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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Ioynioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Sas exoyn, hdh, doqei oi epistoles paraithshs twn kyriwn Stefanoy Manika kai Mixalh Neonakh, oi opoioi paraithqhkan gia logoys eyqijias, meta ta osa exoyn grafei ston Typo. O men prwtos paraithqhke apo th qesh toy ypoyrgoy Epikrateias, o de deyteros apo melos toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy. Epishs, sas exoyn doqei kai oi apanthtikes epistoles toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Sth synexeia, qa sas moirastei h epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros toys arxhgoys kratwn kai kybernhsewn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E., enocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Qessalonikhs. H diselidh ayth epistolh anaferetai sto programma twn ergasiwn ths Synodoy, h opoia arxizei thn Pempth (19/6), stis 19.00 kai teleiwnei to Sabbato (21/6), stis 10.30, me th lhjh twn ergasiwn ths Synodoy Koryfhs E.E.- Dytikwn Balkaniwn.

Gia thn enhmerwsh twn dhmosiografwn, poy qa kalycoyn tis ergasies ths Synodoy Koryfhs, exoyn programmatistei oi parakatw synenteyjeis Typoy:

H prwth synenteyjh Typoy ths Proedrias, qa pragmatopoihqei thn Pempth, stis 20.35, me antikeimeno th synedriash toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, gia th metanasteysh kai to asylo.

H deyterh synenteyjh Typoy, qa pragmatopoihqei thn Paraskeyh, stis 12.30, meta th deyterh synedriash toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, opoy o Proedros ths Eyrwpaikhs Syneleyshs Baleri Ziskar nt@ Esten qa paroysiasei to teliko keimeno toy sxedioy ths Syntagmatikhs Synqhkhs kai qa ginei syzhthsh gia thn epomenh Diakybernhtikh Diaskech.

H trith synenteyjh Typoy, qa pragmatopoihqei thn Paraskeyh, stis 18.30, me antikeimeno ta qemata poy qa exoyn syzhthqei sto geyma ergasias twn arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn, gia thn ekqesh Solana gia thn eyrwpaikh asfaleia kai thn poreia twn diatlantikwn sxesewn, opws epishs kai gia ta Symperasmata toy Symboylioy, meta thn trith synedriash toy.

H tetarth kai teleytaia synenteyjh Typoy, qa pragmatopoihqei to Sabbato, stis 10.30, meta th Diaskech Koryfhs E.E.-Dytikwn Balkaniwn.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

BITALHS: Shmera, exoyme dyo paraithseis enos ypoyrgoy kai enos meloys toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK. Exoyme th deyterh paraithsh ypoyrgoy, meta apo ayth toy k. Malesioy. To erwthma einai: Qa parameinei kenh h qesh toy k. Manika, gia toso megalo xroniko diasthma, oso exei parameinei toy k. Malesioy h o Prwqypoyrgos skeftetai syntoma na orisei antikatastath toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto oti, toso o k. Manikas, oso kai o k. Neonakhs ypebalan me dikh toys prwtoboylia tis paraithseis toys, gia logoys eyqijias. Ws gnwston, to xqesino porisma ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras apedeije th nomimothta twn energeiwn toys. Dhmioyrghqhkan, omws, kapoies entypwseis apo to ycos twn poswn ta opoia diakinhqhkan. Gia logoys eyqijias, loipon, kai prokeimenoy na mh dhmioyrghqoyn genikotera problhmata, alla kai gia na yperaspisoyn kalytera ton eayto toys, epelejan kai oi dyo thn odo ths paraithshs apo tis qeseis toys. Oi kyrioi Manikas kai Neonakhs epikoinwnhsan, shmera to prwi, me ton Prwqypoyrgo Kwsta Shmith kai toy anakoinwsan thn proqesh toys. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane dektes tis paraithseis toys. Apo ekei kai pera, o idios qa krinei to xroniko diasthma kai ton tropo me ton opoio qa pragmatopoihsei tis prwtoboylies poy exei anakoinwsei.

