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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Oktwbrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

Ayth thn wra, exei synanthsh me to Geniko Grammatea toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth. Ginetai enas prwtos apologismos kai oi prwtes ektimhseis twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn, giati einai logiko oti qa xreiastei oloklhros programmatismos kai mia pio sobarh doyleia panw se ayta.

Ayrio, stis 10.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Kwsta Skandalidh. Stis 11.30, qa synanthqei me thn ka Gianna Aggelopoyloy kai stis 12.00 qa synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Stis 19.30, qa parastei sta egkainia ths ekqeshs gia thn ispanikh texnh sthn Eqnikh Pinakoqhkh, opoy qa parabreqei kai h basilissa ths Ispanias.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai Proedrias, me eishghtes ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy kai ton ypoyrgo anaplhrwth Taso Giannitsh. Sthn hmerhsia diatajh qa yparxoyn epishs kai diafora alla qemata. Stis 8 to brady, qa parastei sta egkainia ths ekqeshs Ntali sto Moyseio Goylandrh.

Thn Pempth to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos kai kybernhtiko klimakio qa anaxwrhsoyn gia tis Bryjelles. Opws gnwrizete, to brady ths Pempths arxizei h Atyph Synodos Koryfhs ths danikhs Proedrias, me apokleistiko qema th dieyrynsh. Sth synexeia, qa pragmatopoihqei to gnwsto deipno twn arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn.

Thn Paraskeyh to prwi, arxizei h Synodos poy qa oloklhrwqei arga to apogeyma, gyrw stis 7. Sth synexeia o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei gia to Londino, dioti th Deytera qa exei synanthsh me ton Agglo Prwqypoyrgo Toni Mpler, me ton opoio qa syzhthsei qemata poy syndeontai me th dieyrynsh kai thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E., alla bebaiws kai genikotera qemata ths ellhnikhs Proedrias.

Me thn eykairia ayth qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw gia mia seira dieqnwn epafwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Antikeimeno aytwn twn epafwn einai ta qemata ths dieyrynshs, me aixmh thn Kypro kai ta qemata ths Proedrias:

-Stis 5 Noembrioy, qa metabei sto Parisi, opoy qa exei synanthsh me to Gallo Proedro Zak Sirak kai akoloyqws, qa paei sto Berolino, opoy qa exei synomilies me to Germano Kagkelario Gkexarnt Srenter. Qa epistrecei stis 10 Noembrioy.

-Stis 14 Noembrioy, qa parastei sth Synodo toy Eyrwpaikoy Sosialistikoy Kommatos sth Barsobia, kata th diarkeia ths opoias qa yparjei kai synanthsh-geyma ergasias twn sosialistwn Prwqypoyrgwn kai arxhgwn me aixmh th dieyrynsh. Qa epistrecei stis 15 Noembrioy.

-Stis 20 Noembrioy, qa anaxwrhsei gia thn Praga, opoy qa pragmatopoihqei h Synodos toy NATO. Qa epistrecei stis 23 Noembrioy. Gia thn Praga qa yparjei kai dhmosiografikh apostolh apo to ypoyrgeio Typoy.

-Stis 30 Noembrioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh sthn Ellada me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Ispanias Xose Maria Aqnar.

-Stis 3 Dekembrioy, qa exei synanthsh sthn Aqhna me ton Filando Prwqypoyrgo Paabo Liponen.

-Stis 6 Dekembrioy, qa synanthqei sth Rwmh me ton Italo Prwqypoyrgo Silbio Mperloyskoni.

-Stis 9 Dekembrioy, qa synanthqei me ton Proedro toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy.

-Stis 11 Dekembrioy, qa anaxwrhsei gia thn Kopegxagh, opoy qa parei meros sthn Taktikh Synodo Koryfhs gia th dieyrynsh kai elpizoyme kai thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias. Qa yparjei kai dhmosiografikh apostolh.

-Epishs, exei prosdioristei kai synanthsh, thn epomenh Paraskeyh (1/11), me to Boylgaro Prwqypoyrgo.

Blepete oti yparxei mia ploysia dieqnhs paroysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Prepei na ginei katanohto oti aytes oi synanthseis exoyn ws kyrio antikeimeno thn omalh poreia ths dieyrynshs -me aixmh thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias- kai kaqistantai idiaitera shmantikes kai krisimes. Kata th diarkeia aytwn twn synanthsewn, qa syzhthqoyn kai ta qemata poy syndeontai me tis proteraiothtes ths ellhnikhs Proedrias, h opoia, ws gnwston, arxizei thn 1h Ianoyarioy.

