Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-11-14

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Noembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me qema ton eklogiko nomo. Eishghths htan o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Kwstas Skandalidhs. O Prwqypoyrgos sthn eisagwgikh toy omilia eipe ta ejhs:

``Me bash tis dikes mas parathrhseis, o k. Skandalidhs proxwrhse se ena dialogo me kommata, foreis k.lp. ``Proxwrhse se ena dialogo'' einai, bebaia, mia ekfrash, h opoia den perigrafei thn pragmatikh katastash, dioti h N.D. arnhqhke kaq` oloklhria to dialogo. Ta alla kommata ths antipoliteyshs, afoy eixan mia paroysia, arnhqhkan kai ayta to dialogo. To epixeirhma toys einai gnwsto: Oti den qeloyn na syzhthsoyn prin apo tis ekloges ton eklogiko nomo. Ena tetoio epixeirhma exei akoystei kai sthn eyryterh koinh gnwmh, oti dhladh, arghsame kai oti qa eprepe na exoyme syzhthsei ton eklogiko nomo nwritera. Qelw na tonisw edw kati to opoio oloi jeroyme: Oti o eklogikos aytos nomos den prokeitai na efarmostei stis epomenes ekloges. Prokeitai na efarmostei, symfwna me to Syntagma, stis meqepomenes ekloges, dhladh, stis ekloges toy 2008.

Einai, loipon, pisteyw prosxhmatiko na legetai oti syzhtame ton eklogiko nomo prin apo tis ekloges. Exoyme 2004 kai oi ekloges einai to 2008. Ti ypokryptei ayto to epixeirhma; Ypokryptei -opws kai paromoia epixeirhmata, poy paroysiazontai otan h kybernhsh pairnei alles prwtoboylies- thn prospaqeia h kybernhsh na aposyrqei, na mhn asxoleitai me kanena problhma. Oyte ta dasika, oyte ta ayqaireta, oyte to misqologio, oyte bebaia kai ton eklogiko nomo. Ekeino to opoio qeloyn na mas epibaloyn einai mia ``atzenta'' ths aprajias. H atzenta ths aprajias den mas tairiazei. H kybernhsh shmainei -ej orismoy qa elega- prajh, drash, energh paroysia sth koinwnia, mexri th stigmh, poy -symfwna me to Syntagma- prokhryssontai oi ekloges. Mexri tote, einai panta h periodos, symfwna me to Syntagma, poy emeis exoyme ypoxrewsh gia drash se ola ta qemata, xwris ejairesh.

To deytero epixeirhma to opoio akoysthke einai: ``Ti ton qelete ton eklogiko nomo; Qemeliakes tomes den mporoyn na ginoyn kai ws ek toytoy einai mallon peritto, den einai kai tipota''. Oyte me ayth thn apoch symfwnw. Giati h apoch ayth exei ws proypoqesh oti kaqe nomos basizetai se qemeliakes tomes. Emeis, omws, den eimaste qeates se dysleitoyrgies, periploka systhmata poy mperdeyoyn ton polith, kanones poy xwris logo parempodizoyn dynatothtes toy polith h yperaspizontai xwris peistikh aitiologia mia kleisth koinwnia. O eklogikos nomos poy isxyei shmera exei ypostei kritikh. Kai exei ypostei kritikh kai giati einai anorqologikos se shmeia kai giati akribws me ton tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgei den dieyrynei tis dynatothtes, oi opoies qa eprepe na yparxoyn. Opoy yparxei, loipon, dikaia kritikh -kai edw yphrje dikaih kritikh- yparxei kai h anagkh ths diorqwshs. Den eimaste adiaforoi. Den mporei na eimaste adiaforoi kai gi ayto diorqwnoyme.

To trito epixeirhma einai oti, me bash tis syzhthseis, opws proekycan sta MME, egkataleicame th mia h thn allh ryqmish, den proxwrhsame. Kai ayto to epixeirhma den einai peistiko gia mena, dioti einai ena epixeirhma poy arneitai to dialogo. O dialogos exei ws skopo, eite na peiseis, eite na peisteis. Opws qymosaste, kai meta th syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, kai o k. Skandalidhs, otan apeyqynqhke sta kommata, eipe ``na syzhthsoyme''. Ti qa hqelan kapoioi; H syzhthsh ayth na einai prosxhmatikh; Na epimeinoyme kai se qemata, sta opoia eixame ej arxhs dhlwsei oti qeloyme na akoysoyme kai alles apoceis protoy apofasisoyme; Pisteyw oti otan opoios leei gia dialogo, prepei na to ennoei pragmatika. Ki emeis to ennooysame pragmatika. Ayto shmainei oti qa eprepe na ektimhsoyme -kai ektimhsame kai ektimoyme- tis antidraseis, ta sxolia, ta apotelesmata peraiterw dieykrinhsewn. Ektimoyme, wste h lysh poy qa doqei na einai xrhsimh, dynath, orqh kai, epishs, syntagmatikh.

