Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-09-12

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EKQESH QESSALONIKHS

SYNENTEYJH TYPOY

TOY PRWQYPOYRGOY

k.KWNSTANTINOY KARAMANLH

STO SYNEDRIAKO KENTRO

``I. BELLIDHS''

KYRIAKH 12 SEPTEMBRIOY 2004

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O Prwqypoyrgos qa jekinhsei me mia akoma dhlwsh kai amesws meta qa jekinhsoyn oi erwthseis.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Ekfrazw kai pali th baqytath qlich moy gia to tragiko dystyxhma, gia thn apwleia toy Patriarxh kai twn Melwn ths Synodeias toy kai twn Stelexwn twn Enoplwn Dynamewn.

Einai omws diaforetiko to zhthma toy dystyxhmatos apo to zhthma ths kaqysterhshs ws pros thn enhmerwsh gia thn apwleia toy elikopteroy. Ekei yparxoyn eyqynes. Oxi eyqynes politikes, alla ws pros th leitoyrgia toy antistoixoy systhmatos twn Enoplwn Dynamewn.

Gia to logo ayto o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas zhthse hdh thn paraithsh toy Arxhgoy toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Aeroporias. Ayrio synerxetai to KYSEA to opoio kai qa apofasisei thn antikatastash toy.

Para thn elleich politikwn eyqynwn opws eipa, o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas Sphlios Sphliwtopoylos ypebale gia logoys eyqijias thn paraithsh toy h opoia kai den egine apodekth.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

Exw mprosta moy enan megalo katalogo me aithmata, onomata kai mesa enhmerwshs gia erwthseis. Qa parakalesw oi erwthseis na einai syntomes gia na mporesei o Prwqypoyrgos na apanthsei se oso to dynaton perissoteres. Eqimikw dikaiw arxizoyme apo th Qessalonikh kai parakalw ton kyrio Papadakh apo thn ET3 na ypoballei thn erwthsh toy.

Kos PAPADAKHS (ET3):

Oi eyqynes kyrie Prwqypoyrge teleiwnoyn edw;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Sas eipa th qesh ths Kybernhshs. Ayth einai h qesh ths, se aythn emmenei.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Mpoyrdaras apo thn KAQHMERINH.

Kos MPOYRDARAS (KAQHMERINH):

Kyrie Proedre sth xqesinh sas omilia perigracate me ta pleon melana xrwmata thn katastash ths oikonomias. Milhsate gia plasmatika stoixeia oson afora to dhmosio elleimma, dapanes poy den katagrafontai ston proypologismo kai loipa.

Orismenoi yposthrizoyn, piqanon kai me safws antipoliteytikh diaqesh, oti prokaloyntai problhmata kat@ ayton ton tropo ws pros thn ajiopistia ths xwras kai ths ellhnikhs oikonomias idiws stoys kolpoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Qa hqela to sxolio sas, eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Einai apla ta pragmata. Qelei kaneis na blepei thn alhqeia h qelei na zei se enan kosmo plasmatiko; Emeis pisteyoyme, kai den metakinoymeqa apo ayth th qesh oti gia to kalo ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, prepei na blepoyme thn alhqeia. Ayto einai o basikos logos kai bebaiws th synepeia ths apenanti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

Alla to kyrio aitio, o kyrios logos einai na jeroyn oi polites poia einai h pragmatikothta, wste na mporesoyme oloi mazi na kanoyme tis diorqwtikes kinhseis, apo th mia sto epipedo to dhmosionomiko, apo thn allh tis anaptyjiakes, poy odhgoyn sthn beltiwsh twn orwn zwhs twn pollwn Ellhnwn.

Kata synepeia, den tiqetai zhthma edw toy an h oxi leme thn alhqeia. To zhthma poy tiqetai einai an qeloyme oloi mazi na doyme thn alhqeia katamata. Kai h alhqeia einai oti h xwra exei sobaro dhmosionomiko problhma.

To gegonos oti epilegoyme mia politikh h opoia den anazhta oyte qerapeies sok, oyte sklhra metra, alla mia politikh h opoia katateinei, odhgei - ki eimai bebaios oti qa to petyxoyme - se ayto poy qa legame ``dhmosionomiko symmazema'', noikokyrema, einai apodeijh gia to alhqes toy logoy, oti den katafeygoyme se metra ta opoia einai koinwnika banaysa.

To lew ayto giati epixeireitai na dhmioyrghqei mia aisqhsh apo kapoies pleyres oti ola ayta einai prosxhmatika gia na ginei mia politikh biaihs prosarmoghs. Den qa ginei ayto. Emeis den pisteyoyme oti gia politika h alla laqh prepei na plhrwnoyn oi polites.

Pisteyoyme oti prepei na exoyme mia strathgikh h opoia qa antimetwpisei to dhmosionomiko problhma sth riza toy, kai apo thn allh, qa balei tis baseis gia mia anaptyjiakh troxia, poy kyriws, opws eipa kata koron tis dyo prohgoymenes hmeres, qa exei stoxo thn ellhnikh perifereia.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Panagopoylos apo ton ANTENNA.

Kos PANAGOPOYLOS (ANTENNA):

Kyrie Proedre, qa hqela na pame sto qema ths ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai na mas aposafhnisete an protiqeste na pate se prowres ekloges h na proteinete ena proswpo poy qa mporoyse na einai kai apo thn pleyra ths Neas Dhmokratias gia Proedro ths Dhmokratias, diadoxo toy kyrioy Stefanopoyloy, poy qewreite eseis oti mporei na yperchfistei apo to PA.SO.K.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Kyrie Panagopoyle, qewrw katarxhn oti to qema ayto einai akairo kai h anakinhsh toy aplws leitoyrgei apoprosanatolistika sta megala problhmata ta opoia prepei na antimetwpisoyme, oxi mono ws Kybernhsh alla olh h ellhnikh koinwnia.

To deytero shmeio to opoio qa hqela na tonisw einai oti to Syntagma kai kyriws to pneyma toy Syntagmatos katateinei, eynoei thn synainesh. Emeis, loipon, qa emmeinoyme se ayth thn logikh. H Kybernhsh den exei proqesh oyte diaqesh na anamijei to zhthma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me tis ekloges.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Kottakhs apo thn APOGEYMATINH.

Kos KOTTAKHS (APOGEYMATINH):

Kyrie Proedre symplhrwsate eji mhnes sthn ejoysia. Hqela na zhthsw mia prwth ajiologhsh ths Kybernhshs sas. Poy ta phge kala, poy qa mporoyse na ta paei kalytera. Kai endexomenws, me aformh ayto poy eipate gia thn anadiorganwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Makedonias Qrakhs, mhpws shmainei oti qa exoyme kai anadiorganwsh, synolika, twn ypoyrgeiwn; To kybernhtiko programma milaei gia meiwsh twn ypoyrgeiwn.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Qewrw oti h Kybernhsh, sto diasthma poy exei diarreysei exei xeiristei me sobarothta kai epityxia kapoia koryfaia qemata. Qymizw to Kypriako, qymizw thn proetoimasia kai thn diejagwgh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Exei parei mia prwth seira apo metra koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias. Kai sygxronws exei etoimasei thn oikonomikh politikh poy emeis pisteyoyme - kai to pisteyoyme akradanta @ oti odhgei sthn apogeiwsh ths Xwras, thn oikonomikh apogeiwsh sta epomena xronia.

Twra, sto deytero skelos poy eipate. Egw pisteyw oti to Ypoyrgeio Makedonias Qrakhs exei na paijei ena pio shmantiko rolo apo ayton poy epaize mexri twra poy, gia na sas eimai apolyta eilikrinhs, den apeixe poly apo ton diakosmhtiko.

Qewrw, loipon, oti mia Kybernhsh, h opoia stoxo exei thn oysiastikh anabaqmish ths perifereias, oti den ginetai mono me metra ta opoia lambanontai apo to kentro, alla an mh ti allo me symmetoxh twn dynamewn ths perifereias.

Den einai, bebaia, mono to Ypoyrgeio Makedonias Qrakhs. Se ayto kaloyntai na symmetasxoyn h Aytodioikhsh kai toy prwtoy kai toy deyteroy baqmoy kai oi topikes koinwnies.

Twra, sto teleytaio zhthma poy qijate, ayth thn stigmh, sto epikeimeno mellon den tiqetai tetoio zhthma.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Tsiodras, apo to MEGA.

Kos TSIODRAS (MEGA):

Kyrie Proedre, otan hsaste sthn Antipoliteysh miloysate me poly pio sklhra logia kai zhtoysate akoma kai paraithseis kai anazhtoysate kai politikes eyqynes otan yphrxan mikrotera peristatika, oxi toso megala dystyxhmata.

Shmera eipate oti den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes. Omws, den eiste Kybernhsh dyo mhnes h dyo ebdomades. Eiste eji mhnes. To gegonos oti enas mhxanismos den leitoyrgei kai oti enhmerwnetai h Kybernhsh ystera apo treis wres, gia ena tetoio gegonos, den shmainei oti yparxoyn kai politikes eyqynes gia thn mh leitoyrgia aytoy toy mhxanismoy;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Katarxhn, prepei na sas pw to ejhs. To an yparxoyn h den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes gia ena qema den metrietai me to megeqos toy dystyxhmatos.

To dystyxhma einai kati to tragiko. Kai oloi qlibomaste gia ayto. Apo ekei kai pera yphrje mia dysleitoyrgia ston tropo antidrashs gia thn enhmerwsh apo sygkekrimenoys mhxanismoys. Kai gia ayto to qema anazhtoyntai oi eyqynes kai apodidontai.

Alla ayto den einai zhthma politiko.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

H kyria Korah, apo thn ELEYQEROTYPIA.

Ka KORAH ( ELEYQEROTYPIA):

Kyrie Proedre analyontas thn strathgikh sas toy neoy Koinwnikoy kai Politikoy Kentroy exoyme prosejei oti oydepote kanate kapoia anafora sthn dejia proeleysh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Akomh kai shmera yparxoyn polla stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias ta opoia aytoprosdiorizontai ws dejia.

Qa hqela loipon na sas rwthsw, eseis proswpika, eiste dejios; Eiste kentrwos kai poy aytoprosdiorizeste sthn klimaka aristera, dejia apo to ena mexri to 10; Eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Kyria Korah, oloi exoyme thn politikh mas proeleysh, thn istorikh mas katagwgh an qelete. Omws apantw eyqews sto erwthma sas. Den epilegw kamia apo aytes tis etiketes poy qewrw oti den exoyn kamia ajia sthn sygxronh epoxh, epeidh me rwtate proswpika.

Twra epeidh kanate anafora sto Koinwniko Kentro, prepei na sas pw oti qewrw oti Koinwniko Kentro einai mia antilhch poy perigrafetai apo kapoies poly basikes ennoies: To na aporripteis ta akra kai tis akrothtes, to na anazhtas to dialogo kai thn synennohsh, to na mhn aifnidiazeis, to na epideiknyeis se oles soy tis politikes epiloges thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia. Me alla logia thn diaqesh na eisai konta se ekeinoys poy einai oi ligotero eynohmenoi se mia koinwnia. To na anazhtas to hpio politiko klima. Ola ayta synqetoyn ayto poy onomazw egw mesaio xwro, Koinwniko Kentro. Kai nomizw, sas lew aperifrasta thn proswpikh moy apoch, ayto einai to stigma toy mellontos.

Ayto einai poy anazhtei h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn politwn opoia ki an einai h istorika politikh katagwgh ths, h akoma kai h eklogikh ths epilogh mexri kai tis teleytaies ekloges.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

H ka Taboylarh apo ton ELEYQERO TYPO.

Ka TABOYLARH (ELEYQEROS TYPOS):

Kyrie Proedre sto programma sas miloysate gia rhjeis kai metarryqmiseis. Edw milhsate gia noikokyrema. Kinhqhkate genika se xamhloys, qa elega, hpioys tonoys.

Anarwtiemai an o logos einai h kakh katastash ths oikonomias, an einai to politiko kostos kai endexomenws kai mia epikeimenh eklogikh anametrhsh h an prepei na perimenoyme ekplhjeis.

Kai gia na symplhrwsw, eidika gia to qema twn metarryqmisewn, den akoysame tipota gia basikoys tomeis poy xreiazontai rhjeis opws einai ta ergasiaka, h ygeia, h paideia.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Ena poly megalo kommati twn topoqethsewn poy eginan kai proxqes alla kyriws xqes, htan afierwmeno akribws stis metarryqmiseis. Metarryqmiseis oi opoies den emperiexoyn to stoixeio toy aifnidiasmoy.

Qelw loipon na jekaqarisoyme dyo pragmata: H Ellada, h Ellhnikh Oikonomia, oi domes ths exoyn anagkh apo metarryqmiseis. Alla den yparxei kamia antifash anamesa se ayth thn logikh, se ayth thn kentrikh politikh epilogh poy prowqoyme kai thn anazhthsh ths synennohshs kai toy dialogoy.

