Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-11-12

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Noembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Na sas enhmerwsw oti ayrio qa exoyme kaqysterhsh sthn kaqhmerinh politikh enhmerwsh, giati stis 10 to prwi, sta Grafeia toy PASOK, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy PASOK Kwsta Shmith, qa ginei syskech me symmetoxh kommatikwn kai kybernhtikwn stelexwn, me qema, kyriws, th dioikhtikh diarqrwsh ths xwras. Meta th syskech ayth o k. Shmiths qa probei se dhlwseis. To apogeyma, stis 6.30, qa synedriasei h Kentrikh Epitroph Eklogikoy Agwna, opoy o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei. Akoloyqws, qa synedriasei to Ektelestiko Grafeio.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me qema ton eklogiko nomo.

Qa hqela na kanw mia dhlwsh sxetika me mia anafora toy k. Karamanlh, kaqws dika toy logia dhmosieyontai sthn efhmerida ``Fainansial Taims''. O k. Karamanlhs eipe oti h N.D. den einai ena dejio komma. Ep` aytoy, loipon, exw na kanw to ejhs sxolio. Meta to ``kryfo programma'' ths N.D. exoyme kai thn prospaqeia ths ``kryfhs politikhs taytothtas''. Alla, ean o k. Karamanlhs, poy prospaqei na krycei oti einai ena dejio komma h N.D., rwthsei toys chfoforoys toy, toys opadoys ths N.D., qa toy poyn ``eimaste dejioi''. Ean o k. Karamanlhs rwthsei ta stelexh toy aytoi me eparsh qa poyn ``eimaste dejioi''. Einai h gnwsth Dejia, me th sygkekrimenh politikh taytothta, tis sygkekrimenes antilhceis kai tis sygkekrimenes politikes, poy gnwrizei kai exei katadikasei o ellhnikos laos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALARITHS: Dhladh, oi opadoi ths N.D. einai ``h gnwsth Dejia'', ayto qelete na peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean toys rwthsete, eipa, qa poyn ``eimaste dejioi''.

KALARITHS: Plhrofories kai shmerina dhmosieymata qeloyn ton Grammatea ths K.E. na eishgeitai pros ton Prwqypoyrgo, anasxhmatismo sthn kybernhsh. Gnwrizete na exei teqei tetoio qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme pei oti den yparxei tetoio qema.

FILHS: Symfwna me plhrofories -kai qa hqela na epibebaiwqoyn ean exete kapoia enhmerwsh- o ypoyrgos Oikonomias Nikos Xristodoylakhs protiqetai na kataqesei sth Boylh, sto plaisio ths diadikasias toy Proypologismoy, oloys toys eidikoys logariasmoys, gia toys opoioys mexri twra yphrxe antiqeth taktikh ek meroys ths kybernhshs kai den toys enetasse sto plaisio toy Proypologismoy. Yparxei kapoia sxetikh enhmerwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth poy gnwrizoyme oloi, oti qa katateqoyn oi eidikoi logariasmoi sth Boylh.

FILHS: Emeis den to gnwrizoyme. Eseis to gnwrizete; Gia prwth fora qa katateqoyn sth Boylh aytoi oi logariasmoi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizw oti einai stis proqeseis toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias na toys kataqesei.

FILHS: Gia poio logo fetos allazei h taktikh ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati fetos zhthqhke. Den exoyme tipota na krycoyme.

FILHS: Ti ennoeite ``zhthqhke''; Den yparxei ena qema tajhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den yparxei. Ti nomizete oti einai aytoi oi eidikoi logariasmoi; Yparxei, gia paradeigma, enas eidikos logariasmos, o opoios eixe ginei sto ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai ston opoio phgainan ta xrhmata apo ta parabola twn aithsewn twn KEK. Aytos o logariasmos xrhsimopoioyntan me apolytws diafaneis oroys, gia na ameibontai epiprosqeta oi ergazomenoi oi opoioi dieqetan xrono peran toy wrarioy toys, gia na kanoyn tis ajiologhseis stis epitropes poy eixan systaqei gia tis ajiologhseis twn fakelwn. To anaferw san paradeigma.