BITALHS: Yparxei, omws, mia kybernhsh h opoia se diasthma ligwn mhnwn kai ejaitias aytoy toy qoryboy, exase dyo ypoyrgoys. Mporei na synexisei na leitoyrgei, estw kai gia dyo meres akoma, me elliph synqesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas qymizw oti exei plhrwqei h qesh toy yfypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs. O Prwqypoyrgos qa krinei pote, me poion tropo kai se poia ektash qa ekdhlwsei tis prwtoboylies toy. Na eiste bebaioi oti qa to kanei.

FILHS: Apo thn epistolh paraithshs toy k. Manika prokyptei oti, apo tote poy arxisan ta dhmosieymata enantion toy, eixe zhthsei na paraithqei. Poio qema oysias mesolabhse, wste tote na mhn kanei o Prwqypoyrgos thn paraithsh dekth kai twra na thn kanei;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Manikas eixe qesei tote thn paraithsh toy sth diaqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Shmera, thn ypebale. Einai kati diaforetiko. Toys logoys gia toys opoioys ypebale thn paraithsh toy, toys ejhgei o idios sto keimeno ths epistolhs toy. Qewrei oti xrhsimopoieitai prosxhmatika to proswpo toy gia na meiwqei to shmantiko ergo ths kybernhshs kai to oysiastiko ergo toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den qelei na dwsei tetoia dikaiwmata kai ypebale thn paraithsh toy. O Prwqypoyrgos ektimhse oti prepei na thn kanei apodekth.

FILHS: Zhthqhke apo ton k. Manika h apo ton k. Neonakh na paraithqoyn h aytoi monoi toys eipan "paraitoymaste";

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na jekaqarisw safws kai me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo to ejhs: O k. Manikas kai o k. Neonakhs ypebalan tis paraithseis toy oikeia boylhsei. Epikoinwnhsan kai oi dyo, shmera to prwi, me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai toy gnwstopoihsan thn apofash toys na paraithqoyn gia logoys eyqijias. O Prwqypoyrgos apodexthke tis paraithseis toys kai sth synexeia syntaxqhkan oi sxetikes epistoles poy exete sta xeria sas.

FILHS: Giati den paraitoyntai kai apo boyleytes, wste na yparjei plhrhs dikastikh dialeykansh twn kataggeliwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: To dikastiko meros exei plhrws apodeixqei. Meta th xqesinh epistolh toy k. Qwmadakh, teleiwse oristika kai ametaklhta kaqe ekkremothta gyrw apo to dikastiko meros ths ypoqeshs. O k. Qwmadakhs anaferei sthn epistolh toy oti den yphrje kanena qema eswterikhs plhroforhshs kai kamias paranomias sthn ejetash twn logariasmwn poy dienhrghse.

FILHS: O Proedros ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras ejedwse ena porisma. Oi dikastikes arxes, ajiopoiwntas ayto to porisma h zhtwntas piqanws allh ereyna, mporei na ekdwsoyn allo porisma. Erwtw...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai opws ta lete.

FILHS: Ayth einai h ennomh tajh sthn Ellada, k. Ypoyrge.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti, meta th xqesinh epistolh toy k. Qwmadakh, apodeixqhke oti den yphrxe kamia eswterikh plhroforhsh gyrw apo to Xrhmatisthrio.

FILHS: Na akoysoyme ti qa pei kai o k. Kroystallakhs h o diadoxos toy. Erwtw, loipon, giati oi dyo, paraitoymenoi apo kommatiko kai kybernhtiko ajiwma, gia logoys eyqijias, den zhtoyn na arqei h asylia toys, prokeimenoy na ginei dikastikh ereyna gia tis kataggelies poy toys apodidontai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Diejhxqh dikastikh ereyna gia oles tis alles kataggelies. Paremene to qema gyrw apo to erwthma an yphrje eswterikh plhroforhsh. Se ayto to qema apanthse, me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo, o k. Qwmadakhs. Einai safes oti den yparxei kanena nomiko qema.

FILHS: Ean zhthqei h arsh ths asylias, ti qa kanei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa, hdh, oti den yfistatai, ayth th stigmh, nomiko qema.

