Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-10-02

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Oktwbrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GKROMAN: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw sxetika me tis ejelijeis sto Irak, dedomenoy oti h Bagdath fainetai na exei epitrecei thn eisodo twn epiqewrhtwn sth xwra, alla h Oyasigkton epimenei se mia stratiwtikh epembash.

PRWTOPAPAS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy, xqes, proebh se dhlwsh gia to qema ayto kai eipe oti eyelpistoyme pws o Santam qa dexqei ton elegxo kai ton afoplismo poy zhtaei o OHE gia tyxon pyrhnika h alla epikindyna opla kai ayth einai h elpida olwn mas. To Irak prepei na apodexqei toys oroys toy OHE kai bebaiws thn plhrh symmorfwsh toy me ayta ta dedomena. Ean ayto den ginei apodekto qa prepei o OHE na syzhthsei kai na apofasisei gia ta epomena bhmata. Se kaqe periptwsh, pisteyoyme oti oi opoies apofaseis se ena idiaitera eyaisqhto qema prepei na lhfqoyn sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy Symboylioy Asfaleias.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete kat` arxhn th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Etsebit, sthn opoia gia prwth fora leei oti den prokeitai na xalasoyme ton kosmo an oi Ellhnokyprioi entaxqoyn prwtoi sthn E.E. Einai mia dhlwsh poy ginetai gia prwth fora meta to 1974 kai den jerw bebaia poy aposkopei. H deyterh erwthsh afora plhrofories gia pieseis anabolhs ths askhshs "NIKHFOROS-TOJOTHS" poy entassetai sto eniaio amyntiko dogma Elladas- Kyproy kai oi pieseis aytes proerxontai mallon apo toys Agglo-Amerikanoys. Odhgoymaste se anabolh ayths ths askhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora to prwto erwthma sas, ontws, yparxei mia shmantikh dhlwsh toy Toyrkoy prwqypoyrgoy. Bebaiws den arkoyn oi dhlwseis. Ayta prepei na ginontai kai prajeis. Exoyme dei polles diaforetikes dhlwseis mexri twra. Den exoyme kanena logo na mh qewrhsoyme shmantikh th dhlwsh ayth, omws qa prepei kai h olh symperifora ths Toyrkias na einai analogh, dioti mexri twra den htan. Den exoyme kanena logo kaqe qetiko bhma na mhn to epikrothsoyme. Se kaqe periptwsh, prepei na ginei safes kai sthn toyrkikh pleyra oti h entajh qa proxwrhsei basei twn krithriwn ths E.E. Ekeino poy kata th gnwmh mas xreiazetai h Toyrkia einai h enisxysh ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths kati sto opoio symfwnei h Ellada kai einai diateqeimenh na diadramatisei kai to diko ths qetiko rolo.

Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, den yparxoyn pieseis, den exei ekdhlwqei, toylaxiston mexri twra, apo opoiadhpote pleyra kanena, epishmo aithma. H proetoimasia ths askhshs proxwra kanonika.

PITTARAS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti apo edw kai sto ejhs qa prepei na rwtame ton k. Koyfontina an qa prepei na ton trabhjoyme ws eikona eite otan phgainei sta dikasthria, eite oxi kai an den ginetai ayto aytepaggeltws o operater h o dhmosiografos qa phgainei sto aytofwro;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, den qa rwtame mono ton k. Koyfontina, alla qa rwtame kai esas piqana h emena se kapoia ypoqesh ayrio h kai ton kaqe polith. Opws gnwrizete sthn Ellada o kathgoroymenos poliths einai aqwos mexri apodeijews toy enantioy. O rolos olwn mas einai na sebomaste kai na prostateyoyme to tekmhrio aqwothtas. Bebaiws, otan kapoios syllambanetai, yparxoyn endeijeis kai apodeijeis enantion toy kai sthn prokeimenh periptwsh oi anqrwpoi aytoi exoyn omologhsei. Alla, ena metro den isxyei gia toys sygkekrimenoys anqrwpoys, isxyei gia kaqe periptwsh kai gia kaqe qema. Ayrio qa exoyme kapoion anqrwpo, o opoios piqana qa syllhfqei kai qa odhghqei ston eisaggelea me kapoia kathgoria. To zhthma einai an ayth h kathgoria den stoixeioqethqei kai o poliths kriqei aqwos apo kapoio dikasthrio na mhn exei stigmatistei sthn koinwnia, na mhn exei "katadikastei" polles fores prin thn piqanh aqwwtikh apofash toy dikasthrioy, apo ta MME h apo ton opoiondhpote apo emas. Prepei na prostateysoyme to tekmhrio aqwothtas toy polith. Qelw na tonisw oti den yparxei logokrisia. Den yparxoyn metra katastolhs kai den yparxei apagoreysh ths eleyqerias toy logoy. To antiqeto symbainei. To epanalambanw ws staqero pisteyw mas kai ws staqerh praktikh mas.

