Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-09-30

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 30 Septembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

Se ligh wra, stis 13.15, exei synanthsh me ton Oikoymeniko Patriarxh k. Barqolomaio. Stis 12.30, synanthqhke me ekproswpoys toy Syndesmoy Biomhxaniwn ths Toyrkias.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy kai ton ypoyrgo anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn Taso Giannitsh, me antikeimeno thn proetoimasia enocei ths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths Danias, h opoia askei thn Proedria ths E.E. Stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa parastei sthn enarjh leitoyrgias toy Idrymatos Iatrobiologikwn Ereynwn, to opoio, ws gnwston, leitoyrgei me eyqynh ths Akadhmias Aqhnwn. Stis 7 to apogeyma, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn Dhmhtrh Reppa kai sth synexeia qa parastei, kata ta eiwqota, sto deipno poy paraqetoyn sto Peristeri oi boyleytes toy PASOK poy metexoyn sto G@ Qerino Tmhma ths Boylhs.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10.30 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Kwsta Skandalidh kai stis 11.15, qa episkefqei ton pezodromo ths Apostoloy Payloy, opoy, ws gnwston, egine h enopoihsh twn arxaiologikwn xwrwn.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me antikeimeno qemata apasxolhshs kai eishghth ton ypoyrgo Ergasias Dhmhtrh Reppa.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh kai stis 12 to meshmeri, qa ginei h synanthsh me to Dano Prwqypoyrgo k. Rasmoysen.

Qelw na tonisw oti yparxei piqanothta na prosteqoyn kapoies synanthseis h episkeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros to telos ths ebdomadas.

Th Deytera (7.10), stis 2 meta to meshmeri, qa yparjei geyma me th Dioikhsh ths Trapezas ths Elladas, meta to opoio o Prwqypoyrgos qa probei se dhlwsh gia thn poreia ths oikonomias

Thn Trith (8.10), stis 11 to prwi, qa apeyqynqei me politikh omilia pros toys boyleytes toy PASOK, sth synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy Kinhmatos. Stis 13:00 qa synedriasei to epikoinwniako epiteleio.

Thn Tetarth (9.10), stis 10 to prwi, qa episkefqei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias Kwnstantino Stefanopoylo kai stis 12:00 qa proedreysei ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes.

Thn Pempth (10.10), stis 11 to prwi, qa episkefqei to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, opoy meta th sxetikh synomilia poy qa exei me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh, qa yparjoyn ejaggelies gia qemata asfaleias twn politwn.

Qelw na sas enhmerwsw, epishs, oti pragmatopoieitai hdh synanthsh toy yfypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs Xrhstoy Qeodwroy me ta swmateia twn laikwn agorwn. Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh protash apo ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs Akh Tsoxatzopoylo poy exei katateqei kai problepei mia mikth epitroph poy qa syzhthsei ola ta zhthmata poy sxetizontai me ton eksygxronismo toy qesmikoy plaisioy twn laikwn agorwn me thn endynamwsh twn organwn kai diadikasiwn elegxoy, wste na stamathsei to paraemporio. Gi` ayto to logo, pisteyw oti h protash poy exei kataqesei o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs mporei na apotelesei th bash enos tetoioy dialogoy. Apo th shmerinh synanthsh toys me ton k. Qeodwroy mporei na yparjei katalhjh. Se kaqe periptwsh, kai oi idioi oi pwlhtes twn laikwn agorwn qa prepei na skefqoyn oti olh ayth h prospaqeia qa apobei se ofelos toys, dioti qa antimetwpisei to paraemporio kai oti anoigetai o dromos gia enan pragmatika qesmiko eksygxronismo, me o,ti ayto shmainei, ths olhs diadikasias kai leitoyrgias twn laikwn agorwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GIAKOYMHS: Dyo hmeres prin apo tis ekloges...

PRWTOPAPAS: To lew ayto kai qa to janapw oti oi ekloges ginontai gia thn Aytodioikhsh kai den anairoyn to kybernhtiko ergo.

MIXAHL: Xqes, h efhmerida ``TO PARON'', egrace oti o Prwqypoyrgos, sthn prosfath synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK, kataferqhke enantion MME, kanaliwn sygkekrimena, onomatizontas symfwna me to dhmosieyma ton ALPHA kai to STAR. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh, eseis dhladh, epibebaiwnete h diaceydete ena tetoio dhmosieyma.