Pisteyw kai to pisteyw poly baqia, oti poly megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn gnwrizoyn, epiqymoyn metarryqmiseis se polla epipeda. H anazhthsh h dikh mas einai na petyxoyme tis metarryqmiseis aytes poy qa kanoyn thn Ellada mia xwra h opoia paragei perissotero, einai pio antagwnistikh, mia xwra poy proodeyei, poy ayjanei to paragomeno proion, alla kai katanemei dikaiotera ayto to proion mesa apo tis metarryqmiseis tis opoies epidiwkoyme mesa apo eilikrinh synennohsh.

Ayto loipon den einai aplws desmeysh twrinh, einai to politiko antikrisma toy programmatos to opoio ekqesame ston Ellhniko Lao kai o Ellhnikos Laos mas timhse me thn empistosynh toy.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Kachs apo ton ALPHA.

Kos KACHS (ALPHA):

Kyrie Proedre, sthn omilia sas xqes kanate mia analytikh perigrafh twn pepragmenwn ths Kybernhshs, sta osa petyxate toys eji prwtoys mhnes ths Diakybernhshs.

Me ekplhjh eida oti den anaferete tipota gia toys symbasioyxoys, poy htan mia basikh proeklogikh sas yposxesh. Na ypoqesw oti h aposiwphsh ginetai ejhgeitai apo to gegonos oti den eiste idiaitera yperhfanos apo thn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei poy moiazei xawdhs, h yparxei allos logos poy aposiwphsate pantelws to qema twn symbasioyxwn;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Ma den to aposiwphsame giati einai ena qema to opoio exei apasxolhsei oxi mono thn koinh gnwmh alla kai thn Kybernhsh epaneilhmmena ki exoyme kanei epaneilhmmena topoqethseis sto zhthma.

Epi ths oysias. Qewrw oti to zhthma ayto einai ena akanqwdes zhthma, ena zhthma periploko apo th mia, alla kai me ena poly megalo koinwniko kostos, dioti polles xiliades anqrwpoi emenan omhroi, aixmalwtoi, mias politikhs h opoia htane stroyqokamhlikh kai, qa elega, proseggize ta oria ths politikhs apaths.

Dwsame lysh. Thn kalyterh dynath kai efikth lysh, mesa sta oria toy Syntagmatos, me th symfwnh gnwmh toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias. Doqhke h kalyterh dynath lysh. Apo kei kai pera bebaiws den antimetwpisthke oyte mporoyse na antimetwpistei me mia ryqmish to qema olwn aytwn twn anqrwpwn.

Yparxei kai h proqesh kai h anaggelia kai h diadikasia ths eynoikhs antimetwpish gia ekeinoys toy symbasioyxoys poy den kalyptei h ryqmish mesw ths meqodoy ths moriodothshs kai ayto qa akoloyqhsoyme.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Xiwths apo to BHMA.

Kos XIWTHS (BHMA):

Kyrie Proedre, as ypoqesoyme oti kapoios Ypoyrgos sas exei na stelexwsei mia qesh sthn kratikh mhxanh. Exei enan ypochfio me kommatikes pergamhnes me prosfora sto komma ki enan deytero ypochfio me elafrws kalytero biografiko. Poion qa ton symboyleyate na proslabei;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Kyrie Xiwth egw qewrw oti ena apo ta megalytera problhmata ths sygxronhs ellhnikhs koinwnias einai o ektetamenos kommatismos o opoios epikrathse eidika tis teleytaies dekaeties.

Qewrw loipon oti ayto einai ena apo ta aitia ths kakodaimonias eidika toy dhmosioy tomea kai toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea kai se ena baqmo kai aitio ths diafqoras. Giati qewrw oti telika h metriokratia, h anajiokratia, einai kai estia anaptyjhs ths diafqoras.

Pisteyw loipon kai to pisteyw baqia oti ta krithria me ta opoia ginontai kai prepei na ginontai oi epiloges einai tria: ``Ajia, Ikanothta kai Hqos''. Me ayta loipon ta krithria qa ton symboyleya sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

H kyria Spyrakh apo ton ALTER.

Ka SPYRAKH (ALTER):

Kyrie Proedre, dedomenoy oti opws eipate to Syntagma deixnei to dromo ths synaineshs gia thn epilogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Pws antimetwpizete thn endexomenh ypochfiothta toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy toy kyrioy Kwsta Shmith;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Kyria Spyrakh de qa mpw se zhthma sxoliasmoy onomatwn, sas eipa poia einai h qesh moy ayth thn wra.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Armenhs apo ton STAR.

Kos ARMENHS (STAR):

Kyrie Proedre, skefteste na allajete ton eklogiko nomo kai an nai pote; Giati exete pei oti tetoies allages kai syzhthseis den prepei na ginontai prin apo ekloges.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Den exei teqei tetoio zhthma, den einai ths epikairothtas. Mporei kapoia stigmh na anoijoyme to dialogo gi ayto to qema, alla den einai stis ameses proteraiothtes.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Galiatsatos apo TA NEA.

Kos GALIATSATOS (NEA):

Kyrie Proedre, qa epanelqw sto qema toy elikopteroy. Symfwnw mazi sas oti oi politikes eyqynes den metriontai me ton ariqmo twn nekrwn.

Alla edw yparxei mia politikh epopteia se ena Ypoyrgeio kai den einai to prwto pragma poy exei symbei. Eseis o idios sto parelqon mas legate oti bazete ton phxh chla, exete zhthsei paraithseis se poly pio aples synqhkes.

Qa hqela na jerw poy bazete ton phxh twn politikwn eyqynwn poy analambanei h Kybernhsh sas; Poy einai aytos o phxhs; Dioti mexri stigmhs se ola ta peristatika poy exoyn symbei se o,ti symbainei sthn Kybernhsh sas thn plhrwnoyn oi yphresiakoi paragontes. Eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Sas eipa poio einai to basiko krithrio. An yparxoyn politikes eyqynes prepei eyqews na apodidontai. Ektimw kai pisteyw oti den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes sto sygkekrimeno tragikotato anamfisbhthta symban.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

H kyria Triantafylloy apo ton SKAI.

Ka TRIANTAFYLLOY (SKAI):

Kyrie Proedre, eipate xtes sthn omilia sas oti qa anakhryjete to 2005 ``etos antagwnistikothtas ths ellhnikhs oikonomias''. Qa hqela na rwthsw pws pisteyete oti mporei na ayjhqei h antagwnistikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias xwris na yparjei allagh se qemata poy aforoyn thn agora ergasias kai sto synoliko kostos ths ergasias to opoio symperilambanei kai to kostos twn asfalistikwn eisforwn. Eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Katarxhn, na symfwnhsoyme oti to basiko zhtoymeno gia thn oikonomia mas einai na ginei pio antagwnistikh. Se ayth thn kateyqynsh exoyme hdh labei mia seira apo metra.

Kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh, kyriws, katateinoyn shmantikes nomoqetikes prwtoboylies poy erxontai sto amesws epomeno mellon. Kai einai prwton: H forologikh metarryqmish, me ta kinhtra poy qa exei gia ayjhmenh paragwgh.

Kai deyteron, o anaptyjiakos nomos. O opoios einai ayth thn stigmh antikeimeno enos eyrytatoy dialogoy me oles tis paragwgikes dynameis - kai qelw na shmeiwsete, edw, oxi mono toy kentroy alla kai ths ellhnikhs perifereias @ me stoxo na yphrethsei aytos o nomos to stoixeio ths antagwnistikothtas, alla synama thn enisxysh ths perifereias kai twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn.

Apo thn allh pleyra, h, opws exoyme ejaggeilei, epanidrysh toy kratoys, me alla logia oi tomes ston tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgei to kratos, h eyryterh Dhmosia Dioikhsh, akribws ekei katateinoyn. Giati einai ena apo ta megalytera problhmata.

To gegonos oti exoyme xamhlh antagwnistikothta, to gegonos oti h Ellada den einai, dystyxws mexri stigmhs, mia xwra elkystikh gia ependyseis, exei na kanei me thn leitoyrgia toy kratoys. Thn yperbolikh grafeiokratia, syxna ta fainomena diafqoras, kai oytw kaqejhs.

Kata synepeia, emeis eimaste etoimoi gia mia politikh h opoia odhgei se ayjhmenh antagwnistikothta. Kai se ayth thn bash syzhtoyme ola ta qemata me toys koinwnikoys etairoys.

Twra, apo ekei kai pera gia to zhthma ayto poy anaferate, to asfalistiko. Emeis ayth thn stigmh pisteyoyme oti prepei na efarmosoyme thn keimenh nomoqesia.

Kai pantws se kamia periptwsh, to qetw ayto ws zhthma arxhs, laqh politika h adynamies toy Kratoys den mporei na metakylyontai stoys oikonomika kai koinwnika asqenesteroys. Ayto einai politikh qesh thn opoia den eimai diateqeimenos, ep@ oydeni na parabiasw.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS :

O kyrios Sarantakos, apo to EQNOS.

Kos SARANTAKOS (EQNOS):

Thn Trith qa paei o prwhn Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias, o kyrios Miltiadhs Ebert, na kataqesei ston eisaggelea gia to qema toy xrhmatisthrioy.

Hqela na rwthsw an einai stis proqeseis sas kai an exete sygkekrimenh politikh epilogh na proxwrhsete sthn systash ejetastikhs epitrophs gia to qema toy xrhmatisthrioy, kati, poy an qymamai kala, apotelese mia apo tis basikes sas proeklogikes sas desmeyseis.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Exw pei epaneilhmmena, kyrie Sarantako, kai qa to epanalabw, mia poy moy qetete to erwthma, oti gyrw apo terastio zhthma tipota den diagrafetai kai tipota den paragrafetai.

Apo ekei kai pera ayth thn stigmh yparxei sygkekrimenh dikastikh ereyna h opoia trexei, ta porismata ths opoias qa ajiologhsoyme gia ta peraiterw bhmata. Den prepei na dhmioyrgeitai sygxysh apo to gegonos oti perimenoyme thn diejagwgh olwn twn nomikwn diadikasiwn gia na ftasoyme sthn telikh politikh apofash.

Den prepei na sygxeetai to gegonos oti paramenei basikos stoxos mas h dialeykansh tetoiwn ypoqesewn me thn politikh hpiwn tonwn poy akoloyqoyme. Yparxoyn zhthmata gia ta opoia prepei na apodoqoyn eyqynes.

Alla kai ayto to qema den mporei na tiqetai ws zhthma politikhs antiparaqeshs h rebansismoy. Tiqetai mono zhthma ths ajiopoihshs twn stoixeiwn poy anadeiknyei h anakrish, h epishmh dikastikh ereyna.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS :

O kyrios Trikas, apo th NET.

Kos TRIKAS (NET):

Kyrie Proedre, qa epanelqw ligo sto qema toy diorismoy stelexwn sthn kratikh mhxanh. Akoysa thn apanthsh sas me poly prosoxh, alla qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs.

O Ntengk Siao Pin eixe pei oti asprh gata, mayrh gata, den exei shmasia. Shmasia exei na pianei pontikia. O Ypoyrgos Ygeias paradexthke oti dialeje toys perissoteroys manatzer nosokomeiwn apo ton xwro ths kentrodejias.

Me poia apo tis dyo logikes eiste kai pws sxoliazete thn deyterh;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Akoyste, den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti se epipedo epiloghs proswpwn panta qa yparxoyn diafwnies. Gia logoys kaloproairetoys, kamia fora kai mh kaloproairetoys.

Qewrw, epishs, oti einai dedomeno oti ena apo ta stoixeia poy kaleitai kaneis na ekplhrwnei gia na mporesei na yphrethsei kaneis mia politikh swsta, idiws se epipedo politikwn epilogwn, einai kai o baqmos, sxetikhs toylaxiston, symfwnias mia politikh poy akoloyqeitai.

Dhladh, prwtos egw sas eipa oti h ajia, h entimothta kai h ikanothta einai ta basika xarakthristika. Alla an gia esas egw ekplhrw ayta ta krithria, omws diafwnw me thn politikh poy qelete na efarmosete, einai bebaio oti den mporei na me empisteyteite se mia neyralgikh qesh poy exei kai politika xarakthristika.

Omws, paramenei to gegonos oti se oles tis epiloges den proexei to politiko xarakthristiko. Allwste, apodeijh aytoy einai oti oi perissoteres diamartyries oi opoies dhmioyrgoyntai otan ginontai tetoies epiloges, proerxontai, telika, apo ton xwro ths Neas Dhmokratias.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Eyaggelioy, apo ton ADESMEYTO TYPO-RIZOY.

Kos EYAGGELIOY (ADESMEYTOS TYPOS@RIZOY):

Kyrie Prwqypoyrge, exete kat@ epanalhch taxqei kata ths diaplokhs kai yper ths diafaneias. Loipon, dedomenoy oti h drasthriopoihsh twn diaplekomenwn symferontwn dhmioyrgei problhmata sthn oikonomia alla kai sthn agora, ti exei prajei h ti qa prajei h Kybernhsh sas gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn fainomenwn;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Gnwrizete kala tis apoceis moy gia to qema. Oi apoceis moy aytes isxyoyn kai den exoyn allajei oyte kata keraia.

