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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Maioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

To programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy to anakoinwsa xqes, sthn Kerkyra.

Qa hqela na jekinhsw me to qema toy ojews anapneystikoy syndromoy, ena para poly sobaro zhthma poy apasxolei, ayth th stigmh, olh th xwra kai na pw oti qa yparjei, opws me plhroforhse prin apo ligo o yfypoyrgos k. Nasiwkas, eidikh anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, h opoia qa ejhgei ola ta sxetika me to peristatiko.

Gnwrizete poly kala oti yphrje amesh kinhtopoihsh kai etoimothta toy kratikoy mhxanismoy. Ayth th stigmh, bebaiws, den eimaste se qesh na dwsoyme thn telikh anafora, gi` aythn thn periptwsh an dhladh einai h den einai kroysma toy ojews anapneystikoy syndromoy. Qa yparjoyn, omws, gia ola ayta anakoinwseis toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, to opoio parakoloyqei apo poly konta, panta me th bohqeia twn eidikwn kentrwn kai episthmonwn, thn olh katastash.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish: Ti ennoeite otan lete oti "den eimaste se qesh ayth th stigmh"; Ennoeite oti twra, eseis, den mporeite na mas peite h to ypoyrgeio Ygeias, otan qa anakoinwsei se ligh wra@

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo o,ti moy eipe, molis prin, o k. Nasiwkas to ypoyrgeio den einai etoimo akomh. Xarakthrizei to peristatiko ws "ypopto kroysma", alla krataei th lejh "ypopto".

MIXAHL: Ayto, dhladh, shmainei k. Ekproswpe oti otan to ypoyrgeio Ygeias, se ligh wra -den jerw posh akribws qa xreiastei- kanei th sxetikh anakoinwsh, mporei na mhn jeroyme akribws an ontws prokeitai gia kroysma @

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai poly piqano, kai einai logiko, dioti apaiteitai seira ejetasewn. To xarakthrisan "ypopto", to anakoinwsan kai ginontai hdh oi aparaithtes ejetaseis, prokeimenoy na ejakribwqei ti akribws symbainei.

Nomizw oti etsi eprepe na kanoyn. Einai mia para poly orqh energeia kai deixnei thn eparkh proetoimasia, alla kai thn etoimothta toy mhxanismoy toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai twn eidikwn kentrwn.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, fobaste oti ayto to ypopto kroysma mporei na dhmioyrghsei paniko ston plhqysmo ths xwras h na problhqei kata tetoio tropo poy na prokalesei zhmia ston Toyrismo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimaste apo tis xwres ths Eyrwphs poy exoyme monon ena piqano -symfwna me thn ekfrash poy edwse to ypoyrgeio Ygeias- ypopto kroysma. Qelw na qymisw oti ligo-poly se oles tis xwres exoyn ekdhlwqei kapoia kroysmata. Den yparxei kanenas logos anhsyxias. Eidate thn amesh etoimothta, thn amesh antapokrish toy kratikoy mhxanismoy kai thn plhrh proetoimasia apo toys eidikoys episthmones, oi opoioi mas enhmerwnoyn kai malista, apo o,ti eidate shmera, me ton pio plhrh tropo. Den prepei na dhmioyrgoyme problhma ekei poy den yparxei. Qa elega oti to prwi akoysa kai mia allh ektimhsh. Piqano, leei, na dhmioyrghqei problhma se sxesh me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Den einai dynato na yparjei o opoiosdhpote sysxetismos toy dieqnoys aytoy problhmatos -kai oxi ellhnikoy- me th diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn ths Aqhnas, oi opoioi qa ginoyn se 15 mhnes. Prepei na prosexoyme poly. Einai ena dieqnes problhma poy edw den to eixame. Ayth th stigmh exoyme mono ena ypopto kroysma poy menei na apodeixqei kai oi eidikoi doyleyoyn me idiaitero aisqhma eyqynhs. Den einai dynato na probainoyme se opoiadhpote kinhsh adikaiologhtoy panikoy h adikaiologhths genikeyshs enos peristatikoy. Einai para poly periorismeno, einai ena mono ypopto kroysma gia to opoio yphrje amesh antapokrish toy kratikoy mhxanismoy. Oyte bebaia einai dynato na to syndeoyme ayqaireta kai anypostata me th diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Se ayta ta qemata, qelw na parakalesw kai na zhthsw th bohqeia olwn sas -poy pisteyw oti qa doqei, opws panta, dioti ta ellhnika MME ferontai ypeyqyna se tetoies periptwseis- giati prepei na dhmioyrghsoyme to aparaithto aisqhma asfaleias kai staqerothtas sthn koinwnia mas.