FILHS: Ean yparjei nomiko qema, ti qa kanei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me to "ean" qa syzhthsoyme;

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa exei jana stis listes toys dyo sygkekrimenoys synergates toy, stis epomenes ekloges;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. Opws gnwrizete, symfwna me to Katastatiko toy Kinhmatos, oloi oi shmerinoi boyleytes einai ypochfioi kai h Kentrikh Epitroph epilegei poios na einai ypochfios boyleyths.

FILHS: Poia einai h proqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios einai arxhgos toy PASOK kai me bash to Syntagma aytos exei ton teliko logo sth lista twn ypochfiwn, qa einai ypochfioi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sthn apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h opoia lynei oles tis apories sas.

LAMPRAKOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe enhmerwqei, apo prin, apo ton k. Xristodoylakh gia to eggrafo toy k. Qwmadakh, to opoio qa kateqete sth Boylh h to emaqe meta apo thlefwnikh epikoinwnia, afoy katateqhke;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwqhke gia th syzhthsh sth Boylh, xqes, poly arga to brady.

LAMPRAKOS: Ara, o k. Xristodoylakhs kateqese to eggrafo, xwris na enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo.

PRWTOPAPAS: O idios o Prwqypoyrgos eixe dwsei entolh na ginei ereyna ths ypoqeshs. Opws gnwrizete, entolh eixe doqei kai ston k. Petsalniko. H idia entolh eixe doqei kai ston k. Xristodoylakh. Me bash thn entolh poy eixe o k. Petsalnikos, aphyqyne th gnwsth epistolh poy sas exw dwsei, pros ton eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy k. Kroystallakh, o opoios dietaje to dikastiko meros ths ereynas. O k. Xristodoylakhs, me th seira toy, aphyqyne erwthma pros ton k. Qwmadakh, o opoios apanthse xqes. O k. Xristodoylakhs, opws ofeile, edwse thn apanthsh toy k. Qwmadakh sthn Eqnikh Antiproswpeia, ara kai sth dhmosiothta.

GARGALAKOS: Aifnidiasthke o Prwqypoyrgos; Den hjere oti yphrxe ayto to porisma; Den eixe enhmerwqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwqhke xqes arga, meta thn epistrofh toy apo thn Italia.

GARGALAKOS: O ypoyrgos, prin to dwsei sth Boylh, den enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos epestrefe apo thn Italia kai gia ena megalo xroniko diasthma htan en pthsei, pragma poy kaqistoyse adynath thn epikoinwnia. O k. Xristodoylakhs breqhke me thn epistolh mesa sth diadikasia ths Boylhs kai to orqo htan na dwsei to porisma sth dhmosiothta. An den to eixe kanei, qa mporoysate orqa me th seira sas na cejete shmera ton k. Xristodoylakh gi@ ayto. Swsta, loipon, o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn edwse to porisma ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras sth dhmosiothta. Ejalloy, o Prwqypoyrgos den mporei na krinei to porisma mias anejarthths arxhs, to opoio -oytws h allws- qa gnwstopoioytan sth Boylh. Bebaiws enhmerwqhke gia ola ta tektainomena.

MIXAHL: Afoy, loipon, enhmerwqhke gia ola ta tektainomena o Prwqypoyrgos, enekrine toys xeirismoys toy k. Xristodoylakh;

PRWTOPAPAS: O xeirismos toy k. Xristodoylakh htan ypoxrewtikos. Den mporoyse na kanei kati allo.

MIXAHL: Mporoyse na perimenei na enhmerwsei prwta ton Prwqypoyrgo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Na krycei apo th Boylh to porisma; Ean einai dynaton. Den ginontai ayta.