KOYIN: Qa hqela ena politiko sxolio gia th xqesinobradinh diadhlwsh poy egine sthn Aqhna.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na tonisw oti diafwnoyme kai ideologika kai politika kai qa elega akomh, oti oloi aisqanqhkame kapoia idiaitera asxhma synaisqhmata apo orismena synqhmata poy akoysthkan kai poy prokaloyn. Einai safes oti diafwnoyme plhrws me ta tyxon ideologika, politika h opws qelei na ta xarakthrisei kaneis, mhnymata h synqhmata ta opoia ektojeyqhkan apo aytoys toys anqrwpoys. Omws, ayto einai to megaleio ths Dhmokratias mas. Ayto akribws qelw na epanalambanw: Oti enw diafwnoyme me ayto poy lene kai diafwnoyme kaqeta, prepei na diasfalizoyme to dikaiwma toy kaqenos na to leei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H Dhmokratia den exei kai oria, omws;

PRWTOPAPAS: To na kanei kapoios mia diadhlwsh kai na fwnajei ta synqhmata toy, me ta opoia tonizw pali oti diafwnw plhrws, einai dikaiwma toy. Exoyme, omws, ypoxrewsh, emeis poy yperaspizomaste th Dhmokratia, na diasfalizoyme kai se aytoys me toys opoioys diafwnoyme to dikaiwma na poyn thn apoch toys. Estw an kai ayth hxei proklhtika sta aytia mas. Ayto einai to megaleio ths Dhmokratias mas.

ARGYROS: Omws, ektos apo ta synqhmata poy fwnajan, egracan kai synqhmata panw se diaforoys xwroys kai katestrecan. Ayto, isws, den qa eprepe na to exei prolabei h Politeia mas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, egracan panw se xwroys oi perissoteroi ej aytwn -an, toylaxiston, proseja kala- poy einai panepisthmiako asylo. Kai opws gnwrizete, ekei den yparxei dynatothta epembashs ths Politeias. To panepisthmiako asylo prostateyetai apo to Syntagma mas. Xreiazetai na synelqoyn oi prytanikes arxes gia mia seira diadikasiwn poy ekeinh thn wra fantazomai oti den htan eykolo na ginoyn. Omws, qelw na sas qesw ena genikotero erwthma gia ton tropo antimetwpishs ths poreias. Pisteyoyme oti o tropos antimetwpishs ayths ths poreias htan o kalyteros dynatos. Ektimw oti kapoioys qa boleye na ginoyn epeisodia. Kai den qa boleye thn koinwnia mas, den qa ejyphretoyse tis organwmenes koinwnikes dynameis, den qa ejyphretoyse toys polites, den qa ejyphretoyse to mhnyma poy qelei na steilei h Dhmokratia mas. Kapoioys qa ejyphretoyse h tyxon fasaria. Ektimw, loipon, me bash ayto, oti o xeirismos htan pragmatika poly swstos.

PITTARAS: Ennoeite tis thleoraseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, bebaiws. Koitajte, omws: Einai safes oti kai orismenes thleoraseis qa yperprobalan kapoia epeisodia gia logoys thleqeashs. Alla, ayto den einai to problhma. Allo ennooysa. Ennooysa oti kapoioi apo aytoys toys anqrwpoys piqanon qa ejyphretoysan ayto poy eixan sto myalo toys, ean antimetwpizontan amesa apo thn astynomia kai eixame th dhmioyrgia epeisodiwn. Skefteite to kai ayto.

