Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-10-28

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Londino, 28 Oktwbrioy 2002

(topikh wra: 15.15)

O Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths, amesws meta tis dhlwseis poy ekane ejw apo thn prwqypoyrgikh katoikia, sthn Downing Street 10, paraxwrhse synenteyjh Typoy, enhmerwnontas analytika toys dhmosiografoys gia to periexomeno twn synomiliwn poy eixe me ton Bretano prwqypoyrgo Tony Mpler.

Sth makra eisagwgikh parembash toy o Prwqypoyrgos tonise ta ejhs:

``O skopos ths edw episkechs moy, opws kai twn episkecewn, tis opoies qa kanw kai se alles xwres, einai dittos:

@ O prwtos afora th dieyrynsh kai kyriws thn entajh ths Kyproy.

@ O deyteros afora thn proetoimasia ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias.

Gnwrizoyme oloi oti sthn teleytaia Synodo Koryfhs stis Bryjelles, h dieyrynsh proxwrhse omala. Kanenas apo toys parontes den anefere to qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy. Htan aytonohto oti h Kypros entassetai sthn omada twn deka xwrwn kai h apofash lambanetai ws paketo gia tis deka ypo entajh xwres.

H problech einai oti qa proxwrhsei h ejelijh ths ypoqeshs. Omws, xreiazetai megalh prosoxh. H prosoxh ayth afora thn pleyra ths kypriakhs entajhs poy exei sxesh me thn epilysh toy politikoy problhmatos. Mexri twra den exei ginei kamia proodos gia thn epilysh toy politikoy problhmatos kai ayto ofeiletai sthn ategkth stash thn opoia exei akoloyqhsei h toyrkokypriakh pleyra, sthn emmonh ths sta osa paradosiaka leei kai sto gegonos oti ayta einai fanero oti den mporei na ginoyn dekta apo thn ellhnokypriakh pleyra kai apo th dieqnh koinothta.

Omws, h epilysh toy politikoy problhmatos proypoqetei kai orismenes ryqmiseis, se sxesh me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, oi opoies isws qa htan eykoloteres apo mia prooptikh poy qelei na bohqhsei ena symbibasmo me toys Toyrkoys, prin apo thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. kai me to dedomeno oti kapoies ryqmiseis isws qa prepei, katw apo thn prooptikh ayth, na perilhfqoyn kai sth symfwnia entajhs ths Kyproy. Gia na to pw apla, twra einai mia katastash pieshs kai gia thn ellhnokypriakh pleyra gia na proxwrhsei thn entajh kai se ayth thn katastash pieshs mporoyn kapoioi na skeftoyn oti twra einai h eykairia na proxwrhsoyn kapoia qemata, ta opoia ypo alles synqhkes isws h ellhnokypriakh pleyra kai h Ellada den qa dexontan.

Prepei, loipon, na diereynhsoyme pws exei h katastash sxetika me tetoies proqeseis kai na epishmanoyme epishs oti yparxoyn oi apofaseis toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE kai pera apo tis apofaseis aytes poy panta epitrepoyn diafores ekdoxes kai lyseis, ekeino to opoio einai prwtistws anagkaio einai h opoia lysh toy politikoy problhmatos na einai mia lysh biwsimh, h opoia na epitrepei sto Kypriako kratos na leitoyrghsei sthn E.E., na lambanei apofaseis kai epishs qa epitrepei thn plhrh efarmogh toy koinotikoy kekthmenoy, xwris ejaireseis gia na epiteyxqei etsi h oysiastikh, qa elega, synergasia twn dyo koinothtwn. Gia na zoyn mazi oi dyo koinothtes prepei na einai lymeno to kypriako problhma, giati h lysh toy Kypriakoy qa bohqhsei sth synergasia toys, sth synentajh toys, an mporw na xrhsimopoihsw ayth thn ekfrash, mesa sthn E.E.

Aytos einai enas kyklos problhmatismwn, toys opoioys qelw na epishmanw se oloys toys synomilhtes moy, gia na mhn exoyn thn aisqhsh oti twra poy egine h entajh, na ``kollhsoyme'' kai thn epilysh toy politikoy problhmatos, para tis arnhseis toy k. Ntenktas h ths Toyrkias, gia na mhn yparxei ayto to problhma poy paramenei ekkremes. Aytos einai o prwtos stoxos.