MIXAHL: Oxi apo th Boylh. Rwtw: Giati o k. Xristodoylakhs den perimene na enhmerwsei prwta ton Prwqypoyrgo kai meta na kataqesei to eggrafo sth Boylh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti ajia qa eixe ayto;

MIXAHL: H ajia poy exei, mporei na einai diaforetikh apo ayth poy eseis nomizete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai porisma, poy bghke apo mia Anejarthth Arxh kai den to diapragmateyetai, den to allazei kaneis. Apo th stigmh poy to porisma fqanei sth Boylh, prepei na labei gnwsh h Boylh. Ean gia praktikoys logoys o Prwqypoyrgos brisketai en pthsh h se synanthsh me ton k. Mperloyskoni, tote enhmerwnei o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Giati prospaqeite na dhmioyrghsete qema ekei poy den yparxei; O idios o Prwqypoyrgos dinei entolh ston ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn N. Xristodoylakh kai ston ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs F. Petsalniko na laboyn ta anagkaia metra gia thn plhrh dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs. O k. Petsalnikos apeyqynei th gnwsth epistolh -h opoia sas eixe doqei- ston k. Kroystallakh, o opoios (eyaisqhtopoioymenos apo thn epistolh toy k. Petsalnikoy, dioti ayth h epistolh htan paraklhtikh ypo thn ennoia ths gnwstopoihshs) dinei entolh stoys armodioys Eisaggeleis na diejagoyn ereyna, ta apotelesmata ths opoias exoyn anakoinwqei. Parallhla, o k. Xristodoylakhs parakalei thn Anejarthth Arxh na toy gnwstopoihsei tis qeseis ths sxetika me to ean, opws fainetai apo thn kinhsh twn logariasmwn toys, yparxei h oxi eswterikh plhroforhsh gia to Xrhmatisthrio. Xqes, oloklhrwqhke to ergo ths Anejarthths Arxhs, h opoia stelnei epistolh sth Boylh. Einai ypoxrewtiko ayth h epistolh na katateqei sthn omilia toy k. Xristodoylakh, den ginetai diaforetika. Pws qa ginei, qa krycoyme epistoles;

MIXAHL: O k. Xristodoylakhs apo th stigmh poy parelabe to porisma toy k. Qwmadakh, gia logoys typikoys, alla kai gia logoys oysiastikhs eygeneias, enhmerwse toys kyrioys Manika kai Neonakh, oti exei sta xeria toy porisma to opoio...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, nai.

KARGOYDH: Yioqeteite to xarakthrismo poy periexetai me megalyterh safhneia sth dhlwsh toy k. Neonakh peri ``skeywriwn'', oi opoioi ena mono stoxo exoyn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynato na pairnoyme tmhmata kai na krinoyme ta tmhmata apo ta keimena twn paraithsewn;

KARGOYDH: Ti ennoeite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi paraithseis ypoblhqhkan me eyqynh twn paraitoymenwn, oi opoioi anelaban, me dikh toys boylhsh, thn eyqynh ths paraithshs. Den exw kanena allo sxolio.

KARGOYDH: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi me ton tropo poy oloklhrwqhke h xqesinh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia; Xqes, syzhthqhke mia protash ths N.D. gia systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia to Xrhmatisthrio. Epeidh dieyrynqhke to periexomeno, qelw na rwthsw, ean eiste ikanopoihmenoi, giati ekei dieyrynqhke to politiko periexomeno, shmeiwqhkan diarroes apo to kybernhtiko stratopedo se epipedo chfwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to prosejate kala. Ean qymaste to apotelesma ths chfoforias htan 143 enanti 132.

KARGOYDH: Den eipa oti apwlesate thn pleiochfia. Eipa oti yphrjan diarroes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apontes, opws eidate, yphrjan toso apo thn kybernhsh, oso kai apo thn antipoliteysh. Ayto einai synhqes fainomeno, to opoio, polles fores, parathreitai sth Boylh. Opws gnwrizete, sthn onomastikh chfoforia gia toys XYTA, to apotelesma ths chfoforias htan peripoy paromoio, 142 enanti 134.