Sas qymizw oti thn apistia peri thn yphresia apo plhmmelhma thn kaname kakoyrghma. Katarghsame ton maqhmatiko typo me nomo, o opoios ayth thn ebdomada chfizetai sthn Boylh, ena kairio zhthma to opoio apasxoloyse kai apasxolei para poly ton eyrytero xwro twn dhmosiwn ergwn.

Triton, etoimazetai h nomoqetikh parembash apo ta Ypoyrgeia Dikaiosynhs kai Epikrateias gia ta qemata leitoyrgias twn Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs.

Tetarton, polles ypoqeseis parapemfqhkan ston Eisaggelea. Pempton, eidika sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, ginetai mia poly megalh prospaqeia epanadiapragmateyshs symbasewn poy qewroysame oti den htan oi pio symferoyses gia ton Ellhna forologoymeno.

Aplws qelw na tonisw to ejhs: H aparegklith stash mas, ta aisqhmata diafaneias den prepei na sygxeontai me kynhgi magisswn. Me alla logia, h Kybernhsh den exei oyte proswpikes diafores me proswpa, oyte logikes katadiwjhs anqrwpwn. H Kybernhsh exei ena basiko krithrio: th nomimothta.

Pisteyw oti h prwth kai shmantikoterh ``epanastash'' poy mporoyme na kanoyme ston topo mas, einai na sebomaste toys nomoys. Kai qematofylakas aytoy einai h Kybernhsh, h ekastote Kybernhsh. Se oti afora pantws thn dikh moy Kybernhsh epimenw se ayto akampta.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Roympos apo to MAKEDONIKO PRAKTOREIO EIDHSEWN.

Kos ROYMPOS (MAKEDONIKO PRAKTOREIO EIDHSEWN):

Kyrie Proedre, ap@ oti katalaba h politikh sas an qymhqoyme kai toys oroys poy xrhsimopoioyse o Andreas Papandreoy, einai h ``mh litothta kai mh paroxes''. Pote mporei na perimenei o kosmos oti qa parei, oti qa exei na kerdisei kati; Kai me thn eykairia eixate ejaggeilei oti qa qewroyntai polyteknes oikogeneies, oikogeneies me tria paidia. Ayto pote qa arxisei na isxyei;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Kyrie Roympo, sas eipa thn dikh moy proseggish kai thn proseggish ths Kybernhshs panw sto qema.

Exoyme na diaxeiristoyme mia dyskolh dhmosionomikh katastash, h opoia opws anadeiknyetai pia apo ta stoixeia, einai akoma dyskoloterh kai apo ayth poy problepame emeis. Xronia twra legame oti yparxei plasmatikothta sta emfanizomena stoys Proypologismoys, stoixeia. Ayth einai h alhqeia. Qa symfwnhsoyme loipon oti ayth thn alhqeia prepei na thn dexqoyme kai na thn antimetwpisoyme.

To deytero stoixeio einai oti epilegoyme na mhn thn antimetwpisoyme, an qelete, me synhqeis tropoys poy einai h prosfygh, eite se metra sok eite se forologikes epibarynseis, alla epilegoyme ton pio dyskolo dromo.

Qa moy epitrecete na pw pws qewrw oti aytos einai o dromos ths areths kai ths koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias, opoy mesa apo ton periorismo ths kratikhs spatalhs, th sygkrathsh twn dhmosiwn dapanwn, thn orqologikoterh diaxeirish twn dhmosiwn porwn kai bebaiws thn anaptyjh, qa antimetwpisoyme kai to dhmosionomiko problhma alla kai qa mpei h xwra se troxia anaptyjhs, ayjhmenhs antagwnistikothtas, proselkyshs ependysewn, ara kai ayjhshs ths apasxolhshs.

To programma to opoio exoyme paroysiasei kai exoyme desmeytei apenanti ston Ellhniko Lao isxyei sto akeraio. To eipa, to akoysate kai epi th eykairia ths erwthshs sas to epanalambanw. To programma ayto ejelissetai sthn diarkeia ths tetraetias.

Kata synepeia oles oi desmeyseis poy exoyme analabei qa thrhqoyn. Prepei na sas tonisw oti akoma kai me tis pragmatikes dhmosionomikes dyskolies kai toys periorismoys poy yparxoyn akoma kai fetos exoyn ginei kai qa ginoyn kai alles shmantikes kinhseis sthn kateyqynsh ths koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias. Proxeira sas anaferw mono thn poly shmantikh parembash gia ena agos pollwn etwn poy legotan panwtokia, alla kai alles.

Ki erxomai sto teleytaio qema poy qijate. Bebaiws yparxei h politikh mas desmeysh gia to zhthma twn polyteknwn oikogeneiwn. Hdh, kai to akoysate xqes, mia seira apo metra exoyn lhfqei kai lambanontai sto amesws prosexes mellon gia thn sxetikh anakoyfish aytoy toy tmhmatos ths Ellhnikhs Koinwnias.

Kai malista oxi mono me ton geniko xarakthrismo ths polyteknhs oikogeneias, alla me ton xarakthrismo ths oikogeneias me tria paidia, ws polyteknhs. Ayto bebaiws sthn plhrh toy efarmogh den mporei na ginei en mia nykti. Qelei xrono. O xronos aytos einai h diarkeia ths tetraetias, opws sas eipa prin.

Pantws, gia na kleisw, qewroyme oti bebaiws prepei na yparjei mia politikh dhmosionomikoy periorismoy. Gi@ ayto to logo prepei na eimaste eilikrineis, swstoi apenanti stoys polites, oloys toys polites, kai na poyme oti sto ameso mellon den mporoyme na pame se mia politikh megalwn taraxwn.

Prepei na thrhsoyme mia politikh h opoia qa antimetwpizei to dhmosionomiko problhma, alla h politikh ayth qa einai qarralea se metarryqmiseis kai hpia omws apenanti stoys polites. Den pisteyw ep@ oydeni oti lyseis sta oikonomika h to dhmosionomiko problhma mporoyn na odhgoyn sthn syrriknwsh twn misqwn twn ergazomenwn kai kata meizona logo twn syntajewn twn apomaxwn ths zwhs.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Roymeliwths apo th XWRA.

Kos ROYMELIWTHS (XWRA):

Kyrie Prwqypoyrge, ayth th stigmh yparxei h diaxyth pepoiqhsh enos anhleoys polemoy apo ta ``dika mas'' kai ``dika sas'' paidia kai ta ``jena paidia''.

Paradexthkate prin oti yparxoyn para polla parapona apo toys chfoforoys toy kommatos. Qa hqela na rwthsw loipon pws pisteyete oti qa antimetwpisete ton kindyno na exete apenanti sas oxi mono apo toys yposthriktes kai filoys toy prohgoymenoy kaqestwtos, alla kai apo thn idia thn paratajh sas poy blepoyn oi anqrwpoi na mh lambanontai sobara apo thn ekastote ejoysia.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Akoyste, qelw na jekaqarisw kati. Ejoysia - h an qelete Kybernhsh giati h lejh ejoysia me enoxlei - de shmainei mia symperifora h opoia xwrizei toys Ellhnes polites. Antilambanomai oti yparxoyn parapona, antilambanomai oti yparxoyn tosa polla kai malista systhmatika kaka prohgoymena, poy mporei na dhmioyrgoyn kai peirasmoys pros epanalhch.

Omws to strathgiko zhthma poy kaleitai kaneis na antimetwpisei kai na apanthsei eyqews einai ti kanei kalo sth xwra, ti kanei kalo sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. Otan eklegetai mia Kybernhsh, den eklegetai gia na ejyphrethsei sygkekrimenes omades anqrwpwn, oso kai an mporei na syndeetai mazi toys me koines idees, koines antilhceis. Kaleitai na yphrethsei to eqniko symferon kai oloys toys polites.

Qa sas elega malista oti opoy akoloyqhqhke h antiqeth logikh, me prosfato paradeigma thn idia thn Ellada twn teleytaiwn dekaetiwn, odhghqhkame se poly megalytera problhmata.

Qewrw oti ayto poy leme ypo thn eyreia ennoia toy oroy ``kommatismos'' einai mia apo tis basikoteres asqeneies ths kakodaimonias toy Ellhnikoy Kratoys. Ayto prepei na to antimetwpisoyme.

Kai pisteyw oti mesa apo thn antimetwpish aytoy toy fainomenoy, mesa apo thn empedwsh arxwn opws h ajiokratia, h entimothta, h anagnwrish ths ikanothtas kai ths ajias, apo ayto exoyn na kerdisoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites, opoia kai an einai h eklogikh toys epilogh kai h eklogikh toys symperifora.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Kampoyrakhs apo to radiofwno toy ANTENNA.

Kos KAMPOYRAKHS (ANTENNA RADIO):

Na sas rwthsw kati sygkekrimeno kyrie Proedre, epeidh ta genika exoyn erwthqei apo toys synadelfoys.

Diabasa xqes to keimeno ths omilias sas kai akoysa. Exei pragmata ta opoia exoyn hdh ginei kai pragmata poy qelete na kanete, ki epeidh milagame gia toys polyteknoys, mporeite na moy ejhghsete akribws ayth thn paroxh poy leei oti opoios exei tria paidia den paei fantaros, se poioys apeyqynetai, se poies hlikies, se poia strwmata; Se poia hlikia gennane dhladh oi anqrwpoi gia na leme oti den paei fantaros me tria paidia;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Profanws se hlikia strateysimh h en pash periptwsei stis hlikies ekeines poy toys afora amesa mia tetoia logikh.

Omws egw qelw na to dieyrynw kai na sas pw to ejhs: Mporei kaneis na symfwnei h na diafwnei me sygkekrimena metra, me sygkekrimenes politikes. Yparxei omws ena kentriko zhthma. Emeis qewroyme oti ta metra ayta ypagoreyontai kai apo logoys dhmografikoys, ena poly sobaro problhma gia thn Ellada, poy sas qymizw oti yparxei an qymamai kala omofwno porisma ths Ellhnikhs Boylhs gia thn antimetwpish toy dhmografikoy problhmatos, poy problepei kai th sthrijh ths polyteknhs oikogeneias.

Kai apo thn allh gia logoys profanoys koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias, qa elega kai koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs emeis kanoyme mia kentrikh epilogh, na paroyme metra ta opoia dieykolynoyn toys polyteknoys.

Ena apo ayta einai to metro poy anaferate. Den einai to shmantikotero, kai de sas krybw giati qelw na eimai apolyta eilikrinhs, oti einai ki apo ekeina poy den exoyn amesh dhmosionomikh epibarynsh, h opoia leitoyrgei toylaxiston se ayto to diasthma perioristika. Kai de qelw na lew cemata se kanenan, kyriws de qelw na dhmioyrgoyntai lanqasmenes entypwseis stoys polites.

Kinoymaste loipon se mia logikh sthn opoia symperilambanetai kai ayth h politikh epilogh kai ayto to metro, poy ep@ oydeni bebaiws den ejantlei thn anagkh gia gennaies politikes se sxesh me toys polyteknoys mia strathgikh epilogh mas poy opws sas eipa kai prin anadeiknyetai kai ejelissetai sth diarkeia ths tetraetias.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Oikonomoy apo ton AGGELIOFORO.

Kos OIKONOMOY (AGGELIOFOROS):

Kyrie Proedre na erqoyme ligo sta ths Qessalonikhs kai sto ti epizhtoyn oi polites apo thn eklogikh nikh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

Shmera h efhmerida mas exei mia dhmoskophsh poy egine liges meres prin erqete sthn ekqesh kai qa sas anaferw dyo pragmata ta opoia qa sas zhtoysa na ta sxoliasete.

To prwto exei na kanei me to baqmo ikanopoihshs twn Qessalonikewn gia to mexri stigmhs kybernhtiko ergo -ena pososto poy den jepernaei to 30%- isws kai giati exoyn akoysei xronia polla polles paxies yposxeseis.

Eseis pws eggyaste oti ta erga poy anakoinwsate thn Paraskeyh idiaitera to brady sthn omilia sas qa ginoyn stis hmeromhnies poy exete orisei;

To deytero afora th dikh sas megalh dhmotikothta, poy opws leei h dhmoskophsh paroysiazetai megalh dieisdytikothta stoys chfoforoys toy PASOK, panw apo 50%. Taytoxrona kai o Proedros toy PASOK exei megalh dieisdytikothta stoys dikoys sas chfoforoys, ligoterh bebaia apo oti h dikia sas.

Ti shmainei ayto; H polwsh exei teleiwsei h epibrabeyetai h politikh toy koinwnikoy kentroy;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Prepei na sas pw oti einai pagia arxh moy na mh sxoliazw dhmoskophseis.

Oxi giati den anagnwrizw th xrhsimothta toys, alla giati qewrw oti apo to ena akro ths apolyths aporrichs toys poy gia xronia isxye, den prepei na ftanoyme sto allo akro oxi aplws na tis qeopoioyme alla na ginontai kai odhgos twn politikwn epilogwn. Einai ena xrhsimo ergaleio poy synektimame.