O deyteros stoxos afora -opws sas anefera prohgoymenws- thn Ellhnikh Proedria sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, to a@ ejamhno toy 2003. Thn Ellhnikh Proedria qa apasxolhsoyn qemata meizonos shmasias, opws einai:

H synexeia ths dieyrynshs poy synistatai sthn ypografh ths prajhs prosxwrhshs twn deka newn xwrwn - melwn sthn Enwsh, poy qa ginei sthn Aqhna sta mesa Aprilioy.

To qema ths laqrometanasteyshs, gia to opoio, opws eylogws antilambanesqe, h ellhnikh pleyra exei idiaiterh eyaisqhsia.

Asfalws, to qema toy oloy xeirismoy toy kefalaioy ths metanasteyshs. To anaferw bebaia ayto, an kai den brisketai stis prwtes proteraiothtes mas, giati h dieyrynsh ejakoloyqei na paramenei h prwth proteraiothta.

H deyterh proteraiothta einai h synexish ths koinwnikhs politikhs, dhladh h prowqhsh enos eyreos fasmatos metrwn poy aforoyn thn koinwnikh synoxh kai thn enisxysh ths apasxolhshs. Ta qemata ayta, an kai dyskola sthn efarmogh toys, den paroysiazoyn idiaitera problhmata. Antiqetws, to qema ths metanasteyshs proypoqetei syntonismenh kai apotelesmatikh synergasia, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme se praktika apotelesmata.

Me ton Bretano Prwqypoyrgo k. Tony Mpler syzhthsa bebaia, prwta apo ola, to Kypriako. Qa elega pws ayto htan kai to kyrio qema twn synomiliwn mas. To syzhthsa akribws katw apo thn prooptikh poy prohgoymenws sas ejeqesa, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme omala thn entajh, xwris na prokycoyn kapoia alla problhmata ths teleytaias stigmhs.

Pisteyw pws apo ayta poy ejeqesa ston Bretano Prwqypoyrgo, yphrje apo meroys toy katanohsh. Sto shmeio ayto qelw na ypenqymisw oti h M. Bretania panta htan ths apochs oti h Kypros prepei na entaxqei sthn E.E., oti h entajh qa afora tis deka xwres kai oti h epilysh toy politikoy problhmatos ths Kyproy den apotelei proypoqesh gia thn entajh ths sthn Enwsh. O k. Mpler epanabebaiwse aytes tis pagies qeseis ths M. Bretanias kata th shmerinh mas syzhthsh.

Oson afora to deytero qema gia thn Ellhnikh Proedria, kai o k. Mpler kai egw sympesame sthn anagkh na proxwrhsei h dieyrynsh symfwna me ayto to xronodiagramma, to opoio exoyme kaqorisei: Dhladh, telikh apofash sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio ths Kopegxaghs kai sth synexeia etoimasia twn sxetikwn keimenwn kai h ypografh toys sta mesa Aprilioy sthn Aqhna (16 Aprilioy einai h dikh mas protash) apo toys arxhgoys kratwn kai kybernhsewn.

Syzhthsame kai to qema ths legomenhs synexishs ths entajiakhs diadikasias ths Toyrkias. Sympesame kai oi dyo sthn apoch oti xreiazetai na doqei ena qetiko shma sthn Toyrkia, dioti pisteyoyme kai oi dyo oti h prooptikh ths entajhs epenergei qetika sth diamorfwsh ths oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs politikhs ths Toyrkias, alla kai oson afora thn ejelijh ths dhmokratias kai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata. Mia arnhsh mias synexeias qa exei opwsdhpote arnhtiko apotelesma. To poia morfh qa parei ayth h synexish qa to ejetasoyme mazi me toys alloys etairoys sthn Kopegxagh. Opws gnwrizete, yparxoyn diafores apoceis: Sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia enarjhs diapragmateysewn h hmeromhnia gia thn hmeromhnia, dhladh gia thn hmera prosdiorismoy toy xronoy kata ton opoio qa kaqoristei h hmeromhnia enarjhs diapragmateysewn h orismos enos xronodiagrammatos ypo proypoqeseis kai me safh ypenqymish twn orwn kai twn krithriwn poy qa prepei na plhroyntai gia na arxisoyn oi diapragmateyseis. Qa doyme. Den apofasizetai ayth th stigmh kati tetoio. Ekeino poy xreiazotan (kai prepei na to epanabebaiwsoyme) einai h qelhsh kai twn dyo pleyrwn (E.E. kai Toyrkias) na yparxei synexeia, opws bebaia kai oson afora th Boylgaria kai th Roymania.

