Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-09-10

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Septembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KAPPOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pera apo to metwpo ths tromokratias, qa mporoysate na mas peite ti ginetai me to metwpo ths tromokratias twn ergatikwn atyxhmatwn; Dioti, apo o,ti fainetai tis teleytaies toylaxiston meres, pera apo to diarkes metwpo, shmera eixame ena poly sobaro atyxhma sth Motor Oil, proxqes eixame sthn Ptolemaida...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta ergatika atyxhmata einai mia poly sobarh ypoqesh. Gi` ayto sas parakalw na ta antimetwpizoyme me sebasmo, giati exoyme anqrwpina qymata. Epomenws, an to erwthma sas einai, ti ginetai me ayta, opws gnwrizete yparxei to ergatiko atyxhma ths DEH sth Megalopolh, kaqws kai to ergatiko atyxhma sth Motor Oil. Dystyxws kai stis dyo aytes periptwseis qrhnoyme anqrwpina qymata. Exei epilhfqei amesws h Epiqewrhsh Ergasias, kaqws kai oles oi armodies arxes. Yparxoyn shmerines sxetikes dhlwseis gia to qema ths DEH toy armodioy Genikoy Grammatea gia to xwro ths Energeias k. Agrafiwth, stis opoies sas parapempw.

Oson afora to qema ths Motor Oil, amesws epilhfqhke h Epiqewrhsh Ergasias. Ayth th stigmh, briskontai ekei treis eidikoi epiqewrhtes ergasias kai prokeitai, opws kai sthn periptwsh ths DEH, na ginei elegxos se baqos kai na katalogistoyn, an yparxoyn, oi opoies eyqynes. Se kanenan den epitrepetai na paizei me anqrwpines zwes. Prepei na sas pw oti den arkei h katastolh, alla xreiazetai kai h prolhch. To etos 2002, ej oswn exw plhroforhqei apo to Geniko Grammatea toy Swmatos Epiqewrhtwn Xronh Polyxronioy, exoyn ginei eji prolhptikoi elegxoi sto xwro ths Motor Oil. Dhladh, den ginetai ek twn ysterwn o elegxos toy Swmatos twn Epiqewrhtwn, exei ginei kai ek twn proterwn. Opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh phre thn eyqynh kai dhmioyrghse me nomo to Swma Epiqewrhtwn Ergasias, poy einai enas idiaitera prwtoporiakos kai apotelesmatikos qesmos sthn patrida mas. To Swma ayto exei stelexwqei plhrws. Eginan proslhceis mesa sto 2001 gia th stelexwsh toy me episthmones, oi opoioi perasan apo eidikh ekpaideysh. To Swma ayto mporei shmera kai antapokrinetai sta kaqhkonta toy, toso gia ton katalogismo eyqynwn, opoy yparxoyn, oso kai gia thn prolhch, poy einai -qa elega- to kyrio ergo mas ston tomea ths ygieinhs kai ths asfaleias. Xarh sth doyleia poy exoyme kanei, bebaiws exoyn meiwqei se shmantiko baqmo ta ergatika atyxhmata. Omws, dystyxws, ginontai akoma kai yparxoyn anqrwpina qymata. Ara, h doyleia mas prepei na synexistei me thn idia apotelesmatikothta kai entash kai panta me thn aisqhsh oti h anqrwpinh zwh einai to polytimotero pragma apo ola.

KARGOYDH: Exete ypoch sas ena boyleyma poy dhmosieyei h "Apogeymatinh", sxetika me thn ypoqesh toy "Samina", sto opoio periorizetai o ariqmos twn ypeyqynwn, alla kai to eidos twn atyxhmatwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw dei to sygkekrimeno boyleyma, alla den mporw na sxoliasw boyleymata ths Dikaiosynhs. Gnwrizete oti doqhke apo thn arxh entolh -ayth htan kai h qelhsh ths kybernhshs- gia thn epitaxynsh aytwn twn ereynwn. Malista, opws gnwrizete, chfisthke kai eidikh diatajh, logw ths opoias epitaxynqhkan idiaitera oi ereynes se oles tis periptwseis. Prosfata egine h dikh toy Falcon kai epitaxynqhkan oi ereynes gia thn ypoqesh toy "Samina", mia idiaitera sobarh kai dysaresth ypoqesh gia to synolo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Oi ereynes, loipon, synexizontai kai qa synexistoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, den mporw na prokaqorisw to apotelesma twn ereynwn, oyte tis energeies ths Dikaiosynhs. Ypoxrewsh ths Politeias einai na dwsei th dynatothta stis armodies arxes na kanoyn swsta th doyleia toys kai na diasfalisei tis proypoqeseis, wste ayth h doyleia na ginei kai swsta kai grhgora. Ayto to kanoyme. Alla, den qa metablhqoyme se dikastes. Proqesh mas einai na apodoqei dikaiosynh kai na katalogistoyn oi eyqynes, opoy yparxoyn.