KARGOYDH: Den shmainei pagiopoihsh kapoiwn diarrown apo thn pleyra ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den htan oi idioi. Einai synhqes na apoysiazoyn kapoioi boyleytes, gia polloys logoys.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Yphrjan kai sxetikes dhlwseis apo boyleytes ths kybernhtikhs pleiochfias poy den paresthsan, poy htan mallon epikritikes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ap` o,ti exw dei shmera, oi perissoteres dhlwseis eginan apo boyleytes poy paresthsan sth syzhthsh sth Boylh.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Eipate kai diabebaiwsate oti ta dyo stelexh sas paraithqhkan me dikh toys boylhsh. Ennoeite oti o Prwqypoyrgos, epistefontas arga xqes apo thn Italia kai afoy enhmerwqhke gia osa eginan sth Boylh kai gia to gegonos oti o k. Neonakhs ``tzirarise'' sto Xrhmatisthrio 22 dis ekatommyria, den aisqanqhke thn anagkh na toys zhthsei tis paraithseis toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa ayto poy eixa na pw. Oi kyrioi Manikas kai Neonakhs, me dikh toys boylhsh, epikoinwnhsan shmera to prwi me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai toy aneferan oti, gia logoys eyqijias, paraitoyntai, o men k. Manikas apo th qesh toy ypoyrgoy Epikrateias, o de k. Neonakhs apo th qesh toy sto Ektelestiko Grafeio toy PASOK.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Rwtw gia thn politikh eyqynh kai ton tropo me ton opoio th diaxeirizetai o Prwqypoyrgos.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos diaxeirizetai panta me apolyth politikh eyqynh oles tis epiloges. Gnwrizei poly kala poia stigmh kai me poion tropo kanei tis epiloges toy kai poia mhnymata dinei ston ellhniko lao.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa moy epitrecete mia erwthsh poy afora to E.G. toy PASOK. O k. Neonakhs feygei. Anaplhrwmatiko melos einai o k. Pagkalos. Qelw na rwthsw, efoson gnwrizete ean oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei apofasisei na kalyfqei ayth h qesh apo ton Pagkalo h na exoyme neo E.G., tis epomenes hmeres;

PRWTOPAPAS: H erwthsh ayth prepei na apeyqynqei sto Grafeio Typoy toy PASOK, to opoio einai armodio na apanthsei. Ayth th stigmh, den gnwrizw poies einai oi politikes prwtoboylies poy qa labei o Prwqypoyrgos.

KALARITHS: H kybernhsh qewrei oti einai mono qema entypwsewn, opws eipate h kai qema oysias, o ogkos synallagwn twn 22 dis drx.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw pei kat' epanalhch oti to erwthma poy teqhke kai apasxolhse oloys mas, olon ayto ton kairo, einai an yparxei paranomh prajh h oxi. Loipon, den yparxei paranomh prajh. Kai pisteyw oti ayto jekaqaristhke xqes kata ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo. Apo kei kai pera, qelw na qymisw oti tote den apagoreyotan, oyte se ypoyrgoys, oyte se boyleytes, oyte se stelexh na ependyoyn sto Xrhmatisthrio. Epeidh diapistwqhke h yparjh problhmatos, o Prwqypoyrgos phre thn prwtoboylia kai me sxetikh tropologia, h opoia chfisthke apo th Boylh, apagoreythke stoys ypoyrgoys kai se alla kybernhtika stelexh h agora metoxwn, dhladh h ependysh sto Xrhmatisthrio, kata th diarkeia ths qhteias toys. Tote, omws, den yphrxe paranomh prajh.

KALARITHS: An moy epitrepete, ta 22 dis apoteloyn politiko qema h oxi; Ennow ayton kaq' ayton ton ogko twn synallagwn, epeidh, eipate gia entypwseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me th logikh sas qa prepei na ftasoyme se alla qemata kai den epiqymw ayth th stigmh n' anoijw tetoio qema. Epanalambanw, oti ekeino poy prepei na krinetai s' aytes tis periptwseis kai ekeino to opoio mas apasxolhse, htan to erwthma poy teqhke ston k. Qwmadakh. To erwthma anefere, ean yphrje ypocia eswterikhs plhroforhshs, an yphrje paixnidi aparadekto h ean yphrje kati to opoio mporei na qewrhqei ws paranomia h ypocia paranomias. H eyqeia apanthsh poy doqhke apo ton k. Qwmadakh htan arnhtikh. Epomenws, den yparxei kanena qema nomimothtas, kanena qema parabiashs nomoy, kanena qema to opoio prepei na kinhsei alles diadikasies. Ayto kriqhke. Apo kei kai pera, gia ta ypoloipa zhthmata oi kyrioi Manikas kai Neonakhs ekrinan skopimo -epeidh dhmioyrghqhkan kapoies entypwseis- na ypobaloyn thn paraithsh toys, gia logoys eyqijias. Ayto den apanta sto erwthma sas;

