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias epimenei oti ta asfalistika tameia den mporoyn na antejoyn thn oikonomikh epibarynsh. Ti qa ginei telika; Poios qa plhrwsei ayto to kostos;

ANTWNAROS: Oi syzhthseis poy ekane o Dioikhths toy OTE k. Boyrloymhs me ta syndikalistika swmateia toy OTE htan sto plaisio diereynhtikwn epafwn, me skopo thn kalyterh leitoyrgia toy Organismoy, wste kai oi ergazomenoi na mh zhmiwqoyn kai o Organismos na paei mprosta. Allwste, den exoyn katalhjei akomh. To eipe pro oligoy kai o ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Liaphs, ejerxomenos apo to Megaro Majimoy.

GKOYTZANHS: H erwthsh einai poios qa plhrwsei to kostos ths eqeloysias ejodoy, dedomenoy oti h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias epimenei oti den mporei na antejei.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporoyme na milame gia to kostos mias ryqmishs, ths opoias oyte h ektash, oyte to eyros, oyte h xronikh diarkeia einai gnwsta. Sas epanalambanw oti prokeitai gia diereynhtikes syzhthseis poy briskontai se poly prwimo stadio.

GKOYTZANHS: O k. Panagiwtopoylos kai o k. Aggelopoylos exoyn pei oti yparxei oikonomiko problhma, den yparxei oikonomikh dynatothta na proxwrhsei h sygxwneysh twn asfalistikwn tameiwn, opws problepetai apo to N.3029/2002. Me ayto to dedomeno, skeptetai h Kybernhsh na anaqewrhsei ayto to nomo h qa to metaqesei argotera;

ANTWNAROS: Qemata toy asfalistikoy tomea den einai ayth th stigmh epikaira.

IWANNOY: Stelexh toy PASOK kai shmera sth syzhthsh gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph gia ta ejoplistika systhmata lene oti an synexistei ayto to klima, me eyqynh ths Kybernhshs, den einai dynaton to PASOK na synainesei sthn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. H erwthsh einai an h Kybernhsh protiqetai na kanei pisw s@ ayta ta qemata, wste na apofortistei to klima kai na yparjei synainesh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa kai xqes oti einai dyo entelws diaforetika qemata. To qema ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs einai safes: Me th diabibash toy eisaggelikoy porismatos sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn, h anejarthth ellhnikh Dikaiosynh zhtei na diereynhqoyn piqanes poinikes eyqynes politikwn proswpwn, ta opoia endexomenws exoyn emplakei s@ aytes tis ypoqeseis. H Kybernhsh apo thn arxh eipe oti qa diereynhsei tetoia fainomena. Exei ypoxrewsh na synexisei th diereynhsh twn stoixeiwn, ta opoia katateqhkan sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Kaneis den einai panw apo to nomo.

IWANNOY: Ara, riskarei h Kybernhsh kai to endexomeno eklogwn an ``torpilistei'' ayth h synainetikh prospaqeia.

ANTWNAROS: H Kybernhsh den riskarei tipote apolytws kai poly perissotero den qa riskarei se kamia periptwsh th diafaneia kai thn apodosh ths Dikaiosynhs.

SPYRAKH: An prokycoyn apoxrwses endeijeis apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, qa proxwrhsei h Kybernhsh sth systash proanakritikwn Epitropwn;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, yparxei mia diadikasia. Den qa apanthsw se ypoqetikes erwthseis. Sas lew mono oti gia thn Kybernhsh o sebasmos pros th Dikaiosynh den einai synqhma. Einai prajh.

SARANTAKOS: Apasxolei thn Kybernhsh ayto to klima ths eklogologias poy yparxei; Mhpws ephreasei thn oikonomia sthn krisimh fash poy pernaei; Skeptetai h Kybernhsh kapws na ``frenarei'' ayth thn eklogologia;

ANTWNAROS: Thn eklogologia den thn prokalei h Kybernhsh. Den blepw kanenan na zhtaei ekloges. Den antilambanomai, loipon, gia poia eklogologia milate.

