Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-10-09

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Oktwbrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

O Prwqypoyrgos sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy jekinhse, kanontas anafora sta epeisodia poy shmeiwqhkan xqes kata tis kinhtopoihseis astynomikwn ypallhlwn kai oi opoies odhghsan sthn poliorkia kai ton apokleismo toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Me aformh ayto to gegonos, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe ta ejhs:

"H xwra mas einai ena kratos dikaioy. Se ena kratos dikaioy, opws kai h kybernhsh den exei dikaiwma na ayqairetei, etsi kai o poliths den exei dikaiwma na ayqairetei. H syndikalistikh hgesia twn astynomikwn ypallhlwn pisteyei oti apotelei ejairesh se ayto ton kanona. Adiaforhse sthn prosklhsh toy eisaggelea na symmorfwqei pros to nomo kai na pacei thn kaq@ ola paranomh poliorkia kai ton apokleismo toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias. H syndikalistikh hgesia twn astynomikwn ypallhlwn pisteyei oti mporei na ypakoyei se kapoio diko ths nomo. H kybernhsh kai h koinwnia den qa anexqoyn tetoies symperifores. Edwsa entolh ston k. Flwridh na katalogistoyn eyqynes gia osoys den symmorfwnontai pros tis epitages toy nomoy kai ths eisaggelikhs Arxhs".

Sth synexeia o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sth Diakybernhtikh kai tonise ta ejhs:

"Thn ebdomada poy perase, to perasmeno Sabbatokyriako, synhlqe sth Rwmh h Diakybernhtikh Diaskech, h opoia prokeitai na apofasisei gia to Eyrwpaiko Syntagma mexri thn 1h Maioy toy 2004, opws exei symfwnhqei. Opoios parakoloyqei thn eidhseografia qa dei oti to qema toy Eyrwpaikoy Syntagmatos einai to kentriko qema ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs gia toys epomenoys mhnes. Kai einai to kentriko qema ths E.E., giati mesa apo th syzhthsh gia to Syntagma anadeiknyontai ta problhmata, oi diafores, oi antiqeseis, oi koines sygkliseis, se sxesh me ta qemata poy apasxoloyn thn Eyrwph.

Den einai, loipon, monaxa mia syzhthsh gia kapoio symboliko keimeno, alla mia syzhthsh h opoia afora polla oysiastika qemata. Qelw sthn enarjh ayths ths syzhthshs na tonisw oti to qema paroysiazei dyo pleyres:

-H mia pleyra, h opoia polles fores sygkentrwnei, sxedon apokleistika, thn prosoxh, einai h qesmikh politikh. Einai qemata, opws h isothta twn kratwn-melwn (ola ta krath-melh na exoyn ta idia dikaiwmata kai tis idies ypoxrewseis) h leitoyrgia twn organwn ths Enwshs, pws einai h synqesh ths Epitrophs, poia dikaiwmata exoyn ta melh ths Epitrophs, pws leitoyrgei to Eyrwkoinoboylio, pws ejasfalizetai h diafaneia twn apofasewn kai ta paromoia qemata.

-Yparxei, omws, kai mia allh pleyra, ejisoy shmantikh, h opoia afora kyriws ta politika qemata, thn apotelesmatikothta ths Enwshs (giati qeloyme mia Enwsh poy na anadeiknyetai mesa apo apofaseis poy efarmozontai) th dynamikh ths enopoihtikhs diadikasias (giati qeloyme mia Enwsh, h opoia qa synexisei na diamorfwnei koines politikes kai den qa arkestei se ayta poy yparxoyn kai sigoyra den prepei na opisqodromhsei) tis politikes ths Enwshs (giati to keimeno, to opoio prokeitai na apofasistei, periexei kai ena kefalaio gia tis politikes ths Enwshs, poies einai, pws efarmozontai kai an prepei na tonistoyn merika qemata, ta opoia emeis kai polloi alloi qewroyn aparaithta, idiws qemata koinwnikhs politikhs).