Qa hqela, epishs, na xairethsw to apotelesma toy dhmochfismatos sthn Irlandia, symfwna me to opoio peripoy to 63% twn Irlandwn politwn leei "nai" sth dieyrynsh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Me ayto ton tropo, ginetai akomh ena qetiko bhma kai gia th dieyrynsh ths E.E., alla kai eidikotera gia thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias.

Telos, qa moy epitrecete na kanw kapoies parathrhseis gia ta qemata twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn. Bebaiws, qa yparjei analytikh syzhthsh mesa apo tis diadikasies toy Kinhmatos mas, opws aytes qa prosdioristoyn apo th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy Kinhmatos me to Grammatea toy PASOK. Prepei na yparjei enas eswterikos ploysios dialogos, mia sobarh ektimhsh twn apotelesmatwn, mia doyleia se baqos, opoy qa anadeixqoyn kai ta poiotika stoixeia, alla qa ejaxqoyn kai ta anagkaia symperasmata apo th boylhsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Anamfibola yparxoyn pollapla kai endiaferonta mhnymata, toso gia to diko mas xwro kai thn kybernhsh mas, oso kai gia ola ta politika kommata. Epomenws, me prosoxh kai eyaisqhsia qa prepei na jekinhsoyme ayth th doyleia.

Pisteyw, omws, oti mporoyme apo twra na prosdiorisoyme tessera basika prwta symperasmata:

-To prwto symperasma einai oti h prospaqeia ths N.D. na dhmioyrghsei me to peribohto "steilte mhnyma" klima politikhs astaqeias kai oroys prowrwn eklogwn, apetyxe patagwdws. O poliths den enekrine kai den symfwnhse me aytes tis logikes. Oi polites qeloyn thn politikh staqerothta, qeloyn thn omalh poreia ths kybernhshs kai thn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Epomenws, to politiko apotelesma poy prosdokoyse h N.D. apo aytes tis ekloges, den to katorqwse kai me ayth thn ennoia, apetyxe stis epiloges ths.

-To deytero symperasma einai oti se ayth th diadikasia den yparxoyn nikhtes kai htthmenoi. Prepei na sygxaroyme toys eklegmenoys dhmarxoys kai nomarxes, me toys opoioys bebaiws kai qa synergastoyme. Pisteyw, omws, oti anadeixqhke pws o dikos mas xwros exei panta baqies rizes sthn koinwnia kai idiaiterh epirroh sto xwro ths Topikhs kai Nomarxiakhs Aytodioikhshs. O xwros mas edeije na diathrei tis dynameis toy, idiaitera ekei opoy yphrjan kai synergasies me alles dynameis ths Aristeras, opws ayth toy SYN. Bebaiws, apo thn chfo toy laoy prepei na ejaxqoyn polla kai xrhsima symperasmata. Yphrjan pollapla kai poikilomorfa mhnymata kai gia proswpa kai gia epiloges kai gia sxeseis me koinwnikes omades, idiaitera se orismenes krisimes perioxes. Na eiste bebaioi oti me thn aparaithth eyaisqhsia kai eyqynh qa syzhthsoyme kai qa anadeijoyme ayta ta mhnymata, beltiwnontas kai enisxyontas thn politikh mas.

-To trito symperasma exei na kanei me to qema ths synergasias toy eyryteroy proodeytikoy xwroy. Einai safes oti opoy yphrjan tetoies synergasies to apotelesma htan qetiko gia oloys, oxi mono gia to PASOK, alla kai gia tis dynameis ths Aristeras. Antiqetws, opoy yphrjan sygkroyseis kai politikes apomonwshs, anoijame to dromo gia tis dynameis ths synthrhshs. Pisteyw oti ta apotelesmata ayta prepei na ajiologhqoyn kai h prooptikh ths synergasias kai ths sygkrothshs toy eyryteroy proodeytikoy xwroy prepei na enisxyqei.