FILHS: Aytoi qa entaxqoyn katanika sta esoda-ejoda toy Proypologismoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, se o,ti einai mexri twra.

FILHS: Qa entaxqoyn sto dhmosio logistiko; Stis diadikasies dosolhcias toy Dhmosioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh me elleimmata ayto to qema, ean ayto ennoeite.

FILHS: Ma, apo tis apanthseis poy exoyn doqei apo orismena ypoyrgeia, opws diabasame, merikoi htan entos, alloi ektos kai alloi kata to prwtotypo entos kai ektos proypologismoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kante ligh ypomonh na toys doyme. Giati biazeste; H ennoia ths kataqeshs , exei thn ennoia ths gnwstopoihshs. Qa gnwstopoihqoyn apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, oxi apo emena. Epomenws, as exete ligh ypomonh. Apo kei kai pera, sas efera to paradeigma enos eidikoy logariasmoy gia na katalabete ti einai kai na mhn ta dramatopoieite. Efera paradeigma logariasmoy, poy eixe systaqei otan hmoyn sto ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai gi ayto to gnwrizw.

FILHS: Kai ena allo qema. Ton Ioynio, me ta gegonota poy eixan symbei sth Synodo Koryfhs sth Qessalonikh, eixan syllhfqei epta polites Ellhnes kai allodapoi. Apo aytoys jekinhse apergia peinas, gia na diatranwsoyn thn aqwothta toys, opws oi idioi yposthrizoyn. Pente apo aytoys se katastash krisimh -opws yposthrizoyn oi giatroi- metaferqhkan ston Korydallo, opoy yparxoyn plhrofories oti qa ypoblhqoyn se ypoxrewtikh sitish. Dedomenoy oti yparxei kindynos zwhs, qa hqela na gnwrizw poia einai h kybernhtikh qesh gia to qema ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw h opoia metafora egine gia thn prostasia toys kai gia thn kalyterh periqalch toys.

FILHS: Me dedomeno oti exoyme mprosta mas ton eortasmo toy Polytexneioy kai aytoy toy eidoys oi ekkremothtes, otan den ekkaqarizontai dikastika kai parateinetai h profylakish, eis baros anqrwpwn poy diakhryssoyn me entono tropo thn aqwothta toys, protiqetai h kybernhsh na analabei kapoia eyqynh gia na yparjei dikastikh diereynhsh-peraiwshs ths ypoqeshs; Gia paradeigma, apofylakish toys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh den apofasizei oyte gia profylakiseis, oyte gia apofylakiseis. Epishs, gnwrizete oti kaqoloy den timoyn thn ennoia ``politismos'', alla kai thn ennoia ``diadhlwsh'', ta epeisodia poy eginan apo elaxistoys kai htan periorismenhs ektashs, eytyxws, kata th diarkeia ths Synodoy Koryfhs sth Qessalonikh. Oloi eidame ti shmanei h lejh ``trampoykos'' kai ``trampoykismos'' ekeines tis hmeres, apo aytoys toys ligoys. Den jerw gia toys sygkekrimenoys kai oyte mporw na gnwrizw ti qa bgalei h dikastikh ereyna. Omws, aytoi oi anqrwpoi synelhfqhsan, odhghqhkan nomima ston eisaggelea kai toys apaggelqhkan kathgories. Aytes oi kathgories diereynwntai. Den mporoyme na ephreasoyme ton eisaggelea. Gnwrizete oti exoyme labei polla metra gia thn epitaxynsh twn diadikasiwn kai thn epitaxynsh diejagwghs twn dikwn. Ayta ta metra fainetai, se kapoio shmeio, na exoyn apodwsei. Apo kei kai pera, einai elaxistoi oi mhnes poy exoyn perasei. Einai ena diasthma sto opoio panta yparxei h periodos mias prodiadikasias. Oi diadikasies aytes qa ginoyn grhgora kai qa apodoqei dikaiosynh. Kai ean men einai aqwoi qa pane spiti toys, ean breqoyn enoxoi apo to dikasthrio, qa akoloyqhqei h nomimh diadikasia.