TSIODRAS: Oi ypoqeseis poy qa ejetasei h Boylh einai aytes poy anaferontai sto eisaggeliko eggrafo h yparxoyn kai alla stoixeia gi@ aytes h alles ypoqeseis, tis opoies qa dei h Ejetastikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Ta stoixeia perilambanontai sta eggrafa poy apesteile o Eisaggeleas sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Ayta ta stoixeia qa diereynhqoyn mexri teloys.

TSIODRAS: Oxi alla prosqeta, mono ayta poy einai ekei@

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, ayta poy perilambanontai ekei.

SIDERHS: H synadelfos sas rwthse an yparjoyn apoxrwses endeijeis, qa ginei proanakritikh Epitroph; Kai eipate oti den apantate se ypoqetikes erwthseis. Gia thn politikh sas boylhsh rwtame.

ANTWNAROS: Moy kanete ypoqetikh erwthsh.

SIDERHS: Den einai ypoqetikh. Pros ta ekei phgainei to pragma.

ANTWNAROS: An yparxoyn apoxrwses endeijeis, qa doyme.

SIDERHS: An to PASOK zhthsei kai gia ton k. Sphliwtopoylo, qa ginei Ejetastikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Na zhthsei ti;

SIDERHS: O k. Sphliwtopoylos exei ypogracei symbaseis.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete kanena porisma poy na efqase sth Boylh kai na anaferetai ston k. Sphliwtopoylo;

SIDERHS: Ta porismata einai apo dhmosieymata kai mporei na einai kaq@ ola alhqh.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti to porisma poy odhghse sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph prohlqe apo ereyna ths anejarthths ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs.

SIDERHS: Basisthke sta dhmosieymata.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na egine ereyna h opoia na anaferetai sth diaxeirish porwn toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, epi ypoyrgias toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy.

SIDERHS: Synexizei kai ypografei symbaseis, oi opoies eixan proyparjei@

ANTWNAROS: Kai erwtw: Egine kamia ereyna; H ereyna ginetai apo ton Eisaggelea, den ginetai basei dhmosieymatwn. Ta porismata den katartizontai me bash dhmosiografika dhmosieymata, ta opoia einai kaq@ ola sebasta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, gia ton k. Boyrloymh oti syzhta me ta syndikalistika swmateia. Ola ta syndikalistika swmateia toy OTE einai antiqeta. Akoma kai h DAKE ejedwse anakoinwsh oti einai antiqeth me thn eqeloysia ejodo. H Kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa, jekinhse mia syzhthsh h opoia mporei na diarkesei epi makron. Sto plaisio ayths ths syzhthshs dhmioyrgoyntai zymwseis, ginontai antallages apocewn kai anazhtoyntai koines qeseis. Kapoia stigmh, brisketai enas koinos paronomasths. Ayth thn ennoia exoyn kai oi syzhthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi syndikalistes kai ta swmateia antedrasan, opws kai h DAKE. H Kybernhsh symfwnei; Giati anaferqhkate ston k. Liaph.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti o k. Liaphs ekane sxetikes dhlwseis epi toy qematos. Parakalw na tis diabasete.

SPYRAKH: Pws qa xarakthrize h kybernhsh thn ayjhsh sto EKAS kai stis syntajeis toy OGA poy problepontai apo ton proypologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Oi ejaggelies ths kybernhshs isxyoyn sto akeraio. Oi ayjhseis toso gia to EKAS, oso kai gia tis syntajeis toy OGA qa pragmatopoihqoyn mexri th lhjh ths 4etias, sto plaisio twn desmeysewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai safes ti shmainei ayto: To EKAS qa ayjhqei apo 141 se 230 eyrw.