-To tetarto symperasma exei na kanei me to qema ths emfanishs enos mikroy, akomh, alla yparktoy posostoy toy ellhnikoy laoy, idiaitera sto Lekanopedio, to opoio apotelei politiko akroathrio apocewn, opws ekeines toy k. Karatzaferh poy exoyn akrodejia xarakthristika. Ayto to mikro, alla yparkto pososto, poy edeije na apotelei politiko akroathrio tetoiwn apocewn, prepei na problhmatisei kyriws th N.D. apo thn opoia proerxetai kai h opoia me thn politikh ths dhmioyrgei to zwtiko xwro gia na yparjoyn tetoies apoceis. Ayta einai ta prwta symperasmata. Bebaiws, qa yparjei enas makrys kai ploysios dialogos, me aisqhma eyqynhs kai thn aparaithth eyaisqhsia apenanti sta symperasmata poy prepei na ejagoyme apo thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Toso apo ta apotelesmata toy a` gyroy, oso kai apo ta xqesina, ejagetai ena symperasma: Oti to PASOK emfanizei adynamia me xarakthristika httas se perioxes hmiagrotikes h agrotikes, to opoio eixate epishmanei polla stelexh kai apo ton a` gyro, alla kai se polles laikes geitonies megalwn polewn. Gia paradeigma, Peristeri, Nikaia kai Aigalew, dytikh Aqhna, opoy kata kyrio logo einai tetoies geitonies kai alles perioxes sth B@ Aqhnas, alla kai sth Nea Iwnia toy Boloy k.l.p. Ayto sas problhmatizei kai ti metra mporeite na labete epi ths oysias ths politikhs, etsi wste ayta ta strwmata poy -opws panta paradexeste- sas sthrizoyn, na sas sthrijoyn jana stis epomenes boyleytikes ekloges;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti anamfibola qa melethsoyme me prosoxh thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Bebaiws ephreazoyn shmantika ta proswpa kai ayto den mporei kaneis na to agnohsei. Qa deite dhmoys kai nomarxies me syggenh koinwnika strwmata, na exoyn teleiws diaforetika apotelesmata. Omws, yphrje bebaiws kai mia symperifora koinwnikwn strwmatwn, ta opoia antimetwpizoyn problhmata kai ayto prepei na ajiologhqei me aisqhma eyqynhs. Anaferate ta agrotika strwmata. Se orismenes perioxes idiaitera, giati den fanhke se olh thn Ellada, opoy paragontai orismena proionta, gia paradeigma, to bambaki, sta opoia yphrje mia dokimasia ton teleytaio kairo, ekfrasthke mia tetoia logikh, enas problhmatismos, se sxesh me thn politikh mas. Xreos mas einai na ajiologhsoyme ola ayta ta mhnymata, na ajiologhsoyme ayth th qelhsh poy edeije o ellhnikos laos, na bgaloyme ta aparaithta symperasmata kai na mporesoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme mia synexh, yparkth kai zwntanh sxesh me ayta ta strwmata, analyontas thn politikh mas, beltiwnontas shmeia poy einai dynata kai, bebaia, apokaqistwntas mia sxesh symporeyshs kai gia to mellon, panw sta problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn aytes oi koinwnikes dynameis. Pantote, omws, me realismo, me eyqynh kai mesa sto plaisio poy h politikh mas mporei na dwsei sygkekrimenes apanthseis. Apo kei kai pera, epitrecte moy na sas pw oti h doyleia ayth, poy exei na kanei kai me ta eklogika apotelesmata, prepei na ginei se baqos. Gia paradeigma, anaferate to Peristeri. Qelw, omws, na sas epishmanw oti sto b` gyro, toylaxiston, yphrje peripoy to ayto apotelesma me elaxistes diafores, oi opoies bebaiws odhghsan na allajei o dhmos xeria, alla einai peripoy to idio apotelesma ths prohgoymenhs foras. Thn prohgoymenh fora yphrxan 300 chfodeltia syn kai ayth th fora 300 plhn. Ayto se pososto einai peripoy 0,4% h 0,5%. Milame gia tetoies diafores. Epomenws, ta ajiologoyme ola ayta, prepei, omws, na epishmanw eidika gia to Peristeri oti egine enas ploysios kai shmantikos agwnas, mia poly ypeyqynh kai sobarh prospaqeia, h opoia bebaiws mporei na mhn odhghse se ena qetiko apotelesma gia to dhmo, alla odhghse opwsdhpote se ena poly shmantiko apotelesma kai ayto prepei na ajiologhqei.