LATISSEB: Enocei ths prwths epeteioy twn tragikwn gegonotwn ths 11hs Septembrioy, mporeite na mas sxoliasete poso apotelesmatika leitoyrgei o antitromokratikos synaspismos kai poios einai o rolos ths Rwsias se ayto to zhthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayrio, exoyme th mayrh epeteio ths 11hs Septembrioy kai gia to qema ayto qa yparxei kai eidikh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith. Ayto poy qelw na tonisw einai oti kybernhtika stelexh qa parastoyn se oles tis ekdhlwseis mnhmhs poy qa ginoyn sthn Ellada. Opws gnwrizete, ayrio to prwi, qa yparjei eidikh ekdhlwsh mnhmhs sthn Amerikanikh Presbeia kai to brady, sto Megaro Moysikhs, qa ginei ekdhlwsh me paroysiash ylikoy apo thn tromokratikh epiqesh kai thn katastrofh poy akoloyqhse. Pros to paron, den qelw na prosqesw tipote allo, dioti qa yparjei se ligh wra h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ARGYROS: Kati diadikastiko: Sthn Amerikanikh Presbeia, poios qa ekproswphsei thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa yparxei paroysia mias seiras ypoyrgwn sto xwro ths dehshs, ayrio to prwi. To apogeyma, qa yparjoyn omilies apo toys ypoyrgoys Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh, Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh kai ton yfypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giannh Magkriwth, dioti, opws gnwrizete, o Giwrgos Papandreoy brisketai stis HPA, opoy qa exei seira epafwn gia thn prowqhsh twn eqnikwn qematwn mas.

KAPPOS: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs ths Elladas, mias xwras poy symmetexei sthn Europol, enanti eggrafoy aytoy toy Dieqnoys Eyrwpaikoy Astynomikoy Organismoy, to opoio ferei ton titlo "Eyrwpaikes beltistes praktikes gia to xeirismo twn plhroforiodotwn" kai metajy allwn problepei oti enas plhroforiodoths epitrepetai akomh kai na symmetasxei se egklhma, to opoio alloi hdh protiqentai na diaprajoyn. Ayto to eggrafo, hdh, exei dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den protiqemai na sxoliazw eggrafa astynomikwn arxwn, eite aytes einai dieqneis, eite allwn xwrwn. Ayth th stigmh, sthn Ellada yparxei mia safhs nomoqesia kai ayth threitai, opws perigrafetai stoys nomoys, toys kwdikes kai tis diatajeis.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh sth sygkekrimenh anafora ginetai logos oti aytes einai apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei sto plaisio syskecewn twn "15", qa hqela na rwthsw, to baqmo symmetoxhs ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs se aytes tis diergasies kai an den yparxei symmetoxh, ean einai ceydhs ayth h anafora ths Europol.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, milate gia diarroes kai oxi gia epishmes anakoinwseis. Deyteron, sta symboylia poy ginontai sto plaisio twn "15", lambanontai kai kapoies genikes apofaseis. Den katartizontai diatajeis gia to pws ginontai oi epimeroys xeirismoi. Yparxoyn kapoies qeseis ths Europol, alla apo ekei kai pera, yparxei h ellhnikh nomoqesia, h opoia einai safhs kai me bash aythn eginan oi syllhceis, oi anakriseis kai olh h diadikasia, gia paradeigma, gyrw apo thn tromokratikh organwsh ths 17N sthn Ellada. Exoyme th bebaiothta oti o sebasmos sta dikaiwmata toy polith, stis dhmokratikes arxes kai to kratos Dikaioy, epikrathse apolyta kai se ayth thn istoria. Ayto poy qelw na jekaqarisw einai oti den yparxei kanenas logos na mh leitoyrghsoyn opws einai aytes oi diatajeis kai oi nomoi poy exoyn apodeixqei idiaitera apotelesmatikoi. Sto plaisio, bebaiws, twn dieqnwn synergasiwn mporei na anaptyssontai apoceis, alla sas eipa pws kinoymaste sthn Ellada.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Exei symmetasxei, stis apofaseis poy exei parei h Europol, ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Edw miloyme gia politikes apofaseis kai oxi me poion akribws tropo, sto plaisio twn nomwn mas, h Astynomia qa kanei th doyleia ths. Gia ta eidika zhthmata poy syndeontai me tis astynomikes arxes, rwthste ton ekproswpo ths EL.AS. Den mporw na gnwrizw me poion tropo ginetai o xeirismos mias plhroforias. Ayto poy gnwrizw -kai sas diabebaiwnw politika gi` ayto- einai oti sthn Ellada yparxoyn safeis nomoi, diatajeis, kwdikes, poy throyntai apolyta kai den blepw ayth th stigmh na yparxei sygkekrimenos logos allaghs toys. Den sas arkei politika ayto; Kinoymaste apolyta mesa sto kratos Dikaioy, toy sebasmoy ths proswpikothtas kai twn dikaiwmatwn twn kathgoroymenwn. Dioti, ayth einai h Dhmokratia mas kai kamarwnoyme gi` ayth. Oson afora ta eidika zhthmata poy sxetizontai me ton tropo leitoyrgias twn astynomikwn arxwn, yparxei o ekproswpos ths EL.AS.