Twra epi ths oysias. Qewrw oti oi Qessalonikeis ki oxi mono oi Qessalonikeis alla oi polites ths Boreias Elladas kai genikotera ths Ellhnikhs Perifereias, aisqanontai th dieyrynsh twn perifereiakwn anisothtwn twn teleytaiwn etwn kai ayto toys dhmioyrgei mia fysikh fortish.

Deyteron. Eidika h Qessalonikh, poy einai to bhma ejaggelias - opws kalh wra kaname xqes kai proxqes - ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, yfistatai ena prohgoymeno apisteyths qa elega anajiopistias.

Ta erga, oi desmeyseis poy ejaggellontai, epanejaggellontai einai antikeimena etsi pompwdwn yposxesewn kaqe xronia, fysiko loipon einai oi polites na antimetwpizoyn ola ayta me dyspistia, me kaxypocia, syxna kai me aganakthsh. Ayth einai mia pragmatikothta.

Twra gnwrizete kala oti th Qessalonikh kai th Boreia Ellada thn jerw kala. Kai gi ayto apofasisa, syntassontas ta mhnymata, thn omilia, na eimai para poly aysthros se ekeina poy mporoyn na ginoyn.

Sth syzhthsh xqes to meshmeri me toys paragwgikoys etairoys ths Qessalonikhs eteqhsan fysika kai polla alla qemata, aithmata, zhthmata poy exoyn sxesh me prosqetes paroxes h alles parembaseis h alla erga.

Toys eipa mia koybenta kai qelw na eiste ki eseis koinwnoi aytoy. Toys eipa ``ayta poy eipa einai poly-poly prosektika melethmena kai mas desmeyoyn. Akoyw me endiaferon prosqeta zhthmata, na ta melethsoyme, na ta koybentiasoyme alla desmeyseis parapanw den mporw na analabw''.

Sas to lew ayto dioti pisteyw akradanta me toys polites prepei kaneis na milaei thn glwssa ths alhqeias kai eilikrineias. Qewrw, loipon, oti pragmati prepei na ginoyn oysiastikes parembaseis sthn polh kai thn eyryterh perioxh poy exoyn kaqysterhsei hdh para poly.

Alla ayto den mporei na odhghsei kai se ena majimalismo o opoios den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta, stis pragmatikes dynatothtes kai bebaiws kapoia stigmh qa apokalyfqei oti den antapokrinotan kai stis eilikrineis proqeseis.

Ta erga, loipon, poy ejhggeila einai erga ta opoia qa ginoyn. Kai qewrw, opws allwste eipwqhke sta egkainia ths Ekqeshs thn Paraskeyh, oti qa ginoyn me orizonta thn oloklhrwsh toys to 2008. Kai se ayto qa epimeinoyme.

Twra, me rwtate pws mporei na to eggyhqei kaneis ayto. H eggyhsh einai h politikh boylhsh na ginoyn pragmatikothta ayta. Thn politikh boylhsh thn exoyme. Kai qa moy epitrecete na pw, thn exw.

Apo ekei kai pera prwtos egw, alla kai oloklhrh h Kybernhsh einai kaqhmerina ypo thn krish twn politwn kata poso qa antapokriqei stis desmeyseis ths. Kai ayth thn krish, ayth thn basano thn epizhtw.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS :

O kyrios Gewrgiadhs, apo thn MAKEDONIA.

Kos GEWRGIADHS (MAKEDONIA):

Opws antilambaneste, kyrie Proedre, exoyn erwthqei ta panta. Apomenei h ejwterikh politikh.

Einai, loipon, diaxyth sthn atmosfaira h entypwsh oti to qema ``yfalokrhpida'' exei oysiastika pagwsei. H toyrkikh pleyra, dia stomatos Erntogan, topoqetei to endexomeno na symbei kati ston tomea ayto to 2005, pantws oxi prin apo ton Dekembrh.

Einai epishs diaxyth h entypwsh oti polla melh ths E.E. alla kai me aixmh ton eyrwpaiko typo, idiaiterws ton bretaniko, egeiroyn sobara problhmata gia mia Toyrkia sthn Eyrwph kai gia politiko kai gia oikonomiko kostos.

H Gallia kai Rwsia, emfanws, den epiqymoyn thn Toyrkia na eiserxetai ston eyrwpaiko proqalamo, sthn kalyterh na parameinei ekei.

Erwtw. H Kybernhsh sas qa epimeinei qetika se hmeromhnia entajiakwn diapragmateysewn sthn Synodo Koryfhs ton Dekembrh; An nai, me ti antitimo; Kai me dedomeno oti h mikrh meiwsh, ekaterwqen, amyntikwn dapanwn einai ena mikro bhmataki, alla bebaiws den isofarizei to shmantiko ths diathrhshs twn ekkremothtwn.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Kyrie Gewrgiadh, na ta kanoyme apla ta pragmata.

Egw pisteyw oti mia eyrwpaikh Toyrkia einai pros to symferon olwn mas. Bebaiws toy toyrkikoy laoy, twn geitonwn ths, ths Elladas kai telika kai ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ayth einai h pepoiqhsh moy.

Dexomai oti mporei na yparxoyn diaforetikes apoceis. Alla den akoyw apo poyqena isxyrh epixeirhmatologia gia na pei kaneis ``oxi, h Toyrkia den prepei na mpei se eyrwpaiko dromo''.

Twra, bebaiws, den mporw egw na apanthsw gia logariasmo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs to kata poson, thn wra, thn krisimh wra, poy erxetai, ton Oktwbrio einai h ekqesh, an h Toyrkia ekplhrwnei kai se poio baqmo ola ta krithria.

Dexomai @ kai qelw kai ayto na sas to pw giati qelw na eimai eilikrinhs mazi sas @ oti h Kybernhsh Erntogan exei kanei mia sobarotath prospaqeia sthn kateyqynsh ayth. Alla menoyn kai alla pragmata na ginoyn. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia.

Omws, den qelw na mpw twra sto texniko qema giati ayto, etsi kai alliws qa apasxolhsei oxi mono emas, alla kai oloklhrh thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh toys erxomenoys mhnes.

Egw qelw na meinw sthn kentrikh epilogh. Qeloyme mia Toyrkia me eyrwpaikh prooptikh h oxi; Egw, loipon, lew jekaqara, oti protimoyme mia Toyrkia me eyrwpaikh prooptikh, h opoia qa proxwra ston dromo kai twn eswterikwn metarryqmisewn kai bebaia ths yioqethshs krithriwn symperiforas kai ston dieqnh xwroy poy synadoyn me to eyrwpaiko pneyma. Kai nomizw eimai apolyta safhs se ayto.

Twra, den qewrw oti to zhthma ths yfalokrhpidas, sto opoio anaferqhkate, prepei na antimetwpistei me thn logikh ths apokleistikhs proqesmias toy Dekembrioy.

Qa sas elega, malista, oti mia Toyrkia me eyrwpaikh prooptikh, piqanws, na einai isws kai pio ajiopistos synomilhths se ena tetoio qema.

Opws jerete synexizontai oi diereynhtikes synomilies. Den yparxei apotelesma. Kai oi dyo pleyres, oysiastika, emmenoyn stis qeseis toys.

Kai to erwthma poy tiqetai edw einai: epeidh den yparxei ejelijh ekei gia ena qema poy mas apasxolei perissotero apo 30 xronia, qa eprepe ayto na odhghsei sthn apokroysh ths eyrwpaikhs epiloghs ths Toyrkias; Gia na ta kanoyme apla ta pragmata. Den to eipate eseis @ oyte to apodidw se esas @ alla apo kapoies pleyres einai san na yponoeitai ayto.

Egw lew oxi, oxi akrita. Me sebasmo sto eyrwpaiko kekthmeno, me sebasmo sta krithria poy exei qesei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, sta opoia symperilambanetai kai o tropos poy mia xwra symperiferetai ston dieqnh ths perigyro, katarxhn, epilegw na sthrijw ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths Toyrkias.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS :

O kyrios Gkoytzanhs, apo ton FLASH kai ton KOSMO TOY EPENDYTH. Na epanalabw thn paraklhsh gia syntomh diatypwsh erwthsewn.

Kos GKOYTZANHS (FLASH @ KOSMOS TOY EPENDYTH)

Kyrie Proedre, qa moy epitrecete na epimeinw ligo sto dysaresto qema ths ptwshs toy elikopteroy. Exoyn perasei perissoteres apo 24 wres apo to tragiko dystyxhma kai akomh emeis oi dhmosiografoi kai kat@ epektash h koinh gnwmh, den exoyme enhmerwqei gia ta gegonota. Dhladh pote epese, pws epese, pote enhmerwqhkan oi armodioi, giati den enhmerwqhkan, poy antimetwpizontai oi oligwries; Yparxei kapoio keno sthn enhmerwsh h aplws akomh kai twra den gnwrizete ti exei ginei; Kai epishs o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras ti wra enhmerwqhke gia to symban;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Na jekaqarisoyme ta pragmata.

Prwta ap@ ola thn qesh ths Kybernhshs sas thn eipa, sas thn periegraca, den epanerxomai se ayto. Ayth th stigmh poy miloyme ejakoloyqei na yparxei ereyna gia to qema. Kai eimai bebaios oti poly syntoma qa yparxei kai epishmh enhmerwsh kai anakoinwsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

Se oti afora thn dikh moy enhmerwsh egine kata thn diarkeia ths synanthshs moy me toys Koinwnikoys Etairoys, tis paragwgikes tajeis opws legane paliotera, xqes to meshmeri sto Makedonia PALLAS.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Melissopoylos apo thn BRADYNH.

Kos MELISSOPOYLOS (BRADYNH):

Kyrie Proedre, prin apo dyo ebdomades oloklhrwqhkan oi Olympiakoi Agwnes sth xwra mas. Alla to megalytero meros twn syzhthsewn aforoyse to doping kai oxi thn diorganwsh.

Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean eseis eiste apofasismenos na emmeinete sthn epilogh toy prwtaqlhtismoy kai sthn paragwgh metalliwn h h Kybernhsh sas qa kanei strofh ston aqlhtismo;

Kai kati teleytaio ean sas enoxlhse proswpika h istoria me Kenterh @ Qanoy kai kyriws olo to skhniko poy sthqhke gyrw apo aythn;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Na jekinhsw apo to deytero. Na sas pw oti pisteyw pws, oxi mono emena alla oles tis Ellhnides kai oloys toys Ellhnes, olh ayth h istoria mas dhmioyrghse poly megalh odynh kai stenoxwria.

Sto genikotero zhthma poy qetete. Den nomizw katarxhn oti yparxei, toylaxiston me thn kalws nooymenh pleyra toy oroy, antifash anamesa sta dyo. Egw pisteyw katarxhn ston aqlhtismo. Pisteyw ston sxoliko aqlhtismo, pisteyw ston na exoyn kinhtra oi polites na asxoloyntai me ayton kai gia logoys eyejias alla kai dioti pisteyw oti einai apasxolhsh poy bohqa poly kai thn cyxikh isorropia.

Twra, einai bebaio, oti yparxei kai to zhthma twn epidosewn, toy prwtaqlhtismoy. Den mporei kaneis na ta apokocei ayta, ektos an aqleitai opws pisteyw eseis h egw, teleiws erasitexnika. Omws to qema einai otan kanoyme prwtaqlhtismo kata poson throyme kapoioys basikoys graptoys h kai agrafoys kanones.

Ekei loipon pisteyw oti h politeia prepei na dinei jekaqara ta mhnymata. Kamarwnw, opws fantazomai oloi mas, tis epityxies twn Ellhnwn aqlhtwn. Allwste se oti me afora, nomizw oti egine poly fanero ayto toys teleytaioys mhnes, isws kai kaq@ yperbolhn gia na kanw kai ligo aytokritikh.

Alla allo ayto kai allo h mesa apo, qa moy epitrecete na metaxeiristw enan bary oro, thn apath, thn anomia, thn diastreblwsh twn kanonwn toy paixnidioy, apopeira ``epityxias''. Qewrw loipon oti ekei h politeia mesa apo sobaro kai wrimo dialogo - exoyme hdh ejaggeilei thn systash diakommatikhs epitrophs se ayto - prepei na katalhjei me poion tropo qa ejafanisei h estw, gia na eimai metriopaqesteros, na elaxistopoihsei ayta ta fainomena.

Kai kanw ayth thn mikrh diakrish giati opws jerete, bebaiws mas enoxlhse poly to qema poy proekyce sthn diarkeia twn, kata ta alla, poly epityxhmenwn Olympiakwn Agwnwn ths Aqhnas, alla den einai ena qema poy apasxolei h apasxolhse mono thn Ellada, thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

Einai ena qema me genikoteres, dieqneis diastaseis, se para polles periptwseis yparxei genikeymeno tetoio fainomeno me ayto den epixeirw, mesa apo thn genikeysh toy, na meiwsw thn barythta poy exei gia emas.