MIXAHL: Kai xqes o Prwqypoyrgos kai eseis twra lete ``o,ti mporoyme na diorqwsoyme'' kai ``qa laboyme ypoch mas ta apotelesmata, sto plaisio ths politikhs mas''. Den sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti h politikh sas se orismenoys tomeis den exei, toylaxiston -an oxi apodokimastei- brei symfwnoys toys polites;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h politikh poy efarmozoyme sth strathgikh ths syllhch kai prowqhsh den mporei na allajei gia sygkekrimenoys logoys. Poioi einai oi logoi aytoi: Oti den yparxei dynatothta mias allhs politikhs, mesa sto periballon poy briskomaste, idiaitera ston agrotiko tomea. Yparxei Koinh Agrotikh Politikh, yparxoyn oi sygkekrimenes anagkes kai dynatothtes ths kai yparxei mprosta mas kai h anaqewrhsh ths Koinhs Agrotikhs Politikhs, sto plaisio twn diadikasiwn ths E.E. Ara, den mporoyme, gia paradeigma, na epaneqnikopoihsoyme thn ellhnikh gewrgia. Den omilei kanenas gia tetoia zhthmata. Bebaiws, omws, mporoyme na synergastoyme stena me ton Ellhna agroth gia tis anagkaies anadiarqrwseis. Bebaiws, mporoyn na erxontai oi apozhmiwseis sthn wra toys, kaqws kai mia seira alla zhthmata poy mporei na epilyqoyn kai exoyn na kanoyn me thn ejyphrethsh toy polith sta astika kentra, me thn kaqhmerinothta toy polith h me th sxesh mas me to xwro twn mikromesaiwn. Yparxoyn terastia periqwria mesa stis strathgikes epiloges mas, wste na yparxei mia beltiwsh ths sxeshs mas me ayta ta koinwnika strwmata. Na eiste bebaioi oti ayta ta periqwria qa ta ajiopoihsoyme

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Apo ta apotelesmata twn dyo gyrwn stis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges prokyptei oti orismenoi dhmoi oi nomarxies xaqhkan apo laqh stelexwn toy PASOK; Yparxoyn eyqynes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den biazomai na kanw tetoioy eidoys ektimhseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me ta eswterika toy PASOK. Opwsdhpote oi epiloges epedrasan, ta proswpa epedrasan, ta koinwnika problhmata se kaqe perioxh epedrasan, oi idiaiterothtes ths kaqe perioxhs epedrasan. Den mporei na syzhthsoyme genikws ayth th stigmh, giati etsi qa kanoyme afairesh, h opoia qa mas odhghsei se lanqasmena symperasmata. Ara, as doyme ta gegonota me hremia, sobarothta, eyqynh kai xwris kamia diaqesh ekmetalleyshs apo kanenan.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ara, twra moy lete oti den yparxoyn eyqynes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa, mh biazomaste na epixeiroyme diastayrwmena pyra. Giati opoios biastei na epixeirhsei diastayrwmena pyra, kat arxas qa kanei laqos, deyteron qa kindyneysei na apokrycei ta pragmatika problhmata kai triton, qa egkainiasei mia syzhthsh, h opoia qa exei isws gia ta MME kapoia stoixeia endiaferontos kai dramatopoihshs, alla epi ths oysias den qa apanta sta pragmatika problhmata. Emeis qeloyme na apantame sta pragmatika problhmata kai oxi na dhmioyrgoyme gegonota h diajifismoys.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti den yparxoyn nikhtes kai htthmenoi, gia thn kybernhsh kai to PASOK. O k. Karamanlhs xqes eipe oti nikhse h Aytodioikhsh, nikhse h N.D.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Karamanlhs ayto ektima, alla h ektimhsh toy den sthrizetai se yparkth bash. Den mporw na katalabw pws ejagei to symperasma oti nikhse h N.D., otan o idios stis ekloges toy 1998 -kai ean qelete mporw na sas diabasw th dhlwsh toy- eixe pei oti h nikh ths N.D. sthrizetai kyria panw sto gegonos ths nikhs sthn ypernomarxia Aqhnwn-Peiraiws, h opoia exei barynoysa politikh shmasia. Twra o eklektos toy k. Karamanlh apetyxe kai malista me megalh diafora, sthn ypernomarxia. Isws prepei na ypenqymisoyme ston arxhgo ths N.D. tis dhlwseis toy to 1998, gia na exei toylaxiston, ws pros ayto mia synepeia me tis shmerines toy dhlwseis.

POYLIDOY: Hqela na rwthsw ean exete staqmismena se chfoys ta apotelesmata twn dhmotikwn eklogwn, mias poy kapoioi edw....