O rolos mas den einai -pisteyw- na ekponoyme idewdh montela. Idewdh montela mporei na yparxoyn polla. Ekeino to opoio xreiazetai einai lyseis realistikes, poy antapokrinontai sta oikonomika, ta politika kai bebaiws sta syntagmatika dedomena.

Hqela na dieykrinisw ayta ta shmeia dioti kai oson afora ton eklogiko nomo, alla kai, oson afora tis alles ryqmiseis poy anefera, ws paradeigma (to dasiko, ta ayqaireta, to misqologio) ginetai mia prospaqeia apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs na dhmioyrghqei h entypwsh oti, eite xarizomaste se kapoioys, eite pairnoyme metra, ta opoia den einai anagkaia, eite oti den eimaste apofasistikoi sto na kanoyme tomes.

H prospaqeia ayth prepei na mas brei oloys antiqetoys. Kai prepei na mas brei dynata antiqetoys. Giati, bebaiws, se orismena pragmata, alles lyseis qa htan, isws, protimoteres, alla alles lyseis prepei na einai dynates. Kai otan den einai dynates, estw kai lyseis poy antimetwpizoyn shmera problhmata kai bohqoyn toys polites kai ejasfalizoyn mia kalyterh leitoyrgia, einai anagkaies. Kai se aytes prepei na proxwroyme''.

Meta th syzhthsh poy egine sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio egkriqhke omofwna to sxedio gia ton eklogiko nomo, poy paroysiase o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Kwstas Skandalidhs. Symfwna me to sxedio qa exoyme ena neo eklogiko nomo, ton opoio syntoma qa eishghqoyme sth Boylh, poy dinei staqerh kybernhsh. Parallhla, omws, einai pio dikaios, idiaitera gia ta mikrotera kommata, poy -opws gnwrizete- gia polla xronia htan adikhmena apo tis synqhkes toy prohgoymenoy eklogikoy nomoy. O neos nomos, loipon, qa dinei kai staqerh kybernhsh kai qa einai sthn kateyqynsh ths dikaiosynhs, ths analogikothtas sthn katanomh twn edrwn. Me to neo eklogiko nomo, epishs, qa problepetai proeklogikh symprajh metajy kommatwn kai sxhmatismwn. Einai ena metro ejygianshs kai ejorqologismoy toy politikoy mas systhmatos. Qa exoyn dikaiwma epiteloys kapoia kommata, ean symfwnoyn, na qesoyn proeklogika to koino programma toys enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy kai na zhthsoyn th chfo toy.

Me to neo eklogiko nomo qa lynontai oi adikies kai oi anorqologismoi toy shmerinoy eklogikoy nomoy, kyriws sta qemata ths ejomalynshs, poy odhgoyn se pragmatika aparadekta fainomena. Bebaiws, eperxetai kai h katatmhsh dyo megalwn Perifereiwn, ths B` Aqhnwn kai toy ypoloipoy Attikhs. Epishs, proteinetai dieyrynsh toy ariqmoy twn ypochfiwn kai toy ariqmoy twn stayrwn, poy exei dikaiwma na bazei kaqe poliths sto chfodeltio. Ayto ginetai me kateyqynsh thn enisxysh ths ananewshs ths politikhs zwhs mas. To synolo twn diatajewn toy nomoy aytoy qa aforoyn tis ekloges toy 2008.

Ena allo qema poy epishmanqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio htan to ejhs:To PASOK diekdikei kai qa kerdisei aytes tis ekloges. Exoyme apolyth aisiodojia oti me th symbolh toy ellhnikoy laoy ayto qa ginei prajh. Senaria poy aforoyn, eite th legomenh "dejia parenqesh", eite kai pali ekloges to 2005 den mas aforoyn, den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn politikh mas. Emeis qa kerdisoyme tis ekloges toy 2004. Kai bebaiws sth synexeia qa symbaloyme, me oles tis dynameis mas, sthn eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratias. Senaria poy paizoyn me to qesmo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn politikh mas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Kati dieykrinistiko: Eipate, prin apo ligo, oti to synolo twn diatajewn poy proteinete shmera aforoyn to 2008@

PRWTOPAPAS: Ektos kai an h N.D. allajei stash kai chfisei to synolo. Alla apo o,ti fainetai ayto den einai efikto. Epomenws to synolo paei gia to 2008.

