Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-11-27

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27 Noembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apo th stigmh kata thn opoia kai typikws den gnwrizoyme thn apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn gia thn apozhmiwsh, ean kai efoson kai poso qa katalogistei eis baros toy Ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, gia th legomenh ``basilikh perioysia'', poios o logos na bgei xqes h anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, poy na mas perigrafei olh thn ypoqesh apo to 1973 kai meta;

PRWTOPAPAS: H anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn perigrafei, oxi thn ypoqesh, alla tis energeies poy exoyn ginei kai parexei poly kalh enhmerwsh, mias kai einai ena qema poy apasxolei thn koinh gnwmh. Parexei enhmerwsh gia osa eixan ginei prin, alla -kai kyriws- gia tis energeies stis opoies proebh h kybernhsh mas, prokeimenoy na yperaspisei ta symferonta toy Ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai toy ellhnikoy laoy. Pisteyw oti einai ena poly kalo kai diejodiko keimeno, to opoio apeyqynetai pros ton ellhniko lao, kai bohqa ton polith na gnwrizei to istoriko ths ypoqeshs.

MIXAHL: Omws, eykola mporei na eklhfqei h na ermhneyqei h na parermhneyqei -opws qelete mporeite na to eklabete- oti akribws, epeidh kapoies plhrofories exei h kybernhsh peri toy ycoys toy timhmatos, me ayton ton tropo prospaqei na prolabei antidraseis kai hdh akoygontai kapoies epikritikes fwnes apo to xwro ths antipoliteyshs.

PRWTOPAPAS; Mhn eiste kaqoloy bebaios gi ayta poy akoygontai tis teleytaies hmeres.

MIXAHL: Otan lete, na mhn eimai kaqoloy bebaios, milate gia tis kritikes poy askoyn kapoioi h gia tis piqanes plhrofories poy yparxoyn gyrw apo thn apofash toy Dikasthrioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferomai stis legomenes ``plhrofories'' poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas h poy akoygontai. Toylaxiston, gia orismenes apo aytes, na mhn eiste kaqoloy bebaioi. Qa synistoysa pros oloys ligh ypomonh. Mia hmera emeine, ejalloy. Na perimenoyme, loipon, thn apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy. Ayto einai to prwto poy hqela na pw. Den bohqa se tipota mia diaqesh na stoixhmatizoyme yper toy enos h toy alloy posoy. Exei ginei mia qaymasia doyleia apo thn kybernhsh kai apo toys nomikoys poy sthrijan thn ypoqesh kai ekfrazoyme aisiodojia gia to apotelesma. Deyteron, moy dinete mia eykairia na anaferqw se orismenes apo tis kritikes poy eginan. Bebaiws, exei dikaiwma o kaqenas na askei kritikh kai den einai dynato na apanthsoyme se oles aytes. Qelw, omws, na apanthsw sthn kritikh poy askhqhke xqes apo to komma ths N.D., opws ayto ekfrasthke dia toy ekproswpoy Typoy. H N.D. qa eprepe na siwpa. Kai qa eprepe na siwpa dioti oloi -kai to qymomaste poly kala- gnwrizoyme ti ekane tote, to 1992. Gnwrizoyme oti me toys xeirismoys ths edwse th dynatothta ston tews na mporei, apo kalyterh qesh gi ayton, na diekdikei tis paraloges apaithseis toy, se baros toy ellhnikoy laoy. Oi xeirismoi ths N.D. to 1992, antikeimenika, enisxysan tis apaithseis toy tews. Antiqetws, oi xeirismoi poy ekane h kybernhsh toy PASOK , opws aytoi perigrafontai kai sto keimeno toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, yperaspisan kai malista kata ton kalytero dynato tropo, ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy laoy, ta symferonta toy Ellhna polith. Katanow, bebaiws, oti h N.D. exei toys dikoys ths logoys na ekdidei anakoinwseis, opws h xqesinh. Enas profanhs logos einai oti qelei na sygkalycei tis dikes ths energeies, poy -epanalambanw- eidika to 1992 enisxysan tis apaithseis toy tews. O deyteros profanhs logos, einai oti epidiwkei etsi na mhn ekdhlwqoyn, gia mia akoma fora, problhmata sto eswteriko ths. Oloi, allwste, gnwrizoyme oti yparxei mia seira stelexwn toy kommatos aytoy, oi opoioi mallon antimetwpizoyn qetika tis kinhseis toy ekptwtoy basilia. Ara, loipon, eite gia na sygkalycei eswterika problhmata, eite gia na sygkalycei ta polla laqh kai tis aparadektes energeies poy eginan apo meroys ths sto parelqon, h N.D. anti na strefetai kata toy tews kai twn apaithsewn toy, erxetai na zhthsei kai ta "resta", erxetai na zhthsei to logo apo thn kybernhsh, na strafei oysiastika enantion ekeinwn, oi opoioi yperaspizontai ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayto einai aparadekto.