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme twn nomarxiakwn toy a` gyroy, alla ayta einai ayqaireta. Kai na sas pw giati; Dioti h proswpikothta, qetikh h arnhtikh, enos ypochfioy nomarxh epidra ta mala. Den mporoyme na taytizoyme ta panta, na poyme oti h dynamh toy PASOK h toy PASOK kai toy SYN einai akribws ayth. Ean o ypochfios nomarxhs htan katallhloteros qa eixe dieisdysei kai stoys alloys xwroys. Ean o ypochfios nomarxhs htan aneparkhs kai apodokimasthke apo ton kosmo, qa exei xasei, se sxesh me th genikoterh poreia mas. Qa sas pw ena paradeigma apo tis ekloges sto Lekanopedio: Yparxoyn dhmoi me terasties diafores metajy ths chfoy gia thn ypernomarxia, yper ths kas Gennhmata, kai toy ypochfioy dhmarxoy. Ston a` gyro emfanisthke kai to antiqeto. Exw pei to paradeigma ths agias Barbaras, toy Tayroy kai toy Mosxatoy, opoy oi chfoi twn dhmarxwn yperebainan kata poly to kommatiko pososto toy PASOK. Einai parakindyneymeno kaneis na kanei tetoies anagwges. Par ola ayta kai me to aisqhma oti den prattoyme swsta, gia na doyme ti exei ginei, to kaname. Exoyme diapistwsei oti den yparxoyn oysiastikes diafores stis dynameis twn chfodeltiwn synergasias stis perissoteres perioxes, apo ekeines toy 1998. Ayto einai ena prwto symperasma apo ton a` gyro. Epanalambanw, omws, oti exei to stoixeio ths ayqairesias kai den nomizw oti prepei kaneis ekei na edrazei politikes ektimhseis.

POYLIDOY: Sygnwmh, exei ena stoixeio ayqairesias, apo thn allh pleyra, omws. Xqes sto xarth blepame thn ypernomarxia Aqhnwn na einai se ektash peripoy idia me thn Eyboia. Alla, ap oti katalaba kapoia stigmh, h ypernomarxia Aqhnwn apeyqynetai sto 1/3 h 1/4 toy plhqysmoy ths xwras. Ara, yparxei kai ena stoixeio ayqairesias apo thn allh pleyra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete dikio. Kai genikws exei ena stoixeio ayqairesias o xarths. Dioti, gia paradeigma, ston a` gyro yparxoyn polites poy yperchfisan to ``x'' syndyasmo ws prwto kai ton ``c'' ws deytero, kai ston b` gyro, gia kapoio logo poy piqanon na einai h oxi politikos , anedeijan ton ``c'' sth qesh toy nomarxh h toy dhmarxoy. Ayto den shmainei oti anhkei sto sygkekrimeno ``xrwma'' o nomos. Ayta einai ayqaireta symperasmata. Kai qa elega oti ayth h istoria me ta xrwmata kai ta shmaiakia den bohqa. To exei epishmanei kat epanalhch o k. Laliwths kai symfwnw apolyta mazi toy. Bebaiws kai an akomh etsi to paroyme, qa diapistwsete oti ean sas elega prin apo dyo mhnes -gia na eimaste eilikrineis metajy mas- oti oi dynameis kai ta chfodeltia poy yposthrizei to PASOK mazi me to Synaspismo h kai alles proodeytikes dynameis, qa efqanan peripoy stis 23 nomarxies poy einai shmera, isws na mas koitagate perierga. Shmera, omws, ayto einai gegonos.

GARGALAKOS: Sto qema ths politikhs anagnwshs toy apotelesmatos: Mporei h N.D. na mh dynatai na qesei qema prowrwn eklogwn, wstoso to apotelesma epibebaiwse to shmantiko probadisma twn 5-6 posostiaiwn monadwn poy katagrafoyn oi dhmoskophseis, yper ths N.D.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo poy bgainei ayto k. Gargalako;

GARGALAKOS: Na oloklhrwsw thn erwthsh. Kai me dedomeno oti apomenei enas xronos peripoy mexri tis eqnikes ekloges, qa eprepe to kybernwn komma na diorqwsei, nai h oxi, kapoies politikes toy, wste na paei stis eqnikes ekloges me dynatothtes nikhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa kai prin oti me aisqhma eyqynhs kai thn eyaisqhsia poy prepei na diaqetei to komma mas, qa ajiologhsoyme ta symperasmata poy bgainoyn apo thn chfo toy laoy kai bebaiws opoy xreiastoyn beltiwseis kai megalyterh apodotikothta sthn politikh mas, qa yparjoyn. Ayto to eipa me thn prwth parembash moy. Den eimaste adiaforoi otan chfizei o poliths, oyte alazonikoi. Ean to kaname ayto qa shmaine oti den akoyme tipota apo o,ti leei h koinwnia mas.

GARGALAKOS: Se o,ti afora to ``apo poy bgainei ayto'', einai mia ektimhsh toy k. Fanara, thn akoysa xqes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Entajei, Alla prepei na sas pw oti eginan polles ereynes to teleytaio diasthma. Yphrxan apotelesmata ereynwn poy edinan 10 monades, twra milame gia 5,5%, alla den qa prepei na panhgyrizoyme otan meiwnetai mia diafora, estw kai an h diafora ginei ayrio poly mikroterh. Ayto poy prepei na koitame einai h doyleia mas. Ean h doyleia mas ginetai swsta, na eiste bebaioi oti kai oi ereynes qa thn katagrafoyn kai qa beltiwnetai to pososto apo ereyna se ereyna.