PRWTOPAPAS: To eipa kai xqes, moy dinete, omws, thn eykairia na to epanalabw kai shmera oti o Prwqypoyrgos otan qelei na pei kati, to leei dhmosia kai h kybernhsh otan qelei na pei kati, epishs to leei dhmosia. Loipon, den yphrje kanena tetoio qema. Bebaiws, otan me rwtaei synadelfos sas, ti exete na peite gia th genikoterh emfanish twn thleorasewn kata to 3mhno ths tromokratias, ayto qa apanthsw. To exw pei deka fores mexri twra. Otan erwtwmai, "ti exete na peite gia th genikoterh stash twn MME, kaq` olh th diarkeia ths syzhthshs gyrw apo thn tromokratia epi dyo-treis mhnes" kai otan exw pei deka fores oti prepei na prosexoyme -dioti den prepei na metatrepoyme thn istoria ayth se ``sooy''- kai na yparxei mia aytosygkrathsh kai na mh dinoyme tosh shmasia sta senaria, ta opoia orismenoi periferomenoi ``paramyqades'' anaptyssoyn, aytos einai enas genikos kanonas kai mia genikh parathrhsh. Thn exw diatypwsei para polles fores kai thn epanelaba gia dekath h endekath fora xqes. Den exei ayto kamia qesh emmeshs epibebaiwshs kapoias anaforas toy Prwqypoyrgoy h kati tetoio. Htan allh erwthsh kai apanthsa sthn erwthsh poy moy egine. Se allo thleoptiko staqmo poy me rwthse eyqews, ean o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke h epiteqhke, opws grafthke, kata thleoptikwn staqmwn, apantw, epishs eyqews, oti den isxyei kati tetoio. Otan exoyme kati na poyme, to leme dhmosia. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane tis synhqeis genikes anafores, tis opoies kai dhmosiws exei kanei.

MIXAHL: Xqes, sthn apanthsh sas, xrhsimopoihsate mia frash poy qelei dieykrinish, toylaxiston apo mena. Milhsate gia kapoioys poy kanoyn kala th doyleia toys kai gia kapoioys poy den thn kanoyn kala. Mporeite na eiste pio sygkekrimenos; Poioi den thn kanoyn kala;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na eimai pio sygkekrimenos, dioti h parathrhsh moy den exei tetoio xarakthra. Einai h pollosth fora poy th diatypwsa. Exei perissotero xarakthra epishmanshs kai oxi epiqeshs kata kapoioy sygkekrimenoy. Epishmansh gia apofygh apo oloys mas. Den mporei na siwpoyme otan blepoyme, gia paradeigma, kapoioys kyrioys na gyrizoyn sta kanalia -toys apokalesa paramyqades kai to ekana meta logoy gnwsews- kai na anaptyssoyn senaria oti o Koyfontinas einai sta ypogeia ths EYP h oti gnwrizoyme poy einai h oti ta stelexh toy PASOK ton kryboyn, dioti foboyntai. Eipwqhkan ayta. Den ginetai na mhn ta sxoliasoyme kai prepei na prosexoyme gia na mh metaballoyme to idiaitera sobaro qema ths antimetwpishs ths tromokratias se thleoptiko ``sooy''. Ayto eipa kai ejakoloyqw na to lew.

MIXAHL: Jerete giati sas rwtaw; Giati me to gegonos oti eseis den ginate pio sygkekrimenos -den qa epimeinw se ayto- dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh ston polith oti genika pairnei h mpala oloys...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw tonisei kat` epanalhch -eseis eiste edw taktika- oti den ennow oloys. Anaferomai se sygkekrimenes symperifores.

MIXAHL: Akribws. Se sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh, oi symperifores orismenwn kanaliwn, opws h diakinhsh onomatologias k.lp. eixan katadikastei apo esas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti epeidh exw to qarros ths gnwmhs moy, otan exw kati na pw, to lew dhmosia. Gnwrizete akomh oti exw kataggelqei kat` epanalhch gi ayto apo synadelfoys sas. Den me peirazei, den me enoxlei. To na kanoyme mia dhmosia anafora stis apoceis mas, nomizw oti einai epibeblhmeno gia ton kaqe politiko. Apo kei kai pera, o kaqe politikos krinetai kai aytos. Alla, alimono ean ayto mas kanei na mhn antapokrinomaste, na mhn prowqoyme tis apoceis mas kai, ean qelete, na mh shmeiwnoyme pragmata poy mporei na dhmioyrghsoyn meizona problhmata se ena qema poy afora olh thn koinwnia, alla kai th xwra mas, opws einai h antimetwpish ths tromokratias. Den mporei thn tromokratia na thn antimetwpizoyme ws thleoptiko ``sooy''. Ayto den qa stamathsw na to lew.

