Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-01-26

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Ianoyarioy 2004

XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Shmera, stis 13.30, qa kocei thn pita sto Megaro Majimoy.

Ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, qa parastei kai qa milhsei sthn prwth synedriash toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Paideias, sthn Palaia Boylh. @Stis 13.00 qa exei synanthsh me thn ka Gianna Aggelopoyloy.

Thn Tetarth, stis 11.30, qa exei synanthsh me to Proedreio ths GSEE, paroysia twn kyriwn Xristodoylakh kai Reppa.

@Stis 13.00 qa synanthqei me to Proedreio toy SEB.

@Stis 19.00 qa parastei sth Boylh kai qa milhsei sthn pro hmerhsias syzhthsh poy exei proklhqei meta apo aithma toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs K. Karamanlh, gia zhthmata koinwnikhs politikhs, diafaneias k.lp.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me to Grammatea ths K.E. toy PASOK Mixalh Xrysoxoidh.

@Stis 12 to meshmeri me ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs Akh Tsoxatzopoylo.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 11 to prwi, qa episkefqei to Kentro Graptoy Typoy twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

Th Deytera, qa metabei sto Rio kai eidikotera sta erga ths Gefyras Rioy-Antirioy.

Thn Trith qa egkainiasei to Nosokomeio toy Pyrgoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

LAMPRAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos pws eide thn apopomph twn deka; Qewrei oti einai dikaih;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei symfwnhsei plhrws me tis energeies poy yphrjan. Ejalloy, tis syzhthse kai me ton k. Papandreoy, prin lhfqoyn oi telikes apofaseis.

LAMPRAKOS: Yparxoyn, omws, kapoies enstaseis apo toys idioys poy lene oti adikhqhkan. Yparxei kapoia nea topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na jekaqarisw kati me ayth thn eykairia. Kat arxas, o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaferqei thn Tetarth sthn pro hmerhsias syzhthsh sth Boylh. Me thn eykairia ayth poy me rwtate, qelw na pw oti h apofash ayth exei to diko ths politika symboliko xarakthra. Einai mia apofash poy deixnei thn politikh mas pros to mellon. Deixnei to orama kai to sxedio toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy gia thn koinwnia kai th xwra. Deixnei ti shmainei mia politikh me arxes, ajies, mia politikh poy den anexetai kai den epitrepei gkrizes skies panw apo to dhmosio bio. Yparxei -kai sas parapempw- se ayto to zhthma h anakoinwsh toy Grammatea toy PASOK Mixalh Xrysoxoidh.