GARGALAKOS: Xqes, akoysame ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, ton k. Karamanlh na leei kati gia lasph apo diatetagmena ferefwna, poy epistrateyete eseis ws kybernhsh, kai ta opoia akoloyqoyn parakratikes praktikes kai meqodeyseis. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa epanalambana, prwton, oti sto spiti toy kremasmenoy den milane gia skoini . To deytero poy qelw na parathrhsw einai oti k. Karamanlhs oles aytes tis hmeres epediwje kai qa epidiwjei -kai shmera qa to kanei fantazomai stis omilies toy- thn polwsh kai to dixasmo. Ola ayta poy diakhrysse o k. Karamanlhs kai eixame tonisei oti den ta pisteyei, peri symfiliwshs, yperbasewn, anoigmatwn kai peri mesaioy xwroy, "phgan peripato". To proswpeio epese kai fanhke kaqara h strathgikh ths polwshs, toy dixasmoy toy laoy kai malista se ena qema poy qa eprepe na enwnei toys polites, opws einai to qema ths syzhthshs gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai thn poreia ths. O k. Karamanlhs den distazei oyte na kalyptei akrodejies energeies, opws aytes poy ekane o k. Cwmiadhs, oyte na pazareyei me akrodejies antilhceis, opws fanhke oti ginetai me thn periptwsh toy k. Karatzaferh, oyte kai na prospaqei na polwsei kai na dixasei gia na metatrecei thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh ypoxeirio kai ekkolapthrio kommatikwn mhxanismwn. Ayth einai h taktikh toy. H taktikh poy prodidei sygxysh kai paniko, ejaitias kai twn lanqasmenwn epilogwn poy ekane. Den qa ton akoloyqhsoyme. Emeis den qeloyme thn polwsh. Den epidiwkoyme to dixasmo. Qeloyme na enwnoyme toys Ellhnes, idiaitera se ena qema poy h koinwnia prepei na einai enwmenh, opws einai h Aytodioikhsh.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Gia to prohgoymeno qema ths prostasias toy tekmhrioy aqwothtas twn kathgoroymenwn, hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh protiqetai sto nomosxedio poy exei kataqesei hdh o k. Petsalnikos sth Boylh, na periorisei thn prosbash twn thleoptikwn synergeiwn kai twn dhmosiografwn sthn aiqoysa poy qa diejaxqei h dikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai allo to ena qema kai allo to allo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Aplws ta syndeete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, eseis ta syndeete. O k. Petsalnikos stis dhlwseis toy den ta synedese. Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis toy k. Petsalnikoy. Prepei na perimenoyme tis sxetikes prwtoboylies toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs.

MOYRZTHS: H kybernhsh den qa parei kapoio metro sxetika me th syntexnia twn laikwn agorwn, poy xqes proselabe idiaitera biaia xarakthristika, ta eidame apo tis thleoraseis. Ti qa kanete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na epanalabw th xqesinh topoqethsh moy: Eimaste anoiktoi se dialogo gia na lysoyme ta qesmika problhmata twn laikwn agorwn, na eksygxronisoyme to plaisio leitoyrgias toys, na katapolemhsoyme to paraemporio. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, den prokeitai na allajei to metro twn tameiakwn mhxanwn, to opoio exei teqei mono gia biomhxanika proionta, gia paradeigma papoytsia h endymata ta opoia pwloyntai stis laikes agores kai pisteyoyme oti einai swsto. Den isxyei to metro twn tameiakwn mhxanwn gia agrotika, opwrokhpeytika h allhs fysews proionta poy pwloyntai stis laikes agores. To metro ayto eggizei mono to 4% twn pwlhtwn. Epanalambanw oti exei na kanei kai me tis arxes toy antagwnismoy. Qelw, epishs, na tonisw oti h Politeia den qa dexqei, oyte na kleisoyn oi eqnikoi dromoi, oyte na ginontai ayqairetoi elegxoi se dierxomena forthga, oyte na ypokaqistatai apo kanenan. H trofodosia ths agoras qa prepei na ginetai kanonika.

ANTYPAS: Epeidh eidame xqes eikones sthn thleorash, na petoyn kafedes, na prospaqoyn na katebasoyn odhgo, o opoios me th seira toy ebale empros kai par` oligon na pathsei aytoys poy mexri protinos ton apeiloysan, qelw na jerw dyo pragmata: Prwton, ean exete enhmerwqei gia th diadikasia enantion twn emplekomenwn se ayth thn ypoqesh kai deyteron, ti entoles qa dwsei h kybernhsh stis armodies arxes gia na mhn yparxei aytodikia metajy politwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh exei dwsei entolh sthn Astynomia na efarmosei to nomo. O nomos orizei oti yparxoyn entetalmena organa gia na kanoyn elegxoys. Den mporei o opoiosdhpote na metaballetai se aytoklhto elegkth ths kykloforias. Ayto den mporei na ginei. Den mporei kaneis na kleinei dromoys, oyte mporei na stamata opoio dierxomeno aytokinhto epiqymei. Den exei to dikaiwma. Kaneis den mporei na ypokatasthsei ta entetalmena organa ths politeias. Apo ekei kai pera, den gnwrizw ean exei kinhqei kapoia dikastikh diadikasia. Opws gnwrizete, h Dikaiosynh exei th dikh ths aytonomia kai tis dikes ths leitoyrgies. Ean lhfqei kapoio metro, qa anakoinwqei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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