Qewrw oti sto zhthma ayto prepei na ginei enas poly sobaros dialogos gia tis politikes kai ta metra poy qa isxyoyn gia ton aqlhtismo kai kyriws gia ta mhnymata poy dinoyme stoys neoys anqrwpoys poy asxoloyntai h qeloyn na asxolhqoyn me ayton.

Me sygxwreite poy lew ligo perissotera alla me pona kai proswpika to qema. Me thn ejhs ennoia: Qewrw oti oi epwnymoi aqlhtes ektos apo ola ta alla, einai protypa. Einai protypa gia toys neoys anqrwpoys. Kai protypa den prepei na einai mono logw ths swmatikhs rwmhs, ths taxythtas h twn epidosewn toys. Prepei na einai kai gia logoys symperiforas.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Tzhmas apo to AQHNAIKO PRAKTOREIO EIDHSEWN.

Kos TZHMAS (AQHNAIKO PRAKTOREIO EIDHSEWN):

Qa epanelqw sto Kypriako. Kaqws o Dekembrios plhsiazei kai to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio qa apofasisei gia thn hmeromhnia enarjhs twn diapragmateysewn gia thn entajh ths Toyrkias sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, h kypriakh pleyra wstoso de deixnei na exei jekaqarisei th qesh ths.

Ekeino poy den antelhfqhn ej oswn eipate prohgoymenws kyrie Prwqypoyrge einai ean h Ellada proxwrhsei monh ths, ean exei jekaqarisei poia einai h qesh ths, ean qa pei dhladh ``nai'' sthn hmeromhnia h qa syntaxqei sth bash ths pagias taktikhs ews twra oti h Kypros apofasizei kai h Ellada symparistatai.

Kai peite moy sas parakalw ep@ aytoy: Eiste ikanopoihmenos apo toys xeirismoys ths twrinhs Kypriakhs hgesias gyrw apo to kypriako qema;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Akoyste, oi basikes aytes arxes den allazoyn. Exoyme poly stenh synergasia me thn Kypriakh Kybernhsh. Me th shmerinh Kybernhsh, me opoia Kybernhsh yphrxe sthn Kypro, kai ayto isxyei gia oles tis Ellhnikes Kybernhseis.

Bebaiws ayto de shmainei oti emeis ypagoreyoyme ejwterikh politikh sthn Kypro, oyte to antistrofo. Eimaste se kalh synennohsh. Allwste qa moy epitrecete na pw oti ena epimaxo zhthma poy eteqh sth diarkeia twn diapragmateysewn sto Mpoyrgkenstok me thn prooptikh twn dhmochfismatwn htan kata poson h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh eprepe na epixeirhsei th xeiragwghsh as to poyme etsi, thn podhgethsh twn Kypriwn se sygkekrimenes symperifores.

Ki egw eipa jekaqara oti ayto den tiqetai ws zhthma. Emeis mporoyme na poyme thn apoch mas, syzhtame me thn Kypriakh Hgesia, to synolo ths Kypriakhs hgesias, prwtistws thn Kybernhsh alla kai me ola ta Kommata, alla oi Kyprioi prepei na apofasizoyn eleyqera. Kai eimai eytyxhs poy bohqhsame sto na epiteyxqei ayto.

Apo thn allh pleyra epeidh to syndeete me to zhthma twn apofasewn toy Dekembrioy apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, sas eipa poia einai h dikh moy epilogh. Egw lew oti sthrizoyme ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo. Thn sygkekrimenopoihsh ayths ths symperiforas de mporw akoma na sas thn pw, dioti se ena baqmo toylaxiston synartatai me thn ekqesh poy qa kanei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kat@ arxhn ton Oktwbrio poy mas erxetai.

Egw loipon ekeino poy sas lew einai oti se epipedo strathgikhs epiloghs pisteyw oti einai ofelos mia Toyrkia poy exei eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo. Apo kei kai pera, ta praktika zhthmata qa ta doyme sthn poreia. Den eimai ekeinos o opoios ypagoreyei ejwterikh politikh stoys Kyprioys. Eimaste se diarkh stenotath synergasia me thn Kypriakh politikh hgesia.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Diakopoylos apo thn ISOTIMIA.

Kos DIAKOPOYLOS (ISOTIMIA):

Kyrie Proedre, anaferqhkate xqes stis apokratikopoihseis kai sth meiwsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn twn kerdwn twn epixeirhsewn, alla ston epixeirhmatiko kosmo ths xwras paramenoyn dyo apories.

Kat@ arxhn gia tis apokratikopoihseis an yparxei sygkekrimeno sxedio me sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma kai sygkekrimenes proteraiothtes, ektos apo to Taxydromiko Tamieythrio kai thn Olympiakh Aeroporia.

Kai oson afora thn meiwsh twn syntelestwn twn forologikwn kerdwn twn epixeirhsewn an qa isxysei ayto kai gia ta dianemomena kerdh stoys Metoxoys.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Na jekinhsoyme apo to deytero. Yparxei safes jekaqarisma sto programma basei toy opoioy chfisthkame apo ton Ellhniko lao. Ayto qa isxysei.

H monh sygkekrimenopoihsh einai oti oi meiwseis twn syntelestwn qa ginoyn sth diarkeia trietias. Qa epiqymoysa prwtos egw na mporoyn na ginoyn se plhrh ektash amesa, omws, apo thn wra poy exoyme ena sobaro dhmosionomiko problhma kai den epilegoyme na katafygoyme se epibolh forwn h se ektakta koinwnika enoxlhtika metra, prepei kaneis kai th forologikh metarryqmish na thn kanei men plhrh alla ligo pio aneptygmenh mesa sto baqos mias trietias.

Se o,ti afora tis apokratikopoihseis, sas edwsa me thn omilia moy kapoia endeiktika paradeigmata. Den anaferate gia paradeigma oti milhsa gia thn symmetoxh toy idiwtikoy tomea akoma kai se megaloys organismoys ypodomhs, limania, aerodromia kai oytws kaqejhs. H sthn anafora poy kaname gia thn prowqhsh enos neoy qesmikoy plaisioy gia erga sygxrhmatodothshs kai aytoxrhmatodothshs.

Apo kei kai pera h genikh diaqesh kai topoqethsh einai na proxwrhsoyme se apokratikopoihseis, sto baqmo omws poy diasfalizetai apolyta h diafaneia, se baqmo poy yparxei synennohsh me toys ergazomenoys, se baqmo opoy epilegoyme to eqnika, koinwnika kai oikonomika wfelimo se kaqe peristash. Aytos einai odhgos mas.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Makrhs apo thn ELEYQERIA Larishs.

Kos MAKRHS (ELEYQERIA):

Proeklogika kyrie Prwqypoyrge eixate desmeytei polles fores gia apokatastash twn adikiwn toy programmatos Kapodistria sthn Aytodioikhsh. Eixate milhsei malista gia topika dhmochfismata. Qelw na sas rwthsw pote qa anoijete ton fakelo Kapodistria; Kai den fobaste mhpws oi opoies allages anoijoyn jana toys askoys toy Aioloy sthn ellhnikh perifereia;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Akoyste, einai antikeimeno epejergasias, ayth thn wra, sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Kai qa exoyme poly syntoma parembash sto qema ayto.

Bebaiws, ofeilw na eimai apolyta eilikrinhs kai na pw oti ena apo ta krithria poy prepei na labei kaneis ypoch toy einai to oti dierreyse mia ejaetia, pia. Poy shmainei oti den allazei to zhthma arxwn, alla exei allajei, se ena baqmo toylaxiston, h pragmatikothta.

Einai teleiws diaforetikh h antimetwpish toy zhthmatos thn hmera poy egine, h en pash periptwsei se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma, meta apo thn ryqmish ayth, kai allo na pas na anatreceis synolika, toylaxiston, mia pragmatikothta poy exei arxisei, pia, na exei stoixeia pagiwshs.

Pantws etoimazetai sygkekrimenh parembash toy armodioy Ypoyrgeioy gia to qema.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS :

O kyrios Kakalhs, apo ton RIZOSPASTH.

Kos KAKALHS (RIZOSPASTHS)

Kentrikos stoxos ths politikhs sas, eipate xqes, to epanalabate kai shmera, einai h ayjhsh toy Eqnikoy Proiontos@.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Fantazomai oti qa diafwnhsoyme twra.

Kos KAKALHS (RIZOSPASTHS):

Einai h ayjhsh toy Eqnikoy Proiontos, wste sthn synexeia na yparjei dikaioterh katanomh.

Gnwrizete, bebaia, oti thn prohgoymenh oktaetia to Eqniko Proion ayjhqhke kata 40%. Alla h symmetoxh twn ergazomenwn, twn misqwtwn kai twn syntajioyxwn se ayto htan poly xamhlh, htan cixoyla. Arkei na anaferoyme oti shmera me teleytaia symbash ths G.S.E.E. o katwtatos misqos einai 560 eyrw, enw to merokamato einai 25 eyrw.

Epishs, se ayth thn bash giati loipon, kai genikotera to xasma toyto ths ftwxeias qa exei megalwsei, giati loipon na pistecoyme tis ejaggelies sas peri dikaioterhs katanomhs apo thn stigmh poy synexizete thn idia politikh.

Kai, dhladh, dinete ayjhseis sta oria toy plhqwrismoy kai to EKAS ena eyrw thn hmera ayjhsh, einai ayth poy exete yposxeqei kai oi emmesoi foroi paramenoyn kai oi apokratikopoihseis synexizontai kai h paideia kai h ygeia einai akriboteres.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Den diafwnoyme, telika, toso poly, oso fantazomoyn. Mallon egw den diafwnw toso me esas, eseis diafwneite perissotero mazi moy.

Akoyste, yparxei mia sygkekrimenh pragmatikothta. Thn opoia, h Kybernhsh den qelei na ejapata toys polites h na dhmioyrgei esfalmenes entypwseis, prepei kai na paroysiasei me eilikrineia alla kai na antimetwpisei, na diaxeiristei praktika.

Qa mporoysa na sas apanthsw legontas oti polles alles Kybernhseis, me diaforetika shmeia, an qelete, ideologikhs afethrias, me oroys, dhladh, palaioteroys @ sas eipa toys qewrw jeperasmenoys alla gia logoys eykolias sthn syzhthsh mas @ ``sosialistikes'' h mh sthn Eyrwph qa katefeygan se teleiws diaforetikes politikes kai to ekanan para polles fores. Dhladh, drastikes perikopes sto eisodhma twn ergazomenwn, mazikes apolyseis h alla pragmata.

Emeis epilegoyme na mhn to kanoyme ayto. Kai den to kanoyme giati pisteyoyme oti den ejyphretei telika oyte ton stoxo ths oikonomikhs anaptyjhs, alla kai giati qewroyme ws bash arxhs oti den mporei laqh politika na fortwnontai monimws stis plates eidika twn asqenesterwn melwn mias koinwnias.

Twra, qa hmoyn o eytyxesteros na mporoysa na anaggeilw mia politikh gennaiwn ayjhsewn, h an qelete, me thn kalh ennoia toy oroy, mia politikh paroxwn. Ofeilw na eimai eilikrinhs kai mazi sas kai me oloys toys polites kai na pw oti ayto toyth thn wra einai anefikto.

Ekeino poy prepei na epidiwjoyme einai mesa apo domikes metarryqmiseis, mesa apo thn ayjhsh toy paragomenoy proiontos, mesa apo politikes poy akoma kai sthn diarkeia toy egxeirhmatos dhmosionomikhs ejisorrophshs den qa peftoyn stis plates twn koinwnika asqenesterwn.

Na petyxoyme mia oikonomia kai telika mia oikonomia h opoia qa genna perissotero, qa dinei perissoteres eykairies, qa epitrepei pio gennaies koinwnikes politikes. Aytos einai o stoxos, ayto einai to sxedio, ayto einai to programma, ayto yphretoyme.

Se epipedo diapistwsewn, loipon, mporei na symfwnoyme h na mhn apexei toso poly h apoch mas. To qema einai otan diaxeirizesai mia sygkekrimenh pragmatikothta poia politikh epilegeis gia na odhghseis ayto poy qewreis swsto.

Kai egw qewrw, to pisteyw apolyta, oti h proseggish poy kanoyme einai h swsth. Me hremo tropo, me eilikrineia, xwris aifnidiasmoys, xwris qerapeies sok, me perigrafh stoys polites poia einai ta pragmatika problhmata, alla kai qetontas toys ena sygkekrimeno stoxo, ton opoio yphretoyme me sigoyria, qewrw oti einai to swstotero mhnyma se mia koinwnia poy panw apo ola exei anagkh na anakthsei thn metajy mas empistosynh.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS :

O kyrios Katsenos, apo ton ELEYQERO.

Kos KATSENOS (ELEYQEROS):

Kyrie Proedre mas eipate prin apo ligo ti qa kanete gia thn periptwsh toy Xrhmatisthrioy.

Yparxoyn omws kai polles periptwseis poy aforoyn promhqeies sto dhmosio tomea, periptwseis oi opoies exoyn xarakthristei skandalo pollwn disekatommyriwn. Arketes apo aytes hdh briskontai kai sto epipedo ths diereynhshs apo tis Eisaggelikes Arxes.