Gia th diadikasia ths earinhs Synodoy Koryfhs (21 Martioy 2003) poy afora ta qemata ths antagwnistikothtas, ths koinwnikhs synoxhs kai ths katapolemhshs ths anergias yphrje apolyth symfwnia oti xreiazetai na dwsoyme idiaiterh prosoxh kai na synexisoyme ayth thn prospaqeia. Gia mas, pantws, xwris na pw oti den einai kai gia th M. Bretania, qelw na tonisw oti h katapolemhsh ths anergias einai apo tis prwtes proteraiothtes. Bebaia, tonisthke kai pali h anagkh na yparxei kai enas kalos syntonismos twn oikonomikwn politikwn gia thn isxyropoihsh toy eyrw, dioti xwris kalo syntonismo twn oikonomikwn politikwn to eyrw den mporei na exei thn wqhsh poy xreiazetai gia na krathsei kai na beltiwsei, kata poly, th qesh toy ws pagkosmio nomisma.

Se sxesh me ta qemata ths metanasteyshs, sympesame. H M. Bretania symfwnei oti prepei idiaitera na prowqhsoyme ta qemata ayta. Yparxoyn dyo qemata:

To ena einai to qema toy asyloy. Opws kai emeis, etsi kai h M. Bretania antitiqetai se mia praktikh osoi metanastes emfanizontai kai einai oikonomikoi metanastes na dhlwnoyn politikoi metanastes kai na yparxei mia makra diadikasia mhnwn h etwn ews otoy jekaqarisei ayto to qema. Prepei oi apofaseis na lambanontai grhgora. Den jerw an exete ypoch sas oti mexri stigmhs yphrxe kapoia diafora proseggisewn se sxesh me to poios ejetazei tis aithseis xorhghshs politikoy asyloy: H xwra opoy o sygkekrimenos metanasths entopizetai h emfanizetai na zhthsei asylo h h xwra opoy otan prwtoeishlqe sthn E.E.. Emeis den qeloyme to teleytaio, giati ayto mporei na katalhjei oi perissoteres ypoqeseis na erxontai sthn Ellada. H M. Bretania yposthrize mia antiqeth apoch. Apo th shmerinh syzhthsh proekyce kapoia proseggish apocewn, oti qa prepei na yparxoyn kapoia logika krithria. Gia paradeigma, an kapoios exei zhsei se mia xwra gia dyo xronia, den ton epanapempei h xwra ayth sthn prwth xwra apo opoy prwtoeishlqe, alla h idia ejetazei ta qemata toy asyloy.

To deytero poy endiaferei emas idiws einai mia eyrwpaikh synoriakh astynomia h synoriakh dynamh poy bohqa sthn katapolemhsh ths laqrometanasteyshs. Kai epishs na piestei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai genika h E.E. na ypogracei symfwnies epaneisdoxhs me trites xwres. Emeis, exoyme mia symfwnia epaneisdoxhs me thn Toyrkia kai h prajh exei deijei oti ean den yparjei kai apo pleyras ths E.E. kapoio entono endiaferon kai eidikes symfwnies, tote oi epimeroys symfwnies den exoyn thn apotelesmatikothta poy qa qelame na exoyn.

Ena allo basiko kefalaio, se sxesh me thn Ellhnikh Proedria, einai ta qemata ths agrotikhs politikhs. Stis Bryjelles symfwnhsame oti qa ginei h endiamesh anaqewrhsh ths koinhs agrotikhs politikhs (endiamesh ejetash) poy arxika eixe symfwnhqei to 2000. Se ayto eimaste symfwnoi. Eimaste symfwnoi na ginei h proergasia gia na lhfqoyn oi apofaseis poy xreiazontai to 2006. Ekeino poy einai to kentriko shmeio gia mas kai to anefera ston k. Mpler, epeidh kai ayto sxetizetai me tis dapanes, einai oti h koinh agrotikh politikh synistatai gia mas se mia politikh arwghs twn mesaiwn kai mikrwn paragwgwn. Allwste, oi mikroi kai mesaioi paragwgoi apoteloyn thn pleionothta sth xwra mas. Epiprosqetws, oi politikes anaptyjhs ths ypaiqroy kai h beltiwsh twn synqhkwn zwhs sthn ypaiqro dhmioyrgoyn tis proypoqeseis gia na parameinei o plhqysmos ekei. Gi` ayto kai thn politikh anaptyjhs ths ypaiqroy den prepei na th doyme me th stenh ths ennoia, dhladh mono se sxesh me tis times twn agrotikwn proiontwn kai thn ayjhsh ths paragwghs. Prepei na th doyme me thn eyryterh ennoia, ws ena meso dhladh gia na exoyme mia koinwnia poy diathrei tis rizes ths kai sygxronws drasthriopoieitai me enallaktikes draseis.