ARGYROS: Sth beltiwsh kai thn enisxysh ths politikhs, mporei na kriqei kai to qema ths oikonomikhs politikhs h h antikatastash proswpwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei qema anasxhmatismoy.

ELENOPOYLOS: Ayto to jerame, alla ekeino poy den gnwrizoyme einai to ejhs: Qema allaghs proswpwn se organismoys, perifereies, ean, dhladh, ta piasoyme ena-ena ekei kai doyme ta stoixeia...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto den to gnwrizw. Einai ena qema poy kaqe fora synektimatai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo mazi me ton armodio ypoyrgo. Den mporoyme na to jeroyme ayto.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Yparxei mia epikratoysa apoch apo analytes, alla kai apo stelexh toy PASOK poy leei oti gia allh mia fora prokyptei epitaktika h anagkh ananewshs toy politikoy proswpikoy. Den qa rwthsw gia anasxhmatismo, qa zhthsw, omws, na moy sxoliasete ayth thn apoch kai an sto dromo pros tis eqnikes ekloges ayto qa prepei na apotelesei mia kyria parametro ths politikhs toy kybernwntos kommatos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynato na einai kaneis antiqetos sthn ananewsh toy politikoy proswpikoy enos poly megaloy kommatos, to opoio diekdikei thn ejoysia kai qa thn janadiekdikhsei stis epomenes ekloges;

ALEJAKHS: Sta symperasmata apo tis ekloges anaferetai oti yparxei ena kommati toy plhqysmoy, to opoio akoyei ta akrodejia mhnymata poy proerxontai apo ton k. Karatzaferh kai ayto einai kyria eyqynh@

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsame gia ena mikro kommati, alla diapistwmeno@

ALEJAKHS: Einai kyria eyqynh ths N.D. poy afhse zwtiko xwro. Epeidh ena megalo pososto apo aytoys toys chfoforoys htan neoi, anergoi, apo ayta ta koinwnika strwmata@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw thn idia gnwmh me sas.

ALEJAKHS: Toylaxiston oi statistikes@

PRWTOPAPAS: Kata ena megalo pososto htan anqrwpoi apo astikes perioxes kai me ypersynthrhtikes apoceis.

ALEJAKHS: Htan, omws, ena kommati poy ekineito se ayth thn kathgoria@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw, omws, oti diakrinetai gia to pososto ths anergias.

ALEJAKHS: Yphrxe, omws, sth Salamina, th Glyfada@

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai sth Glyfada, bebaiws. Giati;

ALEJAKHS: Htan ena megalo kommati arketwn proastiwn@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eimai kata twn proastiwn, pros Qeoy! Alla lew oti ta boreia proastia den diakrinontai gia ta megala laika problhmata. Ekei htan to megalytero pososto. Ayto shmainei oti htan kyriws ypersynthrhtikes kai ypereqnikistikes apoceis.

ALEJAKHS: Nai, alla tis tyxes ths xwras tis diaxeirizetai h kybernhsh. Skeftetai na anoijei ena dialogo me ta alla kommata h na diamorfwsei politikes, oytws wste na anasteilei ayth thn tash ths koinwnias, poy isws na mhn anaferetai se ena mono politiko xwro@

PRWTOPAPAS: Me aisqhma eyqynhs kai cyxraimias -giati den prepei na emfanistei ws apeilh, qelw na to kanw safes, den aisqanetai h dhmokratia mas kamia apeilh- prepei opote emfanizetai ena tetoio fainomeno na to antimetwpizoyme. Kai na to antimetwpisoyme prwta apo ola ideologika.

KARGOYDH: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na kanei kapoies diorqwseis ston ypo katartish proypologismo, me bash kai ta symperasmata poy exete hdh ejagei apo tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges; Ennow agrotika, mikromesaioi k.t.l.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas diabebaiwsw oti o proypologismos, toylaxiston to arxiko sxedio poy epejergasthkame -gnwrizete oti yparxei kai sxedio anagkhs se periptwsh polemoy- exei ejantlhsei tis dynatothtes ths oikonomias gia koinwnikes paroxes. Kai se kaqe periptwsh prepei na skeftomaste oti oi epi to qetikotero apanthseis poy mporei na doqoyn stis dikaiologhmenes apaithseis -to tonizw- twn laikwn strwmatwn, proypoqetoyn thn omalh, synexizomenh kai epitaxynomenh anaptyjiakh poreia ths xwras. Dioti apo thn omalh synexizomenh kai epitaxynomenh anaptyjiakh poreia ths xwras qa yparjoyn ekeina ta pleonasmata, ekeinoi oi poroi poy qa mas epitrecoyn, opws to qeloyme, na kanoyme akomh entonoterh koinwnikh politikh.