GARGALAKOS: Gia logoys, qa elege kaneis, isonomias, mia poy o k. Qwmadakhs me entolh ths kybernhshs@

PRWTOPAPAS: "Entolh"; Me aithma ths kybernhshs.

GARGALAKOS: Entajei, onomaste to opws qelete. O k. Qwmadakhs ecaje tis xrhmatisthriakes synallages dyo boyleytwn kai malista aqroistika gia ola ta xronia. H kybernhsh protiqetai, gia na exoyme kai mia genikh entypwsh twn pragmatwn na kanei to idio pragma, oxi mono gia oloys toys boyleytes ths sympoliteyshs, alla kai gia toys 300 boyleytes toy Koinoboylioy, na maqoyme, epiteloys, ws ellhnikos laos ti ekanan oi 300 ekeinh thn periodo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa eixe idiaitero endiaferon ayto to qema, alla den mporw na sas apanthsw ayth th stigmh.

BITALHS: Lete kai jekaqarizete kai me bash thn epistolh toy k. Qwmadakh oti den yfistatai kanena nomiko qema. Wstoso, me to na dexqei o Prwqypoyrgos paraithsh ypoyrgoy den anagnwrizei yparjh politikoy problhmatos; Otan ki eseis o idios lete oti, ejaitias kai twn entypwsewn poy dhmioyrghqhkan apo ton Typo, o k. Neonakhs kai o k. Manikas - eidika aytos epeidh einai ypoyrgos - efqase sto shmeio na energopoihsei thn paraithsh toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den xreiazetai na prosqesw tipota perissotero s' ayta poy exw pei.

BITALHS: Dhladh, den yparxei politiko qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa prin ston synadelfo sas kai qelw na to epanalabw: Den yparxei kanena qema nomimothtas. Prepei na to lysoyme gia na to exoyme kaqaro mprosta mas. Oles oi synallages eginan symfwna me to Nomo, symfwna me tis keimenes diatajeis. Oyte eswterikh plhroforhsh yphrje, oyte paixnidia me to Xrhmatisthrio, oyte allhs morfhs parembaseis. Yphrje ena qema entypwsewn sthn Koinh Gnwmh, ejaitias toy ycoys toy tziroy me to aqroisma twn agorwn kai twn pwlhsewn. Ejaitias aytoy dhmioyrghqhkan aytes oi entypwseis. Oi kyrioi Manikas kai Neonakhs, meta apo tis entypwseis poy dhmioyrghqhkan, epelejan na epikoinwnhsoyn me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai na toy anakoinwsoyn oti protiqentai na ypobaloyn thn paraithsh toys. O Prwqypoyrgos apedexqh tis paraithseis toys kai sth synexeia akoloyqhse h antallagh twn sxetikwn graptwn keimenwn. Ayto apanta plhrws sthn erwthsh sas.

LAMPRAKOS: Dhladh, apodexetai o Prwqypoyrgos oti yparxei qema tziroy gia na paijei kaneis sto Xrhmatisthrio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa me mia makroskelh paragrafo. Mhn epixeireite na apomonwsete kapoia frash moy. Isxyoyn osa dhlwsa.

LAMPRAKOS: Gia poio logo dexqhke tis paraithseis toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: An prosejete kala ti eipa, qa to katalabete.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Sygnwmh, k. Ypoyrge, alla egw den exw katalabei akomh. Qelw mia dieykrinish: Telika gia thn kybernhsh einai qema dhmioyrgias entypwsewn h synista politiko problhma ayth h istoria;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei oloklhrwmena. Safws, oi entypwseis aytes einai politikes entypwseis. Den htan entypwseis apo ena qeama poy eide kapoios.