Syzhthsame kai to qema toy mellontos ths Eyrwphs. Opws gnwrizete, sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio toy Laaken eixe symfwnhqei h Syneleysh na oloklhrwsei tis ergasies ths se ena xrono kai ayto fainetai pws exei jexastei. Qa qelame na jekaqarisei ayto, giati an einai na lhfqoyn apofaseis sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio ths Qessalonikhs, qa prepei h Syneleysh na exei oloklhrwsei tis ergasies ths prin apo ayth th Synodo Koryfhs. H M. Bretania einai pros to paron ths apochs oti kalo einai na thrhsoyme ayto poy symfwnhqhke sto Laaken, wste na epakoloyqhsei h Diakybernhtikh. Ayto, allwste, qelei kai h Italia gia na arxisei epi italikhs proedrias, afoy doqei mia periodos tessarwn - pente - eji mhnwn, opoy qa ejetastoyn ta apotelesmata ths Syneleyshs kai qa proetoimastoyme gia th Diakybernhtikh. Kai se ayto to qema sympesame se enan koino xeirismo poy qa doyme pws qa ejelixqei apo ta pragmata.

Qelw na sas pw epishs oti syzhthsame kai ta qemata ths koinhs eyrwpaikhs politikhs asfaleias kai amynas. Kai oi dyo eimaste symfwnoi pws h sxetikh apofash poy elhfqh stis Bryjelles gia th synergasia melwn ths E.E. poy einai melh toy NATO me ta mh melh ths E.E. poy einai epishs melh toy NATO einai idiaitera qetikh (h legomenh apofash gia ton eyrwstrato). Eipame oti kai h M. Bretania qa prepei na bohqhsei thn prospaqeia na teleiwsei olh ayth h diadikasia prin apo thn Praga, opws symfwnhqhke stis Bryjelles. Kai an ginei ayto, na yparjei koinh eirhneytikh dynamh sta Skopia, sto telos toy etoys h to argotero arxes toy epomenoy etoys.

Syzhthsame akomh gia thn ellhnobretanikh oikonomikh synergasia, gia thn katapolemhsh ths tromokratias.

Anefera to qema toy Irak kai tonisa thn anagkh na yparjei apofash twn H.E. Tonisa thn anagkh h E.E. na exei mia eniaia stash kai oti qa einai poly dysaresto gia thn eikona ths Eyrwphs, ean yparjoyn energeies apo th mia h thn allh xwra, xwris na yparxei mia koinh eyrwpaikh stash apenanti stis ejelijeis. H Ellhnikh Proedria qa prospaqhsei, me kaqe tropo, na yparjei ayth h koinh eyrwpaikh stash. Ayto qa tonisw kai stis epomenes synanthseis moy. Bebaiws, ayto den ejartatai mono apo thn Ellhnikh Proedria, ejartatai kai apo tis xwres - melh na qelhsoyn na broyn mia koinh poreia.