GIAKOYMHS: Sthn erwthsh toy k. Mixahl, eseis diaceysate to gegonos ths anaforas toy k. Shmith sto E.G., wstoso thn idia wra stelexh toy kommatos, melh toy E.G. to epibebaiwnoyn. Hqela na kanw prwta ayth thn erwthsh kai deyteron: Shmera to brady exei mia omilia o k. Karamanlhs, me qema thn trith hlikia, ston Peiraia, ypo thn aigida toy Dhmoy Peiraia. Kai hqela na rwthsw, mporoyn orismenoi dhmoi, opoioidhpote dhmoi na kanoyn sygkentrwseis kommatwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto prwto erwthma sas, den jerw kanena melos toy E.G. na epibebaiwnei th sxetikh plhroforia. Bebaiws, ean rwthsw esas, qa moy peite oti o dhmosiografos den apokalyptei pote tis phges toy kai den qa bgaloyme akrh. Katopin toytoy, ayto poy exw epishmws na dhlwsw, einai ayto poy eipa kai opoios exei peri toy antiqetoy apoch, na mas thn pei. Sas to lew poly kaqara, gia na exoyme kaqares ejhghseis metajy mas. Gia to deytero zhthma poy qesate me to Dhmo Peiraia: Diabasa th sxetikh anakoinwsh. Bebaiws, dikaiwma toy kaqenos einai na syndiorganwnei ekdhlwseis me politika kommata. Alla, epitrecete moy na pw oti 13 hmeres pro twn eklogwn h syndiorganwsh apo to Dhmarxo Peiraia me ena politiko komma kai sygkekrimena th N.D. mias ekdhlwshs poy fantazomai oti o k. Karamanlhs qa epiteqei sthn kybernhsh kai piqanws kai se alloys ypochfioys, plhn aytoy poy sthrizei h N.D., den einai h sofoterh energeia. Alla, gi ayto, o kaqenas kanei tis epiloges toy kai krinetai apo to lao. Den shmainei, dhladh, oti den einai dikaiwma toy. To qema einai ti shma dinei thn kaqe xronikh periodo.

GIAKOYMHS: Mporoyme na ypoqesoyme, omws, oti synexizetai kai h leitoyrgia toy Dhmoy, opws ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to agnohsa ayto, gi ayto eipa oti einai dikaiwma toy. Apo kei kai pera omws, 13 hmeres pro twn eklogwn, ``h gynaika toy Kaisara den ftanei na einai timia, prepei kai na to deixnei''.

SEIZOBA: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia tis proedrikes ekloges sth Serbia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, para tis diamartyries poy dexomai kamia fora, apofeygw na kanw sxolia gia ekloges poy aforoyn alles xwres. To mono poy mporw na pw einai oti, ap` o,ti fainetai, oi ekloges diejhxqhsan omala kai ayto einai idiaitera shmantiko. Me ayth thn ennoia, ean etsi einai ta pragmata, to xairetizoyme.

MIXAS: Sto eklogiko fylladio enos ypochfioy, toy k. Anastopoyloy poy yposthrizetai apo to PASOK, anaferontai sto biografiko toy dyo kaqoristika stoixeia. Prwton, oti diorganwse thn episkech toy Rantoban Karatzits sthn Hlioypolh kai deyteron, oti yphrje dieyqynths toy grafeioy toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Giwrgoy Papandreoy, apo to 97'-99@. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Pisteyete oti ayjanei thn ajiopistia ths kybernhshs, enanti toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs, to oti o dieyqynths toy pio eyaisqhtoy ypoyrgeioy, aytoy twn Ejwterikwn, htan taytoxrona kai o synergaths poy diorganwne fiestes gia ton katejoxhn fygodiko toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, qa hqela na sas pw oti den exw dei ta biografika twn ypochfiwn nomarxiakwn symboylwn, alla den amfisbhtw ayto poy lete. Fantazomai oti kaqenas sto biografiko toy mporei na grafei o,ti qelei. Den mporw na gnwrizw ti grafetai sta biografika xiliadwn ypochfiwn poy einai stoys syndyasmoys poy yposthrizei to komma poy anhkw, oyte mporw na sxoliazw ta biografika toys. Ayto poy qelw na tonisw, einai oti h qesh ths Elladas apenanti se ayta ta zhthmata einai idiaitera kaqarh. Gnwrizete oti me idiaiterh prosoxh o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy exei staqei apenanti sta zhthmata ths dieykolynshs toy ergoy toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. Exoyme kanei o,ti mporoyme kai qa synexisoyme na to kanoyme, wste na dieykolynoyme to ergo, symfwna me ayta poy mas zhtoyn oi armodies arxes.