Qa zhthsete thn taxyterh diereynhsh kai dialeykansh aytwn twn ypoqesewn, oytws wste epiteloys na ftasoyn kai sthn Boylh;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Nomizw oti to exw kalycei apo prohgoymena. Aplws qa sas pw oti -gia ola isxyei ayto- qeloyme thn taxyterh dynath diekperaiwsh aytwn twn ereynwn poy ginontai ayth th stigmh. Oxi mono gia logoys diadikastikoys stoys opoioys anaferqhkate eseis, alla panw apo ola, gia na jerei h Koinwnia, oi Polites ti exei symbei, ti pragmatika symbainei. Deyteron na sas pw kai kati akoma. Qewrw oti to kyrio baros ths prospaqeias, toy xronoy kai ths energeias ayths ths Kybernhshs prepei na odeyei, na koitaei pros to ayrio kai oxi sto xqes.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Aggelhs apo thn KYRIAKATIKH ELEYQEROTYPIA.

Kos AGGELHS (KYRIAKATIKH ELEYQEROTYPIA):

An katalaba kala, apantwntas se prohgoymenh erwthsh mas dwsate xrono triwn @ tessarwn etwn osoi apo emas prolabainoyme na ginoyme polyteknoi kai na apolaysoyme ta pleonekthmata ayths ths kathgorias.

Alla ayth h ``hpia prosarmogh'' opws thn xarakthrisate, ``toynel'' to lene kapoioi alloi, poso xrono diarkesei; Qa einai dyo xronia, qa einai tria xronia, qa einai oloklhrh h tetraetia; Pote teleiwnei, dhladh, ayth h dhmosionomikh prosarmogh;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Sas eipa katarxhn kai qelw na to epanalabw, oti ginetai me poly prosektiko tropo wste na mhn qigoyn oi oikonomika kai koinwnika asqenesteroi.

Apo ekei kai pera, o sxediasmos einai mesa se ena xrono to dhmosionomiko elleimma na exei pesei katw apo 3% poy einai kai to orio ths symfwnoy staqerothtas ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, h kalytera twn xwrwn poy symmetexoyn sthn Eyrwzwnh.

Apo ekei kai pera ayto den shmainei bebaiws oti mporei na paei kaneis thn epomenh mera se mia politikh alogistwn paroxwn. Aplws h antimetwpish se prwth fash toy ojews dhmosionomikoy problhmatos anamfisbhthta epitrepei mia sxetika xalaroterh politikh.

Qa sas elega loipon, oti ekeino poy qelw na exete sto noy sas einai: Ayta ta pragmata phgainoyn bhma-bhma. Kaqe bhma ejygianshs dhmosionomikhs kai anaptyjiakhs proodoy beltiwnei tis synqhkes gia na anebazei kaneis ton phxh alla kai to ependyomeno proion se koinwnikes politikes.

Pantws prepei na sas pw kati. Epimenw sthn logikh ths tetraetias giati to programma mias Kybernhshs ayth thn diarkeia exei. Den einai dynaton ola ta pragmata poy ginontai h mporei na ginontai na ginontai mesa sto prwto ejamhno h ston prwto xrono.

H oloklhrwmenh efarmogh enos programmatos problepetai sthn diarkeia ths qhteias ths ekastote Kybernhshs. Kai basei aytoy krinetai kiolas.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Geromatakhs apo to TRT.

Kos GEROMATAKHS (TRT):

Kyrie Proedre, qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Kata thn diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy en pollois to apotelesma to kaqorise kai h kaqhmerinothta me kyriarxh, an qelete, thn syzhthsh poy egine ekeinh thn periodo sto qema ths akribeias.

Eji mhnes twra sthn Kybernhsh ths xwras eiste ikanopoihmenos apo thn maxh poy exei dwsei h Kybernhsh sas se ayto ton tomea; Nomizete oti qa mporoyse na ginei kati kalytera h einai plasmatikh h eikona poy exoyme oloi oti h Kybernhsh sas stekete amhxanh mprosta sto problhma;
Eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Qewrw oti einai enas apo toys tomeis poy eixame poly shmantikh epityxia, alla bebaiws einai tetoio to qema poy oi epityxies den anagnwrizontai.

Kai na sas pw giati to lew. Den einai mono oti prowqhqhkan qesmika kapoia poly pragmata opws einai h enisxysh ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy. Enisxysh isws einai kai plasmatikos oros giati sthn oysia ypoleitoyrgoyse se baqmo mh leitoyrgias. De mporeis na milas loipon gia eleyqerh kai anoixth oikonomia, an den yparxoyn ekeinoi oi qesmoi oi opoioi epiblepoyn to qemito toy antagwnismoy. O nomos kai h thrhsh toy nomoy, o sebasmos stoys kanones toy paixnidioy einai h bash gia na leitoyrghsei mia eleyqerh oikonomia.

To deytero einai h ejairetika syntomh prospaqeia se epipedo kratikwn elegxwn. Dioti kalh einai h eleyqerh oikonomia, alla to kratos mporei na mhn prepei na einai paragwgos, ofeilei omws na exei isxyrh paroysia gia na prostateyei ta symferonta toy polith, toy forologoymenoy, toy katanalwth.

Kai to gegonos oti exoyme enan plhqwrismo o opoios einai arketa xamhloteros apo ton problepomeno apokta akoma megalyterh ajia an analogistei kaneis oti eixame mia ekrhjh stis times petrelaioy, poy einai prwtognwrh toylaxiston gia ta teleytaia xronia.

Ti shmainei ayto; Oti h politikh ayth apodidei. Bebaiws ayto de mporei na einai antikeimeno epanapayshs. Dioti h maxh me thn akribeia dinetai kaqhmerina kai prepei na dinetai kaqhmerina. Qewrw omws oti ta prwta deigmata kai ta apotelesmata ths politikhs apedwsan, poy mas dinei an qelete kai to enaysma na epimeinoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh akoma perissotero.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Papagiannhs apo thn APOFASH.

Kos PAPAGIANNHS (APOFASH):

Kyrie Proedre, sthn persinh synenteyjh typoy -isws to qymaste, isws oxi- sas eixa rwthsei gia ton prwto nomo poy qa perasei h nea Kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias etsi opws eseis th xarakthrizate. Moy eixate pei loipon kai eixate desmeyqei kai se proeklogikes sas omilies oti o prwtos nomos qa aforoyse thn perifhmh ypoqesh toy basikoy metoxoy.

Mexri stigmhs o basikos metoxos den exei perasei akoma apo th Boylh kai symfwna me ta dika sas legomena xqes den ton onomasate, anaferqhkate aplws se sygkrish me th diafaneia.

Ayto poy exei shmasia kai mas endiaferei na mas apanthsete einai to ejhs: Giati kata th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy h Nea Dhmokratia anebaze ton phxh ths sygkroyshs me organwmena symferonta kai gia poion logo apo thn 7h Martioy kai meta h Kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias oxi mono den anebazei ton phxh, alla to Ypoyrgeio Politismoy kaqws epishs kai to Ypoyrgeio PEXWDE oysiastika primodotoyn epixeirhmaties kai ergolaboys toys opoioys eseis kapote katonomazate ws organwmena @symferonta@;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Na jekaqarisoyme kati. Apanthsa hdh prohgoymenws, alla exei kapoies leptes ptyxes. Egw oydepote estrafhn kata proswpwn kai den to kanw ayto gia logoys arxhs. Strefomai enantion fainomenwn kai se ayta eimai ametakinhtos.

Milhsate gia Ypoyrgeio Dhmosiwn Ergwn. To Ypoyrgeio Dhmosiwn Ergwn einai ayto to opoio sxedon amesws meta tis ekloges prowqhse kai chfizetai ayth thn ebdomada h katarghsh toy maqhmatikoy typoy.

Den einai ayth mia oysiastikh parembash ejygianshs; Egw qewrw oti ayto einai tomh megalh. Poly megalh tomh. Kai qa fanei sthn prajh ta epomena xronia.

Milhsate gia ta zhthmata MME. Apo tis prwtes meres ths neas Diakybernhshs jekinhse h epejergasia aytoy toy nomoy. Mporei se kapoia synanthsh sas me ton kyrio Papalhgoyra h me ton kyrio Royssopoylo na zhthsete perissoteres dieykriniseis. Erxetai ayto mesa se ayto to Fqinopwro, mesa sto Fqinopwro toy 2004.

Kata synepeia eykola kaneis mporei na dhmioyrgei entypwseis, omws edw to zhthma poy tiqetai einai kata poson yparxei politikh boylhsh na mpei tajh sta fainomena ayta, na ginei epiteloys sebasth h nomimothta se ayth th xwra kai ayto qa to kanoyme. Xwris epanalambanw na afhnoyme entypwseis oti kynhgame magisses h oti exoyme proswpika me sygkekrimena proswpa.

To problhma sthn Ellada - to eipa kai prin kai qelw na to epanalabw - einai na baloyme kanones sto paixnidi kai kyriws aytoys toys kanones na toys throyme. H Kybernhsh ayth ayto qa to prajei.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Kollatos apo to QESSALIA TV.

Kos KOLLATOS (QESSALIA TV):

Kyrie Proedre, ton Marth toy 2004 proeklogika eixate desmeytei apo th Larisa gia thn ylopoihsh toy odikoy ajona E65, enos kaqetoy ajona poy syndeei thn Egnatia me ton PAQE. Thn epomenh twn Eyrweklogwn o syntopiths mas Qessalos Ypoyrgos PEXWDE me arketh eilikrineia mas eipe oti einai sth nhpiakh hlikia to ergo kai dyskola qa ylopoihqei mesa apo to G@ KPS.

Thn Paraskeyh to brady mas eipate oti mexri to 2008 h Egnatia kai oloi oi kaqetoi ajones ths qa ylopoihqoyn. Epeidh sthn Ellhnikh Perifereia exoyme koyrastei na eimaste qeates logwn kai akroates ergwn qelw na rwthsw an pragmatika apotelei proteraiothta gia thn Kybernhsh sas aytos o ajonas. Eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Xairomai gia thn erwthsh, na kanoyme mia dieykrinish edw, ta erga poy anefera thn Paraskeyh aforoyn th Qessalonikh kai ton eyrytero xwro ths Makedonias kai ths Qrakhs, den aforoyn olh thn Ellhnikh Perifereia.

Alimono an htan etsi. Yparxoyn ki alles megales proteraiothtes poy th stigmh poy prepei - h an qelete gia th sygkekrimenh periptwsh gia thn opoia syzhtate piqanotata se mia synanthsh mas sth Qessalia qa eipwqoyn. Nai, paramenei stis proteraiothtes ths Kybernhshs. Ekeino poy perimenw apo to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosiwn Ergwn einai na moy dwsei to akribes xronodiagramma, alla kai ton tropo xrhmatodothshs toy.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Moyssas apo thn AJIA.

Kos MOYSSAS (AJIA):

Yparxoyn kyrie Prwqypoyrge Kybernhtika Stelexh kai Dioikhtes Organismwn poy den einai ``semnoi kai tapeinoi'' opws exete zhthsei; Kai an nai, an isxyei gi aytoys h rhsh @oydeis anantikatastatos@.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Akoyste, sto men diapistwtiko skelos den exw kati ayth th stigmh poy qa mporoysa na to paroysiasw ws sygkekrimenh eyqynh.

Allwste jerete ayto panw ap@ ola einai kati to opoio prepei na to ypagoreyei h syneidhsh soy, h nootropia soy, o tropos zwhs soy, h antilhch poy exeis gia ta pragmata. Den einai kat@ anagkhn kati poy ginetai eykola antikeimeno diataghs h odhgias. Bebaiws einai ena krithrio poy gia mena einai para poly shmantiko.

To deytero poy eipate profanws isxyei, oydeis anantikatastatos.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Apostolidhs apo to DELTA TV.

Kos APOSTOLIDHS (DELTA TV):

Pws ermhneyete kyrie Proedre th qeamatikh metastrofh ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas ths Qrakhs stis teleytaies dyo eklogikes anametrhseis yper ths Neas Dhmokratias;

Kai parallhla pws skefteste na katoxyrwqei ayto apo thn Kybernhsh se o,ti afora thn perifereiakh anaptyjh ths Qrakhs se syndyasmo me thn diasynoriakothta ths perioxhs, alla parallhla kai me thn anagkh na diaxyqei h wfeleia h oi wfeleies ths anaptyjhs stis eypaqeis koinwnika omades kai genikotera stoys katoikoys ths Qrakhs; Eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Akoyste, epeidh to syndesate me eklogikes symperifores qa sas pw oti den exw tetoia krithria.

Kai en pash periptwsei den blepw kamia diafora apo to oti metestrafh h eklogikh symperifora se para polles perioxes ths xwras poy paradosiaka eqewroynto oti den einai toso filikes pros th Nea Dhmokratia oi eklogikes toys epiloges.

Loipon den einai ayto krithrio. Krithrio einai oti h Qrakh prepei na paei mprosta giati einai ena kommati ths Ellhnikhs Perifereias poy exei meinei poly pisw, einai jekaqaro ayto, kyriws sth logikh thn anaptyjiakh twn megalwn domikwn parembasewn.