KOTARIDHS: Oi kyrioi Manikas kai Neonakhs perimenan to porisma toy k. Qwmadakh gia n' anakalycoyn posa lefta eixan paijei sto Xrhmatisthrio; Dhladh, giati na perimenoyn na bgei ayto to porisma apo th stigmh poy hjeran oti ta teleytaia xronia eixan tzirarei ayta ta posa;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn mplejoyme se tetoies syzhthseis twra. Kat' arxhn o k. Manikas eixe dwsei plhrh stoixeia toy logariasmoy toy sth dhmosiothta. Qa hqela na sas to qymisw ayto. @Htan gnwsth h kinhsh toy logariasmoy toy k. Manika, poy ekeinh thn periodo den eixe dhmioyrghsei kamia entypwsh kai den eixe prokalesei kanena sxolio. Apo kei kai pera mesolabhse h koinopoihsh ths epistolhs toy k. Qwmadakh me th dhmosiopoihsh twn stoixeiwn agorwn kai pwlhsewn. Ektimhsan oi synadelfoi oti dhmioyrgeitai ena politiko qema, qewrhsan oti dhmioyrgoyntai politikes entypwseis kai proxwrhsan sth sygkekrimenh kinhsh gia logoys eyqijias. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane dektes tis paraithseis toys. Poio einai to qema; Den katalabainw.

GARGALAKOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos xarakthrise politika orqes tis paraithseis twn dyo stelexwn. Prosypografete ayton ton isxyrismo, oti einai politika orqes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Tosh wra ti lew k. Gargalako; Safws to prosypografw. H ektimhsh einai, apo th stigmh poy ekrinan oi dyo synadelfoi oti eprepe na ypobaloyn tis paraithseis toys gia logoys eyqijias, den exei kaneis logo na diafwnhsei mazi toys.

GARGALAKOS: Kai kati allo: Epeidh yparxei kapoio problhma, me to zhthma, ean h kybernhsh exei plhrofories gia drash akraiwn stoixeiwn sth Qesaslonikh, yparxei ena prwtoselido ths efhmeridas "TO BHMA", sto opoio anaferetai oti h kybernhsh fobatai to endexomenos mias neas -8, ekei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Diabasa to sxetiko dhmosieyma kai den mporw para na ekfrasw tis anhsyxies moy gia ena tetoio endexomeno. Qewrw aparadekto na yparxoyn tetoies logikes, kata th diarkeia twn diadhlwsewn h ekdhlwsewn poy qa laboyn xwra sth Qessalonikh kata th diarkeia ths Synodoy toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Bebaiws, kaqenas exei to dikaiwma na diadhlwsei kata ths Pagkosmiopoihshs. Qelw, omws, na dhlwsw pros tis koinwnikes organwseis, tis politikes neolaies, ta politika kommata, ta opoia sthrizoyn aytes tis diadhlwseis kai tis loipes ekdhlwseis, oti ofeiloyn na laboyn ola ta anagkaia metra, wste thn wra poy ekeinoi qa diadhlwnoyn kata ths Pagkosmiopoihshs (kai eimaste anoiktoi sta qemata poy exoyn qesei), thn idia wra na laboyn oi idioi kai ola ta anagkaia metra gia thn prostasias ths xwhs, ths asfaleias kai toy moxqoy twn katoikwn ths Qessalonikhs. Kai ayto einai poly shmantiko. Oloi ofeiloyme na laboyme ta anagkaia gia na perifroyrhsoyme thn oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh ths polhs. Kaneis den prepei na epitrecei kata th diarkeia aytwn twn ekdhlwsewn na dhmioyrghqoyn akraia fainomena kai epiqeseis. Kai kalw oloys kai thn Panepisthmiakh Koinothta kai tis politikes neolaies kai tis megales koinwnikes organwseis, poy organwnoyn tis ekdhlwseis kai tis diadhlwseis, thn idia wra twn diadhlwsewn na laboyn oi idies, me eyqynh toys, ola ta anagkaia metra gia na perifroyrhqei h omalh zwh sthn polh.