GIANNISHS: H kybernhsh memfetai th N.D. giati boyleytes ths, opws o k. Sphliopoylos kai h ka Papadhmhtrioy ypegracan ayth thn tropologia, thn prohgoymenh fora poy eixe erqei sth Boylh. Omws, aytoi oi boyleytes anakalesan thn ypografh toys, thn phran pisw. Gia poio logo memfeste aytoys toys boyleytes, apo th stigmh poy telika apesyran thn ypografh toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Tria shmeia eipame gia th N.D. kai moy dinete thn eykairia na ta epanalabw: To prwto shmeio, einai oti treis boyleytes ths N.D. eixan ypogracei th sxetikh tropologia. Malista, ean den kanw laqos, h mia ek twn triwn den apesyre thn ypografh ths. Deyteron, kata thn telikh ekfwnhsh ths tropologias sth Boylh, to brady ths perasmenhs Tetarths, o ektelwn xreh ekproswpoy toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Alogoskoyfhs, perioristhke se mia typikh anafora kata pleiochfia gia to synolo toy nomosxedioy, perilambanomenhs ths tropologias. Ayto yparxei sta praktika ths Boylhs. Erwta o proedreywn: Ginetai dekto to nomosxedio opws symplhrwqhke me tis tropologies poy ekfwnhqhkan; Kai apanta, aplws, o k. Alogoskoyfhs : @Kata pleiochfia@. Apanta ``kata pleiochfia'' poy shmainei oti diafwnw, alla sto synolo. Ean h N.D. hqele pragmatika na kanei polemo se ayth thn tropologia -poy kai emeis krinoyme ws aparadekth- qa eprepe na eixe parei to logo o k.Alogoskoyfhs, na eixe yperamynqei twn apocewn toys kai bebaiws, piqanws na eixe prokalesei kai onomastikh chfoforia. Ayto shmainei ``antidrw'' kai antidrw pragmatika se kati tetoio. Kai to trito shmeio einai oti qelw na sas ypenqymisw -epeidh emfanizetai o ekproswpos Typoy ths N.D., oti dhqen h N.D. prokalese thn antidrash mas- oti h anakoinwsh toy k. Roysopoyloy, einai peripoy dyo hmeres meta thn chfish ths tropologias. Gia thn akribeia, ean den kanw laqos, h anakoinwsh ekdoqhke thn Paraskeyh to meshmeri. H tropologia, omws, eixe chfistei Tetarth brady. Thn Pempth yparxei apoysia ths N.D. Ti qelw na pw me ayto; Qelw na pw oti h N.D. espeyse ek twn ysterwn na ekmetalleytei to problhma poy proklhqhke. Alla, as mhn emfanizetai ws dhmosios kathgoros. Emeis, otan diapistwsame oti yparxei kai yphrxe problhma -kai to lew kaqara ayto- phrame tis apofaseis mas. Se ayta ta qemata ``oyte myga sto spaqi mas''. Oi apofaseis aytes edeijan poia einai h politikh mas, poia einai h baqia pisth mas pros mia politikh me arxes, me ajies, poy den fobatai to politiko kostos. Yparxei ena orama kai ena sxedio toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy gia th xwra, gia thn politikh, gia tis sxeseis ths politikhs me thn koinwnia. Ara, den exei atomiko xarakthra ayth h apofash. Gi ayto anaferqhka etsi gia toys synadelfoys. Eixe enan politika symboliko xarakthra kai malista isxyro. Ayth, omws, htan mia dikh mas apofash. Opws kai h kybernhsh eixe parei tis apofaseis ths se sxesh me thn tropologia, arxikws, oti qa akyrwqei kai qa ginei ayto bebaiws, etsi kai sth synexeia, hrqan oi apofaseis, toso me thn paraithsh toy k. Paxta, oso kai gia thn apofash toy E.G., gia tis opoies malista eixe yparjei plhrhs synennohsh.

KARGOYDH: Dedomenoy oti apo toys ``9'' kapoioi toylaxiston den apodexontai thn orqothta ths energeias toy kommatos sas, hqela na rwthsw an exete synypologisei thn periptwsh ths apoysias toys apo thn chfish nomosxediwn sto epomeno diasthma mexri thn oloklhrwsh ths koinoboyleytikhs periodoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi proswpikes pikries einai katanohtes. Ejalloy, kai oi politikes energeies poy eginan, den shmainei oti yparxei ``kathgorw''. Dinetai ena stigma sthn koinwnia. Ayth th stigmh, olh h koinwnia parakoloyqoyse ti qa kanei h paratajh mas kai to PASOK. H apofash htan mono mia: Oti den qeloyme na yparxoyn skies sto dhmosio bio, se kamia periptwsh. Htan kati poy exei na kanei me thn antapokrish se ayto to aithma ths koinwnias. Me ena baqy pisteyw gia mia nea sxesh ths koinwnias me thn politikh kai gia mia, an qelete, apodeijh gia to poies einai oi prooptikes poy qeloyme na xarajoyme gia to mellon. Ayto symbolisan aytes oi politikes apofaseis. Kai aytes oi politikes apofaseis diamorfwnoyn toys oroys ths nikhs gia thn paratajh mas stis ekloges ths 7hs Martioy.