MPOTWNHS: Eidikotera se o,ti afora th nea protash, gia thn ayjhsh ypochfiwn kai stayrwn emeis apo xqes to brady gnwrizame oti an symfwnhsei pame gia to 2004.

PRWTOPAPAS: To synolo to 2008, me dedomenh, bebaiws, th stash ths N.D.

MPOTWNHS: Afora kai ayth th ryqmish. Kai ena allo qema: Eipate prohgoymenws oti kapoioi qeloyn na epibaloyn atzenta aprajias k.lp.. Exoyn onomatepwnymo aytoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: To eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Profanws einai ekeinoi poy synexws antidroyn sta metra poy lambanoyme kai ejaggelloyme, me prwth kai kyria, thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poies desmeyseis analambanete etsi wste, dedomenhs ths stashs ths N.D., h opoia leei oti den qelei na syzhthsei qema eklogikoy nomoy twra, eseis akomh kai ean xasete tis ekloges -sthn apeyktaia gia sas periptwsh- den qa prokalesete nees ekloges to 2005;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, me baqia pisth sth sxesh mas me to lao aisiodojoyme oti qa kerdisoyme tis ekloges toy 2004. Den qa ginoyn ekloges to 2005 kaq` oson mas afora. Kai ayto giati: Prwton, den pisteyoyme sth logikh ths "dejias parenqeshs". Deyteron, oydepote dhmioyrghsame skopimothtes poy "plhgwnoyn" to qesmo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Emeis qeloyme na kerdisoyme tis ekloges toy 2004. Den mas aforoyn ta senaria ths "dejias parenqeshs". Den mas aforoyn senaria mplokarismatos ths ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias gia na janaginoyn ekloges to 2005. Emeis qa symbaloyme sthn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

ANTYPAS: Apo opoia qesh kai an eiste; Gia na ginei safes.

PRWTOPAPAS: To exw kanei safes, tonizontas parallhla -gia na mhn yparxoyn parejhghseis- oti qa eimaste oi nikhtes twn eklogwn. To epanalambanw: Symballontas panta sthn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Qelw na jekaqarisw oti eimaste aisiodojoi gia nikh stis ekloges.

ANTYPAS: To lew, giati an exete kerdisei tis ekloges den exete problhma na prokalesete ekloges, alla@

PRWTOPAPAS: Se kaqe periptwsh.

TAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Miler exei kanei sklhres dhlwseis gia to Mikh Qeodwrakh. Exete kapoio sxolio gia thn amerikanikh epi ths oysias parembash sto qema ayto, meta thn israhlinh@;

PRWTOPAPAS: Xreiazetai idiaiterh prosoxh apo kapoioys oi opoioi askoyn mia sygkekrimenh apostolh sthn Ellada kai den einai meros twn kaqhkontwn toys, kata th gnwmh mas, na topoqetoyntai kai na askoyn kritikh se dhlwseis Ellhnwn politwn, idiaitera otan aytes den aforoyn th xwra poy ekproswpoyn.

TAKHS: Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia th synexish ths apergias peinas, sxetika me ta gegonota ths Qessalonikhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti epixeiroyme na prostateysoyme, me kaqe tropo th zwh kai thn ygeia toys.

TAKHS: Sxetika me to ntermpi Olympiakoy - Panaqhnaikoy thn epomenh ebdomada yparxei ena qema me th metakinhsh twn filaqlwn twn dyo omadwn. H Astynomia leei oti einai se qesh na diasfalisei ayth th metakinhsh. Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa lhfqoyn ola ta anagkaia metra, prokeimenoy na mhn yparjoyn epeisodia. Ayth einai h qelhsh mas. Emeis qa kanoyme to kaqhkon mas. Kaloyme kai tis dioikhseis twn dyo omadwn, alla kai olo to filaqlo kosmo toy podosfairoy na symbalei se ayto. To podosfairo einai giorth kai den mporei na stigmatizetai apo aparadekta fainomena kapoiwn anegkefalwn h anqrwpwn me aparadektes antilhceis. Na symbaloyme oloi se ayto. Kai kyriws oi dyo megales kai istorikes PAE. To fainomeno toy "xoyligkanismoy" den mporei na stigmatizei pia, oyte to podosfairo mas, oyte eyrytera thn koinwnia mas.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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