Anamesa se aytes tis pleyres einai anagkh na breqoyn oi swstes isorropies. Ti ennow: Oyte na katadikasoyme thn Enwsh se aprajia en onomati ths thrhshs orismenwn arxwn, kai malista stis leptomereies toys, oyte, apo thn allh meria, na dhmioyrghsoyme diaxwristikes grammes en onomati mias mh amfisbhtoymenhs pragmatikothtas. Dhladh, den einai ola ta krath-melh omoia, me thn apoch oti paroysiazoyn diaforetika xarakthristika, opws ektashs, plhqysmoy, epipedoy anaptyjhs, diaforetika problhmata kai ola ayta prepei epishs na lambanontai ypoch.

Telos, gia enhmerwsh sas, qelw na anaferw to ejhs: Otan, sth diarkeia ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias, pragmatopoihsa episkeceis sta 24 krath-melh ths Enwshs, diapistwsa oti yparxei mia shmantikh diafora antilhcewn anamesa sta krath-melh ths Kentrikhs kai Anatolikhs Eyrwphs kai anamesa sta palia krath-melh, ta opoia jekinhsan thn E.E.. Shmantikh diafora apocewn kyriws sta qemata amynas, synergasias me to NATO, synergasias me tis HPA, giati tote htan kai to qema toy Irak sto proskhnio. Ayth, omws, h diafora apocewn, poy phgazei apo to qema ths amynas, epekteinetai kai se alla qemata. Kai h syzhthsh ayth, h opoia exei arxisei twra, opws fanhke to Sabbato, fernei sthn epifaneia ayth th diafora antilhcewn.

Oi Diakybernhtikes, mexri twra, htan synanthseis twn omadwn ergasias, twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn kai mia synanthsh twn Prwqypoyrgwn sto telos, opoy -qa elega- oti me arketa texniko tropo prospaqoysan na antimetwpistoyn ta qemata se ena paraskhniako pazari. Ayth h Diakybernhtikh den qa einai etsi. Qa einai mia Diakybernhtikh, opoy sigoyra den qa ginontai sto proskhnio oles oi syzhthseis, alla hdh exei fanei oti yparxoyn diafores antilhcewn. Apo th syzhthsh ayth ejartatai shmantika h poreia ths E.E. sta epomena xronia. Kai gi@ ayto, h syzhthsh exei shmasia sthn Eyrwph, alla exei kai shmasia se emas, oson afora th grammh poy qa akoloyqhsoyme, giati egw pisteyw -kai polloi apo emas, epishs- oti prepei na diasfalisoyme th synexish ths enopoihtikhs poreias kai mia apotelesmatikh E.E..

Sxetika me dhmosieymata ths efhmeridas "Makedonia", poy aforoyse mia parembash poy egine apo kapoioys diadhlwtes sto ellhniko Projeneio toy San Frantsisko, qa hqela na pw oti eginan oles oi energeies pros to Steit Ntipartment. Oi armodies arxes toy San Frantsisko anagnwrisan thn oligwria toys. Yphrje elleich eswterikoy syntonismoy sthn astynomia toys. Jekaqaristhke oti den qa yparjei tipota sto mellon kai dinontai oles oi sxetikes eggyhseis asfaleias gia to ellhniko Projeneio.