Qelw, telos, na anaferw oti edwsa ston k. Mpler ena shmeiwma se sxesh me ta marmara toy Parqenwna. To shmeiwma htan apo to ypoyrgeio Politismoy. Allwste, to qema ayto to syzhthsa sthn Aqhna me ton ypoyrgo Politismoy. H skech einai na yparjei enas monimos daneismos -as to pw etsi- mia monimh paraxwrhsh pros ekqesh twn marmarwn toy Parqenwna sto Moyseio ths Akropolhs. Antistoixa, h Ellada qa paroysiazei ekqeseis sto Bretaniko Moyseio. Ayth h monimh paroysiash twn marmarwn toy Parqenwna sthn Aqhna mporei na ginei se synergasia me to Bretaniko Moyseio. Epomenws, exoyme panw se ayto na syzhthsoyme. Elpizw pws qa yparjei antapokrish apo th bretanikh pleyra. Qelw na sas qymisw oti to Moyseio ths Akropolhs qa oloklhrwqei sto telos toy 2003 - arxes toy 2004. Qa einai etoimos, pantws, o xwros toy neoy Moyseioy ths Akropolhs, opoy qa ekteqoyn ta marmara kai ta glypta toy Parqenwna, en ocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn ths Aqhnas to 2004. Qa prepei mexri tote kai einai swsto na broyme mia lysh gi` ayto to qema. Epanalambanw oti ayto to qema afora ena sygkekrimeno mnhmeio ths arxaiothtas kai mia sygkekrimenh periptwsh, gi` ayto kai den qeloyme na dhmioyrghqei prohgoymeno gia to xeirismo qematwn poy exoyn sxesh me moyseiaka antikeimena poy yparxoyn se diafora Moyseia toy kosmoy. Ayto einai ena poly eyrytero qema poy den prokeitai na lyqei mesa apo ayth thn eidikh diadikasia gia ta marmara toy Parqenwna.

Ayto htan en syntomia to periexomeno twn syzhthsewn me ton k. Mpler. Egw krathsa apo ayth th syzhthsh thn poly qetikh stash ths M. Bretanias gia to Kypriako kai th qetikh stash gia th synergasia se qemata poy aforoyn thn enisxysh ths Eyrwphs. Idiws, otan syzhthsame kai mellontiko sxhma twn qesmikwn organwn ths E.E., o k. Mpler tonise oti me tis diafores protaseis poy exei dwsei kata kairoys kai sth Syneleysh gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs, qelei na enisxysei thn eyrwpaikh diadikasia. Pisteyei se mia isxyrh Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai pisteyei kai sthn apotelesmatikothta mias proedrias.

Pisteyw pws kai ayto einai ena qetiko mhnyma apo th shmerinh synanthsh, dhladh h anazhthsh, twra ypo tis nees synqhkes poy qa dhmioyrghqoyn, enos tropoy na proxwrhsoyme thn eyrwpaikh enopoihsh. Kai na thn proxwrhsoyme me tetoio tropo, wste na einai pragmatika apotelesmatikh. Giati h Eyrwph twn "25" (me thn entajh twn deka newn kratwn-melwn) qetei bebaiws problhmata. O ariqmos einai megalos. Yparxoyn xwres me diaforetiko epipedo koinwnikhs, oikonomikhs kai politikhs anaptyjhs kai qa prepei oloi na mporoyme na broyme, mesa apo th diadikasia ergasias ths E.E., ton tropo ths symbolhs, alla xwris kaqe xwra na aisqanetai eite piesmenh na proxwrhsei pio grhgora apo o,ti mporei, eite piesmenh na kaqysterhsei se kati poy mporei. Einai, loipon, ena dyskolo qema, alla h shmerinh synanthsh epibebaiwnei oti kai h M. Bretania qelei na synergastei apotelesmatika pros thn kateyqynsh embaqynshs ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs.

Opws anefera sthn arxh, qa synexisw ton kyklo twn episkecewn moy se alles koinotikes prwteyoyses, prokeimenoy na proetoimasoyme kata ton kalytero tropo mia Ellhnikh Proedria kai kyriws ekeino poy me endiaferei einai na ftasoyme sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Kopegxaghs kai meta sthn ypografh ths prajhs prosxwrhshs twn 10 newn kratwn-melwn sthn Aqhna, xwris na prokycoyn problhmata gia thn Kypro.

Ayta apo pleyras moy, eimai sth diaqesh sas gia erwthseis.

L. TSIRIGWTAKHS (APE): Einai h prwth fora tiqetai to qema ths epistrofhs twn Marmarwn toy Parqenwna se epipedo Prwqypoyrgwn. Me poies ektimhseis jekinhse ayth h kinhsh; Pisteyete oti exei allajei h stash ths Bretanikhs kybernhshs;

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Jekinhse me thn ektimhsh oti plhsiazei o xronos kai ara prepei na prospaqhsoyme

M. TSIKRIKA (MEGA): Giati akribws epilejate ayth th stigmh na qesete to qema; Exei teqei epaneilhmmenws apo ton Ypoyrgo Politismoy kai den exei yparjei apotelesma. Mas dinete thn entypwsh oti kati epidiwkete.