KARGOYDH: Akoyga to prwi se ena radiofwno ton Proedro ths PASEGES, o opoios elege oti den einai toso problhma politikhs, oso zhthma anajiopistias apo thn pleyra@

PRWTOPAPAS: To eipa ki egw, yparxoyn problhmata stis sxeseis mas. Den milw gia anajiopistia, den apodexomai ton oro, alla omologw oti yparxoyn problhmata stis sxeseis mas me polles koinwnikes omades, ta opoia den aptontai strathgikwn epilogwn. Den shmainei oti ola aptontai strathgikwn epilogwn.

ELENOPOYLOS: Gia poion ktypaei h kampana;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den xtypaei kamia kampana. Ola ayta ta zhthmata ginontai, ta syzhtoymai gia na eimaste akomh pio apotelesmatikoi sth doyleia mas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Symplhrwmatika se ayto poy rwthse h ka Kargoydh: Den exw katalabei, lete synexeia oti h kybernhsh exei labei to mhnyma kai qa prospaqhsoyme na ginoyme kalyteroi@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa gia mhnyma. Milhsa gia polla kai poikilwnyma mhnymata. Den einai aplo to qema.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: @kai oti qa prospaqhsei na erqei pio konta ston polith k.t.l. Kai thn epomenh hmera twn eklogwn, enw exete sobaro problhma se dyo basikes kathgories koinwnikwn strwmatwn, opws einai oi agrotes kai oi laikes synoikies twn Aqhnwn, eiste kathgorhmatikoi kai lete oti den mporei na allajei h politikh sas ston agrotiko tomea.