MIXAHL: Meta thn apofash, opoia ki an einai ayth ayrio, kata thn ektimhsh ths kybernhshs, kleinei oristika to kefalaio ``basileia'' kai ``Kwnstantinos Glyjmpoyrgk'', gia thn Ellada;

PRWTOPAPAS: To kefalaio ayto exei kleisei...

MIXAHL: Oxi politeiaka. Politeiaka exei kleisei, asfalws.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kleinei to kefalaio twn apaithsewn toy tews.

MIXAHL; Ara, shmainei oti yparxoyn akoma kefalaia alloy eidoys, poy paramenoyn anoikta, opws gia paradeigma, ean qelei na egkatastaqei sthn Ellada, me ti eggrafa....

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parakalw. To kefalaio poy exei na kanei me thn poreia kai tis apaithseis toy tews kleinei oristika. Bebaiws, o ellhnikos laos exei dwsei ston idio thn apanthsh toy, edw kai polla xronia kai ayth isxyei. Den nomizw oti apeilei kanenan. Einai kaqaro oti eqese paraloges kai aparadektes apaithseis kata toy ellhnikoy laoy. To kefalaio poy afora aytes tis apaithseis kleinei oristika.

TAKHS: Epeidh diabasame shmera kai orismena dhmosieymata ston Typo, alla epeidh yparxoyn kai dhlwseis kapoiwn boyleytwn, poy lene oti den qa parei draxmh o tews kai oti den prepei na dwsoyme oyte fragko, asxetws poia qa einai h apofash toy Dikasthrioy, yparxei tetoia dynatothta; Dioti, ap o,ti jeroyme, h apofash einai amesa ektelesth. Yparxei dynatothta na mhn parei fragko, estw ki an to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio epidikasei kapoio poso;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas parakaloysa na deite thn ayrianh apofash.

IWANNOY: Pws prodikazei h kybernhsh, oxi bebaia me dhmosies dhlwseis, alla tis plhrofories poy oloi exoyme, oti to poso qa einai peripoy ekei sta 37 dis draxmes..

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa egw pote tetoio pragma;

IWANNOY: Oxi, alla exei graftei kai yparxoyn plhrofories kybernhtikes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kybernhtikes plhrofories den gnwrizw na yparxoyn. Den exoyme pei tetoio pragma. Sas eipa na mh biazeste, einai h paraklhsh mas kai oxi ypodeijh kai na mhn anaferoyme ariqmoys, toys opoioys mporei kapoios gia ton a h b logo, na exei ws ektimhsh , alla mporei se kapoia periptwsh na mhn antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Na perimenoyme, loipon, mexri ayrio. H doyleia poy exei ginei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai apo th nomikh omada, h opoia sthrije thn prospaqeia mas, mas kanei idiaitera aisiodojoys. Mexri ekei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Pisteyete oti an h ayrianh apofash epidikazei estw kai 100 eyrw ston tews basilia, einai pros to symferon toy ellhnikoy laoy; Rwtw epeidh fantazomai pws h pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy den qa hqele na plhrwsei oyte ena eyrw. Ara, eseis pisteyete oti mia qetikh, isws, apofash qa einai pros to symferon toy ellhnikoy laoy@

PRWTOPAPAS: H doyleia poy kaname ekei apeblepe. Yperaspisame me ton kalytero tropo ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy laoy kai h doyleia mas, mas kanei na aisiodojoyme.