KAPPOS: Eidika ws pros to qema ths ajiopistias twn dhmoskophsewn, yphrje mia antidiastolh apocewn metajy esas kai toy k. Roysopoyloy. Ekfrasate kapoies qeseis eseis kai kapoies qeseis kai ypainigmoys o k. Roysopoylos. Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos qa mas systhnate na pisteyoyme ta porismata twn dhmoskophsewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia to qema ayto, o,ti eixa na pw to eipa, kata ton pleon safh tropo, kai pisteyw oti to katagracate, opws katagracate kai tis apoceis toy ekproswpoy ths N.D. Ara, den blepw to logo gia ton opoio xreiazetai na epanelqw. Ejalloy, oloi apodexqhkame oti qa thrhsoyme th deontologia kai den qa dhmosieyqoyn dhmoskophseis, tis teleytaies dyo ebdomades. Apo oles tis pleyres akoysthke ayto kai qelw na pisteyw oti ayth h idiaitera swsth deontologikh parathrhsh qa thrhqei apo oloys mas. Edw, omws, prokyptei ena allo qema, to opoio ajizei na to sxoliasoyme: Prin apo ligo xroniko diasthma eixa epishmanei oti yparxei anagkh neoy qesmikoy plaisioy gia tis dhmoskophseis kai tis metrhseis. Xairomai, dioti kai o ekproswpos Typoy ths N.D. diapistwse xqes, me anakoinwsh toy, th sxetikh anagkh. Pragmati, emeis kaname mia parathrhsh xqes. Qelw na sas qymisw oti polles parathrhseis, tis opoies den yioqetw, eixan akoystei kai apo thn pleyra ths N.D. Kai perysi to Noembrio eixame mia tetoia parembash kai fetos, telos Aygoystoy. An xreiastei, qa tis anaferw, tis exw sth diaqesh sas. Gia na mporoyme, omws, telika na mhn exoyme tetoies parembaseis kai h koinh gnwmh na einai hsyxh oti ayta poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas ypakoyoyn se sygkekrimenoys kanones, pisteyw oti einai wra na doyme thn anagkaiothta mias qesmikhs parembashs. Bebaiws, gia na ginei ayto qa prohghqei dialogos me oloys toys endiaferomenoys, wste na epidiwxqei h synainesh olwn twn politikwn kommatwn.

Ti qa prepei na afora ayto to neo nomoqetiko plaisio; Tria zhthmata einai ta pio shmantika:

To prwto, afora to nomiko kaqestws twn idiwn twn etairiwn. Milw gia zhthmata poy syndeontai me th diafaneia toys kai orismena asymbibasta poy prepei na syzhthsoyme.

To deytero megalo zhthma, afora th dienergeia twn dhmoskophsewn. Edw, qa prepei na doyme kanones deontologias kai praktikes, oi opoies qa prepei na throyntai apo oloys.

Kai to trito, afora th systash anejarthtoy organoy elegxoy twn dhmoskophsewn kai twn kanonwn, to opoio den mporei na einai mono ypo th dikh mas eyqynh, dioti, qa egerqoyn kaqe morfhs amfisbhthseis. Prepei na ginei ayto me enan apodekto tropo. Na symmetexoyn, dhladh, oloi oi endiaferomenoi, oi enwseis toys kai na mporoyme na eimaste oloi bebaioi oti ayto to organo kanei swsta kai ajiokratika th doyleia toy.