FILHS: Gia to qema ths ypoxrewtikhs sitishs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa, epeidh ayta einai lepta qemata, oti h olh kinhsh egine gia thn prostasia ths ygeias kai ths zwhs toys. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

MIXAHL: Exete dexqei aithmata apo alles xwres gia tis periptwseis orismenwn ej aytwn; Gia paradeigma, einai kapoioi Ispanoi metajy twn epta, gi ayto kai eixame mia seira bombistikwn energeiwn enantion @

PRWTOPAPAS: Mexri twra den exoyme kapoio aithma.

MIXAHL :Toylaxiston kapoia atyph parembash h kapoia@.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Aithma den yparxei. An yphrjan erwthmata h synennohseis metajy armodiwn yphresiwn, ayto einai kati poy synhqizetai.

KALARITHS: Yphrje plhroforia oti h ``Ntoitse Mpank'', protiqetai na reystopoihsei to@.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizw thn plhroforia. Ayta, omws prepei na anakoinwqoyn epishmws. Den einai kratikos foreas, einai idiwtikes epixeirhseis. Epomenws prepei prwta na to anakoinwsoyn oi idioi.

KALARITHS: H kybernhsh qewrei oti ayto sxetizetai me kapoies ektimhseis toys gia thn poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas epanalambanw oti prepei na ginei epishmh anakoinwsh. Den mporoyme na topoqethqoyme protoy ginoyn epishmes anakoinwseis.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na zhthsw to sxolio sas gia mia apofash toy ESR, enantion thleoptikoy staqmoy. To endiaferon einai oti sto skeptiko, basei toy opoioy to ESR epiballei prostima. Dhladh, otan tiqentai zhthmata, an oi sygkekrimenes erwtikes skhnes synadoyn gia diadikasia paragwghs zwhs, eilikrinws, ekfeygoyn twn oriwn ths logikhs, qa elega kai mias anektikhs koinwnias. Qelw to politiko sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Edw yparxei ena qema. Ki egw qa mporoysa ws poliths na exw analoga erwthmata. H politikh apanthsh poy mporei na doqei, einai mono mia: Oti symfwna me to Syntagma kai to nomo oles aytes oi ypoqeseis poy aforoyn to radiofwno kai thn thleorash elegxontai monon apo to ESR, to opoio -opws einai gnwsto- den diorizetai apo thn kybernhsh, einai Anejarthth Arxh. Sas qymizw oti dioristhke omofwna me apofash ths diaskechs twn proedrwn ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn. Epishs, qelw na tonisw, oti edw kai enamish xrono o ypoyrgos Typoy kai MME den askei oyte elegxo nomimothtas epi twn apofasewn toy ESR, poy aforoyn tetoia zhthmata. Ejhghseis h enhmerwsh apo to D.S. toy ESR, mporei na zhthqoyn monon apo thn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, symfwna me tis problepomenes diadikasies.

POYLIDOY: Sxolio gia to sirial, peran ths diadikasias, exete na kanete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi.

KARGOYDH: H deyterh erwthsh moy sxetizetai me thn proetoimasia sas gia tis ekloges. Legetai, oti exete peripoy oloklhrwsei thn katartish twn chfodeltiwn sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Xqes, synedriase h Epitroph Eklogikoy Agwna kai anamenetai na synedriasei kai shmera ap` o,ti plhroforhqhka.