MIXAHL: Basei ths nomoqesias to Panepisthmio exei to asylo toy kai den mporei na ginei parembash twn armodiwn organwn ths Politeias. Omws, yparxoyn plhrofories oti sto xwro toy Panepisthmioy Qessalonikhs -isws eiste enhmeros- exoyn hdh sygkentrwqei bombes molotof kai alla ekrhktika. Exete kapoia enhmerwsh apo tis armodies arxes, gia na epibebaiwsete h oxi aytes tis plhrofories;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn sxetikes plhrofories. Omws, to zhtoymeno einai, ti kanoyme se ayth thn periptwsh; Yparxei h Panepisthmiakh Koinothta, oi politikes neolaies, oi foithtikes paratajeis, oi energoi polites poy qeloyn na symmetasxoyn se kapoies diadhlwseis kata ths Pagkosmiopoihshs. Toys kaloyme oloys, thn wra poy qa diadhlwnoyn kata ths Pagkosmiopoihshs, na laboyn ta anagkaia metra gia thn prostasia twn katoikwn ths Qessalonikhs.

FILHS: H kybernhsh enqarrynei th symmetoxh twn politwn stis diadhlwseis; To PASOK zhta na kateboyn oi opadoi toy stis diadhlwseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: To PASOK, opws gnwrizete, alla kai h kybernhsh -exoyn ginei epaneilhmmena dhlwseis toy k. G. Papandreoy kai toy k. Pasxalidh- exoyn anoikta ta aytia kai ta matia sta aithmata poy qetoyn oi koinwnikes organwseis kata th diarkeia twn diadhlwsewn kata ths Pagkosmiopoihshs poy qa ginoyn sth Qessalonikh. Qeloyme na einai eirhnikes aytes oi diadhlwseis. Qeloyme na laboyme ypoch mas ta zhthmata poy qetoyn. Qeloyme me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia na proseggisoyme ayta ta sygxrona problhmata.

FILHS: Sas rwtw, ean qa kalesete -opws egine, gia paradeigma stis antipolemikes diadhlwseis (teleytaia stigmh eixan oi boyleytes kai nea stoixeia apo thn pleyra toy PASOK) toys polites na diadhlwsoyn sth Qessalonikh mazi me tis alles organwseis@

PRWTOPAPAS: Apeyqynqeite sto PASOK. H kybernhsh den mporei na to kanei ayto.

FILHS: Exoyme kapoia ektimhsh apo to PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na prokaqorisw apofaseis toy Kinhmatos. Omws, einai gnwsth h antilhch poy exei h kybernhsh kai to komma apenanti stis diadhlwseis.

FILHS: Thn wra poy milame edw, dipla sto Syntagma, h Dieqnhs Amnhstia, diorganwse ekdhlwsh diamartyrias kai zhtei na mhn ypografei h symfwnia metajy E.E. kai HPA gia thn ekdosh politwn, thn opoia me toso zhlo etoimase h Ellhnikh Proedria, qewrwntas oti einai antidhmokratikh, katapata to domiko politismo ths Eyrwphs klp. Qa hqela na jerw, an lambanei sobara ypoch aythn thn kritikh poy askoyn oi dieqneis organwseis h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi topoqethseis kaqe dieqnoys organwshs, opws kai twn ellhnikwn organwsewn, safws lambanontai ypoch kai ejetazontai. Apo kei kai pera, exoyme epaneilhmmena topoqethqei (kai dia toy k. Petsalnikoy kai sthn aiqoysa ayth eixame thn eykairia na to syzhthsoyme) se sxesh me thn pragmatikh diastash ayths ths symfwnias. Exoyme jekaqarisei oti den yparxei kanena qema ekdoshs Ellhnwn politwn.

FILHS: Yparxei periptwsh h epimaxh kai toso sobarh symfwnia telika na perasei apo th Boylh h den qa perasei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa thrhqei o,ti problepetai se aytes tis periptwseis.

FILHS: Einai diforoymeno to "o,ti problepetai".

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn probleceis gyrw apo aytes tis symfwnies. O,ti problepetai, qa thrhqei.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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