Telos, epanerxomai sto qema twn astynomikwn. Peran ths prwqypoyrgikhs dhlwshs qa hqela na pw ta ejhs, xwris bebaiws na ypeiselqw se ayta poy exoyn kalyfqei apo th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa hqela na rwthsw th N.D. poia einai h qesh ths apenanti sta xqesina akraia fainomena. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, h siwph pleon den einai xrysos, alla qa elega oti odhgei sthn entypwsh mias anoxhs apenanti se ayta ta fainomena h to xeirotero mias emmeshs sygkalychs. Den mporei na siwpoyn, dioti edw h siwph shmainei sygkalych h toylaxiston anoxh kai ayto qa htan idiaitera epikindyno. Epomenws, rwtw eyqews: Ti qesh exoyn apenanti se ayta ta fainomena;

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: To prwi, polloi boyleytes ths N.D. topoqethqhkan gia to qema kai einai katadikastikoi gia th symperifora ths kybernhshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Jeroyme, omws, thn topoqethsh toy k. Ebert. En pash periptwsei, to "polloi boyleytes" leei kati, alla yparxei kai h epishmh topoqethsh. Emeis zhtoyme, shmera, thn epishmh topoqethshs ths N.D. apenanti se ayta ta akraia fainomena kai tis akraies symperifores. Edw h siwph den einai pia xrysos. Edw h siwph shmainei anoxh h -to xeirotero- sygkalych. Einai akraia fainomena kai symperifores, poy kaneis den exei dikaiwma na aposiwpa. Prepei na topoqethqei.

MIXAHL: H parathrhsh sas ayth strefetai mono pros th N.D.; Dioti kai to KKE kai ta alla kommata katadikasan th stash ths kybernhshs. Ayto shmainei oti kai ayta sygkalyptoyn thn apergia; Kai deyteron: Den einai baria kathgoria na lete gia ena komma, gia thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, oti sygkalyptei tetoia fainomena; To na mhn ta katadikazei, dioti qelei na yposteite fqora einai dikaiwma ths kai politikh taktikh ths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prosejate thn topoqethsh moy.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me sygxwreite alla eseis exete to problhma, den to exei h N.D..

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ena qema poy afora olo to dhmosio bio. Qelw na jekaqarisw kati: Eipa oti h siwph shmainei anoxh, an den shmainei sygkalych. H siwph. Exw thn ektimhsh oti ena ypeyqyno komma prepei na topoqeteitai epishma, opws bghkan ta alla kommata, me ta opoia mporei na diafwnoyme, kai ekanan sygkekrimenh topoqethsh gia thn opoia, bebaiws, qa kriqoyn. Etsi perimenoyme kai th N.D. na kanei epishmh topoqethsh. Alla kommata exoyn hdh topoqethqei. To tonise kai o k. Flwridhs sth Boylh. Einai gnwsth h diafwnia mas me thn topoqethsh toys. Alla, otan topoqeteisai, krinesai. To KKE, gia paradeigma, leei "nai, egw pisteyw, anoikta, oti etsi eprepe na kanoyn". Diafwnoyme, alla einai mia safhs topoqethsh. Den exw dei topoqethsh apo th N.D. kai th zhtw. Otan topoqethqei, qa thn krinw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti topoqethsh qelete apo th N.D.; Na sas pei mprabo poy toys plakwsate sto jylo; Ayto qelete, na epidokimasei dhladh ayth thn ayqairesia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Perimenoyme thn topoqethsh ths N.D.. Egw den zhtw kati sygkekrimeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, to brady yphrxe eisaggeleas ekei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dyo eisaggeleis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kati akomh: Oles, dhladh, oi koinwnikes diekdikhseis me ayto ton tropo qa antimetwpizontai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete dei na antimetwpizoyme koinwnikes diekdikhseis me ayto ton tropo;

STAMATOPOYLOS: E, pws, giati; Apo poy na arxisw; Apo toys agrotes, apo toys syntajioyxoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Koinwnikh diekdikhsh einai na kleisw thn porta toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, epi paradeigmati;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai kai ayth mia antidrash.

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn yioqeteite;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy den toys dexotan kanenas; Giati na mhn thn yioqethsw; Otan den toys dexetai kaneis, kaqenas kanei o,ti mporei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Toylaxiston eiste pio eyqys apo th N.D..

KALARITHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to gegonos oti yparxoyn kinhtopoihseis toswn pollwn koinwnikwn kai epaggelmatikwn omadwn kai exoyn ftasei se shmeio, mexri kai ta Swmata Asfaleias na sygkroyontai metajy toys me ayton ton tropo, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh kai poy apodidei ayto to mparaz twn kinhtopoihsewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete kala oti yparxoyn kinhtopoihseis poy jekinoyn kai lhgoyn, kinhtopoihseis poy periodika emfanizontai. Enocei toy Proypologismoy paradosiaka, exoyme kinhtopoihseis. Fetos, epeidh kapoioi nomizoyn, oti logw proeklogikhs xronias mporoyn na piesoyn perissotero, einai pio polles. Emeis topoqethqhkame eyqews kai eipame oti me idiaitero sebasmo exoyme staqei sta problhmata twn ergazomenwn. Exoyme proxwrhsei se koinwnika metra, kostoys 2,3 disekatommyriwn eyrw. Exoyme dwsei oysiastikes ayjhseis gia oloys toys kladoys. Qelw na sas qymisw oti yparxoyn protaseis toy yfypoyrgoy Oikonomias k. Farmakh kai gia toys astynomikoys, me oysiastikes ayjhseis. Zhtoyme apo toys kladoys twn ergazomenwn sto dhmosio tomea na deijoyn thn aparaithth katanohsh kai ypeyqynothta, dioti aytes einai oi anagkes ths oikonomias, aytes einai oi synqhkes ths oikonomias. Tyxon parapera parembaseis h tyxon daneismos gia thn ikanopoihsh epipleon megalwn oikonomikwn aithmatwn, san kai ayta poy akoygontai ths tajhs toy 20% h toy diplasiasmoy apodoxwn k.lp., to mono apotelesma poy qa eixan, qa htan h dhmioyrgia problhmatwn sthn Oikonomia, ta opoia qa kaloyntan na plhrwsoyn oi Ellhnes polites. Gi` ayto to logo eimaste kaqaroi kai staqeroi. Yphrje dialogos. Ws apotelesma toy dialogoy me eyaisqhsia apenanti stoys ergazomenoys proxwrhsame se shmantikes oikonomikes ayjhseis, oi opoies pleon ejhntlhsan ta yparkta oria ths oikonomias. Parapera, oikonomikes kinhseis qa prokalesoyn idiaitera dysaresta oikonomika apotelesmata gia ton aplo polith.

TSAKIRHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to prwi, o k. Flwridhs, proserxomenos sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, milhse gia "enstoloys kai enoploys astynomikoys". Exei, dhladh, h kybernhsh thn plhroforia oti htan astynomikoi ektos yphresias poy eferan, profanws, ta yphresiaka peristrofa toys h kapoia opla mazi toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws, gia na to pei o k. Flwridhs, gnwrizei.

KARGOYDH: Akoyga to prwi ena syndikalisth twn astynomikwn kai katalaba oti sta aithmata toys exoyn kai mia prooptikh gia to 2004, twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, na askoyn piesh kai ws pros ayto. Enswmatwnoyn sto paketo twn aithmatwn toys kai thn epipleon -as to poyme- yphresia poy qa parasxoyn stoys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Yparxei ayto sta aithmata twn astynomikwn kai askoyntai pieseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den katalaba! Einai diapragmateysimh h paroysia twn astynomikwn dynamewn stoys Olympiakoys Agwnes;

KARGOYDH: Sas lew, ti akoyw kai ti antilambanomai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opoios kanei th doyleia toy plhrwnetai gi` aythn. Kapoios poy kanei epipleon doyleia, qa plhrwqei epipleon. To orizei h Ergatikh Nomoqesia. Den einai diapragmateysimh h paroysia toys. Opoios ergastei yperwriaka, epipleon twn wrwn ergasias poy problepei h symbash toy, qa ameifqei analogws.