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Pragmati epidiwkw kati. Pisteyw, omws, oti se ola ta qemata ean syzhthseis, ean pieseis, ean paroysiaseis epixeirhmata, mporeis na plhsiaseis to stoxo soy. Palia yphrxe to epixeirhma oti den yphrxe katallhlos xwros gia na stegastoyn ta Marmara. To Moyseio poy htan sthn Akropolh, prepei na omologhsw, den htan enas eyxaristos xwros opoy qa mporoysan na epideixqoyn me wraio tropo ta Marmara toy Parqenwna. Mallon, htan arnhtiko gia thn paroysiash toys. Twra, omws, etoimazetai to neo Moyseio ths Akropolhs. Thn epomenh Pempth erxetai sto Londino o Ypoyrgos Politismoy Eyaggelos Benizelos kai o arxitektonas toy Moyseioy, o Bernard Tschumi. Exoyn jekinhsei, hdh, oi diadikasies, teleiwnoyn oi apallotriwseis, to Moyseio ths Akropolhs arxizei na ginetai pragmatikothta. Yparxoyn panta sthn Ellada kaqysterhseis, alla me ton k. Pantermalh, me ton opoio syzhthsa prin apo mia ebdomada to qema ayto, me diabebaiwse oti ola deixnoyn oti qa pane omala. Opws sas eipa, den qa einai to synolo toy Moyseioy etoimo to 2004, alla qa einai pantws etoimos o xwros ekqeshs twn Marmarwn toy Parqenwna kai ayto einai mia aformh na ypenqymisoyme stoys Aggloys oti hrqe h wra na paroyn kapoies apofaseis.

G. PAPAXRHSTOS (TA NEA): H qesh ths Bretanias sto Kypriako htan ligo-poly dedomenh kai anamenomenh. Fobaste oti yparxoyn alles xwres, oi opoies qa qesoyn qema taytoxronhs epilyshs toy Kypriakoy;

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Xwris na qelw na xrhsimopoihsw th lejh ``fobamai'', exw mia empeiria. H empeiria moy einai h ejhs. Otan mesa sto plaisio ths E.E. kai twn dieqnwn synergasiwn mia xwra ejasfalizei ena kekthmeno, ena kerdos, einai piqano alles xwres na skeftoyn ``afoy kerdises kati, dwse kati''. Poy qa to dwsei h Kypros; Qa to dwsei me th lysh toy politikoy problhmatos. Kai qelw na prolabw syneirmoys toy typoy ``kerdises, ara dwse''. To ena qema einai anejarthto apo to allo. To politiko problhma prepei na lyqei me bash ta krithria ta opoia exoyn kaqoristei, dhl. tis apofaseis toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, th leitoyrgikothta toy neoy sxhmatos ths kratikhs leitoyrgias ths Kyproy kai thn entajh sto koinotiko kekthmeno. Kai qelw na to ypenqymisw se oloys ayto. Gia mas, to Kypriako einai poly shmantiko, alla gia toys Amerikanoys, toys Aggloys, toys Galloys, exoyn poly megalyterh shmasia to Irak, h Mesh Anatolh, o Kaykasos, ta petrelaia k.l.p.

I. NIAWTH (ELEYQEROTYPIA): Poia htan h antidrash toy Tony Mpler kai tis sas eipe otan toy dwsate to shmeiwma gia ta Marmara toy Parqenwna;

PRWQYPOYRGOS: O k. Mpler eipe oti qa to koitajei, qa to syzhthsei. To syzhthsame kai nwritera. Edwsa ston k. Mpler mia biografia toy Lordoy Byrwna, thn opoia exei gracei mia Amerikanida syggrafeas. To biblio anaferetai emperistatwmena sth zwh toy Byrwna kai exei mia ektetamenh anafora sth qesh poy eixe gia ta Marmara toy Parqenwna. Opws, isws, jerete katadikase tote thn afairesh twn Marmarwn kai otan hrqe sthn Agglia arqrografhse gia to qema ayto. Sto biblio ayto paroysiazetai ektetamena ayth h qesh kai parepemca ton k. Mpler sto Lordo Byrwna.