A. PAPADOPOYLOS: Afoy exoyn lhfqei ola ta metra, giati tote ayrio apergoyn oi nosokomeiakoi giatroi, diamartyromenoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyn dhmioyrghqei eidikes monades kai exoyn doqei entoles gia eidika metra prostasias. To prwi akoysa kapoio synadelfo sas na leei oti amesws molis ekdhlwqhke h ypocia oti mporei kati na symbainei oloi oi giatroi ebalan tis eidikes maskes, apomonwsan amesws to xwro kai esteilan ena nosokomeiako sthn eidikh monada poy yparxei. Ayto shmainei oti oi anqrwpoi aytoi hdh eixan tis odhgies, hdh eixan ta aparaithta ylika, hdh yphrxe h eidikh monada. Ayta den eginan jafnika xqes to brady. Eixan proetoimastei me thn epimeleia poy eprepe apo to ypoyrgeio Ygeias.

MIXAHL: Mhpws jerete na mas peite poioi einai oi alazones stoys opoioys anaferqhke xqes o Prwqypoyrgos; An oxi proswpa, poies genikws kathgories afora.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe xqes oti den prepei na exoyme thn alazoneia na pisteyoyme oti emeis katexoyme thn apolyth alhqeia kai oti en pash periptwsei den mas endiaferei otidhpote ginetai ayth th stigmh sthn Eyrwph h otidhpote ginetai se sxesh me thn prowqhsh ths politikhs kai twn symferontwn ths xwras, toso sto ejwteriko, oso kai sto eswteriko, se sxesh me toys polites.

Me thn eykairia qelw na jekaqarisw oti den prepei na yparxei h logikh oti epeidh perimenoyme kati -to opoio piqano na exei sto kefali toy o kaqenas opws qelei- oti ayth th stigmh to kybernhtiko ergo den ejelissetai kai den proxwrei omala se oloys toys tomeis. Kaqe allo malista. Ayto poy hqele o Prwqypoyrgos xqes na fanei einai oti ayto poy ginetai me tis periodeies toy kai me th doyleia ths ellhnikhs Proedrias endiaferei amesa th xwra, endiaferei amesa toys polites kai einai kaqoristiko gia to mellon ths xwras. Alla, kai oti to kybernhtiko ergo ejelissetai, den anamenei. O kaqe ypoyrgos, ston tomea eyqynhs toy, paragei ergo, erxetai kai ylopoiei ayta poy eixame ejaggeilei, kanei prajh ayta gia ta opoia eixame desmeytei kai anadeiknyei me tis prwtoboylies toy aytes tis prajeis, oi opoies kaqhmerina paragontai apo th leitoyrgia ths kybernhshs kai thn paragwgh kybernhtikoy ergoy. Den prepei na dhmioyrghsoyme mia epiplasth prosmonh ston ellhniko lao oti shmera den ginetai tipote kai oti jafnika meta apo ena, enamish mhna qa ginei kati tromero. To kybernhtiko ergo proxwrei kai ejelissetai omala. H xwra kybernatai kala. Den yparxei keno. Ta zhthmata ayta poy ejelissontai endiaferoyn amesa ton ellhniko lao. Den mporoyme -kai ekei mphke h lejh "alazonika"- na ta xarakthrizoyme ws mh shmantika, ws mh endiaferonta, ws mh yparxonta les kai, enw aforoyn olh thn Eyrwph, den aforoyn emas, den kaqorizoyn to mellon mas, den ephreazoyn tis tyxes mas. Kaqe analyths mporei na exei tis politikes apoceis toy kai kaneis den mporei na ton empodisei na pei ayto poy pisteyei, ayto poy proteinei. Alla, h kybernhsh den kineitai me bash to an qa ginei h den qa ginei anasxhmatismos. Kai to lew ayto epeidh yparxei mia akatasxeth anasxhmatismologia. Qeloyme na eimaste gia na eimaste xrhsimoi ston topo kai oxi na kanoyme politikes probleceis. Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai h doyleia mas. Kai h entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai na prowqhqei ayto to ergo, na antapokriqoyme sthn eyqynh poy exoyme analabei. Kai ayto kanoyme oloi.