KARGOYDH: H kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na arneitai na entajei toys astynomikoys sthn kathgoria twn epikindynwn epaggelmatwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ws pros ayto to qema exoyn egerqei amfisbhthseis kai exoyn ginei epaneilhmmena syzhthseis me ton k. Farmakh. Exoyme proxwrhsei dia toy k. Farmakh se anafores gia shmantikes oikonomikes ayjhseis. An qymamai kala, yparxei antirrhsh gia to xarakthrismo, dioti qa symparesyre syntajiodotika qemata.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Shmera oi ergazomenoi sto Olympiako Xwrio apergoyn, dioti synebh kai pempto qanathforo atyxhma. Ti ginetai ekei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me plhroforhse gia to qema ayto o yfypoyrgos Ergasias k. Tziolas. Qymamai, omws, oti -kai palaiotera kai twra- exei doqei idiaitero baros, me synexeis parembaseis toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias, gia ta qemata ths asfaleias twn ergazomenwn stis ergasies poy ginontai sto Olympiako Xwrio. H politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias dia toy ypoyrgoy k. Dhmhtrh Reppa, oso kai toy yfypoyrgoy k. Tziola, exei staqei me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia, me endiaferon kai apofasistikothta sto qema ayto. Exei dwsei sxetikes entoles stis armodies yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy, kaqws kai stis Epiqewrhseis Ergasias, oi opoies se takta xronika diasthmata proxwroyn stoys sxetikoys elegxoys. Exoyn lhfqei sygkekrimena metra. Kapoia stigmh mporei na symbei to anqrwpino laqos poy odhgei se ayta ta pragmatika dysaresta kai atyxh gegonota. Bebaiws, qa ginei ereyna. Qa diataxqei ereyna gia na ejetastei poios ftaiei kai qa apodoqoyn oi eyqynes. Ayto den einai diapragmateysimo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Stis prohgoymenes tesseris periptwseis apodoqhkan eyqynes; Giati einai to pempto atyxhma poy symbainei ston idio xwro.

PRWTOPAPAS: Panta ginontai oi sxetikes ereynes kai otan prokyptoyn eyqynes apodidontai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den yparxoyn eyqynes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn kai ta dystyxhmata. Den anaferomai sto prosfato dystyxhma, den gnwrizw akomh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ta synexh atyxhmata, omws, kapoios ftaiei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn doylecei xiliades ergazomenoi. Yparxei omws kai o anqrwpinos paragontas. Mhn lete oti kapoios ftaiei, mhn eiste toso kaqetos.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, diabazontas mia dhlwsh toy armodioy tomearxh ths N.D. gia th Gewrgia k. Mpasiakoy leei oti to nomosxedio poy efere o ypoyrgos Gewrgias k. Drys sth Boylh kai ejatomikeythke xqes, einai antisyntagmatiko kai qa pesei otan h N.D. ginei kybernhsh. To sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti mporei na prodikazei kaneis tis apofaseis twn dikasthriwn. Einai idiaitera antideontologiko na kanei kapoios kati tetoio. Einai dynato na prodikazei enas boyleyths ti qa kanei to dikasthrio; Bebaiws, h N.D. mporei na exei tis apoceis ths. As kataqesei, an to qewrei antisyntagmatiko, tis sxetikes enstaseis, symfwna me ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs. H Boylh qa apofasisei. Opoios synexisei na epimenei sta peri antisyntagmatikothtas, exei to dikaiwma na prosfygei sta dikasthria. Emeis exoyme elegjei to nomosxedio, qewroyme oti einai syntagmatiko kai oti bazei mia oristikh tajh se ena qema poy talaipwroyse xiliades polites, xwris na dhmioyrgei problhmata sta dash.

MPOTWNHS: Me toys ypallhloys toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy ti qa kanete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi ypallhloi toy Ypoyrgeioy Typoy kai MME zhtoyn enan eidiko logariasmo. Katalabainete pws ayto einai ena synolikotero kybernhtiko qema, to opoio den mporoyme na lysoyme me ayto ton tropo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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