Deytero zhthma h Ellada den exei na fobhqei tipota, einai mia eleyqerh koinwnia, mia Dhmokratia, sebetai oloys toys polites anejarthtws qrhskeymatos h opoiasdhpote allhs diakrishs, kata synepeia mas endiaferei oi moysoylmanoi sympolites mas na symmetexoyn sthn anaptyjh kai sthn proodo.

Qa qymaste isws oti proeklogika paroysiasame ena sygkekrimeno programma poy afora kai toys moysoylmanoys sympolites mas to opoio qa to thrhsoyme. Kata synepeia qa elega oti ayta poy exoyme pei gia to qema ayto isxyoyn kai gia thn Qrakh kai gia ton moysoylmaniko plhqysmo, alla den syndeontai oyte me eklogikes symperifores, oyte me krithria h kinhtra poy exoyn tetoia afethria.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS :

O kyrios Stamatopoylos, apo to KERDOS.

Kos STAMATOPOYLOS (KERDOS):

Kyrie Proedre, ena megalo pososto epixeirhsewn kai kyriws mikromesaiwn exoyn shmantika oikonomika problhmata. Briskontai se mia fash yperdaneismoy apo tis trapezes kai adynamias na synacoyn nea daneia logw toy yperdaneismoy.

Ti skopeyete; Qa kanete kapoia parembash ston trapeziko tomea h qa afhsete thn agora na ryqmisei thn ejelijh ths ypoqeshs;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Qa moy epitrecete na pw, hdh kaname mia poly shmantikh parembash, epeidh milhsate gia yperxrewsh, lynontas ena epimaxo zhthma, ta panwtokia. Ayto hdh einai mia poly megalh politikh epilogh h opoia efarmosthke. Den einai ejaggelia.

Einai kati to opoio tyrannoyse epi dekaeties para polloys sympolites mas. Dyo kathgories htan oi xeirotera plhttomenes apo ayto, oi mikromesaioi kai oi agrotes gia toys opoioys dinetai mia poly megalh diejodos.

Apo ekei kai pera pairnoyme sygkekrimena metra gia thn sthrijh twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn. Orismena exoyn hdh lhfqei. H energopoihsh toy Tameioy Eggyodosias, gia paradeigma, poy einai poly isxyro oplo sthrijhs. Dhladh, einai ena tameio to opoio qa eggyatai ton daneismo mikrhs h mesaias epixeirhshs.

To gegonos oti dieyrynoyme thn symmetoxh twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn sto G@ Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs, to gegonos oti symperilambanoyme thn symmetoxh se koinotika programmata twn emporikwn mikrwn kai mesaiwn epixeirhsewn, einai hdh shmantikes kinhseis.

Kai bebaiws, ekeino to opoio einai twra antikeimeno epejergasias kai mesa, fantazomai, stis arxes fqinopwroy, na paroysiastei, einai, opws sas eipa kai prin, h forologikh metarryqmish kai o neos anaptyjiakos nomos, poy exoyn kai ta dyo ws kentriko xarakthristiko thn prospaqeia tonwshs ths mikromesaias epixeirhshs.

Kai ayto ginetai gia ena poly basiko logo. Giati qewroyme oti h anaptyjh me ta xarakthristika ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kyriws prepei na sthrixqei sthn anqhsh twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn.

Opws epishs kai dyo alla krithria poy exoyme: Prwton h perifereia, h diaqesh ths anaptyjhs sthn perifereia. Eipa kai prin oti twra einai h wra ths perifereias gia emas.

Kai deyteron, sthn katapolemhsh ths anergias. Sthn ayjhsh, dhladh, ths apasxolhshs.

Na eiste, loipon, bebaios oti qa kanoyme o,ti pernaei apo to xeri mas gia na sthrijoyme thn drash twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS :

O kyrios Pyridonidhs, apo thn QESSALONIKH.

Kos PYRIDONIDHS (QESSALONIKH):

H xqesinh mera, htan apofras, bebaia, gia thn Ellada kai thn Orqodojia, alla mhn jexname oti prin apo tria xronia eixame ta tragika gegonota ths 11hs Septembrioy stis HPA.

Prin apo mia bdomada akoysa ton Amerikano Proedro sto synedrio toy kommatos toy, na milaei kai na leei me parrhsia oti meta ton agwna poy exei kanei kata ths tromokratias, badizoyme, pleon, se pio asfalh kosmo.

Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an symmerizeste thn apoch toy kai an pisteyete oti o agwnas kata ths tromokratias mporei na ginetai me eisboles kai me prolhptika xtyphmata.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Akoyste, den symmetexw sthn eklogikh maxh ths sygkekrimenhs xwras poy eipate. Kata synepeia den tiqetai diko moy zhthma an symfwnw, me tis opoies diapistwseis kanei o enas ypochfios h o allos.

Egw qa sas pw oti o kosmos ton opoio zoyme exei sygkekrimena problhmata, den yparxei kamia amfibolia, poy xreiazontai antimetwpish. Kai h antimetwpish ayth exei na kanei, bebaiws, me thn staqerh kai sqenarh antimetwpish twn fainomenwn ths tromokratias, alla kai synama kai me dyo akoma zhthmata.

Thn prospaqeia amblynshs twn megalwn koinwnikwn anisothtwn poy yparxoyn kai apo thn allh pleyra thn prospaqeia gia thn ejeyresh twn perissoterwn dynatwn shmeiwn synennohshs kai synaineshs gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn qematwn.

Aytes einai oi arxes tis opoies presbeyei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh, qa sas elega presbeyei genikotera h Ellada. Kai se aytes tis arxes tis opoies epaneilhmmena exoyme pei, kai se tetoies eykairies alla kai ston dieqnh perigyro, se aytes emmenoyme.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS :

O kyrios Kantirhs, apo thn thleorash HMAQIA kai RADIO NAOYSA.

Kos KANTHRHS (HMAQIA @ RADIO NAOYSA):

Kyrie Proedre, shmera eimai poly xaroymenos. Meta apo 15 xronia gemisan ta mikrofwna Ellada. Einai shmantiko na akoygontai oles oi fwnes twn synadelfwn apo olh thn epikrateia. Sygxarhthria, agaphte synadelfe.

Qelw na staqw sto qema toy toyrismoy.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

To synadelfe, phgaine ston k. Royssopoylo, fantazomai. Den einai pia.

Kos KANTHRHS (HMAQIA @ RADIO NAOYSA):

Qelw na staqw sto qema toy toyrismoy, kyrie Proedre. Edw einai, pragmati, to megalo gegonos gia thn Xwra mas kaqe kalokairi.

Emeis den poyloyme oyte mhxanhmata, oyte elikoptera, alla oyte kai kati allo. Poyloyme hlio kai qalassa. Ayto to kommati eixe egkataleifqei, kyrie Proedre, ola ayta ta xronia.

Kai qelw na rwthsw, pws skopeyete na organwqei kalytera, prwton apo thn enhmerwsh twn emplekomenwn forewn giati einai mia alysida h opoia empleketai ston toyrismo, alla kai genikotera oi ependytikes kinhseis poy qa ginoyn se olh thn epikrateia; Eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Eipate ``poylame hlio kai qalassa''. Yparxei loipon prwton ena zhthma an ayto to ``poylame'' ginetai me ta shmerina dedomena, apotelesmatika.

Omws qa sas elega oti kata thn apoch moy yparxei ena eyrytero zhthma. To problhma einai oti poylame mono hlio kai qalassa, enw qa eprepe na poylame - poylame einai kakh lejh alla thn balate eseis emmesws sto stoma - na prosferoyme politismo, synedriako toyrismo, enallaktikes morfes toyrismoy, agrotoyrismo, tropoys me toys opoioys na ajiopoihsoyme toys oreinoys ogkoys.

Eiste apo thn Naoysa etsi den einai; Bebaiws eixan ginei kapoies prospaqeies sto Seli prin apo polles dekaeties, alla einai anajiopoihtos o oreinos ogkos toy Bermioy. Kai oxi mono, to lew epeidh sas afora logw geitniashs perissotero.

Loipon, apodidw terastia shmasia ston toyrismo. Gi@ ayto to logo apofasisame kai idryoyme to Ypoyrgeio Toyrismoy. O nomos einai hdh etoimos, exei katateqei, chfizetai stis epomenes bdomades. Apo ekei kai pera qa pame se enan kainotomo toyristiko nomo poy qa anadeiknyei oles aytes tis proteraiothtes.

Omws pera apo tis stoxeyseis aytes poy sas eipa poly grhgora, yparxei kai ena allo zhthma. Prepei na ependysoyme sthn poiothta, sthn epaggelmatikh symperifora, sthn egkairh kai kalh diafhmish toy toyristikoy mas proiontos. Einai apofash mas na ta kanoyme ayta.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Mpirhs apo thn EGNATIA.

Kos MPIRHS (EGNATIA):

Eseis perigracate to Koinwniko Kentro ws politiko xwro poy prepei na brisketai konta kai dipla ston adikhmeno, opws eipate. Epeidh kyrie Proedre, o syntajioyxos gia paradeigma toy TSA, twn 400 @ to mhna, anhkei sigoyra stoys adikhmenoys, qa sas parakaloysa na mas peite posa xronia prepei na perimenei akoma gia na noiwsei mia sxetikh oikonomikh asfaleia;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Eipate swsta oti opws antilambanomai egw thn ennoia toy Koinwnikoy Kentroy exei na kanei pragmati me mia politeia h opoia einai sto pleyro twn eisodhmatika asqenesterwn, twn ligotero an qelete eynohmenwn mias koinwnias.

Apo thn allh pleyra omws prepei na sas epishmanw, giati to ofeilw apenanti stoys Polites, estw ki an jerw oti den ginomai eyxaristos, oti mia apo tis alles synistwses aytoy poy aisqanomai egw oti einai to Koinwniko Kentro, einai na einai kaneis eilikrinhs kai na apotypwnei mia sygkekrimenh katastash.

To ekana aytes tis hmeres, to ekana kai shmera otan doqhke h eykairia me analoges erwthseis synadelfwn sas. Qewrw loipon oti katw apo tis shmerines synqhkes, to gegonos oti epilegoyme mia politikh synqeth, synqeth dioti syndyazei mia seira apo stoxeyseis. Prwton thn dhmosionomikh ejygiansh.

Deyteron thn anaptyjiakh troxia. Triton thn antimetwpish kapoiwn apo ta ojytera koinwnika problhmata kai ola ayta xwris na metakylyetai to kostos ayths ths prospaqeias stis plates twn ergazomenwn, twn syntajioyxwn h genikotera twn asqenesterwn melwn ths koinwnias mas. Pisteyw oti einai mia poly kalh synqesh politikhs ypo tis shmerines peristaseis.

Gia na mhn to afhnw ayto mono ws dikaiologhsh qa sas pw oti pisteyw oti mesa sta epomena dyo xronia, h Ellada mporei na exei apogeiwqei oikonomika. Kai ayto eimai bebaios oti qa shmainei kai mia ayjhmenh dynatothta gia na epixeirhsei kaneis me poly apotelesmatikotero tropo apo oti mexri shmera, na kataneimei dikaiotera kai to paragomeno proion pros ofelos akribws twn eisodhmatika kai koinwnika asqenesterwn sympolitwn mas.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Palhkarhs apo thn HMERHSIA.

Kos PALHKARHS (HMERHSIA):

Kyrie Proedre epeidh basanizeste, einai olofanero, poly na breite poroys gia na ylopoihsete tis ejaggelies sas. Mas exete pei hdh oti ayto mporei na ginei se baqos tetraetias.

Qelw na sas qymisw thn proeklogikh sas anafora epaneilhmmena se ekqesh Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas poy elege oti, mono apo thn patajh ths diafqoras kai ths spatalhs mporoyme na ejoikonomhsoyme 10 disekatommyria Eyrw.

Erwthma: Pote kai se poio Proypologismo ths tetraetias qa doyme na eggrafontai tetoia kondylia pros eisprajh;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Nai, swsta to qymaste kai einai kati to opoio den einai apokyhma ths dikhs moy fantasias. Htan pragmati ekqesh ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas. Twra h maxh na periorisei kaneis thn diafqora, na ayjanei synexws to pososto diafaneias einai kaqhmerinh, den lynetai se mia hmera, oyte se ena Proypologismo.

Allwste to gegonos oti h problech gia mia oysiastikh drastikh meiwsh toy dhmosionomikoy elleimmatos se ena xrono mesa, se megalo baqmo oxi apokleistika, sthrizetai sthn meiwsh ths kratikhs spatalhs.

H spatalh ayth proerxetai prwton apo ypergrafeiokratia - gnwrizete hdh tis nomoqetikes prwtoboylies poy exoyme parei alla kai tis prwtoboylies Ypoyrgeiwn gia thn drastikh meiwsh toy ariqmoy twn ypografwn gia paradeigma poy apaitoyntai. Alla apo thn allh pleyra, peran ths grafeiokratias kai to periorismo twn fainomenwn poy exoyn sxesh me thn diafaneia.