XRISTAKOS: Kai h synexeia ths xqesinhs frashs toy poy elege oti qa einai ashmantoi osoi den mporoyn na antapejelqoyn se ayth thn prospaqeia, se poioys anaferotan; Fantazomai oti einai ena mhnyma pros kapoioys, poioi einai aytoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ena politiko mhnyma, to opoio exei sxesh me logikes. O Prwqypoyrgos den kanei onomastikes anafores, synomilei me thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Eipe, loipon, oti h logikh ayth poy qelei na mhn asxoloymaste me ayta, alla na asxoloymaste me to poioi qa einai h den qa einai ypoyrgoi einai mia logikh dysaresth gia ton ellhniko lao kai den prowqei ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy laoy. Einai mia logikh poy qelei na mhn kybernatai h xwra. Ayth h logikh den mporei na ginei apodekth. Emeis koitame th doyleia mas kai qewroyme oti h Proedria einai mia para poly shmantikh doyleia, giati afora to mellon toy Ellhna polith. Oi dieqneis prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, anabaqmizoyn th qesh ths xwras kai qa ephreasoyn ayrio kai tis ependyseis kai ton Toyrismo, kai thn apasxolhsh kai olh thn eikona ths xwras sto neo dieqnes periballon. Alla, pera apo tis prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy oi ypoyrgoi ayth th stigmh paragoyn ergo kai stis synanthseis toys me ton Prwqypoyrgo syzhtoyntai sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies poy anaptyssontai ayth thn periodo. Den yparxei anabolh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Doyleyoyme kai prowqoyme th doyleia mas, me sygkekrimenes kinhseis. Kanoyme ayto poy exoyme yposxeqei na kanoyme.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Dekatreis hmeres meta th dhlwsh ths Prwtomagias apo ton k. Shmith, ektimate oti h kybernhsh exei petyxei to stoxo ths na mhn kaqorizetai h dhmosia atzenta apo alloys, opws eixe pei o Prwqypoyrgos h aytos o stoxos akomh den exei epiteyxqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti aytos o stoxos exei epiteyxqei kai den htan dynato na mhn epiteyxqei. Kapoia stigmh qa milhsoyme gia ta politika pragmata kai ekei na sygkroystoyme kai me tis alles politikes dynameis. Den einai kako. H politikh sygkroysh, xwris ojythtes, alla me epixeirhmata, einai stoixeio ths Dhmokratias mas. Den qewroyme oti einai kako na antiparatassomaste politika me th N.D. h me ta alla kommata, alla panw se sygkekrimenh atzenta poy endiaferei ton ellhniko lao kai panw sta problhmata toy. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno. Den qa emplakoyme, den qa akoloyqhsoyme sygkroyseis epixeirhmatiwn. Kai me ayth thn eykairia, epitrecte moy na sas pw oti safws diaceydoyme, me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo, dhmosieymata poy anaferontai se dhqen kybernhtiko endiaferon h dhqen kybernhtikes parembaseis se epixeirhmatikes diapragmateyseis. An einai dynaton!

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa sas parakalesw na sxoliasete tria syntomotata erwthmata. Prwton, th dhlwsh Mperloyskoni oti einai etoimos na metabei sthn Kypro me ton k. Shmith kai ton k. Erntogan, prokeimenoy na broyn lysh sto Kypriako. Den jerw ti ennoei o k. Mperloyskoni! Mesa sta Hnwmena Eqnh h ejw apo ayta; Deyteron, qa hqela na sxoliasete thn apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy, to opoio zhthse epishmws thn apoxwrhsh twn toyrkikwn strateymatwn katoxhs apo thn Kypro. Kai triton, th xqesinh dhlwsh Ntenktas, o opoios sthn oysia, qelontas na katarghsei to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio, kalei toys Ellhnokyprioys, oson afora tis perioysies toys, na mhn prosfeygoyn ekei, alla qa dhmioyrghsei o idios ena dikasthrio sto opoio qa prosfeygoyn gia na broyn to dikio toys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai adiorqwtos o k. Ntenktas. Ejalloy, exoyme kai emeis egkataleicei thn elpida oti o k. Ntenktas mporei na symbalei se omales kinhseis gia thn ejeyresh lyshs sto Kypriako. O k. Ntenktas, opws fainetai, qelei mono thn "ejoysia", thn opoia exei shmera. Den endiaferetai gia ta symferonta ths Koinothtas poy ekproswpei. To mono poy ton endiaferei einai na diathrhqei ena status, to opoio mporei na wfelei ayton -s@ ayto den amfiballoyme- alla den wfelei kaqoloy toys Toyrkokyprioys. Einai safes, loipon, oti aytes oi apoceis toy k. Ntenktas den einai apodektes gia na proxwrhsei swsta ayto poy apaitei h dieqnhs koinothta kai ta symferonta twn Koinothtwn ths Kyproy. Apo ekei kai pera, den exoyme para na ekfrasoyme thn ikanopoihsh mas se kaqe kinhsh, h opoia prowqei tis apoceis mas gia thn anagkh ameshs kai dikaihs ejeyreshs lyshs toy Kypriakoy, sto plaisio toy OHE. Kat@ arxas, antilambanomai -ayto bebaia menei na dieykrinistei- oti h proqesh "prwtoboylias" toy k. Mperloyskoni exei na kanei me thn Italikh Proedria. Se kaqe periptwsh, pantws, oi opoies kinhseis prepei na ginontai se synennohsh kai mesa sto plaisio toy OHE. Mporei na einai ejaggelia, enocei ths Italikhs Proedrias, oti qa yparjei endiaferon gia to Kypriako, to opoio einai qemito kai anagkaio, alla panta mesa sto plaisio toy OHE.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Mias kai milame gia ton k. Ntenktas, qa hqela na sxoliasete, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, tis prosfates dhlwseis toy Arxiepiskopoy Xristodoyloy, apo to radiofwniko staqmo ths Ekklhsias, o opoios eipe oti eyxaristei ton Ntenktas poy aperrice to Sxedio toy OHE kai etsi...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den epiqymw na sxoliasw tis dhlwseis toy Arxiepiskopoy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Epeidh briskomaste se mia periodo, kata thn opoia -apo o,ti, toylaxiston, exw antilhfqei- oi prospaqeies, toso apo thn kypriakh, oso kai apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, gia lysh sto plaisio toy OHE, me bash to Sxedio Anan, synexizontai. Synexizete kai eseis na mh qelete na sxoliasete aytes tis dhlwseis; Epimenete na mh qelete na sxoliasete tis dhlwseis toy Arxiepiskopoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den katalabainw ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo. Qeloyme na yparjei lysh sto Kypriako, poy na prokycei mesa apo diapragmateyseis, mesa apo to Sxedio Anan. Einai safes ayto.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Bebaia, me diorqwseis sto Sxedio Anan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes ayto. Exoyme pei kai alla pragmata, ta opoia isxyoyn. Exoyme pei, gia paradegima, oti h entajiakh poreia ths Toyrkias perna mesa apo thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy. Isxyei apolyta. Apo ekei kai pera, den einai swsto na sxoliazoyme kaqe dhlwsh poy ginetai apo qesmikoys paragontes sthn Ellada.