Epeidh, omws, sthn Ellada xreiazetai na paroysiaseis kai sygkekrimenes apoceis, na eiste bebaioi oti mexri tis arxes Noembrioy -to epejergazomaste, hdh, edw kai arketo kairo- qa paroysiasoyme thn arxh enos tetoioy plaisioy dialogoy. Qa syzhthsoyme kai me toys endiaferomenoys kai me ta politika kommata kai qelw na pisteyw oti se kaqe periptwsh, mesa stoys epomenoys mhnes, qa mporesoyme, ws apotelesma aytoy toy dialogoy, na feroyme ena plaisio sth Boylh pros chfish, to opoio na sygkentrwnei thn eyryterh dynath pleiochfia gia na stamathsei ayth h istoria poy synexws epanalambanetai. Dhladh, eite na exoyme parabiash twn kanonwn deontologias, eite na ginontai sxolia ta opoia kaqe fora erxontai na shmeiwsoyn orismena pragmata, dikaiologhmena h mh kai na qesoyn en amfibolw olh ayth thn ypoqesh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ti akribws enoxlhse thn kybernhsh proxqes kai proebh se ayto edw to sxolio poy ekanan kai stelexh toy PASOK; Thn enoxlhse to idiokthsiako kaqestws ths etairias poy den htan gnwsto xqes kai yphrxe; Thn enoxlhse oti h N.D. paraggeile mia dhmoskophsh kai th dhmosiopoihse otan hqele h thn enoxlhse, as poyme, oti ta stoixeia den htan akribh, opws lete eseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: H gynaika toy Kaisara den ftanei na einai timia otan einai, alla qa prepei na deixnei kai timia. To eipa kai xqes, to epanalambanw kai shmera: Otan mia etairia dhmoskophsewn exei syggeneia me thn etairia poy kanei thn proeklogikh kampania ths N.D., dhmioyrgeitai ena zhthma. Idiaitera otan exoyme jafnika mia dhmoskophsh gia tis boyleytikes ekloges, dyo ebdomades prin apo tis ekloges gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Dhladh, mia dhmoskophsh gia ena teleiws asxeto zhthma.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Giati, ayta den ta legate apo prin; Na peite oti h tade etairia exei analabei thn proeklogikh ekstrateia ths N.D. kai oi dhmoskophseis den einai...

PRWTOPAPAS: Emeis den qeloyme na antidikoyme me tis etairies. Qeloyme na ginontai swsta oi dhmoskophseis kai oi metrhseis. Ara, efoson oloi dexomaste oti yparxei h anagkh enos neoy plaisioy, xairomai idiaiterws poy qa ginei. Elpizw h N.D., opws kai ta alla politika kommata kai oi foreis, kalopista na syzhthsoyn mazi mas panw stis arxes poy qa qesoyme gia th dhmioyrgia aytoy toy plaisioy. Den protiqemeqa na aifnidiasoyme kanenan, oyte na kanoyme kamia monomerh energeia. Omws, h syzhthsh ayth qa prepei na anoijei.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy den phrame apanthsh. Oi polites, oi dhmosiografoi na pisteyoyn h oxi tis dhmoskophseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Orismenes apanthseis, ek twn pragmatwn, exoyn doqei apo thn olh syzhthsh poy egine. Qa prepei telika oloi na problhmatistoyme. Exw sto grafeio moy dyo anakoinwseis toy k. Roysopoyloy. H mia einai apo perysi to Noembrio kai afora mia dhmoskophsh poy eixe paraggeilei to PASOK kai h allh einai fetinh, toy Aygoystoy kai afora mia dhmoskophsh poy ekane h kratikh radiothleorash. An qelete, prosqeste kai th xqesinh moy dhlwsh. Mono ayto to gegonos -kai den epixeirw na rijw se kanenan adiko h dikio- qetei epi taphtos to qema ths syzhthshs enos koina apodektoy plaisioy. Ean telika sthn Ellada kapoy prepei na symfwnoyme, idoy pedio dojhs lampro, na to kanoyme.

MIXAHL: An qymamai kala apo thn prohgoymenh syzhthsh poy eixe prokycei pali ligo prin h meta to Pasxa, se ayth thn prwtoboylia sas gia thn anagkh enos neoy plaisioy, den eixate symperilabei mono tis etairies dhmoskophsewn, alla kai tis thlemetrhseis kai pantos alloy typoy metrhseis ths koinhs gnwmhs. Sthn twrinh prwtoboylia symperilambanetai kai ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ergazomaste, hdh, gia ola ayta ta qemata. Aplws, mas phre perissotero xrono, apo o,ti arxikws ypologizame, dioti einai poly sobaro kai dyskolo to egxeirhma ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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