ARGYROS: Exei zhthqei apo tis astynomikes arxes h apelash ths kas Kortez;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei fqasei se mena kati tetoio. Qa rwthsw kai qa sas apanthsw.

MIXAHL: Xqes, otan rwthqhkate ean ta osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh apoteloyn ena eidos atypoy, idiotypoy dialogoy me toys syllhfqentes ths 17N kai toys isxyrismoys twn synhgorwn toys, eipate oti den qa anoijete dialogo mazi toys kai oti den yparxei tetoia diastash. Wstoso, qa hqela na moy peite pia, ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, pws ermhneyete tis prospaqeies na politikopoihqei h dikh, na doqei mia axlh, mesa apo diafores diadikasies, aithmata k.lp., politikhs dikhs kai ean h kybernhsh -anejarthta toy ti qa kanei h dikaiosynh- dexetai oti ola ayta qa kriqoyn sto epipedo ths dikaiosynhs kai mono.

GARGALAKOS: Sygnwmh gia thn parembash, alla qa hqela symplhrwtika na rwthsw: Diamorfwnetai kai ena klima, mia proqesh na dhmioyrghqei ena ``kinhma politikhs symparastashs'' stoys egkleistoys toy Korydalloy apo orismenoys xwroys, malista, yparxoyn kai sxetikes dhlwseis enos-dyo ekproswpwn aytwn twn xwrwn. Ena tetoio endexomeno den anhsyxei thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Piqanon kai ayto na to doyme... Thn kybernhsh den thn anhsyxoyn tetoia endexomena. O kaqenas einai eleyqeros na exei tis apoceis toy. Ean me rwthsete poia einai h dikh mas apoch, thn exw pei, qa sas thn epanalabw. Oi anqrwpoi aytoi einai tromokrates. Einai kai dolofonoi kai lhstes trapezwn. Toylaxiston, ayto exei prokycei apo thn anakrish. Einai anqrwpoi poy talaipwrhsan thn koinwnia kai th xwra mas, kata periodoys o kaqenas, alla synolika gia 27 xronia. Den yparxei, kata th gnwmh mas, kanena elafryntiko gia thn tromokratia. Den yparxei epiklhsh kamias ideologias. Oi anqrwpoi aytoi fysika den einai aristeroi. Giati h ennoia ``aristeros'' kai h ennoia ``dhmokratia'' einai ennoies poy symbadizoyn. Oi tromokrates den exoyn kamia sxesh me th dhmokratia, ara den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn aristera kai me tis arxes toy kratoys dikaioy kai tis dynameis tis koinwnias mas. Ayth einai h qesh mas. Qelw na tonisw oti edw zhtoyme kai perimenoyme th qetikh topoqethsh olwn twn politikwn kommatwn, poy exoyn enan idiaitera barynonta rolo, na symballoyn se ayth mas thn prospaqeia. Den anhsyxoyme, loipon, giati o ellhnikos laos kai gnwsh kai mnhmh exei. O ellhnikos laos exei katalhjei se orismena zhthmata, parakoloyqei ta osa ejelissontai aytes tis hmeres kai exei katalabei polla. Kaneis, poy epixeirei na sthsei parastash, den prokeitai na ton peisei. O ellhnikos laos gnwrizei oti h tromokratia prepei na jerizwqei. Gnwrizei oti oi tromokrates den einai koinwnikoi agwnistes, oyte ideologoi, oyte aristeroi einai. Gnwrizei oti oi tromokrates einai poly pio konta, apo oso pote, sto koino egklhma.

GARGALAKOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws mas exete proanaggeilei, jekina episkeceis se olympiaka erga kai se olympiakes poleis, kata kapoio tropo. Mhpws mporeite na mas jekaqarisete poia einai h politikh stoxeysh aytwn twn episkecewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. Ayth th stigmh ginetai mia pragmatika terastia prospaqeia sth xwra mas gia thn proetoimasia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004, poy einai mia megalh eqnikh ypoqesh. Olh h Ellada, oloi oi Ellhnes prepei na symbaloyn sthn epityxh pragmatopoihsh ths. Einai mia eqnikh ypoqesh poy exei na kanei kai me ta erga, alla oxi mono me ayta. Exei na kanei me th strateysh toy kaqe Ellhna sthn prospaqeia na dwsoyme ena mhnyma twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, ena mhnyma ths epityxias, ths eirhnhs, ths synadelfwshs, ths eygenoys amillas, prowqwntas, bebaiws, kai to stoxo ths Olympiakhs Ekexeirias. Me tis episkeceis toy se mia seira olympiaka erga, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei thn eykairia na anadeijei thn eparkeia ths proetoimasias mas, na symbalei sthn anadeijh aytoy toy terastioy ergoy, poy shmera pragmatopoieitai kai bebaiws na anaferqei sta pollapla politika mhnymata twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn probolh aytwn twn idewn, ths eirhnhs, ths amillas kai ths synadelfwshs twn lawn. Kai bebaiws, exoyn na kanoyn me th dieqnh probolh kai anabaqmish ths xwras mas, se olo ton kosmo.

MIXAHL: Dystyxws, apo xqes to prwi sto ``zapingk'', poy synhqws kanoyn oloi oi Ellhnes, den mporoyn na doyn ena kanali, to TEMRO. Sas afora ws ypoyrgo Typoy. Ti ginetai, ekleise , to kanali; Ti qa kanete me ton k. Androylidakh;

PRWTOPAPAS: To erwthma sas, oson afora thn adeia toy staqmoy, prepei na apeyqynqei sto ESR.

MIXAHL: Yparxei kati poy afora esas, omws...

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas pw gi` ayto. Omws, to qema ths leitoyrgias twn kanaliwn syndeetai me to rolo toy ESR. Gnwrizete oti hdh perase apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph kai erxetai, nomizw shmera to apogeyma, sto Tmhma ths Boylhs, diatajh poy ekxwrei ta panta, gyrw apo thn adeiodothsh kai th leitoyrgia twn thleoptikwn staqmwn sto ESR.

IWANNOY: Katateqhke to nomosxedio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi to nomosxedio. Einai diatajh sto nomosxedio toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, h opoia exei chfistei, nomizw, apo ta tria ek twn tessarwn kommatwn ths Boylhs, me mia epifylajh ths N.D., h opoia elpizw sthn poreia me th syzhthsh poy qa ginei na anaireqei, giati pisteyw oti einai mia qetikh diatajh, poy prepei na einai koinhs apodoxhs. Exei perasei, loipon, apo thn Epitroph. Bebaiws, to Tmhma qa thn ejetasei, gi` ayto den yparxei kamia amfibolia. Alla, h diatajh exei perasei, arxizei apo shmera h syzhthsh sto Tmhma kai deixnei thn proqesh ths kybernhshs gia th sthrijh toy roloy kai ths leitoyrgias toy ESR ston tomea ayto. H kybernhsh den adeiodotei kai qa sthrijei thn prospaqeia toy ESR na elegjei swsta ta osa problepontai gia th leitoyrgia ths thleorashs kai toy radiofwnoy. Ypo ayth thn ennoia, h armodiothta gia ton elegxo ths katastashs sto TEMRO, anhkei sto ESR. Qelw na tonisw oti h kybernhsh den exei th dynatothta na afairei kai na dinei adeies. Bebaiws mas endiaferei to qema, bebaiws to parakoloyqoyme, ypo thn ennoia ths thrhshs ths ergatikhs nomoqesias. Qelw na sas qymisw oti yphrje prin apo merikes hmeres syllhch toy k. Androylidakh apo tis armodies arxes, bebaiws, me th diadikasia poy problepetai kai ton kaqorismo ths sxetikhs dikhs. Oson afora ta erwthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me ton elegxo ayths ths leitoyrgias, qa parakaloysa na apeyqynontai sto ESR. Gia ta zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me th thrhsh ths ergatikhs nomoqesias, opws gnwrizete, exoyme parembei dynamika.