KAKALHS: Pws dikaiwnontai oi prwqypoyrgikes yposxeseis gia sthrijh twn koinwnika asqenesterwn, otan sto sxedio toy proypologismoy poy paroysiasthke xqes den problepetai kamia prosqeth dapanh gia koinwnikes paroxes, enw synexizetai h litothta se misqoys kai syntajeis, opws kai oi foroepidromes.

ANTWNAROS: Den diabasate kala ta stoixeia gia ton proypologismo. Ta kondylia gia to ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias, gia to 2005, ayjanontai se sxesh me to prohgoymeno etos kata 14,9%. Einai poly shmantikh ayjhsh. Apodeiknyei de emprakta thn idiaiterh eyaisqhsia kai merimna ths kybernhshs gia tis eypaqeis omades politwn poy exoyn anagkh syndromhs toy kratoys. Prwth proteraiothta paramenei h enisxysh twn xamhlwn eisodhmatwn. Ayto akribws ginetai. Kai gi ayto akribws dinontai se ena dhmosionomiko plaisio, to opoio den einai eyxaristo kai den prohlqe me eyqynh ths shmerinhs kybernhshs. Se ayto to plaisio, loipon, ginetai idiaitera megalh ayjhsh sta kondylia toy ypoyrgeioy poy frontizei gia aytes tis omades.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos dhlwne persi, otan sxoliaze to ``paketo'' Shmith, oti einai pragmatika qlibero o Prwqypoyrgos na emfanizei ws koinwnikh politikh thn ayjhsh toy enos eyrw thn hmera stoys syntajioyxoys. Fetos den yparxei oyte to ena eyrw sto EKAS kai tis syntajeis toy OGA.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei ayjhsh kai as klhronomhsame adeia tameia.

SIDERHS: Den ta jerate kyrie Ekproswpe; Eseis legate oti h oikonomia einai etsi, einai ypobaqmismenh, einai, einai... Den ta jerate, giati ta yposxosastan;

ANTWNAROS: Den eixame plhrh gnwsh gia to megeqos twn kenwn, ta opoia yphrxan sta esoda oyte kai ta terastia elleimmata kai ta diogkwmena ejoda.

XIWTHS: Prin apo ena xrono akribws h kybernhsh xarakthrize thn ayjhsh twn 30 eyrw sto EKAS kai tis katwteres syntajeis ``filodwrhma''. Legate xarakthristika tote oti ``den arkoyn oyte gia enan kafe thn hmera''. Apo tote mexri shmera o kafes safws akribhne kai h ayjhsh einai 20 eyrw thn hmera. Qelw na moy perigracete pws xarakthrizete ayth thn ayjhsh shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti brhkame adeia ta tameia. Bebaiws, isxyei h desmeysh gia thn ayjhsh toy EKAS sth diarkeia ths 4etias -poy einai h kanonikh zwh mias kybernhshs, mia ayjhsh poy aggizei to 60%. Nomizw oti ayto den mporei na to amfisbhthsei kaneis.

TSIODRAS: Eixate pei, prin apo tis ekloges, oti gia ekplhrwsete to proeklogiko programma sas qa prepei na exoyme ryqmoys anaptyjhs 5% ethsiws. To 2004 parerxetai xwris na exoyme 5%, to 2005 epishs, den problepetai 5% ethsiws, poy shmainei: H oti qa prepei na exoyme ryqmoys anaptyjhs 7% kai 8 % ta epomena xronia h den qa ylopoihsete to proeklogiko sas programma.

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqei na isxyei h problech oti thn epomenh xronia o ryqmos anaptyjhs qa einai 3,9%. Eimai bebaios oti ayto dinei ena kalo shmeio ekkinhshs, wste me thn anamorfwsh ths oikonomias -opws thn exoyme jekinhsei hdh- na yparjoyn oi proypoqeseis poy xreiazontai, wste na dhmioyrghqoyn pleonasmata, na pragmatopoihqoyn kainoyrgies ependyseis kai na yparjoyn nees qeseis ergasias, wste h ellhnikh oikonomia na mporesei epiteloys na brei ton pragmatiko bhmatismo ths, ayton poy ths xreiazetai kai ayton poy prepei na exei.