KARGOYDH: Nai, alla yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy lene oti egw qigomai proswpika kai me ayth thn ennoia sas rwtw exete synypologisei, exete synennohqei me aytoys toys anqrwpoys an mporeite na oloklhrwsete thn chfish nomosxediwn; Mporei na paraithqoyn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa yparjei kai synanthsh, apo o,ti exw plhroforhqei, mias mikths epitrophs toy kommatos, ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas kai ths kybernhshs mazi toys. Qa apoteleitai apo toys kyrioys Akribakh, Lebogiannh kai Geitona apo thn pleyra toy kommatos. Qelw na pisteyw oti den qa yparjei kanena qema sto telos.

BITALHS: Akoysa prohgoymenws tis epishmanseis sas kai thn kritikh poy kanete sth N.D.. Milate gia apoysia ths N.D. thn Pempth apo to olo qema. Kai sas rwtaw apo thn Tetarth to brady@

PRWTOPAPAS: Ths epishmhs ekproswphshs ths.

BITALHS: Apo thn Tetarth to brady poy chfisthke ayth h tropologia, dhladh gia na parqei mia apofash politikoy symbolismoy ths kybernhshs, eprepe na ftasoyme sthn Paraskeyh poly arga to brady kai na exoyn prohghqei oi anakoinwseis ths N.D. gia na ginoyn aytes oi kinhseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epi ths oysias eixame dwsei to stigma, akyrwnontas thn tropologia. H mh apodoxh ayths ths prajhs htan safhs, orath, dedomenh. Apo ekei kai pera, emene o katamerismos twn eyqynwn, me thn ennoia toy symbolismoy poy eipa prin. Labete ypoch sas oti ayto synektimhqhke. Kai bebaiws yphrxan, opws gnwrizete, periodeies, omilies kai alles ekdhlwseis, oi opoies xronika to dysxerainan. Oi apofaseis parqhkan kai htan dikes mas.

BITALHS: Lete oti dwsate to stigma apo thn Pempth to prwi. Dhladh, otan dinete to stigma den exete kanei ton ypologismo poy qa katanemhqoyn oi eyqynes kai ton kanete Paraskeyh brady, otan exoyn prohghqei oi parembaseis, ek neoy, meta apo ena 24wro. Perasan 24 wres kai janabghke h N.D. kai tote kataneimate tis eyqynes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h N.D. bghke otan pleon prodiagrafotan -kai nomizw oti ki eseis to gnwrizate- oti qa yparjoyn kai nees apofaseis. Einai gnwsto ayto. Gnwrizete oti yphrxe akyrwsh ths tropologias kai plhrhs apodokimasia ths apo thn Pempth kai sth synexeia ejetasthkan kai lhfqhkan oi ypoloipes apofaseis poy einai poly swstes. Htan anagkaies kai exoyn na kanoyn me thn antapokrish sto aithma ths koinwnias, exoyn na kanoyn me thn prooptikh nikhs ths paratajhs mas mesa apo th xarajh ths neas politikhs, ths neas prooptikhs poy epaggellomaste, poy epaggelletai o Giwrgos Papandreoy. Ayto einai to stoixhma. Egw den qa meinw, oyte stis wres, oyte sta lepta. H oysia me endiaferei, h opoia einai safhs kai den xwra nero.

BITALHS: Eseis perimenete kapoia symbolikh kinhsh me politiko periexomeno kai apo th N.D. sto idio qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apeyqynqhka se aytoys poy emfanisthkan ws dhmosios kathgoros kai eipa oti o dhmosios kathgoros eixe treis sygkekrimenes adynamies: H prwth htan h ypografh twn boyleytwn toy. H deyterh htan h teleiws xalarh antimetwpish ths tropologias sth Boylh, opoy den doqhke maxh. Kai h trith htan h kaqysterhsh ths epishmhs ekproswphshs ths N.D. -poy htan shmantikh kai ektimw oti den egine tyxaia- gia na topoqethqei, opws topoqethqhke. Kai gia na eimaste safeis topoqethqhke ypo to baros ths entypwshs poy yphrxe ekeinh thn wra se olo, toylaxiston, to xwro oti kati qa yparjei stis epomenes wres. As mhn krybomaste, oloi to eblepan ayto.

LAMPRAKOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti anagnwrisate pws yphrje problhma, yphrje politiko qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Safes. Mia tropologia poy dhmioyrgei idiaitera sobara problhmata sthn koinwnia kai oysiastika apodokimazetai apo ayth exei dhmioyrghsei qema. Pws antapokrinetai to PASOK se ayto; Antapokrinetai me ayth thn kinhsh poy einai safhs, dinei apanthseis kai deixnei to pws antilambanomaste thn politikh kai th sxesh ths politikhs me thn koinwnia, poio einai to orama mas kai to sxedio mas gia to mellon.

LAMPRAKOS: Kai o apopemfqeis ypoyrgos, alla kai kapoioi apo toys boyleytes poy aporrifthkan apo ta chfodeltia lene oti den yparxei skandalo. Gia thn kybernhsh poio einai to skandalo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dhmioyrgoyntai sobara erwthmatika, poy ta gnwrizete para poly kala. Einai safes oti h olh diadikasia dhmioyrghse ayta ta erwthmatika. Den einai swsto na chfizontai tropologies poy erxontai kai ginontai apodektes aifnidiastika kai den exoyn peisei gia tis proqeseis toys. Den qelw na mpw se analysh ths. To qema einai oti h olh diadikasia poy akoloyqhqhke dhmioyrghse sobara erwthmatika sthn koinwnia. Dhmioyrghse ena megalo qema. Kai as mh geliomaste, dhmioyrghse kai skies. Den nomizw oti qelei kaneis na menoyn skies sto dhmosio bio.

BITALHS: Problepetai kapoia diadikasia gia th symplhrwsh twn qesewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: qa ginei poly grhgora, mesa apo th synhqh diadikasia, dhladh, me apofaseis toy E.G. me bash thn proetoimasia poy exei ginei apo thn Epitroph. Opws jerete, h Epitroph ejetazei polles ypochfiothtes. Exoyn katateqei ypochfiothtes gia oles tis perioxes. Einai se qesh, epeidh yparxoyn oi ajiologhseis, poly grhgora to E.G na kanei tis epiloges toy.

GIANNISHS: Se ayto to orama poy perigrafete den perilambanetai to tekmhrio ths aqwothtas gia kapoioys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, den eipame oti einai enoxoi. To ekana safes. Den onomasa kapoion enoxo. Milhsa gia mia politika symbolikh kinhsh, me ena pragmatika shmantiko periexomeno, poy deixnei to mellon, toy poia einai h politikh mas, poia einai h antilhch mas gia thn politikh, poio einai to orama kai to sxedio toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy. Einai safes, oti ayth h apofash den exei peiqarxiko xarakthra, oyte katanemei proswpikes eyqynes me thn ennoia oti esy ofeileis perissotero h esy ligotero h esy exeis thn ``a'' h ``b'' eyqynh. Exei enan politiko symbolismo.

POYLIDOY: Epeidh epimenete gia ton politiko symbolismo, qelw na katalabw kati. Yparxei ena problhma sth diadikasia: Otan enas yfypoyrgos, epi treis fores, den symmorfwnetai me thn ypodeijh ths proistamenhs toy arxhs, den yparxei ena sobaro problhma leitoyrgias ths kybernhshs; Den einai mono politikoy symbolismoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi ayto kai paraithqhke o yfypoyrgos. Se ayto exete dikio. Ton politiko symbolismo ton eipa gia toys boyleytes. Eidika, h diadikasia poy akoloyqhse o k. Paxtas den htan symfwnh me thn egkyklio poy yparxei gia tis tropologies. Ws gnwsto, gia na yparjei egkrish ths tropologias, prepei o armodios Ypoyrgos, o exwn thn eyqynh, na synennohqei armodiws. Problepontai ayta mesa stis egkyklioys, den xreiazetai na ta analysw twra. Kati tetoio den egine. Einai xarakthristiko oti otan o k.Xristodoylakhs leei ``den gnwriza thn tropologia'' -kai kaneis den to amfisbhtei ayto- einai safes oti den rwthqhke apo ton yfypoyrgo. Mono ayto emperiexei to stoixeio mias lanqasmenhs diadikasias.