GARGALAKOS : Esxatws h koinh gnwmh anhsyxei gia kyma akribeias. Exete kapoia apoch , h kybernhsh paradexetai oti o timariqmos exei anebei@

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei apanthsei analytika o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, Nikos Xristodoylakhs. Sthn apanthsh, poy edwse xqes, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, yparxei eidikh anafora kai sto qema toy plhqwrismoy kai stis prospaqeies poy kanei h kybernhsh gia thn katapolemhsh toy. Sas parapempw s ayth.

GARGALAKOS: H kinhsh poy ekane o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy, na kleisei "ranteboy" me ton Toyrko omologo toy , htan -prin ginei- se gnwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy..

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Papandreoy kinhqhke apolyta mesa sto plaisio tis synennohshs me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Yparxei apolyth synantilhch metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, opws einai fysiko ejalloy, idiaitera se tetoia krisima zhthmata. O Toyrkos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn zhthse na synanthqoyn, proskalese ton k. Papandreoy gia mia apeyqeias synanthsh me th nea Toyrkikh kybernhsh. Den einai h prwth fora poy o k. Papandreoy synantatai me ton Toyrko omologo toy, anejarthta an sthn Toyrkia exoyn allajei oi ypoyrgoi ejwterikwn polles fores. Exei synanthqei kat` epanalhch, polles fores, me ton Toyrko ypoyrgo ejwterikwn. Qa einai mia apeyqeias syzhthsh me th nea kybernhsh ths Toyrkias se mia idiaitera krisimh periodo. Ayth h syzhthsh einai aparaithth. Einai synexeia, ejalloy, ths syzhthshs poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Erntogan . Qa syzhthqoyn ta qemata poy shmera briskontai -opws jerete- se ena idiaitera krisimo shmeio. Ektimw oti, an h toyrkikh pleyra epideijei thn diallaktikothta poy prepei. H synanthsh qa symbalei sthn prowqhsh diadikasiwn gia ena plaisio, poy mporei na odhghsei se kalyteres sxeseis, se sxeseis synergasias kai kalhs geitonias kai se epilysh twn problhmatwn poy yparxoyn eite se dieqnes epipedo eite alla -kai den ennow ta megala opws einai to Kypriako- poy yparxoyn se dimeres epipedo.

IWANNOY: Shmera, prwth hmera syzhthshs toy Proypologismoy sth Boylh, eixame thn apoxwrhsh -nomizw gia prwth fora- ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai giati apoysiaze o k. Xristodoylakhs, opws eipan, alla kyriws me aformh thn ekqesh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy. H kybernhsh, loipon, strafhke enantion toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy, milhse gia apeiria, oti yperebh ta eskammena k.o.k. H kybernhsh egkalei, dhladh, oysiastika to Elegktiko Synedrio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Exei ginei oloklhrh syzhthsh sth Boylh, thn opoia den mporoyme na epanalaboyme edw kai malista ligo meta afotoy egine. Ayto poy qelw na epishmanw, me sxesh me thn apoxwrhsh ths N.D., einai toyto: H apoxwrhsh apo th Boylh einai mia idiaitera sobarh prajh kai den mporei na ginetai me tetoia eykolia kai idiaitera se ena qema toso sobaro, oso o Proypologismos. Qelw na epishmanw oti kairos einai h N.D. na mhn xrhsimopoiei diadikastika trik kai na mhn krybetai pisw apo diadikastika problhmata. Epiteloys na mas pei tis apoceis ths. Poies einai gia ta megeqh toy Proypologismoy; Poies einai gia thn pragmatikh poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomia; Ti exei na pei, gia paradeigma, gia ta zhthmata twn poswn poy perilambanei o kratikos Proypologismos gia thn koinwnikh asfalish h th forologikh elafrynsh twn Ellhnwn politwn; Giati den topoqeteitai se ayta ta zhthmata kai krybetai pisw apo diadikastika trik; Pisteyw oti einai kairos na syzhthsoyme epi ths oysias. Ayto epiqymei o ellhnikos laos apo emas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H polyglwssia poy epikratei sthn Toyrkia -opws eidame kai xqes alla elege o Erntogan, alla o Nenktas, alla o Mpaikal- anhsyxei kaqoloy thn kybernhsh gia to an o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, qa exei enan ajiopisto synomilhth otan qa paei ekei;