PRWTOPAPAS: Megalytera problhmata exoyme sthn Aqhna kai se perioxes poy den qewroyntai laikes. Gia paradeigma, qelw na sas qymisw oti o dhmos N. Iwnias, kat` ejoxhn ergatikos dhmos, htan mexri twra sta xeria dhmarxoy kai dhmotikoy syndyasmoy poy yposthrizotan apo th N.D.. O k. Xaralampoys ejelegh xqes dhmarxos N. Iwnias.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ti qelete na peite me ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na pw oti ta megalytera problhmata, an prosejete to xarth poy diamorfwnetai, idiaitera sthn perioxh toy Lekanopedioy, den einai stis laikes perioxes. Yparxoyn problhmata sto lao.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Rwtaw sygkekrimena.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sthn Petroypolh poy einai kat` ejoxhn laikh perioxh, xqes ejelegh ws dhmarxos, oxi o ypochfios toy KKE, alla o k. Blaxos.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Eseis eipate prohgoymenws oti qelete na deite ta pollapla mhnymata. An moy apantate me ayton ton tropo, shmainei oti h kybernhsh prospaqei na brei kapoies dikaiologies gia na mhn allajei thn politikh ths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kamia dikaiologia. H kybernhsh kai to PASOK prepei na ermhneysoyn poly kala ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn, dioti emperiexoyn pollapla mhnymata kai den yparxei ena eniaio mhnyma, opws epixeirhse na tekmhriwsei h N.D.. Gia paradeigma, oson afora to zhthma toy bambakioy, einai safes oti fetos h poly shmantikh doyleia poy exei ginei apo to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias -qelw na eimai panta sygkekrimenos- den qa odhghsei sta persina problhmata. Ayth einai h problech mas. Qa eimaste apo thn arxh se qesh na sygkentrwsoyme thn posothta poy orizoyn oi koinotikoi kanonismoi kai na ypologisoyme me akribeia kai xwris periqwrio laqoys -ayto elpizoyme toylaxiston- thn epistrofh poy qa eisprajoyn oi agrotes mas kai grhgora.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ayto den shmainei oti lyqhkan ta problhmata. O Prwqypoyrgos epi dyo xronia ejaggellei oti qa ginei to "Mhtrwo Agrotwn" kai qa dinontai apozhmiwseis. Omws, oi apozhmiwseis stoys agrotes den dinontai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete kala oti oi apozhmiwseis exoyn arxisei na dinontai kai malista poly pio grhgora. Kai an gia toys bambakoparagwgoys kataferoyme ayto poy exoyme programmatisei -h doyleia exei ginei- dhladh, na eimaste apotelesmatikoi, me swsth efarmogh toy Kanonismoy kai na sygkentrwqoyn oi problepomenes posothtes, qa yparjoyn megales epistrofes, ara kai chlh timh gia ton Ellhna bambakoparagwgo, ta apotelesmata kai oi sxeseis mas me toys xwroys aytoys qa einai teleiws diaforetikes. Alla, kaka ta cemata, den mporoyme na epaneqnikopoihsoyme thn ellhnikh gewrgia. Opoios milaei gia tetoies allages politikhs, odhgei se katastrofh, makroproqesma ton Ellhna agroth. Mhn kanoyme mhxanistikes analyseis. H politikh mas prepei na proxwrhsei akomh pio mprosta, akomh pio apotelesmatika. Na mporesoyme na synergastoyme me ton Ellhna agroth, ton Ellhna bambakoparagwgo gia na dhmioyrghsoyme megalyterh antagwnistikothta sta proionta mas. Ayth einai h swsth energeia, ayth einai h swsth allagh, h beltiwsh poy prepei na ginei. Na mporesoyme na eimaste apodotikoi, egkaira kai paragwgika sthn politikh poy exoyme ejaggeilei. Na efarmozetai ayth h politikh. An ginei ayto se oloys toys xwroys, giati den afora kapoioys xwroys memonwmena, na eiste bebaioi oti qa dhmioyrghqoyn kalyteroi ryqmoi sto kybernhtiko ergo kai akomh kalyteres sxeseis me ola ta koinwnika strwmata. Eidikotera, oson afora to xwro toy Lekanopedioy qa diapistwsete oti yparxoyn pragmatika perierga fainomena. Ston idio ajona, me thn idia koinwnikh synqesh, o ypochfios mas pairnei pososto peripoy 65% kai ston allo dhmo na mhn mporei na eklegei. Gia paradeigma, qa deite opws eipa sto polypaqo Mosxato h thn perioxh toy Renth ejeleghsan dhmarxoi oi ypochfioi poy yposthrizontan apo to Synaspismo kai to PASOK apo ton a@ gyro, enw alloy poy den yphrje toso swsth antapokrish twn dhmotikwn arxwn se fysikes katastrofes, yphrje apodokimasia twn ypochfiwn dhmarxwn. Ola ayta ta problhmata prepei na synektimhqoyn. O laos diaqetei kai gnwsh, exei kai mnhmh kai kaqe fora me thn chfo toy topoqetei ta pragmata opws prepei. Kai emeis prepei na ta ermhneysoyme swsta.

KOYIN: Eipate oti to kyrio antikeimeno twn episkecewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto ejwteriko qa einai h dieyrynsh me aixmh to Kypriako. Xarakthrisate kai thn olh diadikasia me thn Kopegxagh san krisimh. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, perimenei h kybernhsh polla problhmata, oson afora thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se tetoias fyshs erwthseis den mporeis na eisai apolytws sygkekrimenos kai gnwrizete kalytera apo emena to giati. Ean rwtate gia thn proswpikh ektimhsh moy, qa sas apanthsw oti nai, isws yparjoyn problhmata. Kai emeis prepei apo twra, me th doyleia mas na prolaboyme na mhn emfanistoyn problhmata. Oi episkeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy se toses eyrwpaikes prwteyoyses kai oi polles synanthseis toy me Eyrwpaioys hgetes, kaqws kai oi prwtoboylies poy synexws analambanei, alla kai h paroysia toy se ola ta dieqnh fora exoyn ayto ws stoxo: na proetoimastoyme swsta thn krisimh wra. Na exoyme dhmioyrghsei me th doyleia mas tis synqhkes ekeines, wste ayta ta problhmata na apofeyxqoyn. Na ftasoyme omala sthn apofash gia th dieyrynsh. An den kanoyme tis katallhles proetoimasies, an den doylecoyme swsta, mporei ta apotelesmata na mhn einai ta anamenomena. Me th doyleia mas qa odhghqoyme sto epiqymhto apotelesma. Giati, as mhn jexname oti yparxoyn sobara zhthmata reystothtas se qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. Gia paradeigma, sto qema ths Toyrkias kai ennow tis ekloges sth geitona xwra. Den dhmioyrgeitai reystothta; Yparxoyn kai ta problhmata ygeias toy k. Ntenktas. Yparxei h anamenomenh protash toy OHE meta apo tis toyrkikes ekloges. Yparxei seira problhmatwn poy qa exoyme mprosta mas.

Sas eyxaristw.

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