KARGOYDH: Xqes, gia pollosth fora, yphrjan dhlwseis dyo boyleytwn toy kommatos sas, twn kyriwn Papaqemelh kai Spyrioynh, to yfos twn opoiwn htan ejairetika exqriko ws pros th grammh poy akoloyqei to komma sas. Qelw na rwthsw, an tetoioy eidoys dhlwseis apoteloyn krithrio gia th symperilhch boyleytwn sth nea lista.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti gia oloys toys en energeia boyleytes efarmozetai mia diadikasia, sthn opoia exoyme anaferqei, toso egw, oso kai o yfypoyrgos Thlemaxos Xythrhs, o opoios me anaplhroyse thn periodo poy briskomoyn sthn Kypro. Eixame pei oti den yparxei qema ejetashs apo thn Epitroph Chfodeltiwn gia toys en energeia boyleytes toy PASOK, dioti symfwna me to Katastatiko, oi apofaseis gia toys en energeia boyleytes den lambanontai apo thn Epitroph Chfodeltiwn, alla apeyqeias apo thn Kentrikh Epitroph. Omws, me thn eykairia ayth, qelw na pw -xwris na anaferomai se kanena proswpo kai ayto qelw na to tonisw, gia na mhn exoyme parejhghseis - oti yparxoyn synadelfoi, oi opoioi meta apo dokimh kai shmantikh polyeth paroysia sto ellhniko Koinoboylio, dhlwnoyn oti den epiqymoyn na einai ypochfioi stis erxomenes ekloges. Orismenoi apo aytoys dhlwnoyn oti qa einai parontes sthn prwth grammh ths eklogikhs maxhs. Qelw na jekaqarisw oti timoyme oloys toys synadelfoys, idiaitera aytoys poy gia polla xronia yphrethsan to Ellhniko Koinoboylio, thn paratajh kai to lao kai bebaiws eixan mia idiaitera shmantikh paroysia. H dikh toys qelhsh, meta apo polles tetraeties, na mhn einai kai pali ypochfioi, exei kai ena qetiko apotelesma, to gegonos oti dinei th dynatothta mias shmantikhs, alla kai synama aparaithths ananewshs kai sta chfodeltia mas, alla kai sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada mas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Eipate kai orismenoi poy dhlwnoyn parontes. Epeidh mporei na parermhneytei h dhlwsh sas, ap` o,ti gnwrizoyme o k. Laliwths exei dhlwsei ``parwn''. Anafereste ston prwhn Grammatea toy kommatos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhka se dhlwseis boyleytwn mas, poy meta apo polles 4eties, lene oti den epiqymoyn na qesoyn ek neoy ypochfiothta.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O k. Sfyrioy einai se ayth th kathgoria;

PRWTOPAPAS: O idios eipe oti den epiqymei na einai ek neoy ypochfios gia na anoijei to dromo se neoteroys.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To idio exei pei kai o k. Laliwths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai sthn idia kathgoria. O k. Sfyrioy leei oti meta apo 23 xronia, epiqymei na anoijei to dromo sthn ananewsh. Ayto to qewroyme idiaitera qetiko.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To ``parwn'' toy k. Laliwth to briskete epishs qetiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Mhn prospaqoyme na emplekoyme monimws ton k. Laliwth xwris logo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oi boyleytes, stoys opoioys anaferomai metrioyntai sta daktyla. O k. Laliwths einai jexwristh periptwsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa safws. Tonisa oti h qelhsh merikwn boyleytwn na mhn einai kai pali ypochfioi, sxetizetai me thn polyeth paroysia toys, thn opoia timoyme. To gegonos oti eynoeitai shmantika h aparaithth ananewsh kai gia ta chfodeltia kai gia thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada einai qetiko kai ayto ofeilw na to epishmanw.

KWNSTANTHS: Oi boyleytes aytoi einai meiochfia sto synolo twn boyleytwn kai epeidh aytos o katalogos fainetai na makrainei, problhmatizei ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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