SIDERHS: Kai giati kaqysterei toso aytos o perifhmos anaptyjiakos nomos poy qa epiferei ola ayta; Eixate pei oti qa to kanete arxes fqinopwroy. Perase hdh o prwtos mhnas toy fqinopwroy.

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn qymamai eixame pei mesa sto fqinopwro.

SARANTAKOS: Mia apo tis basikes proeklogikes ejaggelies ths N.D. htan oti oi basikoi pylwnes toy kybernhtikoy ths programmatos qa htan h paideia kai o politismos, opoy ekei qa yphrxe kai mia ayjhsh twn kondyliwn. Kati tetoio den fainetai apo to prosxedio toy proypologismoy. Qa perimenoyme na to doyme kai ayto mexri teloys ths 4etias;

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete na deite ta oristika megeqh toy proypologismoy. Ta stoixeia ta opoia edwse xqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs htan mia progeysh toy proypologismoy. Opws gnwrizete o proypologismos katatiqetai me sygkekrimenh diadikasia sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn egkairws, wste na syzhthqei, ekei poy prepei na syzhthqei.

KAKALHS: Me prosfath egkyklio toy k. Doyka, thn perasmenh ebdomada, perikoptontai oi epixorhghseis sta Panepisthmia, ta AEI kai ta ereynhtika idrymata apo 5 mexri 15%. Ayto pws symbibazetai me thn ejaggelia gia ayjhsh twn dapanwn gia 5%, kai prwth proteraiothta sthn paideia;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

POYLIDOY: Afoy brhkate adeia tameia pws skefteste na antimetwpisete thn oikonomia me hpies prosarmoges; Apo poy qa ta breite; Qa tetragwnisete ton kyklo;

ANTWNAROS: Me meiwsh twn dapanwn, oi opoies eixan jefygei pera apo kaqe orio.

MPOTSARAKOS: Jerete ti akribws egine me thn eleysh twn maqhtwn poy eneplakhsan sto dystyxhma kai exasan th zwh toys; Poios edwse ta eisithria; Enhmerwqhke to ypoyrgeio Paideias apo ton AQHNA-2004; Ofeile o AQHNA-2004 na enhmerwsei; Ti akribws egine; Giati jeroyme apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias oti yphrje ena xarti mono gia th Nomarxia Aqhnas-Peiraia. Ti akribws synebh;

ANTWNAROS: Proxqes, to ypoyrgeio Paideias ejedwse ekteneis anakoinwseis, panw se ayto to qema. Ta eisithria ta opoia eklhqhsan na paroyn maqhtes kai sxoleia isxyoyn gia thn perioxh ths Attikhs. To skeptiko htan na mhn teqoyn se kinhsh ekatontades lewforeia me nea paidia apo oles tis perioxes ths xwras.

MPOTSARAKOS: Pws efqasan loipon sta Trikala kai sth Lamia kai poios eyqynetai gi ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw. Afhste me na to koitajw kai qa sas apanthsw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Roysopoylos tis teleytaies hmeres den mas episkeptetai sto press room. Yparxei kanena problhma;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena apolytws. Mhn jexnate oti gia polles hmeres den sas eixa episkefqei egw. Kai opws blepete, eimai mia xara.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Synhqws o ypoyrgos, otan den einai sto ejwteriko, enhmerwnei aytos. Gi ayto rwtw ean yparxei kanena problhma.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai akribws etsi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Panta etsi ginotan.

ANTWNAROS: H enhmerwsh, opws gnwrizete, ginetai eite apo ton k. Roysopoylo, eite apo mena.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw nomiza oti symbainei tipota, gi ayto rwthsa.

ANTWNAROS: Den symbainei apolytws tipota. Sas kaqhsyxazw plhrws.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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