BITALHS: Me sygxwreite poy epanerxomai, lete oti den exei peiqarxiko xarakthra@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to lew monon egw, to leei kai o k. Xrysoxoidhs.

BITALHS: Bebaiws, alla edw exoyme to ejhs: To Katastatiko toy PASOK milaei gia aytodikaia symmetoxh sta chfodeltia twn en energeia boyleytwn, oi opoioi den metexoyn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, yphrje apofash toy E.G. poy eixe ejoysiodothqei apo thn K.E. Typois, h apofash einai kalymmenh, dioti h K.E. eixe ejoysiodothsei to E.G. Yphrje synennohsh toy E.G. kai ekdosh ths telikhs apofashs. Typois yparxei kalych. Alla na doyme ligo kai thn oysia. Kapoies stigmes pairneis politikh apofash kai antapokrinesai se zhthmata poy aforoyn thn koinwnia. Exw tonisei kat epanalhch, oti to komma einai enas zwntanos politikos organismos kai ejelissetai. Den einai symbolaiografeio.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw, shmera h N.D. egeirei ena allo analogo zhthma. Zhtaei apo ton k. Papandreoy na parembei sthn allagh twn epikefalhs ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras, poy prowqei h kybernhsh. To akoysa sta radiofwna, einai mia dhlwsh toy k. Roysopoyloy kai leei oti me ayth thn apofash desmeyetai h epomenh kybernhsh, h opoia qa prokycei apo tis ekloges.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto den einai swsto. H kybernhsh leitoyrgei kai leitoyrgei kanonika. Ean h N.D. qelei, gia logoys proeklogikoys, na fortwsei epiloges poy den aforoyn ton k. Papandreoy einai safes oti ayto den einai mia swsth diadikasia. Kai kala qa kanei h N.D. na katalabei oti me ton k. Papandreoy einai ypoxrewmenh na antiparateqei me politikes apoceis kai politikes qeseis, tis opoies apo thn pleyra ths, mexri stigmhs den exoyme dei. Aytes oi diadikastikes parembaseis, oi prospaqeies epiqesewn, nomizw oti to mono poy exoyn na prosferoyn, telika, einai na ypobaqmizoyn to dhmosio bio kai se telikh analysh na strefontai kata ths idias ths N.D.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema. Exw mia aporia, katw apo poia qesmikh idiothta o k. Papandreoy zhthse thn apomakrynsh toy k. Paxta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, o k. Papandreoy, ayth th stigmh exei en dynamei thn eyqynh toy proeklogikoy agwna mas. Einai o Proedros poy qa eklegei se liges hmeres. Den yparxei, ejalloy, allh ypochfiothta. Exei thn plhrh empistosynh ths paratajhs mas kai thn plhrh empistosynh ths koinwnias. Apo kei kai pera, exei olh thn eyqynh gia to pws qa paei o eklogikos agwnas. Kai qelei o eklogikos agwnas na paei me toys oroys poy o idios qetei, me thn politikh poy o idios oramatizetai, me toys stoxoys poy o idios exei gia thn koinwnia kai th xwra. Kata th gnwmh moy prattei poly swsta, dioti apo th stigmh poy qetei thn ypochfiothta toy sthn krish toy laoy gia Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras ayrio, qelei kai o poliths na gnwrizei, qelei kai h koinwnia na gnwrizei, poies einai oi arxes poy exei ayth h politikh, poies einai oi ajies ths, pws sygkroyontai me ta symferonta, pws den ypologizei, otan ayto einai anagkaio, to politiko kostos kai pws exei orama, prooptikh kai hqikh bash gia to mellon. Dinei ton tono toy, epomenws, to politiko stigma toy.

KARGOYDH: Nai, alla den einai o Prwqypoyrgos poy exei to qesmiko rolo na apomakrynei toys Ypoyrgoys toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrxe synennohsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Htan se synennohsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Sto qema toy k. Paxta, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane apodekth thn paraithsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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