KAPPOS: Pws einai dynato na exete parembei dynamika, otan eji mhnes meta oi ergazomenoi toy TEMRO ejakoloyqoyn na paramenoyn aplhrwtoi kai exoyn fqasei sto shmeio...

PRWTOPAPAS: Fylakh phge o anqrwpos. Den jerw ean to katalabate, alla o k. Androylidakhs synelhfqh.

KAPPOS: Synelhfqh aplws. Alla egw den eimai dikasths gia na krinw ean o k. Androylidakhs qa paei fylakh h oxi. Den anaferomai se ayto. Ayto poy lew einai oti epi eji mhnes synadelfoi paramenoyn aplhrwtoi kai exoyn fqasei sto shmeio...

PRWTOPAPAS: Rwtate ``ti kanei h kybernhsh'' kai ``ti kanei h kybernhsh''. Qa eprepe, omws, na gnwrizete th diadikasia. H diadikasia einai h ejhs: Oson afora toys aplhrwtoys ergazomenoys, h kybernhsh exei parembei, dioti sebetai toys kopoys toys kai thn anagkaiothta na ikanopoihqoyn ta osa orizontai stoys nomoys ths ergatikhs nomoqesias. O k. Androylidakhs synelhfqh, meta apo parembash ths Epiqewrhshs Ergasias, h opoia einai kratikh arxh. Ean apo kei kai pera, o dikasths prosdiorise dikasimo, einai apolytws sth dikaiodosia toy. Den qa ton krinw egw. O k. Androylidakhs exei parapemfqei se dikh, meta apo parembash kai mhnysh twn arxwn toy kratoys. Poia einai, dhladh, h adiaforia; Den katalabainw. Oson afora th leitoyrgia toy TEMRO, th dynatothta toy na exei h oxi adeia, einai armodio toy ESR. Exoyme Syntagma kai nomoys sthn Ellada. To Syntagma problepei oti gia tis adeies kai th leitoyrgia twn kanaliwn einai armodio to ESR. Ayto mporei na afairesei thn adeia toy TEMRO h na kanei otidhpote allo. Emeis ayto poy mporoyme na kanoyme -kai to kaname me syneidhsh ths eyqynhs mas apenanti stoys ergazomenoys- einai na thrhsoyme thn ergatikh nomoqesia. Gi` ayto to logo kai steilame ton k. Androylidakh ston Eisaggelea. Ean yparxei kapoia kalyterh protash, na thn akoysw.

GARGALAKOS: Meta th shmerinh syskech poy egine gia thn antimetwpish twn fysikwn katastrofwn, pisteyete oti den qa janazhsoyme ta gegonota poy zhsame me ton Khfiso; Giati yparxei agwnia, ekei stoys katoikoys...

PRWTOPAPAS: Aytos htan kai o skopos ths shmerinhs syskechs, h opoia egine gia dyo logoys: Prwton, gia na enisxyqoyn ola ta dynata metra, gia na mhn janazhsoyme ayta ta problhmata. Kai, deyteron, gia na epitaxynqoyn oles oi anagkaies diadikasies, wste h ejaggelia poy eixame kanei gia thn plhrh apozhmiwsh twn plhgentwn na ginei prajh. O k. Skandalidhs, mas enhmerwse prin ligo, gia to synolo twn shmerinwn apofasewn. Pragmatika mporoyme na eggyhqoyme oti oles oi dynates prospaqeies, gia na mhn janazhsoyme tetoia fainomena, qa ginoyn. Kai bebaiws, me poly grhgoro ryqmo kai xwris grafeiokratikes diadikasies, qa antapokriqoyme sthn eyqynh mas gia thn apotelesmatikh apozhmiwsh twn plhgentwn. Gia ta eidika qemata sas parapempw sto plhres keimeno twn anakoinwsewn toy k. Skandalidh.

IWANNOY: Metaferqhke h Politikh Prostasia se armodiothta ths kas Papandreoy, se allo ypoyrgeio; Gnwrizete kati;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den anaferetai tetoio pragma sthn topoqethsh toy k. Skandalidh. Kat` arxas, to oti egine topoqethsh apo ton k. Skandalidh, apanta apo mono toy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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