Qewrw loipon oti se poly megalo baqmo h epiteyjh toy stoxoy na eimaste se ena elleimma katw apo 3% toy xronoy sthrizetai kai qa sthrixqei sthn prajh, akribws ston periorismo ayths ths spatalhs.

Ara qewrw oti eimaste apolyta synepeis kai me ekeinh thn diapistwsh kai me ekeinh thn protash thn opoia ektote kaname. Bebaiws ayto den lynetai mia kai ejw oyte se ena monon Proypologismo.

Ayth einai mia maxh poy afora thn oysiastikh metarryqmish toy tropoy poy leitoyrgei to Ellhniko Dhmosio kai o eyryteros Dhmosios tomeas. Emeis epimenoyme se ayto, to qewroyme kentrikh mas epilogh.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Xalas apo to ASTRA TV.

Kos XALAS (ASTRA TV):

Meta to telos twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn sthn perifereia -to idio isxyei bebaia kai gia th dikh mas perifereia sth Qessalia- h agwnia toy kosmoy einai ean ola osa briskontai se ejelijh apo thn pleyra twn ergwn qa oloklhrwqoyn.

H perifhmh ektroph toy Axelwoy, h shragga twn Tempwn, h Karla, o Perifereiakos, h E65, to Emporeymatiko Kentro, einai zhthmata ta opoia qa bohqhsoyn bebaia sthn anaptyjh, den qa epibarynoyn perissotero to zhthma to megalo ths anergias kai genika einai ayta ta opoia perimenoyme kapoia stigmh na ylopoihqoyn.

Rwtaw loipon ean pragmatika oi proqeseis kyriws einai na yparxoyn ta xrhmata na teleiwnoyme me ayto. Ki epishs qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean ftanei -sto ameso toylaxiston etsi mellon- mono to qema ths ryqmishs twn panwtokiwn gia toys agrotes kai an skopeyete stoys epomenoys mhnes na parete ki alles prwtoboylies gi aytoys. Eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Na jekinhsw apo to deytero, opws gnwrizete emeis epimenoyme se mia nea epiqetikh agrotikh politikh.

Ena kommati ths, ena stoixeio, shmantiko bebaia htan h ryqmish gia ta panwtokia. Apo kei kai pera yparxei ena oloklhro plegma politikhs gia toys agrotes.

Pantws mia kai to qigete -den einai h wra twra na kanw analytikh paroysiash toy programmatos mas gia thn agrotikh politikh- qa sas pws oti pera apo kinhseis anakoyfistikes, amblynshs dhladh twn dyskoliwn, to basiko poy proexei einai na strafoyme sthn poiothta sthn ellhnikh gewrgia, na thn kanoyme dhladh jana antagwnistikh. Ayto einai to kleidi poy anazhtoyme gia thn efarmogh ths politikhs mas.

Twra sto prwto poy qesate, den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti o stoxos ths Kybernhshs einai to baros sthn perifereia. De xreiazetai na to ejhghsw pali me polla epixeirhmata, ta eipame, einai eilhmmenh politikh apofash.

To poia sygkekrimena erga qa prowqhqoyn kai me poio xronodiagramma se kaqe mia apo tis Ellhnikes Perifereies qa anakoinwnetai analoga me thn stigmh kata thn opoian thn episkeptomai h thn episkeptomaste.

Opws eipa kai prin ayta poy paroysiasame den einai o ejantlhtikos katalogos twn ergwn gia oloklhrh thn Ellada, einai ekeina poy aforoyn amesa th Boreia Ellada.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

H kyria Gkalh apo ton FM 100.

Ka GKALH (FM 100):

Kyrie Proedre desmeythkate gia thn ektelesh twn megalwn ergwn sth Qessalonikh me xroniko orizonta to 2008. Ayto anejarthta apo thn analhch apo th Qessalonikh ths EXRO to 2008; Ki eseis symfwneite me th systash enos Dhmosioy Forea Parakoloyqhshs twn ergwn;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Nai, anejarthta.

Bebaiws h EXPO einai enas stoxos poy epidiwkoyme. Nomizw oti h oloklhrwsh twn ergwn alla kai h paroysiash toy xronodiagrammatos gia thn oloklhrwsh toys bohqaei oxi mono thn telesh ths ean opws elpizoyme epityxoyme thn anaqesh ayth, alla bohqaei kai thn ypochfiothta.

Alla pantws, ofeilw na to pw ayto, asxetws EXRO ta erga ayta prepei na ginoyn kai qa ginoyn.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

H kyria Kalliakoy apo to TV MAKEDONIA.

Ka KALLIAKOY (TV MAKEDONIA):

Kyrie Proedre proeklogika eixate entaxqei yper ths proairetikhs anagrafhs toy qrhskeymatos stis taytothtes. Qa to efarmosete;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Tis qeseis moy sto qema tis gnwrizete. Einai antikeimeno gia to opoio mporei na ginei dialogos, alla den einai stis ameses proteraiothtes.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Tsatsarwnhs apo to EPIXEIRW.

Kos TSATSARWNHS (EPIXEIRW):

Pro hmerwn o Proedros toy SEB aphyqyne mia ekklhsh apo tis Bryjeles na proxwrhsete amesa sth lhch diarqrwtikwn metrwn.

Taytoxrona o Proedros toy Syndesmoy Biomhxanwn Boreias Elladas sas zhthse na anoijete to asfalistiko. Shmera dhlwsate oti qa pate me to idio systhma, den akoysa mexri pote.

Aisqaneste oti yparxei mia dikaiologhmenh piesh apo thn pleyra toy epixeirhmatikoy kosmoy;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Ekeino poy aisqanomai einai oti oi koinwnikoi etairoi exoyn to dikaiwma na lene tis apoceis toys.

Kai toys akoyme oloys. Oxi mono twra, to kanoyme panta. Pisteyw poly se ayth thn ennoia toy dialogoy kai ths synennohshs.

Apo kei kai pera kanenas den ypagoreyei thn kybernhtikh politikh. H kybernhtikh politikh apofasizetai apo thn Kybernhsh, h opoia thn anakoinwnei se oloys toys Ellhnes Polites.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Mpelias apo ton ADESMEYTO TYPO-MHTSH.

Kos MPELIAS (ADESMEYTOS TYPOS-MHTSH):

Kyrie Proedre na epanelqw ligo sto qema ths EXRO. To qema ths diekdikhshs ayth th stigmh einai se mia krisimh fash. Qa hqela na rwthsw loipon an yparxoyn kinhseis stis opoies skopeyei na probei h Kybernhsh gia na prowqhsei systhmatikotera th diekdikhsh ayth;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Akoyste, yparxei enas poly kalos fakelos gia thn ypochfiothta, kanoyme hdh oles tis kinhseis poy xreiazontai gia na yposthrixqei h ypochfiothta, kai qa synexisoyme na to kanoyme me thn elpida oti qa epityxoyme sth diekdikhsh ayth.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

O kyrios Dhmopoylos apo th QESSALIA BOLOY.

Kos DHMOPOYLOS (QESSALIA BOLOY):

Kyrie Proedre ayrio arxizei h nea sxolikh xronia yparxoyn polla problhmata. Ena apo ayta einai h mh swsth katanomh twn maqhtwn, paradeigma sto Bolo exoyme problhmata sthn katanomh twn maqhtwn.

Epishs exoyme kai perikoph kondyliwn gia thn metafora twn maqhtwn. Ti symbainei, kyrie Proedre; Den prolabate me tis prosfates allages stoys proistamenoys poy eginan sthn ekpaideysh; H exoyme perikopes logw dhmosionomikoy noikokyrematos sta kondylia gia thn paideia; Sas
eyxaristw.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Tipota apo ayta.

Isa-isa eipa kai to akoysate, oti hdh apo ton Proypologismo toy 2005 qa emfanistei h barythta kai h proteraiothta poy dinoyme sthn Paideia. Den xreiazetai na anaferqw se ayto giati to exw pei para polles fores.

Kai bebaiws isxyei h desmeysh mas stadiaka na ayjhqei to pososto ths paideias poy ependyetai sthn paideia apo 3,5% poy einai shmera sto 5%.

Twra apo ekei kai pera gia thn proetoimasia, egw ekeino poy jerw einai oti ta sxoleia h mallon oi maqhtes exoyn hdh apo dekapenqhmeroy ta biblia sth qesh toys.

Yparxei poly kalh proetoimasia gia na einai ola ta sxoleia stelexwmena me toys kaqhghtes kai toys daskaloys. H lista gia na kalyfqoyn ta kena den phgainei opws palaiotera sthn ayqaireth logikh ths epiloghs apo wromisqioys alla mesa apo toys katalogoys twn anaplhrwtwn.

Kata synepeia, pisteyw oti yparxei poly kalh proetoimasia na antimetwpistoyn ola ta qemata poy mporei na prokycoyn gia ayto to zhthma.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

H ka Orfanidoy apo ton 9,84.

Ka ORFANIDOY (9,84):

Kyrie Proedre, to epishmanate ki eseis oti h eikona ths xwras me thn epityxia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, beltiwqhke dieqnws kai oti stoxos einai na karpwqoyme ayth thn epityxia. Pws qa to kanate ayto sto dieqnes periballon; Yparxei sygkekrimenos sxediasmos kai poies einai oi prosdokies mas;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Qewrw oti ayto poy qa legame ``meta-olympiakh perioysia'' exei na kanei me mia seira apo pragmata.

Einai bebaiws h pragmatikh apotimwmenh perioysia, akinhta kai kinhta. Einai qa elega kyriws to kerdos ths Xwras se epipedo eikonas kai entypwsewn. Kai bebaiws to kerdos apo pleyras empeirias, aytopepoiqhshs, newn dromwn poy dianoigontai.

Ayto loipon einai kati to opoio h Xwra prepei na to karpwqei. Giati allwste gia thn epityxia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn synebalan oloi oi Ellhnes, to exw pei epaneilhmmena den xreiazetai na epanerxomai se ayto, oles oi Kybernhseis, anqrwpoi apo kaqe politikh apoxrwsh.

Alla kyriws synebalan oi Ellhnes polites, poy telika epwmisthkan kai to baros. Eite ayto einai to forologiko to baros, to oikonomiko, eite akoma kai oi kanones poy isxysan, oi arketa perioristikoys kanones poy isxysan sthn Aqhna sthn diarkeia twn Agwnwn.

Ekeino to opoio mporw na sas pw einai oti mas exei apasxolhsei para poly ayto. Exoyme kanei hdh seira syskecewn kai sto amesws prosexes mellon, me thn oloklhrwsh kai twn Para-Olympiakwn Agwnwn, qa exoyme ena sygkrothmeno sxedio to opoio qa paroysiasoyme pros syzhthsh kai telika pros efarmogh.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

H ka. Tsiligkeridoy apo to T.V. 100.

Ka TSILIGKERIDOY (T.V. 100):

Kyrie Proedre, qa hqela na janagyrisoyme sthn Qessalonikh kai sto qema ths kataskeyhs twn megalwn ergwn.

Den anaferqhkate sthn omilia sas, sto kostos twn ergwn aytwn kai bebaia sta kondylia. Exoyn ejasfalistei oi poroi gia thn kataskeyh twn megalwn ergwn ths Qessalonikhs;

Kai kati akomh. Ta teleytaia epishma pososta ths anergias sthn polh aggizoyn to 11,2%. Yparxei sxedio gia thn apasxolhsh, eidika sthn Qessalonikh, alla kai genikotera sthn perifereia;

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Se oti afora ta erga, sas eipa kai prin oti otan me aysthrothta kai ejonyxistiko elegxo symperielaba kapoies desmeyseis sthn omilia moy, shmainei oti eimai pepeismenos kai exw kai thn plhroforhsh apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio oti einai ejasfalismenh h xrhmatodothsh. Tipota allo peri aytoy.

Sto deytero poy eipate. Den einai 11% dystyxws h anergia sthn polh. 11% anaferoyn ta epishma stoixeia. H pragmatikothta dystyxws einai poly ychloterh. Kai gi@ ayto me blepete na epimenw toso poly sthn anagkh me seira politikwn, apo ta erga mexri ton anaptyjiako nomo, th forologikh metarryqmish, th metarryqmish sto Kratos, na dwsoyme to baros sthn anaptyjiakh troxia ths perifereias.

Sas to eipa prin, to epanalambanw kai twra. Ayto qa kanoyme kai enas apo toys stoxoys mas, oxi o monadikos, enas omws apo toys pio basikoys stoxoys einai h ayjhsh ths apasxolhshs, h dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

Exoyn ypoblhqei 48 erwthseis apo Aqhna, Qessalonikh kai Perifereia. Exoyn apanthqei 48 erwthseis, ariqmos rekor kyrie Proedre gia thn Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs.

Kos KARAMANLHS:

Qa kathgorhqoyme gia prwtaqlhtismo.

Kos ROYSSOPOYLOS:

Lypamai poy den exoyme allo xrono, sas eyxaristw poly gia thn symmetoxh sas.

Lhjh Synenteyjhs

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