PRWTOPAPAS: H epishmh toyrkikh kybernhsh prepei na pei epishmws tis apoceis ths. Einai qetiko oti ginetai mia synanthsh kata thn opoia h toyrkikh kybernhsh epishmws qa topoqethqei gyrw apo ayta ta shmantika qemata, opws perimenei h Dieqnhs Koinothta. To Kypriako den einai qema poy afora mono thn Ellada kai thn Toyrkia. Einai qema poy afora th Dieqnh Koinothta kai epiteloys, h Toyrkia prepei na topoqethqei kaqara.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Papandreoy eixe spoydaies synomilies sth Nea Yorkh. Dierwtwmai ean bghke kati kainoyrgio apo th synanthsh poy eixe me thn ka Kontoliza Rais kai me alloys paragontes kai ean se ayth thn episkech toy k. Papandreoy sthn Toyrkia den paei mono ws ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Elladas, alla kai ws ekproswpos ths E.E.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei akoma thn proedria toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn. Otan qa exei thn eyqynh ths Proedrias, qa exei thn eykairia na synomilei kai gia thn E.E. opws kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai oloi oi ypoyrgoi gia ta qemata ths armodiothtas toys. O k. Papandreoy episkefqhke tis HPA kai eixe idiaitera shmantikes synanthseis me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai th Symboylo Asfaleias ka Kontoliza Rais, gia tis opoies exoyme enhmerwqei. Yparxoyn oi sxetikes anafores, tis opoies pisteyw oti exete sth diaqesh sas. Stis synanthseis aytes yphrje idiaiterh syzhthsh panw sta shmantika, krisima eqnika qemata, idiaitera gia to Kypriako, alla kai ola ta alla zhthmata poy mas apasxoloyn ayth th stigmh. Aytes oi kinhseis poy ginontai pros tis HPA symballoyn poly qetika sthn kalyterh katanohsh twn qesewn ths ellhnikhs pleyras, alla kai sth dhmioyrgia kalyterwn proypoqesewn gia thn askhsh pieshs pros thn Toyrkia, wste na apodexqei to dialogo poy epizhta h Dieqnhs Koinothta, na topoqethqei qetika se qemata, opws einai h prooptikh epilyshs toy Kypriakoy kai h epilysh toy qematos toy legomenoy eyrwstratoy.

POYLIDOY: Exei problefqei ston Proypologismo ena kondyli poy na kalyptei tis ajiwseis, thn apofash, telos pantwn, gia th basilikh perioysia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw, na mhn protrexoyme. Qa exoyme thn eykairia ayta na ta syzhthsoyme meqayrio, afoy h apofash qa ekdoqei ayrio peripoy stis 4 to apogeyma, wra Elladas. Peripoy stis 4.15 to apogeyma qa exoyme tis prwtes endeijeis. Sth synexeia, opws gnwrizete, qa yparjei kai dhmosia topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa enhmerwqeite apo to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

IWANNOY: Dhladh, mporei kai na mhn plhrwsoyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti gia na syzhthsoyme ayto to qema, qa perimenoyme thn apofash.

Sas eyxaristw.

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