I. ANTYPAS (ERT): Mporeite na mas enhmerwsete perissotero gia tis syzhthseis sas me to Bretano omologo sas sto qema ths tromokratias, kaqws kai ean yparxei kapoio newtero gia to endexomeno epixeirhsewn kata toy Irak;

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Ti qelate na moy pei o k. Mpler gia to qema ths tromokratias; Oti htan tyxaio gegonos; Toy anefera ti ginetai, toy anefera oti ginetai proetoimasia gia th dikh@

I. ANTYPAS : Sygxwreste me, ennooysa to qema ths dieqnoys tromokratias. Syzhthsate ta gegonota sth Mosxa;

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Oxi, ayto den to syzhthsame. Syzhthsa to qema ths 17N, epeidh kata thn teleytaia episkech moy, prin peripoy ena xrono, o k. Mpler eixe ekdhlwsei dikaiws thn anhsyxia toy gia to qema ayto, meta th dolofonia toy tajiarxoy Sonters. Toy eixa anaferei oti doyleyoyme sklhra kai oti qa exoyme apotelesmata. Toy ypenqymisa shmera ayth th syzhthsh kai toy eipa oti erxomai twra me thn apodeijh oti doylecame kai exoyme apotelesmata, xarh kai sth Skotlant Giarnt, h opoia bohqhse kai ayth. Yparxei mia synexeia, oson afora to eswteriko ths xwras me th dikh h opoia prepei na ginei. Etsi epiballei to systhma mas. Oson afora to Irak, o k. Mpler htan symfwnos mazi moy oti prepei na yparjei mia apofash twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai eipe oti h M. Bretania ergazetai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kai pisteyei oti qa yparjei sxetikh apofash.

G. ALEJAKHS (GBC): Anaferate oti qa prepei na yparjei eylogo xroniko diasthma se periptwsh poy breqei lysh sto Kypriako, wste h ellhnokypriakh kai h toyrkokypriakh pleyra na synentaxqoyn sthn E.E.

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Eylogo, gia orismenoys kanones, giati yparxoyn ejaireseis. Opws jerete twra syzhthqhke sthn E.E. kai prokeitai na efarmostei mia ejairesh sxetika me to dikaiwma ths ergasias gi@ aytoys poy erxontai apo xwres ths Kentrikhs Eyrwphs. Gia epta xronia den qa yparxei ayth h dynatothta. Ayto ennooysa. Tetoies ejaireseis yparxoyn. Egw briskw oti epta xronia einai yperbolika makry xroniko diasthma. Ejaireseis poy mporei na einai kai megalyteres den einai kata th gnwmh moy orqes.

G. ALEJAKHS: O k. Mpler sas afhse na ennohqei oti yparxei kapoio sygkekrimeno sxedio toy Lordoy Xanei, o opoios empleketai apo thn pleyra toy F'orein Offis;

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Jerete oti yparxoyn kapoia keimena pros epejergasia, ta opoia se kaqe synanthsh epanadiatypwnontai.

G. ALEJAKHS : Yparxei sxedio endiameshs lyshs;

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Oxi

K. TSIOYPRAS (LGR): Exete thn ektimhsh oti o Genikos Grammateas toy OHE qa kataqesei sxedio epilyshs meta tis ekloges sthn Toyrkia;

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Den exw apoch peri aytoy.

S. DIANELLOS (Ellhnikh Yphresia BBC): Ekfrazontai foboi oti se periptwsh poy entaxqei h Kypros, h Toyrkia qa drasei monomerws se syndyasmo me thn epikrathsh twn Islamistwn stis eperxomenes ekloges. Yparxei mia koinh eyrwpaikh grammh sxetika me ayto to endexomeno;

PRWQYPOYRGOS: Den syzhthsa ayto to qema. Pisteyw, omws, oti prepei na eimaste cyxraimoi. Prepei na eimaste apofasistikoi giati ean zoyme me to fobo ayto, den qa proxwrhsoyme. Qa proxwrhsoyme. Kai h Toyrkia exei polla na xasei ean parei metra poy einai antiqeta me thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths, th stigmh malista poy qelei na thn proxwrhsei. Oson afora toys Islamistes, qelw na sas anaferw oti polles fores ekei poy kaneis perimenei tis ligoteres antirrhseis yparxoyn perissoteres antirrhseis. Kai ekei poy perimenei kaneis tis perissoteres antirrhseis, yparxoyn ligoteres antirrhseis. Na mhn eimaste, loipon, bebaioi gia th qesh poy exei o kaqenas, giati opws gnwrizete, o k. Etsebit einai toy Sosialdhmokratikoy Kommatos, to opoio symmetexei sth Sosialistikh Dieqnh.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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