MIXAHL: Plhqainoyn ta dhmosieymata oti h kybernhsh -kai to exei dhlwsei, allwste kai o k. Skandalidhs- apo poly kairo, prin kan diamorfwqei to klima twn teleytaiwn ebdomadwn, prokeitai na ejaggeilei prwtoboylia gia thn allagh sto eklogiko systhma, ston eklogiko nomo, gia tis meqepomenes ekloges. Mhpws mporeite na mas peite peripoy pote problepete apo toys sxediasmoys sas na ekdhlwqei ayth h prwtoboylia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi prwtoboylies poy qa ekdhlwqoyn apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs qa apofasistoyn stis synanthseis poy qa ginoyn metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy armodioy ypoyrgoy K. Skandalidh kai sta kybernhtika organa. Ayth th stigmh, einai prosdiorismenh gia thn Pempth mia synanthsh, sthn opoia piqanon na ejetastoyn oi politikes prwtoboylies h ta qemata poy prowqei to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, se sxesh me ton eksygxronismo toy politikoy systhmatos mas. Ti sygkekrimena qa ginei, qa bgei meta apo aytes tis synanthseis kai bebaiws me ta qemata poy qa erqoyn sta kybernhtika organa.

MIXAHL: Yparxoyn dyo stoixeia: To ena einai h oysia twn oswn qa proteinete. Ayto qa prepei na to doyme kai tote qa to krinoyme kai qa to syzhthsoyme. To qema, omws, einai oti, epeidh eseis ws kybernhsh kai o k. Skandalidhs eixe pei oti meta to Pasxa qa ekdhlwsei thn prwtoboylia toy, mhpws exete na mas peite peripoy...;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia na ekdhlwsei prwtoboylia o k. Skandalidhs prepei prwta na synennohqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai sth synexeia na yparjei mia genikoterh syzhthsh sthn kybernhsh. O k. Skandalidhs kanei poly kala th doyleia toy, exei etoimasei prwtoboylies, exei dei ton Prwqypoyrgo, exei syzhthsei mia seira qematwn, exei anaferqei o idios -kai poly kala ekane- gia paradeigma ston "poqen esxes". Apo kei kai pera, exei kai pali synanthsh, thn Pempth, me ton Prwqypoyrgo. As perimenoyme ta apotelesmata ayths ths synanthshs. Den yparxei kanenas logos na biastoyme. O,ti kriqei pws prepei na proxwrhsei amesa, qa proxwrhsei. Na eiste bebaioi gi@ ayto.

SOYGLERHS: Exete kati na mas peite gia thn prwtoboylia twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn ths Aqhnas na metadidoyn 12wro programma stoys perifereiakoys staqmoys ths eparxias, mias kai dhmioyrgeitai terastio problhma ekei. Kapoioi synadelfoi diamartyrontai oti qa xasoyn th doyleia toys, kapoioi...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai qema ths diktywshs.

SOYGLERHS: Nai, ths diktywshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa exw thn eykairia na to syzhthsw shmera sth Boylh. Qa hqela na moy afhsete tis piqanes prwtoboylies gia to apogeyma sth Boylh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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